General Debate 21 July 2012

July 21st, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. iMP (2,422 comments) says:

    WHAT is it with UK comedians doing doco.s these days? The ones I can think of, off the top of my head…

    1. Stephen Fry (Blackadder) (Fry n Laurie)
    2. Griff Rhys-Jones (Smith & Jones)
    3. Paul Merton (my favourite doco)
    4. Michael Palin (Monty Python)
    5. Terry Jones (Monty Python)
    6. Adrian Edmondson (Young Ones)
    7. Terry Robinson (Blackadder)
    8. Joanna Lumley (Ab Fab)
    9. Hugh Laurie (see 1 above, is now “House” in US)
    10. Lenny Henry
    11. Caroline Quentin
    12. Billy Connolly
    13. David Jason (Del Boy, Only Fools & Horses)

    Interesting trend. Should be an Olympic sport; Brits might win something. ~ J.

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  2. Keeping Stock (10,443 comments) says:

    Great run by Nick Willis overnight; the fastest 1500m ever by a New Zealander. He seems to have timed his run perfectly for the Olympics.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/running-into-form.html

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  3. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    “Unemployed NZ’rs could have been doing this, but no, it doesn’t pay well enough to get off their backsides! Instead it takes immigrants who are willing to work to do it.”

    http://www.3news.co.nz/NZ-baby-formula-nabbed-by-3rd-party-exporters/tabid/817/articleID/261645/Default.aspx#ixzz21CIldAM5

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  4. Luke Mutton (247 comments) says:

    It seems as though god is once again angry with Americans and has had to show it with the murder of 14 people in a cinema.

    And right on cue, out comes the Tea Party stupid. Apparently it is attacks on Christianity that gets god all pissed off and red mist in the eyes.

    Watch it here, you’ll be able to see the stupidity from Sarah Palin’s porch

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwqe0lNnUqI

    And that is an American congressman. From Texas.

    Arsehole.

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  5. Manolo (14,086 comments) says:

    The face of a killer: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/7317232/Face-of-a-murder-accused-revealed

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  6. Manolo (14,086 comments) says:

    Luke, your hatred of America is bigger than your sanity. Standard behaviour for a Labour Party member, I guess.

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  7. Luke Mutton (247 comments) says:

    Ah, manolo, where is my “hatred for america”? It is hatred for stupid, which generally seems to mean tea partiers and Texans.

    My sympathies are for those who have lost loved ones, who have been injured in these attacks. My contempt is for the moron who did the shooting and the arsehole who claims to know god’s mind when he clearly doesn’t posses one of his own.

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  8. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    He’s got an evil looking face Manalo. But if I didn’t know what he had done I would probably interpret it differently.

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  9. mikenmild (11,794 comments) says:

    Well said Luke. What is it about some people that they have to push some nutty religious agenda after such a gross tragedy?

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  10. Archer (216 comments) says:

    iMP, we seem to have the same problem here, but we don’t limit it to comedians, we include former newsreaders and rugby players. We should just be thankful most of them are limited to single 1-hour shows rather than whole series.

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  11. mikenmild (11,794 comments) says:

    Here’s a story about how people jump on incidents like this for their own ends:
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2012/07/20/politicizing_the_tragedy.html

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  12. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    “In New York Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly, who said he had been briefed on the case, said the suspect had dyed his hair red and told police after his arrest that he was the Joker, one of Batman’s most famous opponents.”

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  13. Rufus (677 comments) says:

    You know any Texans Luke?

    Ever lived and worked in America?

    I have. On the whole, I found them not much different than any other westerners. Yes, some are stupid, some are loud, some are idiots – but you can find those anywhere – from personal experience, the UK has plenty, as does Holland, Germany, France, Aussie, hey, they can even be found right here on Kiwiblog.

    The majority of Americans I came into contact with when I lived there were very polite, friendly, patriotic, generous, and good fun to live and work with.

    Nice way to push your little hate-filled barrow in the wake of such a horrible crime.

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  14. peterwn (3,314 comments) says:

    “Family to be evicted by HNZ after injured mum loses job”
    This headline screams out on page A6 of this morning’s Dom Post (but the story is not on ‘Stuff’).
    Bare facts:
    Mother of 8 – main breadwinner – injured at work.
    Employer (‘Accredited ACC employer’) suspends her on no pay while investigating ACC claim – taken 8 weeks so far.
    Has not got money to pay rent – Housing NZ served her with eviction notice – has patchy rent payment record.

    Cynically, I suspect story was fed in by left wing sources and some material facts have been omitted.

    The Dom-Post journos IMO could have some more investigative journalism here. For example:
    1. I thought ACC operated fairly seamlessly so one got at least 80% of pay in a ‘seamless’ manner. Journo could have investigated and commented on this. Is there in fact a possible ACC payment ‘gap’ and is the cause the way rules are framed or ACC and/ort employer not abiding by the law.
    2. If regular wages cease through no ‘fault’ of the employee, what are WINZ welfare entitlements and timing? What stand-down periods apply? Was she not entitled to a benefit because she may get ACC money. Could not WINZ give her a benefit subject to ‘claw back’ if and when
    3. Regardless of alleged rent ‘delinquencies’ did Housing NZ review her rental level in light of changed employment circumstances, or did it assume that as ACC payments were probably pending, the rent level stayed the same. Note that for low income people, rent ‘subsidisation’ is arranged by Housing NZ for its tenants, and by WINZ’s accommodation supplement for non HNZ tenants.
    4. What efforts did the employee take to seek assistance (presumably she did via the union or political party).

    On the face of it the following would happen:
    1. She and the kids will be evicted.
    2. CYPS will take the kids and put them in foster care.
    3. She will be left to hang out and dry.
    (in the 1980’s there was a British TV documentary called ‘Home Alone’ – I cannot find an internet reference – about a low income family who were evicted from a slum by the council because it was not up to scratch – and to cut a long story short the family split up completely with the kids in care).

    However if story does ‘stack up’ at face value, then there seems a serious breakdown of Government inter-agency coordination. In particular the ACC situation provides one almighty big club for the left wing to hit the government with for any further ACC devolution attempts.

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  15. Rufus (677 comments) says:

    Oh non-partisan Mikenmild, try this – http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/07/20/It-Begins-ABC-Ross-Stephanolpoulos-Point-to-Tea-Party-for-Dark-Knight-Shooting

    The bodies aren’t cold yet and the smearing has already begun. Shameless.

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  16. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    Who is profiting from the ETS?

    In short, not the environment.
    The ones profiting from the ETS are the big oil companies such as Shell, Exxon and BP and the prophets of environmental doom such as Gore and Strong.

    Who is the Chairman of the “International Emissions Trading Association?

    None other than David Hone, the senior climate change adviser for the Shell CO2 team……..

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sponsored/earth/the-age-of-energy/contributors/9124144/David-Hone-profile.html

    James Smith, chairman of UK Shell Oil and Tony Hayward, Group Chief Executive, British Petroleum were of course two of the biggest proponents of the ETS.
    Exxon Mobil chief executive Rex Tillerson was also pushing for a direct tax on carbon dioxide emissions.
    The big oil companies are not concerned about a carbon tax eating into their profits because they know they won’t have to pay it – the tab will be picked up by the ignorant taxpayer at the fuel pump at an inflated cost which if anything will hand the oil cartels an even bigger cut.

    “Greenies” and “environmentalists” like Al Gore and Maurice Strong, run their own the very carbon trading systems and are trying to screw the tax payer from the other side.

    Everybody knows that Strong served as a commissioner of the World Commission on Environment and Development and is hailed as a leader in the international environmental movement. He also was involved in the most corrupt organisation on the planet, the UN, as Secretary General of the United Nations Conference on the Human Environment. Afterwards he landed himself the job as the first Executive Director of the United Nations Environment Programme.
    Before he “saw the light” he was an entrepreneur in the Alberta oil patch and was president of Power Corporation of Canada. He was also the Chief Executive Officer of Petro-Canada and headed Ontario Hydro, one of North America’s largest power utilities.
    As for Gore, this hypocrite has been exposed several times over.

    Why are people still surprised to hear that many of the grants supporting ‘Universities’ and scientists are coming from oil companies? Even “environmental organisations” are backed by oil money such as the “Gulf of Mexico Foundation”

    It is still true that ‘a sucker is born every minute’ and the ‘snake oil merchants’ using the ETS are getting rich on the backs of the gullible ‘believers’ and the taxpayers.

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  17. Jimmy Smits (246 comments) says:

    mikenmild (5,178) Says:
    July 21st, 2012 at 9:02 am

    Well said Luke. What is it about some people that they have to push some nutty religious agenda after such a gross tragedy?

    mikenmild (5,178) Says:
    July 21st, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Here’s a story about how people jump on incidents like this for their own ends:
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2012/07/20/politicizing_the_tragedy.html

    The irony is that this General Debate thread could have began with a discussion about the tragedy and the facts and condolences for the families etc… Instead you and Luke decided to hijack it to suit your political purposes in attacking your political opponents, detracting the tragedy from the incident which is still being revealed, and instead using it as a platform to attack the Tea Party. Pathetic.

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  18. peterwn (3,314 comments) says:

    see:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7320603/Bus-drivers-fear-more-bloodshed

    In the old days, when Wellington City Council had its own traffic cops, it is more than likely that a few would have been employed to clobber jay walkers. They would have been hampered by the inability to impose instant fines – each case had to go to court then, but a handful of cases would have made the point.

    Now the police have previously said that policing pedestrians in Willis and Manners Street would be a futile exercise. Hence there is no sanctions against jaywalkers except risk to life and limb. Surely pedestrian policing in such circumstances is just as important as road traffic policing – and would be legitimate use of the policing budget provided by Transport Authority of NZ.

    If the Government does allow ACC to clobber the Council (ie the long suffering ratepayer) over this, then surely the Government should give the Council any appropriate law change and policing powers to enable it to tackle the problem. The Council should fight back at the ACC by immediatelt promoting a ‘private’ bill seeking such powers – if only to open up discussion on such matters.

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  19. Fletch (6,502 comments) says:

    Rufus (439) Says:
    July 21st, 2012 at 9:16 am
    Oh non-partisan Mikenmild, try this – http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/07/20/It-Begins-ABC-Ross-Stephanolpoulos-Point-to-Tea-Party-for-Dark-Knight-Shooting

    The bodies aren’t cold yet and the smearing has already begun. Shameless.

    Yup, turns out the guy had nothing to do with the Tea Party, and ABC and Ross had to apologize.
    The guy they fingered has had to turn off his phone because of hate calls.

    Breitbart News spoke to James Michael Holmes, the Tea Party member falsely identified this morning by ABC News’ Brian Ross and George Stephanopoulos on Good Morning America as the possible suspect in the mass shooting early this morning at a screening of the new Batman movie, The Dark Knight Rises. He is a 52-year-old Hispanic conservative who joined the Tea Party after becoming disillusioned with the Republican party.

    “It was freaky,” said Holmes, describing his reaction when ABC News speculated that he was the culprit who entered a crowded theater and opened fire on dozens of innocent men, women, and children. He disconnected his telephone and says that he is worried about members of his family who might be contacted by the media.

    Michelle Malkin reposts a column about the ‘Blame Righty’ impulse of the Left.
    http://michellemalkin.com/2012/07/20/blame-righty-impulse-blows-up-in-media-faces-again/

    Funny how the people doing this stuff invariably turn out to be Leftys.

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  20. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/7320048/Mass-shooting-at-Batman-premiere

    A 24 year old student.

    Good to see all the experienced investigators here solving the crime.

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  21. kowtow (8,784 comments) says:

    The usual suspects jump in at every American tragedy and blame the people they hate.
    NRA, Sarah Palin, Tea Party,and even Christians for goodness sake. They don’t seem to blame the actual nutter involved!

    Meanwhile all over the world massacres go unremarked by these bigots as they only care to hate America and Christians,and that is why I say they are bigots.Big bruv was first off the mark last night.

    Happy Ramadan.

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  22. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    @Rufus

    Luke despises people who like limited government, fiscal responsibility and self reliance.
    Luke stands for democracy, free speech and equality. That is, as long as they are not Republicans (Republican women are the worst), Tea Party members, Texans, Christians or other groups defined as “enemies of the state” by Luke’s ideology.

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  23. Luke Mutton (247 comments) says:

    kowtow, see my http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/07/general_debate_21_july_2012.html#comment-999158 above where I express my contempt for the murderer. As well as my contempt for the politician claiming to know god’s will actually caused this.

    @Fletch – my referencing Tea Party is not the killer, it is the arsehole politician in the video I linked above. I note that neither you or malkin seem to find his views abhorrent.

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  24. Fletch (6,502 comments) says:

    Luke, I hadn’t listened to your video – just did.
    Exactly what is wrong with what he is saying?

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  25. Luke Mutton (247 comments) says:

    Other_andy, Texan Republicans are not “enemies of the state”, they are enemies of humanity, of knowledge.

    In the you-can’t-make-up-this-stuff department, here’s what the Republican Party of Texas wrote into its 2012 platform as part of the section on education:

    “Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.”

    Yes, you read that right. The party opposes the teaching of “higher order thinking skills” because it believes the purpose is to challenge a student’s “fixed beliefs” and undermine “parental authority.”

    It opposes, among other things, early childhood education, sex education, and multicultural education, but supports “school subjects with emphasis on the Judeo-Christian principles upon which America was founded.”

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  26. Luke Mutton (247 comments) says:

    Fletch, if I need to explain it to you you are beyond redemption.

    Not a word of sympathy. Just a diatribe about some mythical attack on Christianity, a plug for MORE people to carry guns. In other words, the same fucked up shit we always see from Rethuglican Tea Partiers.

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  27. Fletch (6,502 comments) says:

    Luke, I don’t hear him saying anything of the sort re: Christianity. You’re taking his words (as will most of the Left) and putting your own Progressive spin on them.
    What I hear him saying is that society has turned its back on God and traditional Judeo-Christian values (the values of America’s Founders), and these are the types of outcomes we are seeing as a result. He wasn’t saying the shooter was attacking people because they were Christians, or attacking Christianity.

    As far as guns go – the guy is from Texas, what did you expect?
    He is saying the shooter may not have killed so many if someone else had had a weapon. This is probably true, but the idea of carrying guns is strange and foreign to us in NZ

    More spin from the Left.

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  28. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    ““Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.”

    …..
    That would apply to a Maori world view. The closed society and all that?

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  29. wat dabney (3,814 comments) says:

    What I hear him saying is that society has turned its back on God and traditional Judeo-Christian values, and these are the types of outcomes we are seeing as a result.

    Rather than drawing the rather more sane and obvious conclusion from such a massacre of innocents, which is that his magical space pixie doesn’t actually exist?

    Perhaps that was the point Luke was trying to make?

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  30. Fletch (6,502 comments) says:

    Rather than drawing the rather more sane and obvious conclusion from such a massacre of innocents, which is that his magical space pixie doesn’t actually exist?

    God doesn’t exist because bad things happen? Is that what you’re trying to say?
    Rather simplistic reasoning…

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  31. cha (4,085 comments) says:

    Oh noes, he might be a registered Democrat!.

    No, no he’s not.

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  32. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    @Luke

    “Other_andy, Texan Republicans are not “enemies of the state”, they are enemies of humanity, of knowledge.”

    I can see why the left wing blogosphere has had a ball with this. However, when you read the whole piece you will find they don’t actually oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills. Albeit very badly, they argue against “relativism” and “post modernism”. The statement is badly worded and deserves the ridicule.
    That aside, I think it is amusing to see some of those riling against people that don’t describe to the relativist viewpoint taking an almost religious non-relativist point of view on other issues.

    You do irony very well.
    If it wasn’t your intention when writing the comment….
    Even better.

    @WD

    “Rather than drawing the rather more sane and obvious conclusion from such a massacre of innocents, which is that his magical space pixie doesn’t actually exist?”

    Why don’t you leave the ‘sky fairy’ out of it and just look at the traditional Judeo-Christian values themselves?
    Don’t you agree that some the relativist ‘everything goes’, ‘if it itches, scratch it’ mentality breeds the moral relativism that causes problems?
    Why not keep some of traditional Judeo-Christian values or do you want to get rid of them because they are traditional Judeo-Christian values?

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  33. cha (4,085 comments) says:

    Ah ha!, he’s an Occupy Wall Street guy who’s the spawn of the ideology of the Democratic Party.

    http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/9841320223.html

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  34. cha (4,085 comments) says:

    Charlie Brooker’s Newswipe 25/03/09

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  35. Fletch (6,502 comments) says:

    1. Stephen Fry (Blackadder) (Fry n Laurie)
    2. Griff Rhys-Jones (Smith & Jones)
    3. Paul Merton (my favourite doco)
    4. Michael Palin (Monty Python)
    5. Terry Jones (Monty Python)
    6. Adrian Edmondson (Young Ones)
    7. Terry Robinson (Blackadder)
    8. Joanna Lumley (Ab Fab)
    9. Hugh Laurie (see 1 above, is now “House” in US)
    10. Lenny Henry
    11. Caroline Quentin
    12. Billy Connolly
    13. David Jason (Del Boy, Only Fools & Horses)

    @iMP 8.13am

    I still can’t think of Hugh Laurie as anything other than English for his characters like Bertie Wooster (in Jeeves and Wooster) and the Prince in Blackadder. I’ve tried to watch House but can’t really. Also, I think Joanna Lumley ruined my perception of her with Ab Fab. I was of an age when all young men fell in love with her, in her role as Sapphire in Sapphire and Steel.

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  36. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwqe0lNnUqI

    the link is the same as Luke mutton posted, just listened, Louie is a solid gold fuck wit.

    “Surely if someone had been carrying in the theatre this guy might have been stopped ”

    Can you imagine 30 people in the theatre with carry permits blazing away at movement after a smoke grenade had been thrown in. I would guess the death toll with have been doubled.

    I see that Whale was saying the same thing, time to get out of the fantasy world gentlemen

    And Louie being a fuck wit has nothing to do with thim being a ‘christian’ but everything to do with him being a stone idiot.

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  37. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    Hmm, so ABC is quick to blame the Tea Party, eh? Just like the lefties were busy blaming the right wing for the killings at Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords’ constituency, at least before it turned out the bloke was an insane left winger.

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  38. Fletch (6,502 comments) says:

    F E Smith, yep, the Left have a history of jumping the gun and blaming the right.
    They can’t help themselves.

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  39. Put it away (2,880 comments) says:

    The left making dishonest idiots of themselves yet again. Remember the feeding frenzy a few months back when a hispanic democrat shot a black in self defense, and somehow qualified as an evil white racist doing the bidding of the Republic party. Somehow. And lets not forget Sarah Palin’s mysterious telepathic ability to remote control a dope smoking dropout independent voter.

    Desperate stuff.

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  40. cha (4,085 comments) says:

    Lottsa crazy…

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2908690/posts

    another sweet young fresh-faced guy

    like Trayvon

    This one must be from before his OWS days

    My gaydar is going off…..

    Eyes too far apart…brown, souless eyes…definately a OWS retard whom’s only regret is not being able to pull the ballot handle for Communism in Nov by voting for Obama/Biden.

    They said he was part of the Occupy Black bloc….a VERY violent group of extremists.

    Obvious extreme facial surgery to cover up his muslim traits.

    Looks like exhibit A in a Penn State pedophile trial.

    Obama: “If I had a son, he’d look like…”

    If Baraq had married a white girl, he might have a son that looks like that…..

    He has a Jared Loughner smile.

    My Leftwingtardar is also ringing like crazy!

    One of Barry’s white boy friends probably has a kid that looks like that.

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  41. tom hunter (5,102 comments) says:

    Regarding ABC, and in particular their half-witted “journalist”, Brian Ross, I loved this commentary:

    When there’s breaking news, especially about terrorism and national security, ABC News’ Brian Ross is there. And under no circumstances should you listen to anything he says. His latest breathtakingly reckless report: Some Tea Party guy on the internet has the same name as the Dark Knight Rises shooter, so, you know, they have the same name. So there you go. Tea Party.

    As Mediaite has noted, not long after authorities released the shooter’s incredibly common name, James Holmes, Ross ran it through his extensive network of plugged-in sources (Google) and came up with this nugget, which he relayed, live on the air, to Good Morning America’s millions and millions of viewers:

    Brian Ross:
    There’s a Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colorado, page on the Colorado Tea Party site as well, talking about him joining the Tea Party last year. Now, we don’t know if this is the same Jim Holmes. But it’s Jim Holmes of Aurora, Colorado.

    OK then! There’s some guy on the internet with the same name. That is literally all Ross had—no other connection, not one reason to even remotely suspect that it’s the same Holmes. Just that there is a guy with that name, on the internet.

    Naturally Cha picked the guys at Brietbart who then did exactly the same with another Jim Holmes – because Brietbart is watched by millions of people, just like Good Morning America. I also like the following suggestion to the Jim Holmes slimed by Ross:

    If I were the Tea Party Holmes, I’d have my lawyer talking to ABC right now. My terms: Groveling apology to be repeated on at least two national newscasts, plus This Week and all Colorado affiliates. Plus $250K in damages. No apology by tonight, and the demand goes to $5 million. Oh, and guys, be sure to preserve all records, browser histories, etc. for litigation. . . .

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  42. Viking2 (11,579 comments) says:

    Len Brown opens National Party conference
    By Felix Marwick – NewstalkZB
    Saturday 21 July 2012 9:53AM

    There’s been a Labour tinge at the opening of the National Party conference in Auckland this morning…..

    Full Story »

    Quelle Surprise?

    The left inviting the left.
    http://www.telstraclear.co.nz/news/news-story.cfm?content_id=837603

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  43. Longknives (4,889 comments) says:

    Roll on the Olympics!

    http://thechive.com/2012/07/19/michelle-jenneke-and-her-sexy-pre-race-routine-set-my-heart-ablaze-video/

    You can keep Val Adams- Go Aussie Go!

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  44. cha (4,085 comments) says:

    Plenty of mad crazy to go around Tom. My pick is mental health gone unsupervised.

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  45. KevinH (1,236 comments) says:

    As you can all well imagine the shootings have created a storm of comment on the wires. Here is just a small sample:

    Between 1980 and 2008, 4,685 people died in 965 mass-murders, a Scripps-Howard study of FBI data revealed. Despite recent headline-grabbing incidents — such as Binghamton in 2009 and the Tucson shooting in 2011 that nearly killed for Rep. Gabrielle Giffords — group murders have remained close to the average of 20 a year for decades, according to USA Today.

    One-on-one violence also usually involves a small-caliber handgun while mass killers often opt for an semi-automatic weapons to kill as many as possible, Levin said. The amount of lives lost seizes our attention, magnifying their impact.

    Although a 19-year-high 47 percent of American adults report owning a gun, the firearm homicide rate has dipped remarkably. Gun murders sank from more than 10,000 in 2005 to 8,776 in 2010, and appeared to drop again in 2011, according to a recent FBI preliminary report.

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  46. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    What’s Billy Boy English on these days?

    Fresh from attacking public servants (No 1 on his wish list, of course, is “working for less”) and lauding the outflow of our best and brightest to Australia, now Mr Doom and Gloom is waxing lyrical (and ejaculating into his weetbix) about this current financial imbroglio lasting a generation!!

    Actually, I think he said something similar about the Asian “crisis” when he was a associate finance minister in Shipley’s government. We all know how long that one lasted – about 18 mths!

    The only factor stopping the current GFC from being a distant memory is politicians who are finding wish fulfillment everywhere they look.

    Will someone tell Billy Boy a nation is NOT a household, and what is good for a household can be very bad for a nation? It’s simple, really: if we (as a nation) all stop spending at the same time, our debt problem (as a nation) get worse and the bond vigilantes will arrive in force!

    Now is the time when, with interest rates at an all time low, and pension funds queuing up to give their money to safe havens, like us, when we should be building light rail and houses, house, houses.

    Oh, by the way, sure, God bless America – the land of the free (to die in a hail of bullets).

    And God bless the NRA!

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  47. Manolo (14,086 comments) says:

    Len Brown opens National Party conference

    Nothing unusual in comrade Len opening a conference of namby-pamby lefties. I’m sure they missed Helen, who was not available to deliver the key-note speech.

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  48. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Report: 110 African Americans Killed by Police, Security Guards and Vigilantes in 2012
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    A new report has found at least 110 African Americans have been killed by police, security guards and self-appointed vigilantes since the start of 2012. The group Malcolm X Grassroots Movement says African Americans were executed in “extrajudicial” killings at a rate of roughly one every 40 hours during the first six months of the year. Nearly half the victims were unarmed, while others were alleged to have “weapons” that included a cane and a toy gun. Racial profiling allegedly played a key role, with nearly 40 percent of police accounts citing “suspicious behavior or appearance” or traffic violations as the reason for attempting to detain the person they killed. New York, Texas and Florida were among the states with the highest number of killings. In Florida, where the unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin was shot to death by self-appointed neighborhood guard George Zimmerman, a dozen African Americans were killed.

    And George Zimmerman is a hero, right?

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  49. kowtow (8,784 comments) says:

    Luc

    Do me a favour and research how many negroe Americans have been shot by fellow negroes.You may include domestic violence and street robbery.

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  50. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    Oh glorious day. Went to town to get the groceries and empty the mailbox. Letter from JK addressed to me :)

    Anyway when I got home realised the old woodburner needed a cleanout.

    Got to protect the bottom of the old cast iron firebox before setting the next fire.

    Thanks JK. To hell with the fast broadband. (That I can’t get). Your letter saved me buying a new fireplace for another year!

    Your de Man!!! :)

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  51. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    “I’ve tried to watch House but can’t really”

    its one of the most revolting programmes on television..

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  52. Harriet (5,145 comments) says:

    Luc Hansen @

    “…..Oh, by the way, sure, God bless America – the land of the free (to die in a hail of bullets)….And God bless the NRA!…”

    I take it Luc that you would like to live in Banville NZ ?

    Well Luc, there is several million members of the NRA…and one nutter who is PROBABLY NOT a member shoots and kills a dozen people.

    So you should get used to walking everywhere because a youth in CH-CH DID run down some people and killed a girl several years ago.And there is only 4 million people who live in NZ. Cars should be banned according to your wisdom.

    You should also get ready to die in about 2 weeks Luc because some mothers in NZ have drowned their kids in the bath – and YOU want to ban water!

    Luc Hansen a totalatarian? :cool:

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  53. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    Luc Hansen just a pseudo totalitarian Harriet, easy to be one here in freedomsville.

    Just a moron really! :)

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  54. Viking2 (11,579 comments) says:

    Foreign students ripped off doing kiwifruit labour

    It’s a game of exploitation – on both sides.

    “I have been working for $9 [an hour] for the last 3 months and the contractor told me he will increase it to $10,” says a 19-year-old Indian student working illegally in a Bay of Plenty kiwifruit orchard.

    “But when I asked the contractor last time he said, ‘If you don’t want to work you can leave’. There are lots of students willing to work even for $8.”

    Apparently this rort is OK and Kiwi’s can’t get to do this because of our laws and registration in OUR system. $13.50 or nothing

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10821076

    Went to the asian food shop during the week. About 7.30 pm. Guess who “works” there?
    Why all the family of course and I don’t care about that BUT can an unemployed local get a job where they get paid nothing cause the Family get to keep the cash,)and plenty too, I would guess).

    Thanks John Key and Sue Bradford.

    NZ’s getting better. not fucking likely.

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  55. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    Can you employ folks as contractors V2 and pay them on crop picked?

    Probably not I guess otherwise we could pay Pollies the same way and the arseholes would have to busk for their fare home! :)

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  56. Put it away (2,880 comments) says:

    Luc, whatever Zimmerman is, he’s a Democrat. If you don’t like him, don’t get upset with anyone on the right.

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  57. princetipytoe (47 comments) says:

    Generosity greatly changes fortunes of bullied bus monitor

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/generosity-greatly-changes-fortunes-bullied-bus-monitor-143538981.html

    Stranger’s online campaign to fund a vacation for Klein also went viral.
    Instead of pledging the requested $5,000, donors have given nearly $700,000 to the drive, which ends at midnight Friday.

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  58. KevinH (1,236 comments) says:

    @Viking2
    Indian students are coming to New Zealand under false pretences as English language students or in phony business degree courses only to find work to send money back to India and also to work towards getting PR, Permanent Residency. These phony students will over time clog up our qualifications system as well as abuse the student loans system and immigration officials need to be more vigilant.
    I also heard on the wires last week that many of the Indian “students” have gone to Christchurch to look for work and that the Indian population of Christchurch is set to grow exponentially to 20% of Christchurch’s total population.

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  59. Harriet (5,145 comments) says:

    20%?

    350,000 divided by 5 = 70,000.

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  60. hj (7,067 comments) says:

    Notice how Luc Hansen slams America yet would have us embrace the closed society of Maoridum

    The open society is a concept originally developed[when?] by philosopher Henri Bergson and then by Austrian and British philosopher Karl Popper. In open societies, government is purported to be responsive and tolerant, and political mechanisms are said to be transparent and flexible. Advocates claim that it is opposed to closed society.

    The state in an open society would keep no secrets from itself in the public sense; it would be a non-authoritarian society in which all are trusted with the knowledge of all. Political freedoms and human rights are claimed as the foundation of an open society.[by whom?]

    Closed society claims to certain knowledge and ultimate truth lead to the attempted imposition of one version of reality*. Such a society is closed to freedom of thought. In contrast, in an open society each citizen needs to engage in critical thinking, which requires freedom of thought and expression and the cultural and legal institutions that can facilitate this.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_society

    *Maori world view.

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  61. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    Save the last bullet for yourselves Christchurchians when those 70,000 Indians overrun you! :)

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  62. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    V2

    Those same Indians are employed by Indian contractors who will be collecting a shit load more than $9 an hour off the orchard owner and $9 bucks isn’t bad when you pay no GST no income tax and you live 18 to a room.

    They’d get $100 plus a day and get to keep it all and it can’t be that bad as there are thoudands of them doing it.

    The sickening thing is if Dept of Labour hit the orchard the biggest fine is handed to the orchard owner who is meant to personally check every contractors employees paper work. Now iof our locals would work as hard as the Indians and the Chinese we would not have this problem

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  63. Harriet (5,145 comments) says:

    Jimmy Smits#

    “….Instead you[milkinmild] and Luke decided to hijack it to suit your political purposes in attacking your political opponents, detracting the tragedy from the incident which is still being revealed, and instead using it as a platform to attack the Tea Party. Pathetic…”

    Yep Jimmy….they never learn…..they just keep annoying……

    …….the Left walked all across Europe pushing everyones buttons….then had to shut up after they detonated the Breivik bomb……killing the next generation of annoyers.

    You’d think they would have finally learnt…..but no…..spin….spin….spin…

    I don’t care about their dead either :cool:

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  64. Pete George (23,688 comments) says:

    Another slippery slope argument.

    It’s not just the Government’s partial sale of state-owned companies that New Zealanders should be concerned about – a push for councils to privatise their revenue-generating assets is likely to be next, says Green Party local government spokesperson Eugenie Sage.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7323123/Asset-sales-just-the-start-says-Green-MP

    Imagine how slippery the slope will become if Greens get into power.

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  65. Scott Chris (6,177 comments) says:

    Yeah, tragedy about the Batman shootings. Their families and friends must be hurting like hell along with the families of the other, on average, 41 daily homicide victims in the USA who died in a less newsworthy fashion.

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  66. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    Anything that looks green and slippery should be sprayed with wet and forget PG. :)

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  67. Yvette (2,854 comments) says:

    – a push for councils to privatise their revenue-generating assets is likely to be next, says Green Party local government spokesperson Eugenie Sage.

    Who should worry too much – it could take them fucking centuries –

    The area of the Waikato riverbed under claim houses three Mighty River Power dams: Maraetai I, Maraetai II and Waipapa.
    They have been there for almost 70 years, which, Mr Cairns said, could mean back-rent or compensation …
    Prime Minister John Key has been staunch on his stance that no-one can own water but he was not sure about riverbeds.

    – if not millennia

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  68. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    Je t’aime quand vous obtenez Yvette en colère ! :)

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  69. Manolo (14,086 comments) says:

    The followers of the “religion of peace” will pay a hefty price: http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8502753/police-attempt-to-identify-bulgaria-bomber

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  70. Fletch (6,502 comments) says:

    Kim Dotcom’s song, ‘Mr President’. He seems to be dissing Obama and promoting the Occupy movement.

    Don’t think it’s very good, but it seems to have 7000 ‘likes’.
    I notice some shots in the video have the ‘3 News’ logo.

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  71. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    Hell the Bulgarian cops will have a problem eliminating this lot from their inquiries!

    http://www.outdoor-michigan.com/Famous_People.htm

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  72. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    Kim recognises a vindictive warmonger suffering from falling support when he sees one! :)

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  73. Yvette (2,854 comments) says:

    Vraiment, Johnboy?
    Hey, that was just mild ‘observation’ – and you don’t really want to see angry
    Il n’est pas attractif :-(

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  74. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    Tant que je suis toujours attrayante, c’est tout ce qui compte pour moi Yvette ! :)

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  75. kowtow (8,784 comments) says:

    Fletch
    John Campo was pushing his fat German friend very hard last night.Funny people these socialists, Campbell seems to love certain rich people ,if they appear a bit risque,or anti establishment.
    I suppose it does his ego some good.
    I love fatties theme though, “keep ze internet free……zo I can make shit loads of money!”

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  76. Manolo (14,086 comments) says:

    The fully-furnished boudoir is ready. Johnboy and Ivette just make your way quietly.

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  77. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    Does your fully-furnished boudoir allow pets Manolo? :)

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  78. Yvette (2,854 comments) says:

    Johnboy, who the hell is this Ivette person?
    After your tangle with barbed wire you have learnt nothing?

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  79. Manolo (14,086 comments) says:

    Pets of all kinds: from foxes to cats to Spanish flies to snakes, if you fancy them. The policies of the house are quite liberal.

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  80. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    Ah that’s Manolo who likes Ivette Yvette.

    I have always liked you! :)

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  81. Yvette (2,854 comments) says:

    Manolo – you may know a shoe or two, but the brain is at the other end of the body, and the heart nearer that too.
    Stick with your Spanish fly.

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  82. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    What have you caught with your Spanish Fly Manolo?

    I have always found that a Copper and Hair seems to do better! :)

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  83. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    De toute façon. Pourquoi avez-vous être ignorant me récemment Yvette ?

    Je suis totalement dévasté par votre attitude.

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  84. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    I see the UN has been dodging sanctions (and transparency) in having computer technology shipped to Iran and North Korea. And none other than Comrade Clark’s UNDP mob bankrolled the initiative.

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  85. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    She bankrolls cigarette companies too. A class traitor to whatever class she is sucking her cash from at the time! :)

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  86. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    Anyway she is a beautiful woman and I would give her a bit at the drop of a hat if I wasn’t enamoured of French ladies at the moment! :)

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  87. Viking2 (11,579 comments) says:

    Courts to become bi-lingual

    Posted at 2:51pm Saturday 21st Jul, 2012

    From Monday, July 23, Tauranga District Court staff will be making announcements in Maori and English as district courts around the country introduce bi-lingual greetings.

    Court registrars and attendants will open, adjourn and close sittings at the District, Family and Youth courts in both languages.

    New Zealand Law Society president Jonathan Temm says he’s surprised te reo Maori is only now being introduced, considering it had been an official language of New Zealand since 1987.

    More money and time wasted. As if the Court system isn’t already fucked up.

    8 weeks for a tenancy Tribuanl Hearing. 2 years for average stuff.

    http://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/28796-courts-to-become-bilingual.html

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  88. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    V2—— :) Can you see it now.

    Phew bro, your fucked and while youse is away youse whanau is being watched by the Fuzz for the buyers for the shit you pinched Bro! :)

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  89. kowtow (8,784 comments) says:

    I demand that sign language also be used, after all it is official too. English is not de jure legal so it should not be used.

    Mind you looking at crims coming and going from court on tv they regularly give us sign language,charming crowd.

    Aotearoa is now in the grip of incrementalist racism.

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  90. Reid (16,638 comments) says:

    You woulda thought the last thing Maori would have wanted is to hear the court opening announcements in their precious te reo.

    Maybe that’s why we’re doing it, because we know it’ll just piss em off.

    Tauranga’s the trial because it’s got all those old white people there who go along and knit while they watch the worthless native layabouts get sentenced, one after the other. They’re the one’s who suggested it, probably.

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  91. Yvette (2,854 comments) says:

    Johnboy, vous êtes toujours obsédé par le carré d’agneau – à mon nombre d’années, il ya de l’ironie, que le corps est plus qu’elle ne l’est vissé à visser
    Je ne veux pas de vous ignorer – Je suis désolé

    But Helen – did her face not sink a thousand ships?

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  92. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    Recently filmed in the town square of Tauranga. (Avert your eyes Yvette mon cherie, this may be to painful for you)!

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  93. Reid (16,638 comments) says:

    Re: Johnboy’s clip, does anyone have a fix or workaround for YouTube’s annoying behaviour which means it now pauses every few seconds while it rebuilds its buffer? Damn it’s annoying.

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  94. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    Quand je te vois sourire et savoir qu’il n’est pas pour moi, c’est quand je vous manquera le plus. :)

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  95. Yvette (2,854 comments) says:

    Avert your eyes Yvette mon cherie, this may be to painful for you

    That is really romantic, Johnboy – would you believe I used to look a little like Valerie de Tilburg there :-)

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  96. Fletch (6,502 comments) says:

    V2 @3.58pm, seems a waste of time and money.
    Is there anyone who speaks Maori that doesn’t speak English?
    I very much doubt it.

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  97. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    How long ago? :)

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  98. Yvette (2,854 comments) says:

    Reid – do you regularly have the problem? You are on broadband?
    Some days when too many are on in my area, it drops to buffering

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  99. Yvette (2,854 comments) says:

    Too much water has passed under that bridge, Johnboy, no matter who owns it

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  100. Reid (16,638 comments) says:

    do you regularly have the problem? You are on broadband?

    Full noise broadband, can’t stand anything less. Only happens on YouTube and almost every clip on YouTube. Every 3-4 secs it stops to re-buffer.

    YouTube about a month or two ago, started to discontinue the download if the user paused play. Obviously they want to save server utilage which is fair enough but this same issue started at the same time. My brother has it, I was wondering if others also do, can I take it you don’t Yvette?

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  101. wat dabney (3,814 comments) says:

    Other_Andy,

    Don’t you agree that some the relativist ‘everything goes’, ‘if it itches, scratch it’ mentality breeds the moral relativism that causes problems?
    Why not keep some of traditional Judeo-Christian values or do you want to get rid of them because they are traditional Judeo-Christian values?

    Your use of the word “some” makes all the difference. If we are to keep “some” traditional Judeo-Christian values which ones are we to keep and which are we to reject? Being selective means that we are explicitly not keeping or adhering to “traditional Judeo-Christian values.”

    Put another way, do you fully support and advocate every verse in the following pages?:

    http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

    http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/int/long.html

    http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/inj/long.html

    http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/fv/long.html

    If you don’t then what criteria are you using to make your selection, and from where did you derive them?

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  102. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    I have to confess that I have never been as noble as Sydney Carton Yvette! :)

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  103. Manolo (14,086 comments) says:

    Imagine the outrage if the advise was given here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2176788/Mothers-large-problem-families-stop-children-warns-senior-government-adviser.html
    The communist Luddites and Labour will be up in arms (as expected).

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  104. Yvette (2,854 comments) says:

    Well, you wouldn’t, Johnboy, if you really wanted to get ahead :-)

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  105. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    What you doing tomorrow?

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  106. Manolo (14,086 comments) says:

    Far out. KB is now a dating site. Sign of the times, no doubt.

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  107. Viking2 (11,579 comments) says:

    From coast to coast, Labor will lose the lot, says Steve Bracks

    by: SID MAHER and KATE LEGGE
    From: The Australian
    July 21, 2012 12:00AM

    FORMER Victorian premier Steve Bracks has predicted that Julia Gillard and the remaining state Labor governments will lose office when they next face voters and says the party needs to re-engage with people and develop more attractive policies.

    Mr Bracks, who co-authored a post-mortem into Labor’s near-defeat in the 2010 federal election, predicts the cathartic but necessary electoral rout in an interview with The Weekend Australian. “My view is that Labor is going to lose federally and whatever remaining state governments we’ve got,” he said. “I hope we don’t, but it’s very likely.

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  108. Yvette (2,854 comments) says:

    Reid – I don’t usually have the problem, but sometimes the Internet seems to slow up, but I think it is a computer card up the road in a Telecom box which blew up a while back. How far does your brother live from you – to discount a possible ‘local’ problem

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  109. Manolo (14,086 comments) says:

    100 morons and no-hopers gather. TAB odds of 10,000 to 1 that Miss Penny Dim was there.
    http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8502802/education-activists-to-march-on-conference

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  110. Viking2 (11,579 comments) says:

    Johnboy (8,352) Says:
    July 21st, 2012 at 4:02 pm

    V2—— :) Can you see it now.

    Phew bro, your fucked and while youse is away youse whanau is being watched by the Fuzz for the buyers for the shit you pinched Bro! :)

    Johnboy, you fogot the last sentence. Hey bro can I fuck ya missus while ya there man?

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  111. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    Reid will be chaparone Manolo! :)

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  112. Viking2 (11,579 comments) says:

    re the tale if two tities.

    Won’t happen here johnboy. No one bothers to go down to the Red Square any more and few people even know its true name.
    Mind you we have a few city hall dwellers that we could send down for you.
    We have inherited Len Browns cast off as ourtemporay soon to be permant CEO.
    Remember the scum bag that did all sorts of secretive stuff at Manakau.

    Our representatives apparently never even googled his name to find out about his activities.

    Suposed to institute cost cutting and stuff. Yeh right given the track record at Manukau.
    Off with his head I’d say and the gaggle that employed him.

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  113. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    We of course have a jolly good Mayor in the shape of Ray Wallace. A scholar and a bloody gentleman. Future PM of NZ/Aotearoa I suspect when JK decides to retire!!! :)

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  114. Viking2 (11,579 comments) says:

    Ah but they change. No grass roots common Kiwi is gunna be put there by the Nats.

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  115. Reid (16,638 comments) says:

    Evans Bay vs Eastbourne Yvette. We use different ISPs and he’s wireless and I’m wired. Confident to say it’s definitely not the connection settings, it’s coming from YouTube, doesn’t happen with any other site.

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  116. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    @WD

    “Being selective means that we are explicitly not keeping or adhering to “traditional Judeo-Christian values.”

    Who says?
    Judeo-Christian values is not a precisely defined ‘belief system’.
    You can base your (Or in your words derive them from) values on traditional Judeo-Christian values.
    Nothing is clear cut. If it was there wouldn’t be more than 38000 Christian denominations.
    You don’t even have to be a Christian to base your actions on those values.
    Everybody can and has his-her own interpretation of what those values are.

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  117. Andrei (2,668 comments) says:

    Reid, are you running anti virus software that scans in real time? – bet you that is the cause of your problems if you are

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  118. Manolo (14,086 comments) says:

    Another “wonderful” example of green energy: http://www.lvrj.com/business/amonix-closes-north-las-vegas-solar-plant-after-14-months-heavy-federal-subsidies-162901626.html

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  119. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/9416053/Unite-union-wants-Ed-MIliband-to-fight-class-based-campaign.html

    This is what the unions want NZ labour to do as well, its staggering that they can be so out of touch.

    WTF is working class.

    Theres workers and non workers -simple you labour fucktards

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  120. Manolo (14,086 comments) says:

    Will big bruv be glued to the TV tonight watching his beloved Crusaders? You bet he will.

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  121. Viking2 (11,579 comments) says:

    So do we think that Warner Bros will learn and realise that the market would rather sit at home to watch new movies than go to dangerous places to be shot at?
    Will they do what they should and change their business model, (and make more money), or will they continue to be like American Banks. Still swapping cheques.

    Anyone remember those days? Well America still does that.
    Try their banking system. Appallingly bad and about a century behind the times.

    Facebook are moving to usurp the banks by introducing Facebook banking which will allow Facebook users to do what we in NZ and Aussie take for granted. i.e. online transactions between people’s bank accounts.
    Don’t hold your breathe though if you expect the Yank Banks to catch up.

    Dotcom is so right about these turkeys.

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  122. mikenmild (11,794 comments) says:

    First I’ve heard of picture theatres being described as ‘dangerous places.’

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  123. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/junk-food-companies-and-lack-of-playgrounds-behind-obesity-crisis-academic-says/story-fndo2dsc-1226431238369

    …”FAT people are not to blame for being overweight, a top Melbourne academic claims…..

    All academics are from the plant Zog and should be sent back.

    You are a fat bastard because you cannot stop stuffing food down your gullet, its not some evil US restaurant chain.

    Hey tubby stop cramming it in, or if you must don’t whinge when you can’t sit in an airplane

    I have yet to see some be-suited 28 year business graduate drag people into McDonalds and ram a Mac Attack down anyones neck.

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  124. Fletch (6,502 comments) says:

    I see that KFC’s Double Down burger is back, with the usual controversial cries.

    I don’t get it, really.
    I mean, if you take it apart and put it on a plate, it’s two chicken fillets and a salad.
    Who hasn’t had that at a BBQ? It’s got no burger buns – so what?

    I would have thought it was healthier without the extra bread anyway.

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  125. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    @Pauleastbay

    “This is what the unions want NZ labour to do as well, its staggering that they can be so out of touch.”

    What do you mean, out of touch?

    “A senior political official in Unite, the trade union, declared that Labour must be “the party of and for workers”, adding that it was “tough” if this approach alienated middle-class voters.”

    That would be Len McCluskey from Unite.
    The one that takes home NZ$ 239,150.00

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  126. RKBee (1,344 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay @ 6:11 pm

    If you want to read a labour member unionist opinion read this article in the Taranaki Daily News today.
    No solutions just John Key bashing.. Labour never seem to admit that they sold the assets.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/7321783/Our-lost-generation

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  127. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    It’s that dreadful sauce that makes it taste like shit Fletch. If they got rid of that it would be OK.

    Bit like their pies really. :)

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  128. Harriet (5,145 comments) says:

    “….Court registrars and attendants will open, adjourn and close sittings at the District, Family and Youth courts in both languages…”

    With that sort of symbolism from the public service towards the Maoris then maybe for the greens they could free all the cockoos from the clocks! :cool:

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  129. Reid (16,638 comments) says:

    Reid, are you running anti virus software that scans in real time?

    No. But tell me. Did you notice a month or two ago that YouTube had stopped continuance on the download when you paused?

    This doesn’t happen on all YouTube clips. I just tried to give you one where it happens to me so I looked at some from last night. What do you know they work fine, now. How annoying.

    You might enjoy this though. Magnificent tour de force series on New York City. Emmy award winning, it’s really good. When it doesn’t pause.

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  130. Viking2 (11,579 comments) says:

    Must be an important conference on somewhere. Oh that’s right the Nats. are getting a freebie in return for more pokies aren’t they.
    Now that will rark up the pofters and wopfters et al.

    Probably explains our hosts absence today.

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  131. Viking2 (11,579 comments) says:

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  132. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    http://thechive.com/2012/07/19/michelle-jenneke-and-her-sexy-pre-race-routine-set-my-heart-ablaze-video/

    And she wins, awesome

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  133. Lucia Maria (2,609 comments) says:

    Reid,

    YouTube about a month or two ago, started to discontinue the download if the user paused play. Obviously they want to save server utilage which is fair enough but this same issue started at the same time. My brother has it, I was wondering if others also do …

    It happens to me as well, Reid. And, if there’s a problem with the download, the video starts all over again. It’s quite annoying.

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  134. Viking2 (11,579 comments) says:

    For all you KB’s that don’t like bene’s.

    http://screencast.com/t/EV6yTldT

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  135. Reid (16,638 comments) says:

    It’s quite annoying.

    Yes it is rather Lucia. It causes quite a few fiddle-de-de’s and oh dears around here when it does.

    It would be awfully super were it never to ever happen again, ever.

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  136. Viking2 (11,579 comments) says:

    Ask God to fix it then or alternatively you could try a different anti virus or anti virus setting. Real time anti virus is the probable cause.

    Mine runs just fine on one computer but not so good on the work one.

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  137. Viking2 (11,579 comments) says:

    Is the visible hand stifling Chinese innovation
    Joseph Judd | joseph.judd@nzinitiative.org.nz
    Joseph JuddCenturies before the communist era, Chinese innovators came up with four of mankind’s truly profound and influential inventions: gunpowder, paper, printing and the compass. China also invented some of our handiest household items, including the wheelbarrow, the chopstick, the toothbrush, and toilet paper.

    But where are China’s innovators today? Could it be that Beijing’s meddling ‘visible hand’ is stifling the entrepreneurial spirit it is so desperately seeking to foster?

    This week’s Economist (‘Comeback Kid: The American Economy is Reinventing Itself’) describes the success of Texan wildcatter George Mitchell, known for exploring oil wells in areas not known to be oil fields. Mitchell, the father of America’s current shale gas boom, is called “the kind of risk taker that America has in abundance”. The innovation that spawned Silicon Valley and its vast global influence was fostered in a political economy where risk-takers had the freedom to ‘have a go’.

    In their efforts to achieve similar successes, Chinese leaders are spending billions of dollars every year on research and development initiatives hoping that subsidising ‘strategic’ industries – largely dominated by Chinese state-owned enterprises – will foster innovation.

    As Sydney University’s Dr John Lee pointed out in a recent speech for The New Zealand Initiative, strategic sectors in China are seen as core to the national and security interests of the state. To that end, the Chinese Communist Party ensures that strategic industries dominate the economic landscape through a combination of cheap loans, protectionism, and tax and subsidy programmes.

    To the Chinese, it’s not just about picking national ‘winners’ and protecting them from competition.Beijing’s ‘indigenous innovation’ strategy also puts pressure on foreign firms to transfer their intellectual property so Chinese companies can assimilate, absorb and re-innovate.

    But imitation is not innovation. Without a dynamic environment that nurtures innovation by freeing up entrepreneurs and risk-takers, nations can find it difficult to create jobs and raise wages and living standards. China is in no immediate danger of hollowing out, but it does urgently need to find ways of genuinely encouraging innovation.

    As the failures of New Zealand’s ‘think big’ period of the 1970s remind us, government is not good at picking winners or facilitating innovation. More often than not, it gets in the way of those who can.

    With recent signs of a slow-down in China’s growth, Beijing’s leaders need to turn their attention to developing a less top-down approach and give their own risk-taking wildcatters and private sector firms more freedom to experiment.

    Kinda familiar. Just big government.

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  138. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    I’m usually so stoned I can never tell the difference between real time and my time. Real time is when I log on here I think! :)

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  139. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    Are you saying Methanol/Urea plants are shit then V2?

    Who’d have thunk that in the seventies eh? :)

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  140. Steve (North Shore) (4,593 comments) says:

    Reid,

    YouTube buffering – get some RAM, and not Johnboy’s type of ram. Also get rid of background monitors like printers, scanners, even MS Office. Any shit that is not being used should be removed from the startup

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  141. Yvette (2,854 comments) says:

    Reid –

    • Change Quality – see if a lower setting makes a difference – click on the cog/gear icon [inner one, bottom right of YouTube image frame]

    • Video stuck (and will not continue to load)
    This situation could be due to an incomplete copy is stuck in your browser’s cache. If this is the case, the video will never fully buffer/load in this state.
You can attempt to resolve the situation and restart the video’s buffering (loading) by clearing your browser’s cache.

    • Check Broadband Speedtest http://www.nzdsl.co.nz/

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  142. Reid (16,638 comments) says:

    It’s not real-time virus checking and it’s not lack of RAM – I’m running 16 GB.

    Don’t think it’s bandwidth either Yvette. Run another movie from another site like Vimeo and it runs fine. But will try what you suggest, most grateful for all suggestions. Thanks to all.

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  143. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    @Reid

    Noticed the same thing since about last week.
    Lots of complaints from users.
    It isn’t the Anti-virus or the amount of RAM
    It is also not the OS or the browser.
    Happens with Explorer, Firefox etc., on Macs, Windows and Androids.
    Something to do with YouTube itself.

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  144. Steve (North Shore) (4,593 comments) says:

    Log out of the Strandard and Red Blert then Reid, that should help heaps :)

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  145. big bruv (14,165 comments) says:

    Johnboy

    So what is the time in your world? :)

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  146. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    If anyone needs some extra RAM I am of course available. :)

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  147. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    In my world any time is the right time BB! :)

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  148. Steve (North Shore) (4,593 comments) says:

    50 shades of lamb. Yvette will be disapointed

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  149. Steve (North Shore) (4,593 comments) says:

    “Meanwhile, a group of about 100 people protesting the government’s education policies marched from Britomart to the convention centre on Saturday afternoon.”
    http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/14325023/second-wave-of-welfare-reforms-outlined/

    Wow, a huge protest

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  150. nasska (11,822 comments) says:

    Johnboy had a little lamb
    His father had it too
    If you’re in to beastiality
    Wainui’s is the place for you.

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  151. Steve (North Shore) (4,593 comments) says:

    “Meanwhile, a group of about 100 people protesting the government’s education policies marched from Britomart to the convention centre on Saturday afternoon.”
    http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/14325023/second-wave-of-welfare-reforms-outlined/

    Wow, a huge protest. The dropkick bludgers must have been scared of getting on TV – wonder why?

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  152. Viking2 (11,579 comments) says:

    From the Ladies.

    http://screencast.com/t/MdlqJNw2Tn1

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  153. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    Nasska takes it up the ass
    His Mum and Dad did to
    If you’re into sodomy
    The Rapas made for you

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  154. nasska (11,822 comments) says:

    A twin-engine plane has an engine failure and the altitude and speed are decreasing rapidly. The pilot speaks over the intercom… “I’m sorry it has come to this ladies and gentlemen, but unfortunately we are going to have to get rid of the luggage in order for the aircraft to remain airborne”.

    Baggage is thrown out but still the plane’s speed continues to decrease. Once again the pilot gets on the intercom “I hate to do this folks, but in order to save the majority we are going to have to start off-loading some passengers. The only fair way is to do this alphabetically so we’ll start with the letter ‘A’… Africans? Are there any Africans on board?”

    There was no answer so the pilot calls “‘B’… Black people, are there any black people on board?” Again silence.

    ‘C’… Coloured people? Are there any coloured people on board?” Dead silence.

    A little black boy sitting near the rear of the plane turned to his mother and said “Mum, ain’t we African? Ain’t we black?” Ain’t we coloured?” She replied, “Yes son… but today we is niggers. Let them do the Muslims first”.

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  155. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    Thank God that Sodomites come before Wainuiomartians! :)

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  156. big bruv (14,165 comments) says:

    Well said Johnboy. Pour yourself a drink.

    Tell me, did the mighty Ories win today?

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  157. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    I’m sure you will be able to tell me BB. :)

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  158. nasska (11,822 comments) says:

    Luck of the draw Johnboy. As they say, some days you’re the Arab…..some days you’re the goat. :)

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  159. big bruv (14,165 comments) says:

    Johnboy

    It was a genuine question. I am far removed from the Polo grounds so genuinely have no idea what the result was today.

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  160. Yvette (2,854 comments) says:

    Il était une fois un homme de Juno,
    Il a dit, «Sex, ce que je sais,
    Les femmes sont très bien,
    moutons sont divines,
    mais tatous sont numero uno. :-)

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  161. Reid (16,638 comments) says:

    This is very interesting. For example in part II: propaganda, we get:

    The fundamental contradiction in world society over the last few centuries has been between the haves and the have nots – between the dispossessed majority of the world, disproportionately concentrated in the 3rd world and the powerful states and the elites that benefit and control those powerful states in this world system and depending on what moment in the last few centuries there’s always been one or another way in which that contradiction has been ideologically framed. So it was ideologically framed as the manifest destiny, the superiority of the anglo-saxon race and its destiny to rule the world before there was any such thing as communism or the soviet union. Then it was framed as anarchists. Anarchists that are going to create an anarchic society still before the soviet union came into existence. During the Cold War the principle way of the war between the rich and powerful against the majority of the world was framed, was as a struggle against communism. Then the Cold War comes to an end and its a struggle against international drug trafficking and then we have 911 and now the principle lines of battle are ideologically expressed as a war against terrorism.

    Of course if you can’t bring yourself to consider the possibility the US isn’t always the good guy, don’t even bother. By all means be skeptical, so you should. But I’d be surprised if you watch this and learn nothing you didn’t already know.

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  162. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    Wainui women beat Ories Women 12-10 BB if that’s any help! :)

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  163. Reid (16,638 comments) says:

    How about I give you a link as well?

    http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/power-principle/

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  164. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    Better link here:

    http://www.clubrugby.co.nz/wellington/story.php?id=498

    Milky should be happy. :)

    Catholics and half Catholics triumphant!

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  165. big bruv (14,165 comments) says:

    So once again the mighty Ories were triumphant.

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  166. Johnboy (17,060 comments) says:

    Must have bought some better FOB’s than the other teams BB. :)

    But our “Wimmin” can still beat your “Wimmin” ! :)

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  167. big bruv (14,165 comments) says:

    Johnboy

    We have always relied on FOB’s. One year I was the only bloke who spoke English in the forward pack. ;)

    Did your “wimmin” win the boat race as well?

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  168. publicwatchdog (2,855 comments) says:

    PROTEST AGAINST CORRUPT CRONY CASINO CAPITALISM!

    Sunday 22 July 2012 1 -3pm
    Outside Sky City Convention Centre – venue of 2012 National Party Conference

    (Straight after the Auckland Action Against Poverty protest from 11.30am – 1pm against WAR ON THE POOR!)

    What role did NZ Prime Minister John Key – former Head of Derivatives for Merrill Lynch play in the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act (which helped to keep a wall between safe, boring commercial banking and more risky exciting/dangerous investment banking)?

    The Glass Steagall Act was repealed in November 1999.

    Where was John Key at that time?

    Head of Derivatives for Merrill Lynch and a Foreign Exchange Advisor for the New York Federal Reserve.

    The effect of the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act (and other legislation) was to leave the derivatives market completely unregulated.

    What is the main reason for the current global financial meltdown?

    The collapse of the derivatives market.

    How much is John Key personally responsible for the global financial crisis – given his former pivotal role at a pivotal time in helping to establish and promote/enable the derivatives market?

    (I did ask John Key this question in an ‘Open Letter’ in 2011 during the election campaign – but did not get a reply. :(

    I will ask again outside the Sky City Convention Centre at this protest against CORRUPT CRONY CASINO CAPITALISM!

    Why did John Key start a political career back in New Zealand in 2001?

    To work in the interests of NZ ‘mums and dads’ or to help open up NZ for foreign investors and his BANK$TER mates?

    There will be more information John Key’s shonky ‘conflicts of interest’…….

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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