General Debate 6 July 2012

July 6th, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    Not first, at 8.12am surely? Where is everyone?

    But I see that Phil was asking David Garrett last night if he had posted anonymously on Kiwiblog before becoming an MP. Does that mean that Phil is unable to substantiate his claim that Mr Garrett was posting here under multiple identities? Oh dear…

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  2. Colville (2,269 comments) says:

    Its gonna be a slow morning for me…my head hurts!

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  3. KiwiGreg (3,255 comments) says:

    @ KS meh I started typing a long rant about the idiocy of Len Brown and his profligate waste of ratepayer’s money but i just lost the will to live.

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  4. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    Editorial LA Times
    Global warming in our backyard
    The reality of climate change is hitting home. It’s time to plan for hotter days and rising sea levels.
    //
    Climate skeptics typically respond to such studies by saying these predictions are just designed to scare the populace. But global warming predictions should be carrying more serious weight in the public’s mind now than they did even five years ago because of emerging patterns that closely fit earlier forecasts.
    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/editorials/la-ed-adv-global-warming-20120702,0,4512793.story

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  5. alex Masterley (1,517 comments) says:

    I2 they are all fogged in.

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  6. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    A timely reminder – unrestrained socialism will destroy you. Who knew?

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/banyan/2012/07/myanmar%E2%80%99s-economy?fsrc=scn/tw/te/bl/crawlingthroughthewreckage

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  7. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    Singapore: A Nation of Public Housing
    SINGAPORE — If you hate government, want it out of your hair and held at bay, Singapore should be pure hell.

    One government agency manages 80 percent of the housing stock — all called public housing. It checks your age and whether you’re married to decide whether and when you’re eligible for an apartment. It decides what you’ll pay to occupy your flat, which local services will (or won’t) be provided. It even checks your ethnicity — every housing area has a set balance among the leading local ancestries — Chinese, Malay and Indian.
    //
    There are hurdles. First, you have to have been employed continuously for at least one year — call it public housing if you will, but no freeloaders welcome here!

    Second, you have to be 21 or older and forming a “family nucleus” — already be married, or plan to marry. Wedlock and flat acquisition seem to go hand-in-hand. (Are gay couples eligible Unambiguously no, even though one hears Singapore does have its own gay community.)

    Single men or women can apply for the housing, even in groups — but not until they’re 35 or older.
    //

    http://citiwire.net/columns/a-nation-of-public-housing/

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  8. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    http://whoar.co.nz/2012/forget-the-propaganda-heres-the-drug-war-data-that-really-matters/

    “…The New York Times recently ran a piece discrediting the government’s drug war propaganda by digging into Washington’s numbers game.

    Rather than concentrate on meaningless data like how many poppy fields are in Mexico – Washington should focus on the numbers evidencing just how badly the drug war has failed.

    From the NYT:

    If there is one number that embodies the seemingly intractable challenge imposed by the illegal drug trade on the relationship between the United States and Mexico, it is $177.26.

    That is the retail price, according to Drug Enforcement Administration data, of one gram of pure cocaine from your typical local pusher.

    That is 74 percent cheaper than it was 30 years ago.

    This number contains pretty much all you need to evaluate the Mexican and American governments’ “war” to eradicate illegal drugs from the streets of the United States.

    They would do well to heed its message.

    What it says is that the struggle on which they have spent billions of dollars – and lost tens of thousands of lives over the last four decades –

    – has failed…”

    (cont..)

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  9. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    heh..!..the cat is getting over-interested on the cursor on the screen…face a coupla inches from the screen…

    ..idiot..!

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  10. Manolo (13,783 comments) says:

    Keeping their distance: http://michellemalkin.com/2012/07/05/several-north-carolina-dems/

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  11. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    Oh god, it has a cat. Just when you thought it actually couldnt get worse, its a cat person.

    I would ask for the man card back, but thats a lost cause.

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  12. Scott Chris (6,139 comments) says:

    Any guitar players out there? You might like this:

    100 famous guitar riffs in one take

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  13. David Garrett (7,292 comments) says:

    KS: Yes..I noticed his response to the olive branch I offered yesterday morning (for the record NO, As I have said have never posted a comment or written a letter to the editor other than in my own name, ever)

    So Mr “20 points till half my life is gone” wishes the battle to continue…so be it. My offer was genuine. He chose to spurn it. I guess I should be grateful the response wasn’t “stick it up ya arse” or something similarly erudite.

    But because I am acutely aware of the bore this can be for others here – although his delusion that I am also several of you seems to have generated considerable amusement – I will not the one to fire the first strike.

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  14. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “..its a cat person. ..”

    actually i’m a dog/cat-person…

    ..we have both..

    ..and they like each other/sleep together…

    ..yr point..?

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  15. Sofia (857 comments) says:

    An article which may be of interest [or not] to any who have stated positions on ‘marriage’ in this blog over recent weeks [since Obama stated his position] –

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-chris-glaser/samesex-marriage-and-the-bible_b_1638106.html?utm_hp_ref=religion

    In part –
    … For the first thousand years of church history, marriage was not recognized as a specifically Christian institution. During this period, marriages between Christians followed the Roman model that a couple married themselves, though they may have asked a blessing from their parish priest. Even when marriage was recognized as a sacrament in 1215 A.D., canon law followed the custom that the couple married themselves, the one sacrament that did not necessarily require a priest …

    perspective:
    Rev. Chris Glaser is a longtime LGBT activist in the Presbyterian Church (USA), he is ordained in the Metropolitan Community Church.

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  16. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    Utterly lost on you TGM. Back to your gruel.

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  17. jonnobanks (148 comments) says:

    A bunch of evil Islamic terrorists are arrested in London over the night… but come on, they aint that bad, unlike those Irish Catholic bastards, move along, nothing to see.

    See, it’s easy to say that evil scum aint bad, by saying everyone else is just as bad. So let’s not worry about the Muslim terrorists now.

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  18. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    an ‘olive-branch’..?

    go and read it…it was more a passive/aggressive exercise in self-justification…

    ..and you never published/wrote any comments in kiwiblog…

    ..until you were no longer an mp..?

    ..now there’s food for thought..eh..?

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  19. Manolo (13,783 comments) says:

    Auckland got the dismal comrade Brown, so this is possible: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/78125.html

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  20. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    David Garrett

    I watched for a response to your conciliatory offer yesterday but it was obviously spurned. Perhaps, in deference to those who prefer GD to devote space exclusively to global warming or the second coming, we could have a “roast Phil’ hour every evening.

    GD usually goes quiet between 5.30pm & 6.30pm. This may be a good time to point out his failings on a regular basis.

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  21. jonnobanks (148 comments) says:

    I wonder if all those defending the Catholic Church the other day will now come along and defend Muslim terrorists, saying they aint as bad as the IRA. I will wait and see, after all don’t y’all believe in the same ghost in the sky?

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  22. Manolo (13,783 comments) says:

    GD usually goes quiet between 5.30pm & 6.30pm.

    Only because it’s the time the bludger spends exercising his wrist in energetic fashion.

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  23. Pete George (23,573 comments) says:

    Blame the parents…

    Teenagers learn binge drinking off their parents

    Teenagers are just following their parents’ example when they binge drink, writes high-school pupil Verity Johnson.

    “It all begins with drinking in the home

    Teenagers are just following their parents’ example when they binge drink, writes high-school pupil Verity Johnson.

    After watching adults, I can see where teenage binge drinking comes from. We’re just following our parents’ example.

    We definitely can’t ban teens from drinking and rely on the Sober Fairy to keep the RTDs away. Both ways will find us peeling people off the pavement.

    Adults need to help teach teens. Set a good example at home. Be a mentor. Otherwise teens might not make it to adulthood.”

    …to an extent.

    I don’t think learning directly from parents is the whole problem, there’s a lot of learning of preceding teens and following peers as well, but parents setting bad examples is a significant factor.

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  24. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    hmmo said

    Oh god, it has a cat. Just when you thought it actually couldnt get worse, its a cat person.

    I wonder if the cat is a vegan too, like the dog. And if so, I wonder how Phil stops that cat from doing what cats do and eating mice and birds. But I just hope the cat isn’t a passive smoker…

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  25. MT_Tinman (3,188 comments) says:

    I notice the All Blacks franchise are looking at putting AIG on their jersey.

    As AIG was subject to a $250 mil bailout by the American taxpayer maybe they’re looking at displaying a photo of the current American president – with a black background of course.

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  26. David Garrett (7,292 comments) says:

    Didnt take long for the trout to rise…I am happy for everyone to read my post from yesterday phool….they will decide whether it was ” a passive aggressive exercise…” or whatever you said (can’t be bothered repeating drivel) or genuine..

    And don’t go twisting my words sonny…I said I had never posted here or anywhere else in any name/nick other than my own…and that INCLUDES the odd comment when I was an MP…until then I had never read a blog, much less commented on one. I was an old fashioned letter to the editor man.

    Now to business…how much of that benefit provided by the taxpayer do you spend on dope each week?

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  27. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    @hj

    Love your link hj.
    Did you read the article?
    This is a good one..
    “.. a U.S. Geological Survey report that found sea levels already are rising more quickly along the East Coast from Massachusetts to North Carolina than they are globally.”
    You wanna explain that?

    And before you reply, you do realise that the continental US is just under 1.6% of the total surface of the earth and under 5.5% of the total land mass?

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  28. Puzzled in Ekatahuna (346 comments) says:

    A quite lengthy article regarding the Fukushima disaster
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/7231477/Fukushima-nuclear-crisis-man-made-preventable?cid=edm:stuff:dailyheadlines
    but nowhere in it does it comment on the present situation at the nuclear power plant, where the rod storage at Unit 4 apparently teeters on its foundations, waiting for the next tremor to destroy it and a large part, if not all, of Japan. The silence from USA on this issue is deafening, supposedly because of negative implications for their own nuclear stations.

    If a lack of appropriate international support allows disaster to overtake a large part of the northern Pacific it could to say the least be one of the most spectacular ironies of human history.
    When was the last time we saw an update on Fukushima, not just a report on a report.
    Fukushima could easily render global warning just rather academic

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  29. Keeping Stock (10,342 comments) says:

    So why is the Herald starting a campaign about the costs of providing legal representation to those accused of crimes, and to one defendant in particular. Could this just be a cyncial way of keeping interest alive until the wall-to-wall coverage comes from the weekend papers?

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/07/justice-comes-at-cost.html

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  30. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    (this is a must-watch vid…from the former vice-president of citibank…)

    http://whoar.co.nz/2012/philip-wollen-australian-philanthropist-former-vp-of-citibank-makes-blazing-animal-rights-speech/

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  31. David Garrett (7,292 comments) says:

    …Now on that dope habit of yours phool…do you get a bulk deal from your supplier given your clearly prodigious intake? Do you then on-sell a little to “cover costs” as it were? Fairly common practice in the drug using community I understand…

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  32. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    Puzzled in Ekatahuna

    Totally agree…the silence of academics & the media on this issue is frightening. Especially amazing is the lack of reaction from the American public who live in the path of the radiation which will be driven across the Pacific by wind & sea currents.

    Equally amazing is the lack of reaction from Japan itself. With a highly educated & wealthy populace surely they can figure out some way of containing the threat. Their entire nation will cease to exist if Fukushima goes toes up.

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  33. Don the Kiwi (1,761 comments) says:

    Yeah phil.

    Do you do rollies, or light up a bong? Do you share with your neighbours? Do you have gang affiliations?

    So many questions, so few answers.

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  34. David Garrett (7,292 comments) says:

    DTK:Whaddya mean “few”? When has he EVER answered a question? Very quick to accuse others of “running away” from his though…

    He is a fascinating study in narcissism…doesn’t mean he couldn’t do that data entry job Mr Nui offered him though! Heaps of people with personality disorders hold down jobs…..there’s even a woman with Asbergers syndrome who is a university professor of international renown…

    And he could certainly assist the proprietor of I Suk Up Ltd (proudly cleaning septic tanks in Rodney for 15 years)…and he doesn’t even have the inconvenience of a partner, which apparently leads to a high turnover in Mr Suk Up’s business…they don’t like washing the overalls apparently…

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  35. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    (todays’ best-of…so far..)

    “…How Love Rewires the Brain..”

    “…Learned Optimism: Martin Seligman on Happiness – Depression – and the Meaningful Life…”

    “…Why I Write: George Orwell’s Four Motives for Creation…”

    “…Philip Wollen – Australian Philanthropist – Former VP of Citibank – Makes Blazing Animal Rights Speech…”

    “…Climate skeptics still not worried..”

    “…Romney panic sets in…”

    “…Star Spangled Birther: Meet John Philip Sousa IV…”

    “…Professors without borders…”

    “…Hearing the Voice of God…”

    “…The Western Welfare State: Its Rise and Demise and the Soviet Bloc…”

    “…Did the Mossad Murder Arafat?…”

    “…Obesity in Asia: American Fast Food is Fare for the Rich…”

    “…Scientists Say Ongoing Weather Extremes Offer Proof of Climate Change…”

    “…Google Gets Dystopian: “Google Glasses” and the Surveillance State…”

    “…Forget the Propaganda – Here’s the Drug War Data That Really Matters…”

    “…Are We Depriving Our Children of the Pursuit of Happiness?…”

    “…Government-Sponsored Study Destroys DEA’s Classification of Marijuana as ‘Medically Useless’…”

    “…Nicolas Sarkozy: The L’Oreal files…”

    “…Drug Use & Baby Boomers: 5 Prescription Drugs With High Potential For Abuse..”

    “…Oliver Stone, Weed: ‘Savages’ Director Talks Marijuana..”

    “…Why Is The Penis Shaped Like That?…”

    “…Syria Crisis: WikiLeaks Starts Publishing More Than 2 Million Hacked Emails..”

    “…Google UK privacy manager worked for ICO during Street View probe…”

    “…The Shard rises above London – timelapse video…”

    “…London 2012: even Beijing didn’t put an army on the gates…”

    “…[LISTEN] Album Stream: Collapsing Cities – Strangers Again..”

    “…Private firm missing its prison targets for Mt Eden…”

    “…City leaders kept in dark on V8 details…”

    “….How long will the All Blacks remain all black?..”

    “…Fifty Shades of Grey peddles the tired old fantasy of romance that keeps women in their place…”

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  36. James Stephenson (2,180 comments) says:

    100 famous guitar riffs in one take

    Thanks for that Scott, well worth the time to watch, although the old rock head that I am, quibbles at the absence of Clash or Pixies from the line up.

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  37. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    haha

    hj slagging off Singapore for providing first class housing for it’s citizens.

    He should blame those evil white colonial masters . They started it,same in Hong Kong.

    What did the Romans ever do for us?

    sofia and marriage. What did the Romans say about “same sex marriage”?

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  38. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    and those trolls ranting at me should know..i ain’t playing..eh..?

    ..and in fact am welcoming the focus on just issues/ideas…

    .as that is why i am here in the first place…

    ..and all that bullshit is just a distraction from that..eh..?

    ..so just keep on howling into the void..eh..?

    ..yr own voice is all that will be coming back at you..eh..?

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  39. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    @nasska and Puzzled in Ekatahuna

    Regarding the silence around the Fukushima situation.
    You can take that two ways.
    1. There is no news because they are keeping it silent as not to frighten the horses.
    2. There is no news because…there is nothing happening. There IS no news.

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  40. David Garrett (7,292 comments) says:

    Now this is interesting….I noticed over the last few days an almost complete absence of the punctuation phrase (or whatever it is supposed to be) …eh?

    on the end of every line…

    why was that Phool? why did you reintroduce it?

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  41. polemic (460 comments) says:

    I have posted this here as well…

    Re Throwing out the Outdated No Nukes Policy !

    Perhaps it is time National brought up the subject and asked the question publically of its relevance espescially when the Somers report concluded that-
    “more nuclear radiation was emitted from Auckland Hospital on a single day than was emitted by the US Navy in a whole year”

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  42. Manolo (13,783 comments) says:

    When will the government of the brave John Key ditch this outdated policy?

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  43. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    If ever here was proof that the west was being run by the lunatic PC brigade this has got to be it.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/northernireland/9379793/Bloody-Sunday-soldiers-could-face-murder-charges-as-police-announce-criminal-investigation.html

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  44. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    Other_Andy

    Both options you put up are equally plausible. To me, the way this issue is being ignored by our normally sensationalist MSM is scary. Under normal conditions we would be treated to daily exposes on the likely fate of children born within cooee of Fukashima complete with descriptions of glow in the dark tuna swimming around the Pacific, yet….nothing.

    What little we know of Fukashima would suggest that our august United Nations might take their collective heads out of their arses & devote a little time to explaining the likelihood or other of a disaster which would make the results of a spot of nuclear warfare seem like the outcome of a kindergarten tiff.

    In the absence of some rational explanations I’m going to end up joining the rest of the conspiracy theorists.

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  45. travellerev (148 comments) says:

    John Key and his National Government have lumbered the New Zealand population with $112 Billion in Derivatives. Derivatives are based on the LIBOR. Now it turns out that the banks have been fiddling with the LIBOR and it is bankrupting Pension and sovereign wealth funds (Cullen fund anyone) around the world. This should make you furious and it should be a reason for a vote of no confidence in John Key who has a massive conflict of interest with most of his paper wealth in the Bank of America!!!

    http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/2012/07/06/the-biggest-financial-scam-in-world-history-or-why-you-should-be-furious/

    http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/2012/05/14/112-billion-in-derivatives-and-off-the-books-accounting-john-key-cant-help-himself/

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  46. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    @nasska

    “To me, the way this issue is being ignored by our normally sensationalist MSM is scary. Under normal conditions we would be treated to daily exposes on the likely fate of children born within cooee of Fukashima complete with descriptions of glow in the dark tuna swimming around the Pacific, yet….nothing.”

    This to me explains exactly why there is nothing wrong with Fukashima. Knowing the scare mogering sensationalist MSM, they would be all over this story, if there was one.

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  47. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    Other_Andy

    I hope you’re right….I’d like to think that I can see out my days without running a Geiger counter over the cans of fish in the pantry.

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  48. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    OA,nasska

    It’s simply a measure of how shit the MSM are. They jump from one crisis or sensational story to another. Wall to wall coverage for a few days and then nothing or very little.

    Germany shut its down after Fukushima and that tells me it’s pure emotion. Meanwhile Japan is restarting theirs, you can’t live without electricity no more and we won’t let them catch enough whales for oil lamps.

    http://www.japantoday.com/category/national/view/1st-japan-reactor-goes-online-since-nuclear-crisis

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  49. princetipytoe (47 comments) says:

    bc (483) Says:
    July 1st, 2012 at 2:24 pm
    Re: first post @ 8.08am by David Garrett

    To David (and a couple of others who do the same)
    Here’s what I don’t get, I am truly baffled and I can’t be the only one. You criticise philu from hijacking the general debate comments.
    Yet in the couple of days where there are no comments from philu – who gets talked about? You guessed it. (It’s almost like he was missed).
    Then in the FIRST post of the day today, who gets talked about?
    It is YOU David, not philu that has set the tone of the general debate today.
    So I have to ask, because I really need to know – WHY, David?
    Why mention him?
    Why start the day with such a nasty personal attack?
    Why do you let him get to you?
    Big Bruv and others that do the same – feel free to contribute. Honestly, you all need therapy – get it out of the system!

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  50. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Sincerely, my advice to friends or foes of philu is just ignore him. Very, very occasionally he makes a point worth debating, but the rest of his stuff and the reaction and counter-reaction is quite tiresome.

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  51. princetipytoe (47 comments) says:

    DG is obviously mentally ill and should seek help for his borderline personality disorder. as most people with this disorder are so consumed with it they can not help themselves.
    DG exhibits all the symptoms.
    DG. stop the denial and get some help then you won’t be going round and ruining your life and others in it.

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  52. freemark (580 comments) says:

    Have just watched an awesome series of documentaries on the USS Nimitz, around the Gulf War 2 deployment. Ordinary people, making less per hour than they would at McDonalds, questioning the politics of what they are doing, being away from families etc. A great range of perspectives, and quite pertinent considering Pearl Harbourgate. Oh that we could provide some of our disaffected youth with these opportunities, our industry with the construction etc of ships. Incidentally the doco made by PBS.
    I’m also looking down in to Oneroa Bay watching the fog lift from around the spirit of New Zealand.. great sight.

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  53. James Stephenson (2,180 comments) says:

    Erm, Ure? You do realise that it takes more than removing a few full stops and the the word “eh?” to disguise your writing style, don’t you?

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  54. Weihana (4,537 comments) says:

    Ordinary people, making less per hour than they would at McDonalds…

    Though everything gets paid for.

    Oh that we could provide some of our disaffected youth with these opportunities

    Gotta be better than prison. Didn’t work for Kurariki.

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  55. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    freemark

    We often hear “american tv is shit”. That would be the american tv that is aired here. PBS make excellent documentaries.

    Our yuff have plenty of opportunities,it’s a pity so many don’t seem to make the best of what is on offer,but that’s another story.

    Me,I’m quite happy that the Americans are still prepared to put so much into their military. Once great countries with naval and army traditions seem determined to shit all over their best people.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/9337175/Soldiers-sacked-days-before-pension-date.html

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  56. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    stephenson..are you also ‘keeping stock’…?

    ..or does yr name just link to that site ‘cos you like it..?

    ..and um..!..who are you claiming is also me..?

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  57. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    I can’t say that I’ve ever got uptight about the random exposions of punctuation appearing on the screen. It was a simple matter to just scroll on by.

    But I have to say that in the last few days I’ve developed a somewhat uneasy feeling that I’ve haven’t quite been able to understand. I’ve realised now that ever since The Great Masturbator shared more of the intimate detail of his private life than I care to know, whenever I see this eruption of punctuation from his keyboard, it immediately triggers a vision of what was likely erupting over his keyboard at the time.

    The emotion is difficult to describe, but it’s almost as if seeing it now leaves me feeling soiled.

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  58. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    BTW, Scotty, good to see that you appear better today. It was getting pretty touch and go last night.

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  59. publicwatchdog (2,597 comments) says:

    FYI Kiwibloggers :)

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/bold-changes-needed-growth-killer-rma-%E2%80%93-banks-ca-122885#comment-450627

    Should ‘dodgy’ John Banks even be in Parliament?

    So far he has been politically protected by Prime Minister John Key – whose following of ‘due process’ over the Sky City Convention Centre deal is currently being investigated by the OAG.

    New Zealand ‘perceived’ to be the ‘least corrupt country in the world’ (Transparency International 2011 ‘Corruption Perception Index’).

    WHAT A SICK JOKE IS THAT ‘PERCEPTION’!

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10817650

    “Police investigation into Banks’ mayoral campaign completed
    By Claire Trevett
    7:21 PM Thursday Jul 5, 2012

    A police investigation into John Banks’ 2010 mayoral campaign donations disclosure is completed and a decision on whether the Act leader faces prosecution is expected within weeks.

    Auckland Detective Inspector Mark Benefield told complainants yesterday that the investigation was over and the case had been sent to Police Legal Services to review. He said that process could take two to three weeks.

    Auckland Council’s electoral officer referred Mr Banks to the police to investigate whether he filed a false return after his tilt for the city’s mayoralty in 2010.

    The donations at the centre of the inquiry include $50,000 from Kim Dotcom and $15,000 from Sky City which were not disclosed, or were disclosed as anonymous donations, in his return.

    Mr Banks has consistently maintained his return was correct, based on his knowledge at the time.

    Complaints were laid by Labour MP Trevor Mallard and others, including Auckland based activists Lisa Pragar and Penny Bright.”
    ___________________________________________________________________________

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  60. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Just asking Penny, which country in the world has less curruption than NZ?

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  61. Fletch (6,395 comments) says:

    This is totally freaky –

    China is building cities to boost economic growth and up their GDP, but there is nobody to live in the cities. They are too expensive. Something like 46 Million uninhabited apartments.
    On Satellite images you can see cities in China with highways, parks, skyscrapers, all uninhabited.

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/bizarre-chinas-eerie-ghost-cities-arise/

    A Dateline video of a journalist who visited them –

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  62. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    Penny: as somebody who has STOLEN water, encouraged others to STEAL water, STOLEN electricity (as part of the Occupy movement), and VANDALISED AND DEFACED the billboards of her opponents when standing for public office, proceeds to call other people ‘dodgy’ and calls into question the perception of the level of corruption in New Zealand, do you really expect to be taken seriously?

    It’s like when you mooted a ‘Draft Action Plan’ with the following points:

    4. Legislate for an enforceable ‘Code of Conduct’ for NZ Members of Parliament (who make the rules for everyone else).

    5. Make it an offence under the Local Government Act 2002 for NZ Local Government elected representatives to breach their ‘Code of Conduct’.

    Somebody standing for public office who has STOLEN water, encouraged others to STEAL water, STOLEN electricity (as part of the Occupy movement), would probably not be looked upon very favourably under this ‘Code of Conduct’. And as for somebody standing for public office who proceeded to VANDALISE AND DEFACE the billboards of her opponents during the campaign – that wouldn’t be very seemly, now would it?

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  63. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    gee graham..you must be really dirty on those richest new zealanders who avoided tax/’stole’ some $50 million …eh..?

    ..all caps-lock on that one…?

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  64. KevinH (1,227 comments) says:

    @Other_Andy
    Contaminated tuna has been found in California: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/29/tuna-contaminated-radiation-fukushima-california.
    It would appear that the full impact of contamination has not being fully appraised yet, to hot a subject perhaps. But to be on the safe side abstaining from consuming fish caught in the Pacific until better information is available would be advisable.
    It is a little scary because the Fukushima plant did release significant amounts of radiation into the enviroment and the impact of that is still not fully known.
    The Herald has just put out a story of the disaster a few hours ago but no mention of contamination:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10817744

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  65. freemark (580 comments) says:

    Excuse me Phool & Penny..
    WTF would you two village idiots know about working, paying tax or being honest and productive citizens?
    With all due respect, fuck off and let the rest of us have an intelligent debate.

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  66. freemark (580 comments) says:

    I heard more people die from lightening strikes every day than from nuclear energy related sickness every year.

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  67. Michael Mckee (1,091 comments) says:

    Now CNN is helping set the scene for pedophiles
    http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/has-the-normalizing-of-pedophilia-begun/

    Does anyone know any “Minor-attracted people “?

    from 2011
    That’s the gentle term being proffered by the APA (American Pyschiatric Association) for pedophiles as they try to mainstream pedophilia as just another sexual orientation.
    Just read the last para.
    And these are the professionals that everyone quotes.
    http://www.b4uact.org/news/20110817.htm

    for a different take on it from from that period.
    http://www.wnd.com/2011/08/336869/
    http://www.wnd.com/2011/08/336741

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  68. Michael Mckee (1,091 comments) says:

    Fletch (3,025) Says:
    July 6th, 2012 at 12:19 pm

    on the other hand if they had a nuclear war they have empty cities ready to fill with the party officials who’ve left the hoi polloi in the bombed ones??

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  69. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Maybe the Chinese know that their catholic population is growing, so they will need lots of space for bigger families!

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  70. David Garrett (7,292 comments) says:

    Princetipytoe alias Colin Brewer; a.k.a Ceri John ( I suspect): Funny you should metion BPD…An ex lover of mine once accused me of suffering the same condition…my psychiatrist didn’t agree, but then he’s only been practising for 35 years…

    You ever been examined by a shrink? Submitted yourself (or any of yourselves) to analysis ?

    Didn’t think so…Be brave! give it a go….You have to actually be a danger to yourself or others to be subjected to complusory treatment order…

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  71. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    DG. Thought I would pass this thought to you to share with Phil.

    http://screencast.com/t/2MAR3OdlVcs

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  72. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    jonnobanks and milky

    You’re baiting but so far no biting!

    Isn’t this site stuffed up enuf with peeny and the other p? Why start more nonsense?FFS.

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  73. David Garrett (7,292 comments) says:

    Michael McKee: That’s scary stuff isn’t it? But also entirely predictable…once you start “normalising” things that by definition are not normal (i.e. they deviate significantly from the norm) where does that stop?

    I believe those who say normalizing homosexuality is fine, because it is behaviour between consenting adults have a perfectly valid and logical point. But FWIW I recall arguing at uni 25 years ago what we would eventually be having the same “is it normal?” discussion about paedophilia, and being shouted down as a looney..(Prince: See my previous post.)

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  74. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    freemark

    I reckon the gummint here needs to be more concerned about the high number of parents who don’t immunise their kids or take them to the free dental service on offer than getting into a tizzy about what other countries do with atoms.

    Maybe we should take that fiend Rutherford off the big note?

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  75. slijmbal (1,236 comments) says:

    can we have radioactive levels reported in banana equivalent doses please? Adds a bit of sanity to the chicken little approach.

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  76. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    Airbus are building a plant in Alabama. Why there you ask?

    This is from the wall street journal:

    “Even without the global politics of airline manufacturing, the economic incentives for Airbus to build more plants in France are difficult. With a headcount of 1,000, the new plant would easily surpass France’s various thresholds for taking on a welter of worker “protections” and the burden of union bureaucracies.

    But it’s worth noting that Airbus didn’t just pick the U.S. over France, Germany, or China. It chose Alabama over the rest of the U.S. Gee, there’s plenty of factory space available in, say, California or New York. What’s Alabama got that these famously “smart” states haven’t got?

    Not least, it’s that the Yellowhammer State is one of 23 right-to-work states, which means workers are free to decide if they want to join a union. That not only makes the Alabaman labor market markedly freer than France, but also struggling states across the U.S.”

    Theres always somewhere that doesnt suffer from Union grief. Its a small world now.

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  77. wikiriwhis business (4,016 comments) says:

    Now Libor has been exposed, do you think the FBI will be as diligent in seeking prosecutions of bankers as they were to Dotcom?

    This is how Barclays played out

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  78. Yvette (2,821 comments) says:

    slijmbal
    It also meshes with the other information that you share 60% of your genes with a banana, 90% with a mouse, and more than 99% with a chimpanzee [which,ironically enough, also quite like bananas]

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  79. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    (this is very cool..)

    http://whoar.co.nz/2012/big-pharma-is-cut-out-by-indias-plan-to-bring-medicine-to-masses/

    “..India is planning a multibillion-dollar push to bring free medicines to the hundreds of millions of its citizens who, despite the country’s economic revival, still languish without access to the very basics of health care.

    The $5bn initiative, which is slated to be rolled out by the end of this year, will offer 348 essential drugs to patients across the country.

    In a blow to the West’s big pharmaceutical firms – the planned scheme will largely cut out branded drugs –

    – opting instead for cheaper generic alternatives…”

    (cont..)

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  80. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    eewwurghhh :(

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  81. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    slijmbal

    I followed through on your suggestion. As near as I can make out a kilo of bananas contains 15 Bq of radiation…..a kilo of the blue fin tuna caught off the States recently was reported as containing 4 Bq. Does this sound about right?

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  82. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    thedavincimode

    That vision again! eh.

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  83. Manolo (13,783 comments) says:

    A beast gets off lightly: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8495018/girl-gets-life-sentence-for-2008-murder

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  84. Puzzled in Ekatahuna (346 comments) says:

    Some of the headlines we don’t get –

    NYTimes: Report suggests extensive damage from quake at Fukushima Daiichi — Pipes may have burst leading to loss of cooling within 30 minutes — “Casts doubts on safety of Japan’s entire fleet of nuclear plants”

    Nuclear expert raises doubts about support columns under Spent Fuel Pool No.4 at Fukushima Daiichi

    NRC Official: 90% chance that containment vessels used at Fukushima would “burst” from fuel melting down

    Kyodo Feature: Residents complaining of unexplained hair loss, diarrhea, fatigue around Fukushima plant -Retired Doctor

    Swiss Think-Tank: Dire situation for global environment if No. 4 fuel pool releases all radioactive material — Gov’t appears to be keeping information classified

    Minamisoma Official: Plutonium detection not being published by gov’t — Mayor should be blamed if people die

    Documentary: An insurance person told me people from Fukushima may not be able to get life insurance, and especially cancer insurance

    News blackout of massive protest — This is not normal what is happening

    • If you don’t need the light in the pantry on to see where the cans of tuna are you should probably throw them out.

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  85. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    (here is more on that topic being ignored by our media..)

    http://whoar.co.nz/?s=fukushima

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  86. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    Puzzled in Ekatahuna

    And now for the $64.000 question. Why are we being shielded from these revelations?

    Under normal circumstances I would expect our breathless TV autocue readers to be dribbling from their mouths while hyperventilating this news to us at 600 words/min. The nation’s newspapers would normally consign vital information concerning Lotto winners & Tom Cruise’s martial problems to page 5 in order to milk the pathos surrounding the prospect of radiation poisoning.

    But nothing?

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  87. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    ayee yaaaaa

    Godzillaaaaaaaaaa…………..

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  88. Manolo (13,783 comments) says:

    A bureaucrat’s wet dream: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/07/lawyers-have-already-drafted-13000-pages-of-regulations-for-new-obamatax-law/

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  89. Weihana (4,537 comments) says:

    David Garrett (2,184) Says:
    July 6th, 2012 at 1:07 pm

    Michael McKee: That’s scary stuff isn’t it? But also entirely predictable…once you start “normalising” things that by definition are not normal (i.e. they deviate significantly from the norm) where does that stop?

    I believe those who say normalizing homosexuality is fine, because it is behaviour between consenting adults have a perfectly valid and logical point. But FWIW I recall arguing at uni 25 years ago what we would eventually be having the same “is it normal?” discussion about paedophilia, and being shouted down as a looney..(Prince: See my previous post.)

    Who is having this discussion? I see some psychiatrists who may or may not be NAMBLA in drag. They may be genuinely trying to address the mental health needs of paedophiles as best they can, or they may be trying to normalize behaviour that is intolerable. In any case I don’t see any great movement of people to change their attitudes and view harmful behaviour as tolerable.

    What I do see is a thinly veiled attempt by a conservative to link homosexuality with paedophilia by suggesting that they both employ the same “strategy”. Gee, and it’s an election year where the president has come out in support of gay marriage. Coincidence? Nah.

    Reisman also endorses a book called “The Pink Swastika,” which challenges the “myths” that gays were victimized in Nazi Germany. The Nazi Party and the Holocaust itself, she writes, were largely the creation of “the German homosexual movement.” Thanks to Alfred Kinsey, she warns, the American homosexual movement is poised to repeat those crimes. “Idealistic ‘gay youth’ groups are being formed and staffed in classrooms nationwide by recruiters too similar to those who formed the original ‘Hitler youth.’ ”

    Read more http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2004/12/06/041206ta_talk_radosh#ixzz1zo8v9kId

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  90. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    Puzzled in Ekatahuna, nasska:

    I don’t think it’s necessarily a conspiracy on our media’s part. I just think it’s the simple fact that our media tends to be very inward looking, except for a very few exceptions which are easy for them to pick up on. But also, to be fair, some of the stories do make it into the MSM here – you just have to hunt to find out where they’re buried.

    The story about the tuna caught in the US that showed elevated levels of radiation; the expected boom in solar energy in Japan due to Fukushima; the orders from Japan’s leadership that forced workers to stay at the nuclear plant; stories about tens of thousands of people living in crowded shelters months after the disaster – these stories are all in the Herald, but you just don’t see them on the front page.

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  91. Weihana (4,537 comments) says:

    Michael McKee,

    Ok, my bad, just noticed that Reisman made her comments last year before the President’s endorsement of gay marriage. Still, she’s a nut even if her concern regarding b4uact are well founded. Homosexuality isn’t tolerated because of a “strategy” but rather because religious dogma isn’t enough to dissuade people from considering matters rationally. People generally tolerate harmless behaviour and do not tolerate harmful behaviour. Homosexuality is tolerated because it is not harmful.

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  92. Puzzled in Ekatahuna (346 comments) says:

    nasska – And now for the $64.000 question. Why are we being shielded from these revelations?

    My guess is
    • the USA won’t touch it because of their own ageing, risky nuclear power plants would have attention drawn to them
    • Japan ‘herself’ would loose ‘face’ to comment internationally
    • New Zealand journalists print or screen little that requires any investigative skills.

    ['Face' is largely misunderstood by the West. It means to some extent Japan will not ask for help, and more so, it means in the New Zealand context, they will keep whaling even if they never eat one ounce of what is loosing its value currently in warehouses currently stocked with unsaleable whale meat.]

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  93. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    graham

    I subscribe to the Dom Post which may even be more useless than the Herald but I have seen little in the way of information on Fukashima & what there is is in the vein of the tuna story.

    What seems to be ignored is any sort of reporting on what is being done to contain the spent rods which could easily be exposed by another earthquake. Considering the hysteria generated by the socialist dominated media over US Navy visits I would have thought that the possible nuclear contamination of an entire country & half the Pacific Ocean may have been worth a few column inches as a stand alone story.

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  94. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    Puzzled in Ekatahuna

    Lack of “face” could well account for official Japanese reticence but there are sufficient Western “journalists” based in Japan to dig around & present us with a few facts. Monique who comments here quite frequently runs her own blog “Yea or Nay” & is currently resident in California. She might shine some light on whether the American people know what could hit them.

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  95. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    But nasska, two bimbos were boxing last night!!!!!!!!

    One was wearing a bikini FFS.

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  96. Pete George (23,573 comments) says:

    I just felt that 4.9 in Dunedin (in a ground sensitive building) – that must have been a bit of a wobble in Christchurch.

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  97. MikeMan (172 comments) says:

    Manolo

    It is intresting to contrast the headlines for that story.

    Stuff Killer’s jail time cut

    NZHerald Killer teenager resentenced to life

    Shows the bias that exists, personally I think that the Stuff headline is less misleading.

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  98. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “…I subscribe to the Dom Post which may even be more useless than the Herald …”

    two funny things…

    1)..the use of the word ‘may’….in that sentence..

    2)..that anyone both subscribes to that provincial throwaway/rag…and/or regards it as some form of a source of serious news…

    (i think..that like the herald..they actually caught up with the great global economic meltdown…after it happened…as just one example..

    ..our local mainstream media..is in the main…crappy/useless at what they are supposed to do…)

    ..with that anorexic-offering the dominion post…one of the most dire..)

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  99. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    i’ve seen no reason to change my initial reaction from the first time i saw one of those dom-post rags in the flesh..

    ..which was..’is that it..?’

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  100. Lindsay Addie (1,518 comments) says:

    That 4.9 aftershock definitely rolled and rumbled around for ages over the north-west side of Chch where I live.

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  101. TheContrarian (1,085 comments) says:

    @Nasska

    The Dom Post is an awful newspaper (and don’t get me started on the Sunday Star Times).
    Fucking appalling.

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  102. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    and they are all getting worse and worse..

    ..every morning i look at stuff and herald for local items…

    ..and the pickings lately have been sparse/lean..

    ..it is all crime and irrelevant/mindless-crap…

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  103. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    fletch
    this is why they’re building ghost cities in the celestial kingdom.their officials are up to their eyeblls in it.And our Nat and Labour pollies say it’s a free open economy.

    I’d be more worried about the NZ economy going down the gurgler when that place goes bung than some glowing tuna tins.

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/analects/2012/06/wealth-and-power?scode=3d26b0b17065c2cf29c06c010184c684

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  104. Fletch (6,395 comments) says:

    Homosexuality is tolerated because it is not harmful.

    Whoa there, says who?

    Of course it’s harmful. Even gays admit as much.

    Here’s an exceprt from the gay Canadian magazine Xtra, Feb 17th, 2009 –

    Over the past 10 years [Health Canada and the Public Health Agency of Canada] have contracted with experts on gay, lesbian, bisexual health to produce studies [using public health care dollars] on the many health issues that are endemic to our community and ask for recommendations how to address those issues,… The report’s list of health issues affecting queer Canadians includes lower life expectancy than the average Canadian, suicide, higher rates of substance abuse, depression, inadequate access to care and HIV/AIDS… There are all kinds of health issues that are endemic to our community…We have higher rates of anal cancer in the gay male community, lesbians have higher rates of breast cancer …the reality is there is more GLBT people in this country who die of suicide each year than die from AIDS, there are more who die early deaths from substance abuse than die of HIV/AIDS….It seems that… now that we can get married everyone assumes that we don’t have any issues any more. A lot of the deaths that occur in our community are hidden, we don’t see them. Those of us who are working on the front lines see them and I’m tired of watching my community die”

    And this from their own studies –

    Life expectancy of gay/bisexual men in Canada is 20 years less than the average; that is 55 years.
    GLB people commit suicide at rates from 2 to 13.9 times more often than average.
    GLB people have smoking rates 1.3 to 3 times higher than average.
    GLB people have rates of alcoholism 1.4 to 7 times higher than average.
    GLB people have rates of illicit drug use 1.6 to 19 times higher than average.
    GLB people show rates of depression 1.8 to 3 times higher than average.
    Gay and bisexual men (MSM) comprise 76.1% of AIDS cases.
    Gay and bisexual men (MSM) comprise 54% of new HIV infections each year.
    If one uses Statistics Canada figure of 1.7% of GLB becoming infected, that is 26 times higher than average.
    GLB people are at a higher risk for anal cancers.

    For the exact quotes, please see pages 3 and 4 of the HRC complaint.
    Click LINK for the whole original HRC complaint document.

    But it’s not harmful, right?

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  105. Fletch (6,395 comments) says:

    I have argued on here many times about the homosexual and paedophile “desire” either both being orientations, or neither being orientations. It seems like the progressive community is open to making paedophilia an orientation and taking it off the list of disorders (which it is a disorder at the moment). If they are arguing for homosexual desire being an orientation, then there’s really little they can argue against in not accepting Paedophilia in the same way as well.

    Not forgetting that the “zoo” crowd (attraction to animals) is looking for acceptance as well.

    To be honest, I do not subscribe to the orientation theory. I think it’s either a preference, a result of environment or an event growing up, or else some kind of inclination like alcoholism.

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  106. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    @kowtow

    “I’d be more worried about the NZ economy going down the gurgler when that place goes bung than some glowing tuna tins.”

    I second that. Then there is India.
    How are the free trade agreement negotiations going with India.

    About the ‘radioactive’ tuna….

    The levels of radioactive cesium were 10 times higher than the amount measured in tuna off the California coast in previous years. But even so, that’s still far below safe-to-eat limits set by the US and Japanese governments.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10809238

    According to the study, the isotopes cesium 134 and 137 were found in 15 bluefin tuna caught off San Diego, California, last August. The cesium 134 reading was 4 becquerels per kilogram and cesium 137 reading was 6.3 becquerels per kilogram. Cesium 134 has a half-life of two years and cesium 137 a half-life of 30 years

    Now before you start screaming…..
    The average radioactivity of bananas from potassium-40 (half life 1.3 billion years, decay energy 1.3 MeV) is 130 Bq/kg

    So a banana is about 30 times more radioactive than the tuna.

    But then, do the luddite, scaremongering, econazis ever care about the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

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  107. MikeMan (172 comments) says:

    Fletch

    How much of that issue comes from the persecution and lack of acceptance from the rest of “Civilised” society?

    From page 3 of the linked file

    There are many factors causing a lower life expectancy
    for GLB Canadians, with the social isolation
    and marginalization caused by homophobia and heterosexism
    at the top of the list of major stressors in their lives

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  108. Fletch (6,395 comments) says:

    MikeMan, I don’t buy that. In places like San Francisco and the Netherlands where gay sex is normalized, the stats are worse, so I have difficulty with the theory that the cause is Homophobia. And Canada has had legalized gay marriage the longest.

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  109. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    So Fletch, how long have you been a subscriber to that magazine!!??

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  110. MikeMan (172 comments) says:

    Fletch

    While a GLB lifestyle may not be a stoning offence in San Francisco I do not believe that there is a city in the US that has “Normalized” a GLB lifestyle.

    You will find bigots and homophobes in San Francisco almost as easily as in Alabama if you look for it, how many people use “Gay” as a derogatory term?

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  111. Fletch (6,395 comments) says:

    MikeMan, I believe the derogatory term is more Ghey than Gay.

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  112. Fletch (6,395 comments) says:

    davincimode, what magazine?

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  113. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    Fletch:But it’s not harmful, right?

    You’re misunderstanding the claim. Homosexuality is not harmful to others, unlike paedophilia.

    It seems like the progressive community is open to making paedophilia an orientation and taking it off the list of disorders

    I see no evidence of this.

    To be honest, I do not subscribe to the orientation theory. I think it’s either a preference, a result of environment or an event growing up, or else some kind of inclination like alcoholism.

    So how does upbringing cause biological differences?

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  114. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Fletch

    The source document for your 4.09pm

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  115. publicwatchdog (2,597 comments) says:

    Graham as you are someone who continues to repeat the following unsubstantiated allegations about myself – do YOU really expect to be taken seriously? ” …

    : as somebody who has STOLEN water, encouraged others to STEAL water, STOLEN electricity (as part of the Occupy movement), and VANDALISED AND DEFACED the billboards of her opponents when standing for public office, proceeds to call other people ‘dodgy’ and calls into question the perception of the level of corruption in New Zealand, do you really expect to be taken seriously?”

    Where are my convictions for these alleged offences Graham?

    Got some Court judgments to substantiate your allegations?

    If not- I suggest that you quit while you’re behind?

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

    PS: Increasing numbers of folk are taking what I am saying about corruption in NZ – VERY seriously ………

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  116. Fletch (6,395 comments) says:

    davincimode,

    lol, no, I don’t.

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  117. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Hang on a minute strange waterwoman, are you saying that people have only broken the law if they have been convicted?

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  118. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Oh really? ;)

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  119. Manolo (13,783 comments) says:

    One was wearing a bikini FFS.

    davincimode, what do you have against bikini-clad women? I trust you’re not a member of the Charlie Chauvel/Darren Hughes brigade, are you? :D

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  120. slijmbal (1,236 comments) says:

    @nasska

    “I followed through on your suggestion. As near as I can make out a kilo of bananas contains 15 Bq of radiation…..a kilo of the blue fin tuna caught off the States recently was reported as containing 4 Bq. Does this sound about right?”

    I cannot confirm if that is true as I cannot frankly be a****d doing the conversion – so thanks for that. It’s also not a straightforward conversion as radiation and its effects is measured in several different and confusing manners.

    It does sound about right however, as many of the radiation levels published in the media don’t qualify their relative safety. On investigation it is frequently less dangerous to eat/bathe in/rub in to your skin (insert chicken little radioactive substance here) than eating a lot of bananas. Not that eating bananas has a noticeable effect on life expectancy owing to excessive radiation.

    If we used the banana equivalent dose as the universal standard the everyday punter would start to understand the line of bs they are being served.

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  121. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    thedavincimode

    You don’t think that he might buy it regularly…..from under the counter….. in a brown paper bag……just for the research you understand?

    Truly, young ‘Fletch’ has much to reveal. :)

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  122. RRM (9,924 comments) says:

    Friend who is driving thru the Bay of Plenty just told me all about how devastated the whole area is with the PSA virus. I had no idea, I’m from Rotorua but haven’t been back in that part of the world for quite a while.

    I think there would be good grounds for the Govt to investigate the effectiveness of some of these govt departments that we have been paying for years to take care of stuff for us, who appear to have failed quite dismally when the real test came.

    Why are we paying to have officious little “Biosecurity” Fuhrers at the airport, with uniforms and powers to search all your stuff to make sure you aren’t bringing in any unbleached tea leaves, and fining you for your transgressions if you are? They have failed to prevent the PSA outbreak in the Bay of Plenty that has stuffed a whole industry and a whole region.

    Why do we have heritage people ordering property owners that they must do THIS and THIS and THIS with old buildings they own, in the name of preserving the cultural fabric of our heritage, when they have failed to protect the #1 most iconic heritage building in New Zealand, the Chch Cathedral?

    I’m reaspnably left and a firm believer that the state should do more than just provide laws and enforcement, the village must take care of its weak and its sick and its blameless victims as well.

    But CLEARLY a lot of this stuff that we are paying billions of dollars for does not function, and all we are doing is providing safe salaried jobs for a hell of a lot of people that can’t quite make it in real jobs where the customer must be taken care of.

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  123. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    @slijmbal

    ““I followed through on your suggestion. As near as I can make out a kilo of bananas contains 15 Bq of radiation…..a kilo of the blue fin tuna caught off the States recently was reported as containing 4 Bq. Does this sound about right?”

    See my post at
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/07/general_debate_6_july_2012.html#comment-993871
    The average radioactivity of bananas from potassium-40 (half life 1.3 billion years, decay energy 1.3 MeV) is 130 Bq/kg

    For something funny (?) read:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/04/02/japan-bans-bananas-from-the-annals-of-government-stupidity/

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  124. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Manolo

    [splutter font] No! [whisper font] but don’t tell m’baiter.

    I was simply making the point to nasska that there were far more important things going in the world than the prospect of him being able to dispense with his pantry light due to the glow from his cans of radioactive tuna.

    nasska

    The old Patricia Bartlett ploy!

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  125. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    slijmbal

    Thanks. The point I was originally trying to make, albeit unsuccessfully, was that the average person on the street isn’t much wiser about danger levels of radiation than me. It would be helpful if our MSM could inform rather than completely ignore the subject or bang on about the sky falling in.

    A little too much to hope for I guess.

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  126. Fletch (6,395 comments) says:

    davinchi/naaska, one doesn’t need to buy a newspaper to quote from it.
    I quoted from David MacDonald’s site, if you must know.

    I thought it would carry more weight if I quoted what gays thought about in regards to their own health, rather than quoting a conservative.

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  127. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    Fletch

    Yeah….okay, we’ll believe you.

    This time. :)

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  128. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    RRM

    I’ve heard some comment/criticism on the radio in the course of today or yesterday to the effect that we need to re-prioritise our bio-security targeting in terms of the stuff [fuck-me-get-this!! font] we decide to let in. I got the impression that MAF were being criticised because PSA wasn’t [splutter/pull-your-hair-out font] higher up the list!! [knock head against wall font] FFS!!

    I’m certainly no bio-security expert type wallah, but I was left feeling somewhat uncomfortable about the prospect that some bio-mandarin type is making decisions to the effect of not bothering about some of these bugs. I say, keep the fucking lot out and buggar the expense. Maybe Scott Qwiss can provide some expert insight on this decision-making process.

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  129. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    Fletch

    Have you not heard?

    Quoting gays can make you gay.

    … if you must know

    Sounds like you’re on the way! :)

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  130. Manolo (13,783 comments) says:

    From a demented dictator to a group of violent fundamentalists: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/9379022/Libya-elections-Muslim-Brotherhood-set-to-lead-government.html

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  131. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    “…um..!..he was just elected..in a democratic election…

    ..a first for egypt..

    ..but don’t let the/any facts get in the way of yr bullshit…eh..?

    ..phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  132. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    eewwurghhh … urgh uck :(

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  133. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    thedavincimode

    It would seem that the problem is more widespread than we thought. Fortunately thanks to Google help may be at hand (so to speak).

    Ref: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20101003172638AAHobGH

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  134. slijmbal (1,236 comments) says:

    @Other Andy

    missed your post – rushing

    yes radioactivity is rarely reported in a reasonable fashion

    what is even more ironic is that there is sufficient correlation between increased life expectancy and slightly raised levels of radiation to indicate that it may have a beneficial effect at low levels – maybe we should thank the Japanese for increasing our life expectancy.

    Live in a granite house, sit in front of a coal fire, eat lots of bananas all cause marginal increases in ‘local’ radiation levels.

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  135. Leaping Jimmy (16,472 comments) says:

    I just heard on Checkpoint they’ve isolated the RSA DNA which has allowed them to identify the sample and particular batch which came into Te Puke from a named province in China and the quarantine rules had been previously relaxed, the pollen from that batch wasn’t milled to destroy PSA, as had previously been regulated.

    Thus the destruction of Te Puke’s economy for a long long time to come. Not to mention the rest of the entire NZ Kiwifruit industry.

    Right.

    Who the fuck decided it would be a good idea not to mill the pollen from batches of Kiwifruit pollen coming in from anywhere, let alone from any fucking province in any fucking country which already had PSA?

    And I don’t give a fuck which party they are from. This minister needs to lose their pension, in fact they need to be sentenced to imprisonment and to being fucked up the arse by prisoner volunteers every night for the next forty years, for deciding what they did, which has caused this problem.

    Ministers need to learn, they aren’t there to look pretty and massage their fucking egos.

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  136. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    Oops. Poll by Iranian state TV accidentally reveals that most Iranians want nuclear program stopped.

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  137. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    @slijmbal

    “what is even more ironic is that there is sufficient correlation between increased life expectancy and slightly raised levels of radiation to indicate that it may have a beneficial effect at low levels – maybe we should thank the Japanese for increasing our life expectancy.”

    I thought you were joking…

    Then I read about Ramsar in Iran, a town which has the highest level of background radiation in the world.
    Not conclusive but some claim that residents have healthier and longer lives because of the radiation.
    Learn something new every day.

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  138. David Garrett (7,292 comments) says:

    Davinci: I am interpreting arright? Do you have unpleasant images in your mind whenever TGM “says” something on here?

    Phool: You never did explain the absence of ….eh?…

    for two days or its reappearance …do tell us old boy…

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  139. slijmbal (1,236 comments) says:

    @ Other andy @ 6:27

    there is quite a lot of material about the possible beneficial effects of slightly raised levels of background radiation. Whether causation or correlation needs more work especially as the best explanation to date is that it may stimulate various immune type mechanisms. Rather vague. The correlation does appear to be true however.

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  140. Weihana (4,537 comments) says:

    Fletch (3,032) Says:
    July 6th, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    Homosexuality is tolerated because it is not harmful.

    Whoa there, says who?

    Of course it’s harmful. Even gays admit as much.

    What I meant was that it was not harmful TO OTHERS. I thought the context would have made that clear. The distinction is that it does not require the participation of naive, immature and non-consenting third parties who suffer harm from their exploitation.

    The “harm” you refer to is more in-line with the harm of cigarettes or alcohol. Whatever you call it, it is a personal choice to indulge in the activity. It’s also worth noting that a substantial portion of the harm which you link with homosexuality (e.g. suicide) is likely impacted by the the type of intolerance which is so often displayed in these forums. People might not want to kill themselves if their sexual orientation did not make them have to give up their family and/or make them a social outcast.

    Though I don’t blame anyone but gay men for their high rates of HIV. Indeed this is perhaps a good reason why the “institution of marriage” should be promoted for gay men in order to encourage more stable and genuine relationships.

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  141. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    nasska

    Thanks for thats. What’s the link for getting beer off a laptop monitor & keyboard?

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  142. David Garrett (7,292 comments) says:

    Weihana:…I have long thought you a sensible leftie..i.e one who has a fairly firm grip on the real world…But…

    Let me “share” with you my experience as a straight guy who has been comfortably around gay men for 30 odd years….they don’t WANT to be monogamous and have “stable and genuine relationships”…if there were any honest gay men here they would tell you: part of the whole “culture” is shagging as many different guys as possible – usually safely these days, but not always – no matter how “committed” the relationship is…

    I have a couple of gay friends…they have been together more than 30 years…one is monogamous, the other gets it wherever he can…THAT is as “committed” as it gets among gay guys….whether that is good bad or indifferent is a whole different issue…but that is the reality…

    I defy any genuine gay men to come on here and say the above is untrue…

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  143. Weihana (4,537 comments) says:

    Fletch (3,032) Says:
    July 6th, 2012 at 4:18 pm

    I have argued on here many times about the homosexual and paedophile “desire” either both being orientations, or neither being orientations. It seems like the progressive community is open to making paedophilia an orientation and taking it off the list of disorders (which it is a disorder at the moment). If they are arguing for homosexual desire being an orientation, then there’s really little they can argue against in not accepting Paedophilia in the same way as well.

    Of course there is reason for not accepting it. A person may be born a delusional psychopath. Doesn’t mean we have to accept their murderous rampages. We may be sympathetic that they cannot change what they are, but we can still justifiably lock them up if necessary to protect other people. If they’re lucky we’ll develop a remedy for their problem. If not, oh well.

    To be honest, I do not subscribe to the orientation theory. I think it’s either a preference, a result of environment or an event growing up, or else some kind of inclination like alcoholism.

    The fact that people engage in such activity despite strong social opposition and criminal sanctions suggest that individuals cannot control it. Who would CHOOSE to be a homosexual in Iran when the penalty is death? Yet people do it and suffer the consequences despite the fact that if it was purely a choice then they could just as easily have a happy life with a woman.

    But for me it’s not important whether or not you term it an “orientation”. What’s important is whether it is a violation of someone else’s rights. Homosexuality is not therefore I do not preach to them on how to live their life.

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  144. Leaping Jimmy (16,472 comments) says:

    I realise that the intimate details of man-man sex may be difficult to compete with, but with trepidation I offer the [arguably evil] Scientology Compound possibli [when I use possibli instead of possibly it means I'm being arguable, if you hadn't picked that up before] at the heart of Tom and Katie’s divorce processes, for no particular reason other than to change the subject.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2168225/Tom-Cruise-Katie-Holmes-divorce-Inside-Scientologys-Sea-Org-Suri-faced-joining.html

    And isn’t it ironic that Scientology cleanses our thoughts – well let’s hope so.

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  145. Weihana (4,537 comments) says:

    David Garrett,

    I don’t want to reject what you are saying because it’s just common sense that men (gay or straight) want to sleep around. But I do know gay men (a minority perhaps) who are in monogamous relationships. Perhaps an analogy would be that not every straight man cheats on his woman even if the opportunity arises.

    But I do concede it was a rubbish argument to suggest that gay marriage would change the behaviour of gay males to any significant degree.

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  146. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    Penny at 5:19

    What thedavincimode said at 5:22 pm. As we all know, many of your allegations against people such as John Banks have been dismissed time and again. Hence, by your own logic, John Banks is innocent. I win. :)

    But slightly more seriously – it is very well known that you have committed these offences, Penny. There is a huge amount of video evidence and written evidence. You have admitted to ALL of these offences yourself at one time or another, as I (and others) have shown in the past.

    To take just one example – you have posted a load of photos on at least one of your websites of you VANDALISING and DEFACING the billboards of John Banks while you were running for public office. How can you possibly deny it? You’ve always seemed so proud of it previously.

    Are you finally starting to realise that, far from being a ‘public watchdog’, what you have done makes you little more than a common vandal?

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  147. David Garrett (7,292 comments) says:

    Weihana: I have no idea of your gender..for some reason I think you are female…

    I hear what you are saying re “not every straight man cheats on his woman if the opportunity arises”, and I agree that that is so…it has actually surprised me in my life just how many guys there are who are genuinely monogamous, to the point where even if “the missus will never know”, they don’t cheat…

    But again, I challenge any genuine gay man to come here and say the same applies to gay “monogamous” couples…that is certainly very far from my experience…admittedly as an interested observer and not a participant…

    It has long slipped my mind where I heard this, but I recall reading once “every (straight) man wants to sleep with every woman n the world…once” lotta truth in that…

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  148. Leaping Jimmy (16,472 comments) says:

    Are you finally starting to realise that, far from being a ‘public watchdog’, what you have done makes you little more than a common vandal?

    graham is it possible for you to make a citizen’s arrest of Penny and present her at the local Police Station forthwith?

    I’d do it myself if Penny was living or currently in or around Eastbourne, Wellington at this moment in time. Penny please make yourself known if that’s the case and I shall execute due process with gay abandon, as I believe all good citizens are duty-bound to do.

    As a watchdog I’m sure you appreciate the necessity for graham or I to execute your ‘take-down’ with maximum force lest you try to immolate yourself as many of your ilk do, at least according to the intelligence which SIS feeds we VVCF (Volunteer Vigilante Citizen Force).

    graham you may or may not be involved in the VVCF, I’m just assuming you would be, it’s such fun. Especially the tasers, that’s really good. It must hurt like hell. Why these people force us to use them on them simply because they refuse to learn, I have no idea.

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  149. princetipytoe (47 comments) says:

    Garrett
    Your writing style and the Sunday roast events are identical to the so called Graham old chap?

    Your ex is religious from Tonga and would say grace on Sunday, is that right ?

    David Garrett (2,174) Says:
    July 1st, 2012 at 9:29 am
    Sorry chaps….you are all absolutely right…it’s just I have always been a bit of a sucker for a mystery, and the reason for those mysterious two days of peace intrigues me…All the more so because of his complete refusal to enlighten us…
    But now I shall attend to rustic rural pursuits beginning with bottling ginger beer with the children, getting the Sunday roast going (their Mother is a guest) and weather permitting, planting some trees and doing some weeding…
    Yes campers, everything you have heard about right wingers wishing to cut down every tree we see and otherwise lay waste to the environment is, like much else claimed about us, utter bullshit….
    Have a good Sunday GD….
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/07/general_debate_3_july_2012.html
    Graham (1,010) Says:
    July 3rd, 2012 at 7:24 pm
    Nasska and DG: It’s that time of the year, what with the miserable weather. We had some friends around on the weekend, and they helped us devour the hind leg of one of my well-cared-for animals. Along with roast potatoes, kumara, veges, mint sauce … mmmmm.
    (And just to p!ss off some of ya – yes we said grace before partaking).
    On another note – how many clones have you supposedly made of yourself David? It occurred to me, you should total up all the comments all those mini-DGs have made and see if you break the Kiwiblog record for most prolific commenter!

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  150. Steve (North Shore) (4,563 comments) says:

    Fucking hell, who wooda thunk it? There are two people who post about ‘Sunday Roasts’
    That is just soooooo amazing miniphool.
    Hang about, Johnboy has sunday roasts, I do as as well, are you cherypicking you little twerp?

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  151. princetipytoe (47 comments) says:

    SNS

    just like clock work

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  152. Scott Chris (6,139 comments) says:

    But I do concede it was a rubbish argument to suggest that gay marriage would change the behaviour of gay males to any significant degree.

    Yeah probably. But by the same token marriage is generally held to be, amongst other things an expression of the desire to commit to a monogamous relationship. You’d think that those who are in favour of monogamy would welcome gays into the club.

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  153. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    LJ

    As you are aware the Tasers in use in NZ have a small video camera which must be operational before firing. Should your number be drawn from the VVCF hat & you win the chance to make the arrest would it be possible for you to upload the video to UTube.

    It would instantly go viral.

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  154. Steve (North Shore) (4,563 comments) says:

    Good that you understand little boy. The old fools including Phool are not that old – or silly like the young know it alls.
    Messege to your Dad, Life has no remote, get up and change it yourself.

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  155. Scott Chris (6,139 comments) says:

    Weihana: I have no idea of your gender..for some reason I think you are female…

    Weihana, I think Garrett might be coming on to you….

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  156. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    The dentist was called away from the dinner table to take an urgent
    phone call. It was Mr. Tuckerman, explaining that young Junior had
    gotten himself into quite a fix. “See, he was kissing his girlfriend,
    and when my wife and I came back from the pictures we found
    them stuck together.”

    “I’ll come right over, Mr. Tuckerman,” said the dentist calmly,
    “and don’t worry about a thing. I have to unlock teenagers’
    braces all the time.”

    Mr. Tuckerman whispered, “Yes, but from an IUD?”

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  157. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    kowtow (2,165) Says:
    July 6th, 2012 at 10:09 am

    haha

    hj slagging off Singapore for providing first class housing for it’s citizens.

    He should blame those evil white colonial masters . They started it,same in Hong Kong.
    ………
    I wasn’t slagging Singapore; I thought it is a great idea that the state is the landlord.

    “I remembered visiting the ghastly Pruitt-Igoe project in St. Louis before it was abandoned, blasts of dynamite reducing it to rubble.

    So it’s obvious: government can make dire mistakes — as we Americans indeed proved with our callous placement of public housing in isolated neighborhoods, deprived of connections and services. But as Singapore illustrates, government can perform social and physical miracles too. Ultimately the issue’s not government — it is us.”
    http://ecocentric.blogs.time.com/2012/06/25/surfs-up-sea-levels-are-rising-faster-on-the-u-s-east-coast/

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  158. Weihana (4,537 comments) says:

    David,

    I’m male. Maybe not the most masculine of men but I do my best. :)

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  159. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    Other_Andy (1,756) Says:
    July 6th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    @hj

    Love your link hj.
    Did you read the article?
    This is a good one..
    “.. a U.S. Geological Survey report that found sea levels already are rising more quickly along the East Coast from Massachusetts to North Carolina than they are globally.”
    You wanna explain that?

    And before you reply, you do realise that the continental US is just under 1.6% of the total surface of the earth and under 5.5% of the total land mass?
    ……….

    I wondered about that but, I figured there would be an answer:

    “While it seems intuitive that the rate of sea level rise would be relatively constant around the globe as glaciers and ice caps melt and raise ocean water volume, there are other things that override this eustatic change. Sea levels have typically been low near the east coast of North America, particularly along the very stretch examined in this study. This is because the salty, dense water moving north to Canada and Greenland along the east coast sinks as it loses heat to the atmosphere, and then moves equatorward in a loop of heat transfer called the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Current, or AMOC – thus keeping sea levels low. But global warming up in the Arctic – where average temperatures are increasing twice as quickly as they are in the rest of the world – is melting polar and Greenland ice, and the freshwater from these melts settles on top of the saltwater because of the low salt content and thus low density of freshwater. This insulates the northward-moving water from losing heat to the atmosphere so that it can’t sink and move south as it usually does.”

    Read more: http://ecocentric.blogs.time.com/2012/06/25/surfs-up-sea-levels-are-rising-faster-on-the-u-s-east-coast/#ixzz1zpNUD92B

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  160. Weihana (4,537 comments) says:

    Scott Chris,

    Weihana, I think Garrett might be coming on to you….

    O my… *blush* :)

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  161. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    hj

    the whole tone of your post was dismissive.

    you might think public housing is great….but you clearly don’t like the landlord involved. That’s not how it works.

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  162. Steve (North Shore) (4,563 comments) says:

    Hey Scott, credit when it is due. Thanks for the guitar link :)

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  163. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    Hey, I was wondering when princetipytoe was going to repost that! He first posted it at around 12:30 or so, then it mysteriously disappeared.

    What can I say? Tremendous detective work there, princetipytoe. Based on the subtle clue that David Garrett and I have both posted about a Sunday roast (well actually, mine was on a Friday night, but don’t let that worry you), you’ve worked out we are in fact one and the same person. Well done.

    Just two small problems.

    One – nobody actually cares.

    Two – there are some minor differences which you might need to work on. Such as, DG posts under his full name, while I keep mine hidden; DG is a well-known ex-MP, whereas I’m not; DG is (as far as I know) no longer married, but I am still happily married; DG is known to be non-religious, whereas I have often posted in favour of God and made it known that I am an Anglican; his ex-wife is Tongan (according to you), whilst my (still married) wife is English; his children’s wife was a guest at the Sunday roast, my daughter’s mother was the chief cook; DG usually refers to philu as ‘Phool’ which you will notice I never have (I always refer to him as ‘philu’); DG has attended University, whereas I haven’t; and DG referred earlier to having seen a psychiatrist, which I never have.

    But apart from that – you’ve got it sewn up. Congrats.

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  164. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

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  165. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    but you clearly don’t like the landlord involved.
    …….
    That’s what you assume.

    “It even checks your ethnicity — every housing area has a set balance among the leading local ancestries — Chinese, Malay and Indian.”
    …….
    I wouldn’t disagree with that. It is better than a situation where Chinese clan dynamics see one group own the lions share of the housing.

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  166. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    What’s with prince what’s her name submitting then deleting comments?

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  167. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    graham

    Okay, there’s a few inconsistencies in Prince’s summing up but none that wouldn’t be explained away by what happened the other day. Scientists in their rush to prove the existence of the “God Particle” have pushed the Hadron Collider too hard.

    This has accidentally created a portal into an alternate universe, where everything is exactly the opposite of reality…

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  168. princetipytoe (47 comments) says:

    Weekend a Friday ?.

    (well actually, mine was on a Friday night, but don’t let that worry you),

    We had some friends around on the weekend, and they helped us devour the hind leg of one of my well-cared-for animals. Along with roast potatoes, kumara, veges, mint sauce … mmmmm.

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  169. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    I like the idea of the state as landlord. It is usually assumed the state do a bad job: the late Owen McShane used Eastern Europe as an example of state development and Hugh Pavletich is pushing the idea that private enterprise always does the best job. In the case of Singapore they have periodic urban renewal which is better that letting areas degenerate until hold-out home owners skelper in fear.

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  170. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    mikenmild

    Probably thinks that DPF won’t be able to check back & find that the wanker has been banned permanently under another pseudonym.

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  171. nasska (11,525 comments) says:

    mikenmild

    ….” Denis (65) Says:
    April 21st, 2012 at 2:31 pm

    Garth Mcvicar displays on his web site as a product of Rape.

    No concern of his birth mother

    [DPF: Your obsession has polluted the thread long enough. Good Bye] “…….

    Ring any bells?

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  172. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Denis does seem familiar

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  173. hj (7,023 comments) says:

    What’s with prince what’s her name submitting then deleting comments?
    ….
    I always thought Greenfly was a woman.

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  174. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    greenfly was/is a man..

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  175. Steve (North Shore) (4,563 comments) says:

    Na, blowfly was quite a diffent type of arsehole hj

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  176. Steve (North Shore) (4,563 comments) says:

    oh Phool, while you are there you can answer questions right? be a good Kiwiblogger and just answer one, and one only

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  177. Steve (North Shore) (4,563 comments) says:

    The question is:
    “What is the weekly/fortnightly/monthly amount that you spend on cannibis or other drugs?”
    Many want to know, considering that the TAXPAYER pays you Phool

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  178. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    greenfly was/is funny…

    ..one of the funniest commenters here..ever..

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  179. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    unlike..say…

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  180. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    oh look..!..graham has gone..but steve is back…

    ..doing his copying garrett routine…

    ..and trying to outdo/better grahams’ impersonation..

    ..they must be such fans..

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  181. Steve (North Shore) (4,563 comments) says:

    :) you realy are a fucked up unit Mr Ure.
    Not answering questions today?

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  182. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    Here is a government that doesn’t understand return on investment:

    Greece unable to collect €12.6bn fines due to lack of staff

    The Greek government has been unable to collect €12.6bn in court-ordered tax fines because it has cut too many staff.

    The figure amounts to 6.2pc of the debt-stricken country’s GDP, Ekathimerini reported, citing data posted on the website of the Finance Ministry’s General Secretariat of Information Systems.

    The report comes as Prime Minister Antonis Samaras today presents his economic plans for a country mired in a fifth year of recession despite two international bailouts and a raft of reforms.

    As Greece struggles with an unemployment rate of 22.6pc, the country’s tax collection mechanism has only managed to take in €630m – 4.77pc of the total €13.2bn fines – due to being understaffed and the absence of electronic applications.

    I guess to be fair their government knows that collecting many of these fines would result in retirements, or hardship grant claims which were only made possible by a previous government bribing their way into office.

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  183. Steve (North Shore) (4,563 comments) says:

    How is the sale going Mr Ure? Your News Aggregation Collective that you are going to sell to the Americans?
    You will never have to WORK again, opps, hang about, you don’t do any fucking WORK now

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  184. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    Observe philu back-pedalling. No longer is DG posting under pseudonyms; now apparently it’s just that people are imitating him.

    Meanwhile, DG himself hasn’t posted for a while, so obviously either:

    (a) He is posting under an alias and making sure he keeps it all straight, or
    (b) He actually has a life away from the computer (like 99.99% of us) and is simply doing something else.

    Whaddaya reckon, philu?

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  185. Other_Andy (2,676 comments) says:

    @hj

    Thanks for your reply.
    Before I reply I just have to ‘correct’ on of the statements made by ‘Ecocentric’ (What a snappy and clever name, gives you the warm caring fuzzies all over..).

    “….But global warming up in the Arctic – where average temperatures are increasing twice as quickly as they are in the rest of the world……”

    As with most of the throw-away statements issued by these ‘eco’ groups, while there is some truth in the statement, the statement itself is completely false (the usual modus operandi). It is true that (According to the data) the average temperature in the Northern Hemisphere is slightly rising (We are talking tenths of degrees centigrade here.), while the average temperature in the Southern Hemisphere is going down. However, the global average temperatures over the last decade have not risen and trends are going down. Don’t take my word for it, look at the data from NASA, the NOAA the UK Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit.

    Now for the change in sea levels.
    It is a fact that global sea levels have been rising for the last 18 thousand years (Give or take away a few hundred), since the last ice age. For the last few thousand years the change has (On average) been 2 mm a year. Average means that rises have not been uniform, some places rise slower than other places. This is usually due to short term and periodic changes such as rising and sinking of land, atmospheric pressure, ocean currents and local ocean temperature changes. The fresh water theory is new to me. While I won’t reject it, it sounds a bit iffy to me. The reason for my skepticism is that this sea rise ‘anomaly’ was reported in a paper by Sallenger named ‘Hotspot of Accelerated Sea Level Rise on the Atlantic Coast of North America.’. Sallenger contributes this ‘anomaly’ (It is an anomaly because it has only happened since 1990) to an ‘Alantic hotspot’ and not to fresh water from the Arctic. So I don’t know where the author of the ‘Ecocentric’ article got his theory from.
    Then I suppose the message (Doom, gloom.) is more important than the reality and the data……..

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  186. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    both steve and graham are both very fond of the occaisonal word in upper-case..

    ..aren’t they..?

    .i think they both think it gives their words some sort of emphasis..

    ..maybe they went to the same school..?

    .and so both/all learnt it there…?

    ..d’yareckon..?

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  187. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    both steve and graham are both very fond of the occaisonal word in upper-case

    This coming from someone who wouldn’t know an upper case unless it was a ‘P’

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  188. Steve (North Shore) (4,563 comments) says:

    I’m going to have some desert with all of that yummy stuff which contains alcohol.
    Goodnight from Steve, Big Bruv, David Garrett, Nasska, Johnboy, Scott, Mike, Fletch, -well too many to mention.

    But you are on your own Phool, just you and miniphool, what a sad piece of shit you have become.
    ttfn, I will be back

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  189. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Results from 7 cohort studies showed a 40% increased risk of psychosis in cannabis users compared with nonusers. The data also revealed a dose-response effect—the risk of psychotic symptoms was increased approximately 50% to 200% in those who used cannabis frequently compared with nonusers.
    http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/schizophrenia/content/article/10168/2017327?pageNumber=2

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  190. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    funny story..!

    that guy garrett also does that uppercase word thang..

    ..maybe he went to the same school too..?

    ..as the others..?

    i’ll leave you with that thought…eh..?

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  191. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    and they all seem to be quite drunk by this time on a fri nite…eh..?

    all slurring their comments..random outbursts of aggression..

    ..and all that..

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  192. philu (13,393 comments) says:

    (then of course there is the latest research..)

    http://whoar.co.nz/2012/study-marijuana-linked-to-lower-mortality-rate-for-patients-with-psychotic-disorders/

    “..The use of cannabis is associated with lower mortality risk in patients with schizophrenia and related psychotic disorders – according to a forthcoming study to be published in the Journal of Psychiatric Research. (Read the abstract of the study online here.)

    An international team of investigators from the University of Maryland School of Medicine and Inje University in South Korea assessed the impact of a lifetime history substance use on mortality in 762 subjects with schizophrenia or related disorders.

    Researchers reported, “[W]e observed a lower mortality risk-adjusted variable in cannabis-users compared to cannabis non-users – despite subjects having similar symptoms and anti-psychotic treatments.”

    Authors speculated that the association between marijuana use and decreased mortality risk may be because “cannabis users may (be) higher functioning” –

    – and because “cannabis itself may have some health benefits.”

    They concluded: “To our knowledge, this is one of the first studies to examine the risk of mortality with cannabis and alcohol in people with PD (psychotic disorders).

    This interesting finding of decreased mortality risk … in cannabis users – is a novel finding..”

    (cont..)

    phillip ure whoar.co.nz

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  193. David Garrett (7,292 comments) says:

    …But you never did answer the question phool…

    “How much of your benefit do you spend on cannabis per week/month?”

    As others have observed this is one question we have a right to know the answer to since the taxpayers supply the money for the gummint to pay you…

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  194. Manolo (13,783 comments) says:

    Volatility rules: http://www.cnbc.com/id/48093560

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  195. Manolo (13,783 comments) says:

    I’ve been told mikeandmild is writing something similar praising comrade Clark: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/06/north-korea-kim-jong-un-song

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