Racism?

July 15th, 2012 at 10:34 am by David Farrar

The HoS reports:

official Bronwyn Cross interjected at the meeting, describing the idea of placing the new schools in impoverished areas of south Auckland and Porirua as .

Trying to improve educational outcomes in South Auckland and Porirua is now racism. Really?

But the PPTA opposed the idea of sponsorship. Bunker said: “If there are commercial people out there wanting to contribute to the school system, they’d be better to pay additional taxes actually.”

How dare commercial people want to help local school kids. Does the PPTA also advocate no businesses donate items for school auctions?

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27 Responses to “Racism?”

  1. mikenmild (8,892 comments) says:

    I wonder when Catherine Isaacs will get around to saying exactly how these charter schools might work. My guess is that the government is in no hurry.

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  2. Viking2 (10,736 comments) says:

    Perhaps she should have a look at the new Maori school in Bethlehem in Tga or the The Bethlehm College campus in Bethlehm or the Aquinus campas in Pyes Pa.

    Fucking stupid uneducated dim witted clown. But that’s what most union officials are. we know that because they all go to Parliament.

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  3. Pete George (21,828 comments) says:

    It’s not just doing something that someone somewhere could faintly perceive as possibly disadvantaging a Māori person somewhere that risks getting called racism.

    I’ve posted today about how I feel I have a similar affinity to water as do Māori. I’ve had these responses:

    Te Reo Putake
    Jeez, what a plonker you are, Pete. Way to completely miss the point and belittle maori at the same time.

    marty mars
    yay just what is needed more attempted racial division by pete – if support or understanding from you is the answer then the question is fucked.

    Getting accused of racism for having similar feelings about water – some Māori want to set themselves apart, and attack anyone who suggests any commonality.

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  4. Elaycee (4,084 comments) says:

    “If there are commercial people out there wanting to contribute to the school system, they’d be better to pay additional taxes actually.”

    Another daft comment from an ill informed union hack.

    And I’d love to be close by if she ever had the cheek to repeat this crock of shit statement within earshot of Don Braid and Bruce Plested from Mainfreight….. :P

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  5. dime (8,778 comments) says:

    “If there are commercial people out there wanting to contribute to the school system, they’d be better to pay additional taxes actually.”

    wow. i guess some people speak before thinking

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  6. fish_boy (152 comments) says:

    “…I’d love to be close by if she ever had the cheek to repeat this crock of shit statement within earshot of Don Braid and Bruce Plested from Mainfreight….. :P

    What is that all about? Are you suggesting that as good white men they’d be obliged to give the uppity bitch the backhander she so richly deserves? Nice one, let’s be a women hating advocater of violence all in one sentence.

    “…“If there are commercial people out there wanting to contribute to the school system, they’d be better to pay additional taxes actually…”

    This is a fair point. Tax avoidance by large corporations who then give a fraction of the money they’ve stolen from the public purse back and then lecture people on the generosity of their self-serving sponsorship is cynical hypocrisy typical corporate group think.

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  7. mikenmild (8,892 comments) says:

    Bit of a non-story really. When do we get the details on the wonderful charter schools?

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  8. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    Wow Fish Boy. You’re wetter than a pisshead cricketer’s bed after a night out drinking.

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  9. Other_Andy (2,079 comments) says:

    “Are you suggesting that as good white men they’d be obliged to give the uppity bitch the backhander she so richly deserves? Nice one, let’s be a women hating advocater of violence all in one sentence.”

    And that is your interpretation of that sentence?
    Get some help, you’re one sick puppy fish_boy.

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  10. mara (641 comments) says:

    “If there are commercial people out there ….” who want to directly and financially significantly assist with schooling in areas of known need, they should piss off. Oh jolly good idea comrades. Those in favour ……

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  11. Elaycee (4,084 comments) says:

    “Nice one, let’s be a women hating advocater of violence all in one sentence.”

    @Fish Boy – thank you for proving beyond doubt that you are a first class cock. With comprehension skills to match.

    Before you burst into print next time, why don’t you actually check out the contribution made by Mainfreight to various schools programmes across the country?

    Or doesn’t their considerable community support quite fit with your own ideologically based drivel?

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  12. Mark (1,302 comments) says:

    I wonder if the success of charter schools will be based on lower class sizes? Now that would be a fucking surprise.

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  13. Northland Wahine (551 comments) says:

    fish… i’d like to see her statements to be repeated in front of the families of those whose children attend Bairds Mainfreight Primary school. I’ve no doubt she would be laughed out of the school grounds.

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  14. Mark (1,302 comments) says:

    I am a sceptic about the egalitarian intentions of charter school advocates. If there are corporates out there lining up to sponsor kids education why does it not happen already.

    I have a healthy degree of scepticism that this will not be schools available to all, there is every chance of cherry picking students and leaving the state schools to deal with the rest and then castigating yhe state schools for lower levels of performance.

    I am happy to be proved wrong but I suspect this ACT policy is more about state funding private education that it is about the performance of the bottom 10-20% of the educational achievement spectrum.

    We can only wait and see.

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  15. mikenmild (8,892 comments) says:

    We’ll be waiting a while I suspect. It’s not really in the National Party’s political interests to make much of this now. They have tossed the bone to the ACT lapdog and that will count as progress towards another ‘aspiration’.

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  16. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Let anyone who wishes to start and run a school….and let the market determine their success or failure…as it doeswith all other ventures.

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  17. Psycho Milt (1,985 comments) says:

    Trying to improve educational outcomes in South Auckland and Porirua is now racism. Really?

    It certainly would be an odd opinion if there was any evidence the govt’s educational experiments are likely to improve educational outcomes, but the govt hasn’t presented any. I expect her view that it’s racism comes from the fact that the govt will conduct its experiments using the kids of South Auckland rather than Epsom – which doesn’t make her right, just less silly than DPF is trying to make out.

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  18. OneTrack (1,977 comments) says:

    Fish_boy 11:43

    Far too much information about what your default reaction would be to any women who disagreed with you. Get help.

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  19. bc (1,252 comments) says:

    A rather silly statement from Bronwyn Cross, but who cares what she says? She has no political influence.
    Of greater concern is an even sillier statement from Catherine Isaacs saying that charter schools should recruit students from shopping malls! McCharterschool anyone?
    Not only does Isaacs have obvious political influence, but it seems to contradict the assurance that charter schools can’t cherry-pick. This is more of an issue than anything Cross says.
    Note that DPF makes no mention of this, although it was from the same article.

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  20. scrubone (2,971 comments) says:

    Charter schools will stand or fall on their record.

    Remind me what happens to a state school that fails it’s pupils for years on end? Oh yea, it gets union support to maintain the status quo.

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  21. scrubone (2,971 comments) says:

    It certainly would be an odd opinion if there was any evidence the govt’s educational experiments are likely to improve educational outcomes, but the govt hasn’t presented any.

    Really?

    the fact that the govt will conduct its experiments using the kids of South Auckland rather than Epsom

    I’d call that evidence, myself. It’s not like they’ll make the situation worse now, is it?

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  22. mikenmild (8,892 comments) says:

    Um, tell that to the people involved with schools that have closed for performance reasons.

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  23. kiwi in america (2,336 comments) says:

    Mikenmild
    Name one school that was closed for performance reasons – pretty much every State school that has been closed in NZ was because of falling rolls or excessive costs associated with modernizing school facilities particularly if a suitable school with surplus capacity was close by.

    Fish boy
    Typical lefty anti capitalist rant repleat with the usual assertion that corporates evade tax. If you have specific allegations with respect to Mainfreight’s tax evasion then let’s hear them. Perhaps the reasons why wealthy business people choose to support a charter school is because they see that the proposed school wants to help low socio economic students. Certainly the most successful charter schools here in the US are located in underprivileged areas and are extremely popular with low income African American and/ornHispanic parents who must endure lotteries to get their kids in because opposition by teacher union backed Democrat elected officials means the left will do all they can to block the expansion of charter schools. In the US the amount of per capita spending on state schools has more than doubled even after adjusting for inflation with no appreciable increase in educational outcomes since 1970 and all the left does is clamour for yet higher taxes and yet even more spending to go down poor outcome sink holes. In places like Washington DC and Chicago – cities long dominated by the left – the per capita spending increases are even higher and the outcomes worse.

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  24. Mark (1,302 comments) says:

    scrubone (1,172) Says:
    July 15th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
    Charter schools will stand or fall on their record.

    Remind me what happens to a state school that fails it’s pupils for years on end? Oh yea, it gets union support to maintain the status quo.

    For a start there are ERO reports and school boards. You don’t seem to be prepared to acknowledge that NZ has a world class education system. There are kids at the tail end but if you look at the stats that number has reduced every year since 2005. It should always look for ways to improve but there is nothing that this government has done that suggests they are going to do anything but fuck it up. National standards, which are not consistent or moderated, league tables and charter schools. Outstanding

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  25. mikenmild (8,892 comments) says:

    kia
    I know of at least two schools that have closed – Petone College and Waiwhetu School. Ostensibly these were closed because of falling rolls, but the reality is in these, as in other cases, rolls fall where the school’s management has become dysfunctional.

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  26. schoolsforall (2 comments) says:

    At the risk of unleashing another round of uninformed prejudice, there is plenty of evidence from USA about the racist nature of charter schools. The report “Choice Without Equity: Charter School Segregation and the Need for Civil Rights Standards,” analysed charter schools in 40 states and found that charter schools continue to stratify students by race, class, and possibly language, and are more racially isolated than traditional public schools in virtually every state and large metropolitan area in the country. The University of Minnesota in a report entitled Failed Promises found increased levels of segregation after two decades of charter schools in Twin Cities. The black civil rights organisation, the NAACP has joined with teacher unions to stop charter schools being established in Harlem because they steal resources from public school where most black kids are.

    Basically these schools have been found to increase segregation by the practice of “creaming and cleansing”; choosing the kids who will add most value and kicking out any that don’t. The KIPP chain of charter schools, for example, has been found to have a much higher rate of expulsion of Afro-American boys. In this context, Catherine’s Issac’s claim that an enrolment store in the local mall will overcome the inherent racism in the scheme is just fatuous.

    And don’t forget that charter schools were born out of racism. In USA schools are funded out of local property taxes so the children of blacks and Hispanics attend underfunded and dangerous city schools where they are often taught by untrained and unqualified teachers while the children of whites go to well-endowed schools in the leafy suburbs. Now after years of endorsing the implicit racism in this arrangement, the wealthy white community have set up charter schools (referred to there as “the new polo ponies for the rich”) whereby they may profit from the educational disadvantage they have inflicted on their fellow citizens.

    For the truth about charter schools go to http://www.ppta.org.nz/index.php/-issues-in-education/charter-schools

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  27. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Surely racist charter schools have no place in New Zealand.

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