Adams upgraded to gold

August 14th, 2012 at 8:15 am by David Farrar

One News reports:

says she was overcome with emotion at the news that she has been awarded the Olympic gold medal in the women’s shot put.

Adams has been awarded the medal, after the International Olympic Committee (IOC) announced today that Belarus’s , 33, was excluded from competition following a positive test for metenolone.

“I am speechless with this news. It is taking me some time to take this in,” said Adams from her base in Switzerland.

“It is huge and I am absolutely thrilled of course. It makes me extraordinarily proud as a New Zealander.

“It is also encouraging for those athletes, like myself who are proud to compete cleanly, that the system works and doping cheats are caught,” she said.

The New Zealand Olympic Committee Secretary General Kereyn Smith congratulated Adams on her gold medal and says the honour is well deserved. She added that the vast majority of New Zealand athletes are proud to compete cleanly on the world’s stage. 

New Zealand Chef de Mission Dave Currie said the news was wonderful and he is very proud of Adams.

Adams threw 20.70m in the shot put final at the Olympic Stadium on 6 August and was awarded silver behind the Belarusian who had taken gold with 21.36m. It was the first time Adams had been beaten by Ostapchuk in nearly two years.

Very very pleased for Adams. Thankfully Ostapchuk is the only medalist to fail a drug test to date.

Ostapchuk had been openly speculated about as a drug cheat, due to her sudden improvement in performance, and I’m not sure too many were deeply surprised by the finding.

I was on NewstalkZb with Pam Corkery the day she beat Adams for the gold, and we were asked about possible drug cheating. I was fairly diplomatic and said her improvement has been suspicious but we shouldn’t be bad losers, and give her the benefit of the doubt unless she subsequently fails.

Pam, rather hilariously, said that Ostapchuk should be required to give a semen sample as her drugs test. Both Larry Williams and I took some time to stop laughing. Yes, rather cruel, but also rather funny – and the confirmation Ostapchuk was using Metenolone which has androgenic properties, means that it is self-inflicted.

It is interesting that Ostapchuk passed drugs tests on 25 July, 26 July and 1 August but failed on 5 August and 6 August. The tests she passed were done before the games. I hope they inquire into the testing agency that did those ones.

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86 Responses to “Adams upgraded to gold”

  1. boredboy (250 comments) says:

    She’s a man, man!

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  2. hmmokrightitis (1,595 comments) says:

    The international authorities have been keeping an eye on her for the last 12 months, for a very simple reason – the Belorussian testing authorities let her ‘vanish’ for 4 months last year.

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/08/general_debate_8_august_2012.html#comment-1006832

    Word on the inside had it that the NZ camp knew their last hope was a positive drug test at the Games. Thankfully that happened.

    And is it just me or does that photo of her look like a lardy Jamie Oliver?

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  3. b1gdaddynz (279 comments) says:

    I just reckon they should have 2 Olympics – Juiced and Honest! I’d kind of like to see a roid freak run 100M in 5 seconds before their head exploded :-) Great news for Valarie Adams though and it must have sucked trying to pretend to be gracious when you know something is wrong!

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  4. dime (10,095 comments) says:

    firstly.. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    brace yourselves for endless stories about Val losing her olympic moment.. how shes our greatest athlete ever arghhh rock throwing!

    probably no stories about what a bad sport Val is. “being left off the list cost me gold” blah blah

    reality:

    “hey shit, im not on the event list”
    “opps! ill get you on it now”.. 3 mins later “done”
    “thanks”

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  5. dime (10,095 comments) says:

    also, im not convinced jake off two and a half men is capable of cheating :D

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  6. david (2,561 comments) says:

    What I would prefer to see from Adams now is for her not to make a great big fuss about how she missed her “moment of glory” etc etc etc ad nauseum but for her to quietly say that these things need to be worked through, it is not uncommon for accused athletes to appeal, etc and then be satisfied for the rest of her life that the records and her mind will show that she was the winner of the Olympic comp in 2012.
    I fear that this is being hyped beyond its merit and Adams is set for a huge fall if Ostapchuk’s appeal is upheld. (assuming she appeals)

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  7. Chris2 (769 comments) says:

    b1gdaddynz – the point is, Adams was NOT gracious at all in defeat, she was a sore loser and wanted to blame others, including some woman administration official for not having her name on a list, and then she moaned about not being given a room to herself and having to share.

    Good on Adams for being the true Olympic gold winner that she is, but it does not excuse her sour-grapes attitude.

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  8. Mark1 (91 comments) says:

    I didn’t know Ray Winstone (circa his appearance in “Scum” in 1979) was a shot putter.

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  9. Mark (1,489 comments) says:

    I’m pleased for Adams that she won. I was pissed off at Dave Curry hanging out his administrator to dry when ultimately the responsibility was his as the Chef de Mission. A craven act by a long serving administrator who should have taken it on the chin as the boss.

    Valerie should have let that issue go early. Optachek threw further than Adams had ever thrown before so the missed entry form was not the problem. Drug cheating was.

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  10. nasska (11,788 comments) says:

    The reason that Belarus’s Nadzeya Ostapchuk failed her drug test was that she couldn’t fit her cock in the top of the sample bottle.

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  11. Keeping Stock (10,406 comments) says:

    Chris2 said

    Good on Adams for being the true Olympic gold winner that she is, but it does not excuse her sour-grapes attitude.

    You can excuse Adams’ post-event comments Chris. It must be galling to compete next to someone you know you can beat with comfort, and to watch them throw distances they have never even got close to achieving in legitimate competition. Adams will have had a pretty good idea that she was beaten by a juiced athlete.

    As Phil Gifford just noted on Leighton Smith’s show, it’s a bit like Usain Bolt vanishing from competition for a couple of months, then returning and shaving a second off the 100m world record. It just beggars belief.

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  12. James Stephenson (2,223 comments) says:

    Valerie should have let that issue go early. Optachek threw further than Adams had ever thrown before so the missed entry form was not the problem. Drug cheating was.

    I take it you missed the information that she was throwing 21.80 in training prior to the games?

    She’s back in training for an event in Stockholm in a couple of weeks, a lazy $20 on a >21.50 throw to win that comp looks a good investment from here.

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  13. kowtow (8,733 comments) says:

    So it wasn’t an administrative error that f#cked things up. Would all the media tossers who made so much of that apologise,will some one be held accountable and lose their job for pillorying the administrator that robbed us?

    Didn’t think so.

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  14. Nookin (3,455 comments) says:

    Adams did not blame Bates. Curry did.
    Adams did not make excuses. She was asked about being left off the list and said that it threw her. Fair comment.

    The MSM drew the conclusion that it cost her the gold because it made a good story. Adams knew that the cock-up didnt cost her the gold. She knew that the winner cheated and no doubt her frustration put an edge on her visage. So what.? Doesn’t mean she is a poor sport. It means she has an intense perception of what is right and what is wrong. Good on her.

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  15. SGA (1,123 comments) says:

    It’s not a nice thing to say, but she bears an uncanny resemblance to the ex-irish hooker Shane Byrne – including the haircut.

    http://www.superrugbytips.com/2012/08/ireland-hooker-shane-byrne-comes-out-of.html

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  16. Lazybum (259 comments) says:

    The Beast from Minsk. I bet the first thing she does in the morning like Helen Clark is scratch her balls.
    If only the Russians had more like her in 1941, the Germans would not have invaded Russia as far as they did.

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  17. MT_Tinman (3,250 comments) says:

    Very little if any of the cock-ups stories I’ve seen have come from Adams.

    They came from slime stories – invariably without Adams quotes.

    As for Adams not being happy with first loser, good on her. It is her competitive nature that makes her the best in the world.

    A few of NZ’s other “athletes” would do well to emulate her attitude.

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  18. Longknives (4,858 comments) says:

    “I just reckon they should have 2 Olympics – Juiced and Honest! I’d kind of like to see a roid freak run 100M in 5 seconds before their head exploded”

    Hmmm but I wonder how many of this years men’s 100m finalists havn’t ‘used’ at some stage?? Bearing in mind the ‘Rock Star’ Jamacian track team’s rather embarrassing fall from grace only a few years ago (which the adoring media seem to have forgotten) and the continual competitiveness of the laughable Justin (which excuse will I use today?)Gatlin..

    I’ve read interviews with the likes of Jim Hines (first man to break 10 sec) who reckon that they ALL use…

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  19. IHStewart (388 comments) says:

    I would imagine that being unentered in an event that you have been training for 4 years for would be very off-putting. Well done Val and the detractors above are morons.

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  20. virtualmark (1,536 comments) says:

    Longknives:

    I’ve read interviews with the likes of Jim Hines (first man to break 10 sec) who reckon that they ALL use…

    This is a good read … http://www.muscleweek.com/is-usain-bolt-on-steroids

    For my money, I agree with Jim Hines. But I wouldn’t say it’s just Usain Bolt. There’s very little drug testing done in Jamaica (mainly due to small budgets), and they have a long history of failing drug tests.

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  21. David Garrett (7,523 comments) says:

    Nasska: Priceless!! You truly missed your calling in life…

    Interesting that while Valerie is certainly a “big unit”, she is obviously female, whereas that one….isn’t

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  22. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    At the same time, Jamacian sprinters are proving hard to drug test.

    Interestingly a long line of sprinting world champions and world record holders have tested positive for drugs. But Usain Bolt is supposed to be clean. Well, to be fair, FloJo never tested positive either, and Marion Jones somehow escaped being detected dozens of times. Bolt’s claims of being clean should be taken with a grain of salt.

    I agree with VM that many if not most of the sprinters are probably using drugs. Does that mean that Bolt is still the best? :)

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  23. Mark1 (91 comments) says:

    IHSTEWART: Heh “off-putting” nice pun

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  24. Ross Miller (1,706 comments) says:

    Gueez Wayne …. guess it comes with the territory but some of these comments are really quite nasty.

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  25. Longknives (4,858 comments) says:

    Virtualmark- It’s probably almost sacreligious to say this about the World’s “coolest” sportsman with all his funky dancing and ‘Gangsta’ hand styles, but his performance in Beijing (when he broke World Record while showboating, laughing and beating his chest at the crowd) was just too easy.The last athlete to win an Olympic sprint final so easily was Florence Griffith Joyner in 1984- say no more.

    And nobody ever mentions that the ‘unbeatable’ Bolt couldn’t make it past the first round four years prior in Athens…

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  26. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    What many have forgotten is that Adams threw further in London than she did to win the gold in Beijing.

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  27. Pete George (23,680 comments) says:

    There’s a golden lining to this. Adams was hard done by through missing out on getting the gold at a Games ceremony, but she’s getting much more publicity now (especially beyond New Zealand) than she would have during the Games.

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  28. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    But Longknives, Florence Griffith Joyner – like Lance Armstrong – never failed a drug test. :)

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  29. b1gdaddynz (279 comments) says:

    @Longknives You might be right but I can’t really see how someone as high profile as Bolt could go this long without failing a test if indead they are using given they they are meant to be tested regularly outside of competition. Unless the testing in Jamaica is as toothless as Carl Lewis suggests…although I can’t stand it when ex Atheletes (especially ones with chequered drug histories) come out to criticise or pass aspersions on the achievements of modern atheletes.

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  30. alex Masterley (1,523 comments) says:

    While the IOC have announced that Ms Ostapchuck has been stripped of her medal, I think we should wait until she has exhausted her rights of appeal against the decision before commenting.
    After all she could be successful in an appeal, possibly…

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  31. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    b1gdaddynz

    “I can’t really see how someone as high profile as Bolt could go this long without failing a test”. How many drug tests did the likes of Lance Armstrong, FloJo and Marion Jones pass? And you’re making an assumption that Bolt has passed every test. One of the allegations against Armstrong was that failed tests were covered up.

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  32. mara (794 comments) says:

    On the one hand Val knew she had been mucked about by NZ officials; on the other she looked at Balls achuck and saw that it was half-man. Is that not gonna mess with your mind when you most need a clear head? I thought her behaviour was exemplary, given the circumstances.

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  33. Jimmy Smits (246 comments) says:

    DPF finds it appropriate to laugh at a woman for calling her a man yet if you make any fat jokes about him on this blog it’s an instant ban.

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  34. Nookin (3,455 comments) says:

    Interesting logic. Previous champions cheated. Jones and Flo Jo were not outed by testing. Ergo, Bolt is a druggie.

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  35. Pete George (23,680 comments) says:

    Bolt is physycally quite a different sort of athelete. It’s easy to add 6 kilos of muscle through steroids, it’s not so easy to put six inches of height on.

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  36. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    “I can’t stand it when ex Atheletes (especially ones with chequered drug histories) come out to criticise or pass aspersions on the achievements of modern atheletes.”

    I think the opposite. I think that when drug cheats are running considerably slower than allegedly clean athletes, the drug cheats are confident something isn’t right.

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  37. SGA (1,123 comments) says:

    @Longknives “And nobody ever mentions that the ‘unbeatable’ Bolt couldn’t make it past the first round four years prior in Athens…”

    To be fair, he was what 17-18 years old? You might expect him to improve a bit since then. Not saying he’s clean, but I think you’re drawing your bow a bit too far with that comment.

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  38. b1gdaddynz (279 comments) says:

    ross69 – Maybe I’m a bit naive on this subject :-)
    virtualmark – Thanks for the link very informative

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  39. Nookin (3,455 comments) says:

    “But Longknives, Florence Griffith Joyner – like Lance Armstrong – never failed a drug test.”

    Yes she did. On 21 September 1998.

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  40. flipper (4,196 comments) says:

    Some interesting comments above.
    But some seem to have missed the following:

    1. Every nation is required by IOC/WADA regulations to have an approved drug detection programme in place.
    2. Every athlete is required to have been pre-tested at least three(3) times in the preceding 12 months.
    3. The Belorussians …,. allowed the testosterone cheat to go bush, and the Beloruss officials covered up.
    4. It was well known that she would be likely to cheat at London. They were waiting for her, and it is interesting that she was tested immediately before the event and immediately after. Both samples, according to reports from neutral media, were positive.
    5. There is still a B sample test available to the Beloruss… But that is simply re-testing the same samples.
    6. Game, set and match to Adam.
    7. Attempting to “bag” her for a natural human reaction (athletes of her standingh KNOW when cheats are around. Performances in 2012 increase/improve in fractions. 600mm plus is a giant leap forward), are sick. That is really below the belt stuff. Adams was/is dignified.
    8. It is just as well Currie is “retiring”. The paid Dunedin volunteer was given the blame for what was clearly a major NZOGA stuff-up, and a massivce pshrink blow for Adams.
    9. Now, let us bask….. and move on.

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  41. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    > Jones and Flo Jo were not outed by testing. Ergo, Bolt is a druggie.

    Nookin, Jones was outed by drug testing. That was after she passed dozens of tests. She later admitted she’d been using drugs throughout her career.

    Ben Johnson beat possibly the strongest 100 metre field in history and he did so convincinly, smashing the world record in the process. Yet he would be soundly beaten by Bolt.

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  42. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    > Yes she did. On 21 September 1998.

    Come on, she died of heart failure which was unrelated to her running career!! Don’t be so cynical :)

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  43. flipper (4,196 comments) says:

    In 9 above… should be unpaid.

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  44. James Stephenson (2,223 comments) says:

    And nobody ever mentions that the ‘unbeatable’ Bolt couldn’t make it past the first round four years prior in Athens…

    When he was 17 years old…and your point is?

    I’m inclined to believe that Bolt is clean, simply on the basis that he wins his races by acheiving a much higher top speed, rather than getting out ahead in the acceleration phase where Ben Johnson won his races, I think his dominance is much more to do with his size and stride length than anthing else.

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  45. kowtow (8,733 comments) says:

    longknives

    gangsta hand gestures….sacrilege……

    Not at all ,they’re a bunch of clowns.

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  46. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    An interesting article about drug testing of athletes.

    http://junkcharts.typepad.com/numbersruleyourworld/2011/05/never-a-failed-test-fails-the-statistical-test.html

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  47. 3-coil (1,222 comments) says:

    How long will we have to wait before the boofhead SST columnist Richard Boock retracts some of the crap he dribbled in the paper this past weekend?

    “Adams was beaten by a wonderful performance from her Belarusian arch-rival”
    Kiwi reaction was “irrational and neurotic sentiment..Adams tried her heart out but the Belarusian was simply too good on the day”
    “unsubstantiated suggestions she was taking drugs..charming stuff indeed”
    “Guess it will continue until we learn to grow up…trying to remove our heads from our backsides would be a good start”

    Once again Boock’s egotistic pontifications are plain wrong – he thought he was on the moral highground and so superior sticking up for the drugs cheat, but “she” has made a fool of him.

    Boock whined that the Kiwi reactions were “like Paul Henry was composing everyone’s messages”. Well evidently Paul Henry must be more savvy than Boock, and clearly Boock’s opinions aren’t worth the paper that the SST wastes printing them on. At least PH doesn’t have to reduce himself to Boock’s level telling lies (eg “Ostapchuk, known for having purple patches, improved her performance markedly before the games”) to be controversial. Boock is just a failed sportsman, bitterly railing against everyone in his shitty little column in the shitty little rag that is the SST.

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  48. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    James,

    I think you’re rather naive. Marion Jones claimed she’d passed more than 160 drug tests. All the while she was on drugs. The following article explains why so few cheats get caught.

    http://www.muscleweek.com/is-usain-bolt-on-steroids

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  49. virtualmark (1,536 comments) says:

    ross69, you should check out http://www.clinchem.org/content/57/5/762.abstract

    Just a few doozies from that article – published in a highly regarded scientific journal:

    * They reviewed over 7,000 blood samples from track & field athletes in international competitions
    * 14% of the athletes tested had suspicious blood parameters (sufficient to get you banned in cycling or cross-country skiing)
    * In some population sets (each country was a different population set) it was 48% with suspicious blood parameters.

    While the journal article doesn’t name which countries were the worst offenders further analysis from others, based on this data set, says the worst four were Russia, Morocco, France & Spain (in descending order).

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  50. RRM (10,001 comments) says:

    It sucks that it played out this way, and big Val missed her moment on the top step. But at the same time I’m SO stoked for her …

    I didn’t watch it this time, but I remember watching her final at Beijing and it was awesome – she was just so much better than the rest of them that it was almost a joke. I was actually moved by it; it was one of the most impressive performances by a NZer I’ve seen.

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  51. virtualmark (1,536 comments) says:

    Cycling is seen as being one of the worst sports for drugs. But I’d suggest that’s simply because the cycling drug testing programme is far more rigourous. If you look you will find.

    Compare this:
    Tennis: In 2011 they did 216 out-of-competition tests, of which only 21 were blood tests (urine tests are not much use)
    Athletics: In 2010 they did 1,976 out-of-competition tests, of which 159 were blood tests
    Cycling: In 2011 they did 5,699 out-of-competition tests, of which 3,314 were blood tests

    Yet there are far more professional athletes and tennis players than there are professional cyclists.

    Basically, sports like tennis & athletics don’t want to find drug problems. They don’t want the superstars like Usain Bolt and Rafael Nadal being outed as drug cheats. See no evil. Hear no evil. Don’t test for evil.

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  52. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    I’d have hated to have been the official forced to ask for the Gold medal back. “Um, Ms Ostapchuk, d’ya think we could.. y’know, get the medal back, um, just for a minute…” :)

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  53. Shazzadude (531 comments) says:

    Longknives: “And nobody ever mentions that the ‘unbeatable’ Bolt couldn’t make it past the first round four years prior in Athens…”

    I’ve simply put that down to him mastering the start. While he’s advantaged in stride length at 6’5″ compared to other sprinters, he’s disadvantaged out of the blocks compared to a shorter sprinter. I’m satisfied that his move up the ranks can be attributed to his mastering his start out of the blocks.

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  54. peterwn (3,298 comments) says:

    Those who criticise Valarie should have another think. She copped a double whammy not of her making, and expecting her not to show negative emotions is expecting her to be way beyond the realm of mere mortals. She was quite entitled to be ‘spooked’ by being left off the list (how would you feel?). Similarly, while it was easy to claim that she reacted like a ‘bad sport’ after coming second, in reality she could have been rather suspicious of the successful ‘put’ and any such suspicions have been proved right. If she had not copped that double whammy, she most probably would have had a clean win.

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  55. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    PG,
    Valerie Adams is already very well known in the UK and Europe.

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  56. hmmokrightitis (1,595 comments) says:

    And if you think PED’s are only at levels like this, think again. A reasonably well known NZ long distance triathlete used to show up to our long training rides as grumpy as hell, covered in acne – especially his back – and then ride us into the deck. We fronted him about it, he fessed up, and then he quietly kept training and appearing at events he knew werent included in the piss poor drug testing programme in place for triathlon.

    Ive also seen it at world ameteur events in age group cycling. Big Australian guy went from top ten to first in half a season, and then got pinged. He is in his late 40’s.

    Test the field at IM Hawaii, youd get a huge suprise.

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  57. andretti (130 comments) says:

    Almost every competitor at the games can be taking steriods legaly,how is this?.They have a limit on say testosterone levels and this limit is set to the highest natural limit,that is not all people are created the same some of us have natural testosterone up to 4 times higher than other people.This is the limit,so you would be at a severe disadvantage if your levels were not at the high end so you take steroids up to this level completly within the rules

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  58. virtualmark (1,536 comments) says:

    andretti,

    The answer is to use the “biological passport” system that cycling and cross-country skiing use, but to extend it by making all the test results publicly available on the web. Effectively, crowdsource the review of the information.

    I suspect you’re right in that if you did that with the historical info you’d see nearly every athlete miraculously had a T/E testosterone ratio of 4:1. And a heamocrit in the high 40s.

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  59. andretti (130 comments) says:

    Shazzadude

    Check out who is Bolts so called coach,a drug chemist convicted of supplying steroids to other competiters.Bolt is on the Juice like most other athletes,you would be a full not to be if you want to win.

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  60. andretti (130 comments) says:

    Sorry should read fool

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  61. virtualmark (1,536 comments) says:

    I’d also strongly suggest that performance enhancing drugs aren’t restricted just to non-English speakers.

    Obviously the Belarusians were just idiots. Russians aren’t known for subtlety. And there are serious reasons to be suspicious of Chinese swimmers, Kenyan runners and Jamaican sprinters (and more).

    But it would be naive to expect the other countries – including our Kiwi athletes – aren’t carefully managing their blood parameters to be right up to – but not over – the allowable levels.

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  62. Nookin (3,455 comments) says:

    I was probably being a little unfair in my cynicism towards Ross 69’s comments. Sometimes he brings out the worst in me. My apologies.

    Probably the most frustrating aspect of drug cheating is clear gap between the chemists engaged by the athletes and the chemists engaged by the drug police.

    Ross69 makes the point that consistent passing drug tests is proof of nothing. This makes the link to the story about Lance Armstrong all the more interesting. My understanding is that Tyler Hamilton was part of Lance’s team. He is reputed to have given evidence to the grand jury of having observed Lance taking drugs. Hamilton, however, failed tests on, it appears, three occasions. Questions: If Hamilton and Armstrong were part of the same team, why were they not part of the same drug program (i.e. one that was clearly undetectable)? Assuming (and at this stage this must clearly be a hypothetical assumption until there is evidence), that Armstrong was on a “program” it must have been that one more secretive than the program that Hamilton was on. Otherwise, Armstrong would have been caught just as Hamilton was. That being the case, isn’t it highly unlikely that Armstrong would have been taking drugs in the presence of Hamilton? Or did Armstrong simply have greater clout with the laboratories and officials?

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  63. hmmokrightitis (1,595 comments) says:

    Nookin: Re: Armstrong. Different chemists

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  64. gump (1,661 comments) says:

    It’s surprising to me that everyone assumes that Adams has been clean for her whole career.

    Most of the women’s shotput competitors will have been on the juice at some point in their careers. It’s the simple reality of modern high-performance sport.

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  65. emmess (1,432 comments) says:

    Someone needs to apologise to Raewyn from Dunedin

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  66. Grant Michael McKenna (1,160 comments) says:

    I think that Ostapchuk looks like Angus Jones [Jake on “Two and a Half Men”].

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  67. andretti (130 comments) says:

    The guys who take PEDs are way ahead of the testers, who dont want to catch anyone anyway as it destroys ahtletics credibility as a whole.PEDs are wide spread period.

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  68. Zapper (1,027 comments) says:

    Dave Currie may need to apologise to Raewyn, emmess, but no-one else does. Her mistake was minor but could have had major consequences. The gold medal doesn’t change that.

    Big Bruv must be gutted by this result.

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  69. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    Housewife Logic:
    http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2012/08/congrats-val-typical-we-blame-ourselves.html

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  70. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    I would say Adams is clean because it is very hard to avoid a doping rep with any pattern of doping no matter how irregular.

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  71. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Of course Adams was allowed a sour grapes attitude.
    She will have known that the other chick was juicing, you just don’t improve 2 meters in 6 weeks by eating tofu and sleeping well.

    It was just she couldn’t come and say, that bitch is cheating.

    And now Adams has been a juicer, NZers are spiteful pricks really, especially when I’d guess none of us here have ever done anything world class.

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  72. UpandComer (537 comments) says:

    Lots of comments on here from fat un-athletic lard arses about Valerie ‘whining’.

    Lets put it into perspective – the herald said she was offered a tiny room with no windows her coach had to reject. Two minor members of the team without a hope in hell of winning a medal got nice solo rooms. Valerie had to check for herself that she was on the damn list. She was impeded from even entering the field due to NZOC’s incompetence. She was up all night not sure if she’d even be allowed to compete. They didn’t even have a singlet ready for her. NZOC didn’t want to let her do her own preparation, and McCully had to step in on her behalf.

    If any of you arse clowns have sat an exam, or competed in athletics, you know that shit like that really fucks you up mentally, and at the olympics mental strength is what it’s all about.

    So really fatso’s, STFU about Valerie whining. NZOC’s incompetence for our no 1 athlete at these games is mind-boggling as are you stupid comments.

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  73. gump (1,661 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay:

    And now Adams has been a juicer, NZers are spiteful pricks really, especially when I’d guess none of us here have ever done anything world class.

    ——————

    I was an Oceania Junior Champion and still hold the NZ Junior records for my sport. I have some idea of what it takes to train and compete at this level.

    Val has been at the top of her game for over two years. During that time she’s competed regularly against other juicers and consistently won. Draw your own conclusions.

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  74. hmmokrightitis (1,595 comments) says:

    gump: yes and no.

    Every so often, nature does throw up a freak. Whilst I cannot categorically state that Val isnt on the juice, you also cannot just say they all are. Thats far to simple. Some yes, others no.

    For example. Armstrong. Every TdF he won, every single other person he shared the podium with has since fessed up or tested positive and been banned. And most of the top 10 from those years as well. And his line has always been “Ive never tested positive”, not “I didnt take x…”

    Ive also competed in the top levels of a couple of sports, represented NZ in a team sport and also as an individual in another. There was doping in both, more in the individual sport as it was around endurance. Had the opportunity, but Im keen as mustard vegetarian and hate taking drugs of any sort – not for me. My ultra running now is also open to it, but the scene is so low key Id be very surprised if anyone did.

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  75. virtualmark (1,536 comments) says:

    My suspicion is that the other Kiwi athlete who should be muttering about possibly being cheated out of a medal by a drug taker is Linda Villumsen.

    Linda finished fourth in the womens’ individual time trial (cycling). She was 1.8 seconds away from bronze, which was won by Olga Zabelinskaya of Russia.

    What’s suspicious to me is that:
    * Zabelinskaya is a good time trialler, but is certainly ranked by the UCI quite a way behind Linda
    * Zabelinskaya also picked up the bronze in the womens’ road race, just 3 days earlier
    * The other medallists in the women’s road race finished well back in the time trial, even though they too are quite good time triallers – basically the three medallists in the road race spent much of the race off the front working just as a group of three, and the other two clearly showed signs that they hadn’t had a chance to recover from the road race when they turned up for the time trial

    So Zabelinskaya turned up in London and popped in two bronze medal finishes three days apart, when the rest of the big players struggled to back up their road race performance. No certainty that Zabelinskaya was juiced. But it does look a little odd.

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  76. Tautaioleua (309 comments) says:

    UpandComer – Hear Hear!

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  77. Ross12 (1,453 comments) says:

    Why does someone need to apologise to Raewyn ? She made the mistake and has been honest and open enough to publically admit it AND she herself said she wanted her involvement out in the open.

    I think it would interesting for a journalisat to dig out photos of of Ostapchuk from say 2 years ago , one year ago and compare them to a photo frm the London event.

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  78. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    gump

    until its proven, no shes not juicing, just like I never said anything about the other chick at time although was suspicious it would have just sounded like more New Zealand whining.

    she is good , she is freakish, just enjoy ,its nice having the odd poppy around we don’t need a Queen of Hearts shouting everytime someone succeeds.

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  79. gump (1,661 comments) says:

    Ross12 said:

    I think it would interesting for a journalisat to dig out photos of of Ostapchuk from say 2 years ago , one year ago and compare them to a photo frm the London event.

    ————

    You can find the photos through google image search.

    Ostapchuk hasn’t come out of nowhere. She was the world champion in 2005.

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  80. Ross12 (1,453 comments) says:

    Thanks Gump –I will look them up. I knew she has always been a top shot putter but I made the comment more to see if there was any obvious physical evidence that she was on steroids. I’m not doubting the test results –just interested to see if there was a significant physical change.

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  81. Ross12 (1,453 comments) says:

    UpandComer +1

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  82. infused (659 comments) says:

    Everyones on gear. You’d be stupid to think otherwise. Being in the bodybuilding scene for the last 7 years, I can tell you that most of the top people there are on gear… they just stop when the time comes… seems she couldn’t.

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  83. thedavincimode (6,869 comments) says:

    Nookin at 9.07am

    Let’s not let the truth get in the way of a good story please. Adams has played a cunning games in not denying the excuses over which she has no control and that have been put forward on her behalf by those hypothesising on her smorgasboard of potential excuses in order to provide some basis for the criticisims that they wish to levy at her.

    She has always struck me as a somewhat surly individual which, to me, presents an empathy hurdle (and, yeah, so what …). Her public response to this business, both at the time of the competition and now today has completely changed my impression of her (yeah, for what it’s worth …). She has been generous and humble.

    Yet if some of the comments on this blog since the big day could be regarded as in any way representative of NZ public opinion, I would be wondering why on earth she didn’t just give us the big “fuck off”. She is, after all, a super star in Europe. But that’s what you get when those that can’t opine about those that can.

    I heard the little dwarf irk with that weird thing on his head and the Maserati cock substitute essentially saying she needed to harden up. Interesting tough love from someone whose personal life evaporated in mist of “social” page headlines over who he was rooting and what he was taking in light of his odd behaviour.

    But that’s what we do in NZ. It’s pretty tragic really. That said, my questions regarding McCullum remain.

    hmmmokeydokey

    You’re right, but Oliver couldn’t chuck a bread roll 21m, let alone the putt.

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  84. cha (4,078 comments) says:

    Sort of on topic with regards to Belarus’this is from comments on a post at Harry’s place about the recent Teddy bear drop.

    If you go out in Minsk’s streets today, you’re in for a big surprise
    If you check your radar kit today, you’ll never believe your eyes.
    For ursine paratroops Belarus bound
    Will get generals sacked as they hit the ground
    Today’s the day the teddy bears do their D’Day.

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  85. MH (810 comments) says:

    My Fella and Bella Rouskies. Let us put this into perspextive. I am kursk with this old canon ball,found at the base of the walls of Sebastopol and handed down to me to return to the Britishers. I thought the British would want it back. As a professional athletic my job like the usurper Valerie -who was not even on the listz- is to go to many countries with my coach where they pay us good foreign exchange monies to watch us tuck this ball under the chin,hover our bountiful boodies on one leg, turn around in a constricted circle and throw it away as far as possible. Now all this fuss. Nyet result they find my supplementary feed is tainted. I am innocent. The meddle is mine. Let us build a wall of understanding. The IOC has no army,and our brother Putin is a great shotter himself.

    I think the small room with no windows that Val was directed to may have been the urine sample room. Somebody should check that out.

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  86. valeriusterminus (243 comments) says:

    The end!
    Nothing to do with me – or yous.

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