Hypocrisy

August 15th, 2012 at 3:00 pm by David Farrar

The Dom Post reports:

co-leader Russel Norman says his member’s bill to restrict foreign land ownership is likely to be narrowly defeated
tonight by an ‘‘evil coalition’’.

If anything is evil, it is .

The bill aims to retain New Zealand ownership and control of sensitive land and has the support of Labour, NZ First, the Maori Party and Mana.

However, Dr Norman said it was likely to be opposed by National, UnitedFuture and ACT.

‘‘The job of Parliament is to represent the will of the people and people don’t want land going into overseas ownership,’’ he said.

What . One week after around 80% of New Zealanders voted that parental correctional smacking should not be a criminal offence, the Greens voted down a members’ bill that sought to do just that.

If people do not want land to go into overseas ownership, then they should not sell their land to someone overseas. But it is quite a different matter to ban fellow citizens from selling their property to the highest bidder.

Under this bill, James Cameron would be banned from buying his Wairarapa farm, even though the benefits to NZ of having one of the world’s most influential movie makers owning land here is huge.

Norman’s bill would ban any in land over 0.05 of a square kilometer! It would not matter how great the benefits to NZ are – a total ban. It is xenophobic hysterical nonsense.

Applications for purchases over 0.05 of a square kilometer are assessed against the national interest, under the criteria in the Overseas Investment Act. Deciding on the merits if each application is far more sensible than a xenophobic ban.

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80 Responses to “Hypocrisy”

  1. wreck1080 (3,864 comments) says:

    Russell Norman is a nutter!

    “Evil coalition” would seem way over the top language. You’d think he was talking about North Korea or something.

    Why does Russell seem to think the opposition are going to hunt down and kill the opposition such as himself. That is what an ‘evil coalition’ would do of course.

    Russell lets his emotion get in the way of the facts.

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  2. Ryan Sproull (7,093 comments) says:

    If anything is evil, it is xenophobia.

    Or murder. If anything is evil, it is xenophobia or murder.

    [DPF: heh, i meant in terms of the debate on the bil, not more widely]

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  3. Grendel (991 comments) says:

    what about rape?

    if anything is evil, it is xenophobia, murder, or rape.

    Fun game :)
    >>

    i hope the media give the greens the scrutiny they give everyone else. i mean how could the media let such hypocrisy let slide. hell its like they would be totally uninterested in a campaign of arson/vandalism organised inside a leaders office, oh wait…

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  4. DylanReeve (182 comments) says:

    If anything is evil, it is xenophobia, murder, rape and late filing of taxes.

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  5. insider (1,037 comments) says:

    What about the Spanish Inquisition?

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  6. Luke Mutton (247 comments) says:

    r this bill, James Cameron would be banned from buying his Wairarapa farm, even though the benefits to NZ of having one of the world’s most influential movie makers owning land here is huge.

    List them. Please.

    [DPF: Well Peter Jackson has created around 3,000 jobs here, and James Cameron is sending a lot of work to NZ to be done, and allowing him to first hand experience rural life here, may lead to him moving more of his productions here]

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  7. Ryan Sproull (7,093 comments) says:

    If anything is evil, it is xenophobia, murder, rape, the late filing of taxes and only indicating while you’re turning a corner rather than leading up to the turn.

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  8. James Stephenson (2,138 comments) says:

    List them. Please.

    Nailed-on certainty that he’ll make his next film here?

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  9. dime (9,804 comments) says:

    Cameron will be filing a chunk of the avatar sequels here and using weta

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  10. dime (9,804 comments) says:

    Dime was gutted that a chine dude didnt buy his house :( it was a foreigner though :)

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  11. IHStewart (388 comments) says:

    Yet for all that the Greens are still being held up as a sensible alternative to Labour

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  12. Ryan Sproull (7,093 comments) says:

    Yet for all that the Greens are still being held up as a sensible alternative to Labour

    For aaaaaaaaall that.

    And have you SEEN Labour?

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  13. Grendel (991 comments) says:

    have you seen the greens?

    tell me which green mp is the normal sensible one, and you cant use kennedy graham.

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  14. Fost (102 comments) says:

    DPF – maybe you can check if this bill prevents the sale of land already in foreign ownership to other foreign owners? The land (Crafar farms) everyone is jumping up and down about is already owned by Australian banks. Most opponents of the sale seem to forget that.

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  15. labrator (1,896 comments) says:

    I thought Russel Norman was born in Australia?

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  16. Lloyd (125 comments) says:

    Aussie Norman is basically trying to say “Don’t sell the the Ch**ese” without actually saying it. I thought we were past that sort of xenophobia…

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  17. Avalon (39 comments) says:

    Can I assume this bill will also ban Kiwis from owning sensitive land in other people’s countries? Surely if it’s wrong to allow foreigners to buy land here it’s also just as wrong for us to buy land there?

    Or doesn’t that count?

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  18. davidp (3,574 comments) says:

    Here is Norman back when he was still an Aussie. But still not liking Asians:

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  19. speters (108 comments) says:

    Avalon – it’s not our legislature’s job to protect the interests of other countries from New Zealanders!

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  20. smttc (730 comments) says:

    The will of the people? What a crock of shit.

    If the Greens had their way, we would be doing or banned from doing all sorts of things that only around 10% of the electorate would vote for.

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  21. scrubone (3,090 comments) says:

    Norman claims public support when it suits his agenda, claims principle when it doesn’t.

    What’s new, he’s a politican.

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  22. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    Fucking A!
    If anything is evil, it is xenophobia, murder, rape, the late filing of taxes and only indicating while you’re turning a corner rather than leading up to the turn, the discarding of a used toilet roll core onto the floor instead of the appropriate rubbish receptacle.

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  23. Cunningham (836 comments) says:

    How can people vote for this sort of shit? Have that many kiwis become completely and utterly stupid? I tell you what the number of people who vote for the greens flies in the face of the ‘we have a world class education system’ argument!

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  24. greenjacket (451 comments) says:

    Russell Norman must be really pissed off though with Iran, North Korea and Iraq, because they are the ‘Axis of Evil’, which is way cooler sounding than the National Party ‘Coalition of Evil’.

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  25. Pete George (23,427 comments) says:

    tell me which green mp is the normal sensible one,

    Kevin Hague, Julie Anne Genter. Holly Walker has potential. I’ve heard some sensible stuff from Jan Logie. All have worthwhile contributions to make to parliament.

    I think ‘Coalition of Evil’ is a blunder from Russel Norman. He and Turei keep trying to talk up the class divide but that’s plain ridiculous.

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  26. iMP (2,352 comments) says:

    Let’s hope no foreign embassies sit on land over 0.05 of a sq km. Will the Green bill also apply to Kiwis who own land overseas?

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  27. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    James Cameron hasn’t made a decent movie since Terminator 2.
    God Avatar was shite….

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  28. b1gdaddynz (279 comments) says:

    Luke Mutton (149) Says:

    August 15th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
    r this bill, James Cameron would be banned from buying his Wairarapa farm, even though the benefits to NZ of having one of the world’s most influential movie makers owning land here is huge.

    List them. Please.

    Avatar 2
    Avatar 3

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  29. Reid (16,210 comments) says:

    He and Turei keep trying to talk up the class divide but that’s plain ridiculous.

    Name anything the Gweens talk up that isn’t plain ridiculous.

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  30. b1gdaddynz (279 comments) says:

    There is something f&#ked when the leader of the Greens is openly racist!

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  31. TheContrarian (1,085 comments) says:

    I hope those who insist we shouldn’t sell any land to foreigners realise that we ourselves own farms overseas

    http://www.idealog.co.nz/magazine/34/milky-way

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  32. Seán (397 comments) says:

    Under this bill, James Cameron would be banned from buying his Wairarapa farm, even though the benefits to NZ of having one of the world’s most influential movie makers owning land here is huge.

    “huge”? Look, I agree with this post, but take it easy with the rationale. I’m cringing a little if NZers are so enamoured with a Hollywood name showing interest in the country.

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  33. TheContrarian (1,085 comments) says:

    @ Sean – I know what you mean. I get a cringe too. He is just a rich dude, go back to your latte.

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  34. Colville (2,249 comments) says:

    When Shania Twain brought (leases?) about 200 sq kms ! of highcountry she spent a $hitload doing up huts and tracks and gifted a huge section to the Te Araroa walkway, I dont mind that kind of benifit from overseas ownership.

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  35. KH (694 comments) says:

    Tossing around the word xenophobia just makes it easy not to think about the other advantages of us owning our own land. Keeping ownership here, is of economic advantage to us.

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  36. trout (932 comments) says:

    Generally overseas owners are better caretakers of the land than kiwis. Maybe because they are wealthy, or more likely they come to NZ for the quality of life in the landscape and do not take it for granted.

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  37. Viking2 (11,367 comments) says:

    You all forgot who is the most evil.
    The fucking stupid Greens of course.

    Anyway if you own land with a mortgage it almost certainly owned by a foreigner when you can’t pay the rent.

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  38. orewa1 (428 comments) says:

    DPF – “What hypocrisy. One week after around 80% of New Zealanders voted that parental correctional smacking should not be a criminal offence, the Greens voted down a members’ bill that sought to do just that.”

    Wrong. Ingenuous. The two issues cannot be compared.

    Concerns about Chinese ownership are not Xenophobic. Please give ordinary Kiwis some credit without labelling them! The concerns are about the impact on “Brand NZ” – our place in the world in the few areas where we have some commercial and moral leadership. Responsible food standards and a commitment to people’s health are examples. We should cherish those. Chinese ownership is the thin edge of a wedge that threatens them.

    Anti-smacking by contrast is about undoing the idiocy of a measure put in place by silly, idealistic lefties who mostly know nothing about normal family environments. They were too far removed from the realities of normal, caring parenting to make any kind of social judgement. They were supported by typical Ruling Class MPs of all persuasions, fascinated with power and the theatre of parliament, paranoid about alienating even one voter, and with too much time on their hands.

    Anti-smacking was based on the fallacy that if you constrain the 90% of goodies, it might have an impact on the 10% of no-hopers. Rubbish.

    A sad trend that Labour instigated and National, to its eternal populist damnation, is following. These days power trumps principle every time. I grieve for democracy in this country.

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  39. wat dabney (3,755 comments) says:

    Racist nationalists who advocate state control of the economy, the Greens embrace mainstream fascism ever more tightly.

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  40. davidp (3,574 comments) says:

    wat d>the Greens embrace mainstream fascism ever more tightly

    So Norman is the Jorg Haider of NZ politics?

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  41. Viking2 (11,367 comments) says:

    Its hell for the Greens.
    http://screencast.com/t/EIfZdNd9L9

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  42. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    Aussie Norman is basically trying to say “Don’t sell the the Ch**ese” without actually saying it. I thought we were past that sort of xenophobia…

    Labour’s proposed change to govt procurement policy to favour kiwi businesses in ICT contracts amounts to something in a similar vein – don’t buy from the Chinese (or Indians.) Absolutely shocking policy.

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  43. Seán (397 comments) says:

    Chinese ownership is the thin edge of a wedge that threatens them.

    orewa1 – how so? (considering NZ law still applies to foreign landowners)

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  44. orewa1 (428 comments) says:

    Sean – its about association. Our brand is tarred by the company we keep. Remember melamine?

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  45. marcw (242 comments) says:

    If anything is evil, it is xenophobia, murder, rape and late filing of taxes, or stealing a flag.

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  46. Seán (397 comments) says:

    orawa1 – you’re drawing a bit of a long bow with that line of argument, especially considering the implicit stereotyping.

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  47. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    Wussel is still pissed for having his Tibetan flag taken off him by Chinese security staff.

    Edit: marcw – snap!

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  48. hj (6,826 comments) says:

    The timetime of the Crafar deal runs something like this,

    5 October 2009: Crafar Farms placed into receivership, owing $216 million to creditors.

    22 December 2010: Government blocks bid by Natural Dairy to buy the 16 Crafar farms on ‘good character’ grounds.

    27 January 2011: KordaMentha accepts offer from Shanghai Pengxin International Group Ltd to buy Crafar Farms.

    13 April 2011: Shanghai Pengxin lodges application with the Overseas Investment Office (OIO) to buy the Crafar farms.

    26 September 2011: Crafar farms receiver KordaMentha rejects a conditional NZ$171.5 million offer for 16 central North Island dairy farms from a group led by controversial former merchant banker Michael Fay.

    27 January 2012: Government ministers approve Shanghai Pengxin’s application to purchase 16 Crafar farms.

    15 February 2012: High Court delays sale of Crafar farms to Shanghai Pengxin.

    20 April 2012: Government ministers , Land Information Minister Maurice Williamson and Associate Finance Minister Jonathan Coleman approve the Overseas’ Investment Office’s (OIO) new recommendation to allow the sale of the 16 Crafar farms to Shanghai Pengxin.

    At least, that is the version for public consumption.

    Recent revelations indicate that much more was taking place behind the scenes. If we take that timeline and add the revelations that have come out in the last few months, the picture takes on a murkiness and a hint on something decidedly shady,

    5 October 2009: Crafar Farms placed into receivership, owing $216 million to creditors.

    2 December 2009: KIWI DAIRY CORPORATION LIMITED registered. (Then changes to ORAVIE LIMITED, 20 December 2010. Then changes to ORAVIDA LTD, 20 January 2011. Then changes to ORAVIDA NZ LIMITED, 13 May 2011. ) Shareholders: Jing Huang, Julia Jiyan Xu, and Deyi Shi. (Source)

    11 June 2010: National Party receives $50,000.00 donation from Susan Chou. (Source)

    30 July 2010: National Party receives $150,000 donation from Susan Chou. (Source)

    18 November 2010: MILK NEW ZEALAND CORPORATION LIMITED* registered. Directors: Terry Lee and Jiang Zhaobai. (Source)

    22 December 2010: Government blocks bid by Natural Dairy to buy the 16 Crafar farms on ‘good character’ grounds.

    27 January 2011: KordaMentha accepts offer from Shanghai Pengxin International Group Ltd to buy Crafar Farms.

    31 May 2011: National Party receives $100,000 donation from Susan Chou. (Source)

    22 July 2011: ORAVIDA LTD registered. Shareholders: Jing Huang, Julia Jiyan Xu, and Deyi Shi. (Source)

    27 July 2011: ORAVIDA PROPERTY LTD changes name to KIWI DAIRY INDUSTRY LTD. Shareholder: Deyi Shi (Source)

    13 April 2011: Shanghai Pengxin lodges application with the Overseas Investment Office (OIO) to buy the Crafar farms.

    26 September 2011: Crafar farms receiver KordaMentha rejects a conditional NZ$171.5 million offer for 16 central North Island dairy farms from a group led by controversial former merchant banker Michael Fay.

    22 November 2011: National Party receives $50,0000 donation from Citi Financial Group. Shareholders: Yan Yang and Qiang Wei. (Source) (Source)

    22 November 2011: National Party receives $1,600 from Oravida NZ. (Source) (Source)

    26 November 2011: NZ General Election

    30 November 2011: National Party receives further $55,000 donation from Oravida NZ. (Source) (Source)

    27 January 2012: Government ministers approve Shanghai Pengxin’s application to purchase 16 Crafar farms.

    15 February 2012: High Court delays sale of Crafar farms to Shanghai Pengxin.

    20 April 2012: Government ministers , Land Information Minister Maurice Williamson and Associate Finance Minister Jonathan Coleman approve the Overseas’ Investment Office’s (OIO) new recommendation to allow the sale of the 16 Crafar farms to Shanghai Pengxin.

    * “Milk New Zealand Holding Limited” is the official applicant and purchaser of the 16 Crafar farms. It is supposedly a subsidiary of Shanghai Pengxin,

    “ Applicant

    3. The Applicant is Milk New Zealand Holding Limited (“the Applicant”), a Hong Kong incorporated company which is an overseas person under the Act.

    4. The Applicant will register as an overseas company under the New Zealand Companies Act 1993 prior to acquiring the Investment. The Applicant does not have any current interests in New Zealand as at the date of this Application.1

    1 The 99% ultimate owner of the Applicant, Zhaobai Jiang, has a [redacted]% interest in a company ([redacted*])that has applied for consent to acquire development land at [redacted] . No decision has yet been made on this application.” – Source

    (*Note: Despite OIO redacting the second company, this blogger has found that it is actually “NATURE PURE LIMITED“. Terry Lee and Zhaobai Jiang are both listed as Directors.)

    Despite numerous company name changes; newly registered companies; and a lengthy trail of shareholders, the one link that does stand out between Shanghai Pengxin and financial donations to the National Party is Terry Lee.

    Mr Lee, along with Deyi Shi and Xing Hong, registered KIWI DAIRY CORPORATION LIMITED on 2 December 2009, which, after several name changes, ended up as ORAVIDA NZ LIMITED on 13 May 2011. Xing Hong was also a one time Director of ORAVIDA NZ LIMITED and ORAVIDA PROPERTY LIMITED.

    Deyi Shi is still a current Director of both ORAVIDA NZ LIMITED and ORAVIDA PROPERTY LIMITED.

    On 22 and 30 November, 2011, the National Government received donations totalling $56,600 from Oravida NZ Ltd.

    A further $300,000 was donated to National by Auckland businesswoman, Susan Chou, who, through her husband Zhaowu Shen, had a connection with Jack Chen and NZ Natural Dairy Ltd – the first unsuccessful attempt by Chinese investors to gain control of the Crafar farms.

    Two months later, on 27 January 2012, National approved the sale of 16 Crafar farms to Shanghai Pengxin subsidiary, Milk New Zealand Holding Limited.

    Readers are invited to draw their own conclusions from the facts presented.

    http://fmacskasy.wordpress.com/tag/crafar-farms/

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  49. Pete George (23,427 comments) says:

    And while the Greens think ‘evil coalition’ is ok they got upset over ‘Daconomics’.

    ‘Daconomics’ bad, ‘evil coalition’ ok?

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  50. hj (6,826 comments) says:

    Can any of you define xenophobia?

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  51. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    Can any of you define xenophobia?

    Xenophobia is the feeling that led you to ask this question.

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  52. hj (6,826 comments) says:

    Land sales are o.k between populations that are reasonably balanced but not overpopulated developing countries like China where a handfull of cockroaches (property developers) have ripped of peasants with the help of local officials and are cashed up enough to deal with our own Cockroaches.

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  53. Ed Snack (1,833 comments) says:

    Why doesn’t Russell just come out and say it directly, that he, like Winston, just doesn’t like them little slit eyed yellow bastards. Racism and Greens seem to go together just so easily, but of course, it has to be the RIGHT sort of racism, so it’s just as well that it isn’t black (or the “right” sort of brown) who are wanting to buy our land.

    The other odd thing is one would have thought that Russell would admire the Chinese for the government and the powers that it has and most definitely exercises over its citizens.

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  54. orewa1 (428 comments) says:

    Sean – “long bow”

    Bullshit. That’s your opinion. You are entitled to it.

    Mine is an honest and informed one.

    So please spare me being labelled “Xenophobic.” My view has zero to do with Chinese people, and everything to do with Chinese practices and policies in farming, human rights, food safety, land ownership and the like.

    People like you use cheap shots and labels to stifle too much serious debate.

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  55. hj (6,826 comments) says:

    Xenophobia is the feeling that led you to ask this question.
    ……
    It is only a phobia if it is an unreasonable reaction. Is it unreasonable not to trust a self interested elite?

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  56. hj (6,826 comments) says:

    Money overcomes racism.
    http://www.voxy.co.nz/business/harcourts039-showcase-china-generating-quotserious-interestquot/5/60035

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  57. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    It is only a phobia if it is an unreasonable reaction. Is it unreasonable not to trust a self interested elite?

    If you are the absolute determiner of your own reasonablness then, based on your definition, phobia’s probably don’t exist.

    I support the rights of individuals to sell their property to whoever they choose. Having the state intervene by determining acceptable traits base on race is wrong, but sadly all too common here already

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  58. hj (6,826 comments) says:

    Rod Oram:
    Fonterra’s farms in China are good for both counries but the same doesn’t apply to the Crafar deal.

    “but this is the big one: Katherine, we are talking here about a one hundred year business model and one which has screwed NZ. I’m sorry but I can’t be more blunt than that. Cast your mind back to the meat industry (for example) and the Vestey Group from the U.K who owned farms here , who owned shipping, who owned processing and they owned the Dewhurst chain of butchers shops in the U.K We made a bit of money helping them farm that and our exports looked good but very little of that stuck to the economic ribs of NZ. And if how that screwed uop the meat industry, think how it will screw the dairy industry. What Shanghai Penxian is offering is a 100 year old re run of that model. “
    Katherine Ryan:
    “Why then is the government doing it”
    Rod Oram:
    “I would argue that the government has niether the intelligence or the courage to go to the Chinese government and say: “yes we are extremely interested in your foreign investment in NZ, but let’s make it like your other investment that’s been highly productive in Taiwan (opps probably bad example), like Ireland, in other words that enables us to do something we couldn’t do ourselves. Shanghai Penxian doesn’t do that, but unfortunately this government and its economic strategy doesn’t do that. It is trying to do is push on incremental growth of existing businesses. And it
    is cutting some very dangerous corners in its failure to analyse that properly. I would apply that to this to the casino issue and I would apply it time and again to the decisions it makes.
    Katherine Ryan [more why, why]
    Rod Oram:
    “Shania Twain doesn’t have the same economic impact. It doesn’t set a precedent with a very powerfull counter party (I.e China Inc), at some time you have to draw a line . In the sand, we should have drawn it a while ago.”
    Katherine Ryan:
    “Why is it a Chinese bidder that has to be that line when you have someone like James Cameron buying up in the Waiarapa? Why is it now we have to draw a line in the sand?”
    Rod ORam:
    “First of all I want to make something incredibly clear, I’m a huge believer foreign investment but it has to be foreign investment that is good for them and good for us and this isn’t. And it’s not an anti Chinese thing. We should have drawn the line in the sand a very long time ago by approving this decision a second time the government has made it very, very much harder, particularily with applicants from the States, Germany and China who are already large investors in dairy here.”
    Katherine Ryan:
    “But that’s exactley the point, why now, why should this case be any different from those that have been approved?”
    Rod Oram:
    “There is a very important concept that applies to cases like that and I’ll draw a parralel with the RMA . If your in a water catchment and have been taking water to irrigate your farmland, and lots of other people take water and get consents. If yours is the same but if your application tips it over into over allocation, the RMA is ill equipped to deal with that. It can’t handle with our laws in NZ cumulative impact. And it is incredibly easy and just so lazy of the government to just say: “oh we have to do this because we are under pressure from China”.
    Katherine Ryan:
    “Why is this different. Why has this point been reach”
    Rod Oram:
    “This is different because unlike say, the Harvard University Endowment Fund or a German Agri business, Shanghai Penxian is an integrated marketer and producer. This throws us way back to the Vesteys of hundred years ago.”
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2516746/business-with-rod-oram.asx

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  59. hj (6,826 comments) says:

    @ Pete George your leader goes in batting for big tobbaco, realestate agents, property investors (he called a capital gains tax an “envy tax” …wow .. a man of the people) and any cockroach with the money.

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  60. Seán (397 comments) says:

    So please spare me being labelled “Xenophobic.” My view has zero to do with Chinese people, and everything to do with Chinese practices and policies in farming, human rights, food safety, land ownership and the like.

    orawa1 – And now you take the strawman approach, let alone a misquote. Good luck with that.

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  61. Bob R (1,358 comments) says:

    ***If anything is evil, it is xenophobia.***

    You’re presumably not a big fan of Japan or Israel then David?

    Or would you support foreign ownership of large areas of Israel? Followed to its logical conclusion you would be saying that Israel has no right to exist. After all, xenophobia is evil so what moral basis would there be for Israeili’s to oppose foreign ownership?

    Care to elaborate DPF?

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  62. Pete George (23,427 comments) says:

    @ hj – can you give any specifics or are you just on a general bashwagon? You can start with substantiating your “batting for big tobbaco” accusation.

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  63. Matt (226 comments) says:

    So why don’t the greens lead the way and place legal covenants on property owned by themselves stipulating that it may not be sold to a foreign national?

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  64. Bob R (1,358 comments) says:

    Rampant xenophobia in South America :)

    “The Brazilian government, under the previous president, Lula da Silva, in 2010 reinterpreted the law to restrict foreign investment in agricultural land after watching foreign governments including China, South Korea and the Gulf states buying land in Africa and elsewhere to increase their food security.

    ‘Some of these countries are great partners in other areas, but having them buying land in Brazil creates some sort of sovereign risk for us. This is not part of our plan and we are not going to allow that,’ Rossi pointed out.”

    http://www.propertywire.com/news/south-america/brazil-land-ownership-foreigners-201103215038.html

    The bill proposed for Argentina follows a tendency in Mercosur countries. Brazil already has legislation limiting the purchase of land by foreigners; in Uruguay every farmland transaction gives the state the first option and in Paraguay, land property is restricted to nationals, although for years there have been ways of circumventing the norm. The current administration is looking into ways of eliminating loop holes.

    http://en.mercopress.com/2011/04/28/argentina-will-limit-farm-land-holdings-and-purchases-by-foreigners

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  65. hj (6,826 comments) says:

    You’ll have to take over Pete:

    Screening for Ministerial appointments? Systems failure in Peter Dunne’s appointment as a New Zealand Revenue and Associate Health Minister
    MP Peter Dunne has recently been appointed as a Minister outside cabinet for two positions, Associate Minister of Health and Minister of Revenue. These appointments may be relevant to a wide range of health issues in New Zealand, the Pacific region, and elsewhere. This letter focuses on his record on tobacco issues, and considers some of the implications of his appointments.
    For nearly 20 years, Mr Dunne has taken a public position opposed to tobacco control. In 1987, while an Undersecretary of Health in the Labour Government, he was reported as describing those who wanted a ban on tobacco advertising as ‘elitist zealots’.1 Since he left the Labour Party in 1994, he has consistently voted against tobacco control initiatives.
    Mr Dunne has described the efforts in New Zealand to prevent the sale of tobacco to underage children as ‘fascist’,2 and tobacco control spending as a ‘scandalous waste of money in pursuit of some health zealots’ beady eyed political correctness.’3 Mr Dunne also described the 2003 New Zealand legislation for smokefree bars as ‘extremism’.4
    Speaking in Parliament to oppose the legislation,5 the evidence indicates that he used (without attribution) statements previously published on a website by Barry McKay of the Canadian tobacco industry front group PUBCO: The Pub and Bar Coalition of Canada.6 He incorrectly attributed these statements (about ventilation being a solution to secondhand smoke dangers) to a British Medical Journal article.
    A December 1994 note from Paul Adams of British American Tobacco, to Peter Dunne, stated that it accompanied 100 pounds:
    ‘to help pay for your ‘Awayday’. I do hope you will enjoy yourselves.
    I would be grateful if you could get receipts for your expenses and pass them to the driver, even large companies have to account for their money!
    Enjoy your visit to England.’7
    In 2003, the month before this tobacco industry document was revealed, he was reported as saying:
    ‘I am constantly labelled by the health sector as a tool of the tobacco industry or a stooge … I cannot remember when I last met with someone from the industry.’ 8
    In 2000, when the possibility of tobacco companies being sued by government was raised, Mr Dunne stated that Labour Prime Minister Helen Clark had a ‘fanatical anti-smoking obsession’ and described ASH NZ as an extremist pressure group.9 In 2001, Prime Minister Helen Clark said that ‘he had consistently picked up issues in support of the tobacco and pharmaceutical industries.’10
    That a politician with this track record can be appointed to a Ministerial role in the health portfolio is a side effect of the MMP political system New Zealand now has (given he is a leader of a minor party in a type of government coalition). Nevertheless, it also indicates a design fault in the way the New Zealand political process selects new ministers.
    That is, there is no systematic publicly transparent review process for ministerial appointments, or a public appraisal of a ministerial candidate’s past support for commercial vested interests in the portfolio area they are considered for. Until such a transparent and effective system is established, it may be appropriate for the public (and the rest of Parliament) to at least tightly monitor the performance of such Ministers. In particular, non-governmental organisations need to take a monitoring and advocacy role to minimise any damage by such Ministers to important regulatory and legislative controls that protect public health and society.
    Or perhaps Mr Dunne should come with a warning label?
    George Thomson
    Department of Public Health, Wellington School of Medicine and Health Sciences
    University of Otago, Wellington
    Nick Wilson
    Department of Public Health, Wellington School of Medicine and Health Sciences
    University of Otago, Wellington
    Competing interests: Both authors have worked for health sector agencies concerned with tobacco control.
    References:
    ASH NZ. Tax take influences Undersecretary for Health. ASH Newsletter. December 1987. (28): p.1. [Reporting a statement on Radio New Zealand December 1, 1989]
    Dunne P: Speech on the Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill (No. 2) 10 July 1997. In. Parliamentary Debates: In Committee. Wellington; 1997.
    New Zealand Press Association. Smoke-free Act ‘$44 million waste of money’. Dominion (newspaper). Wellington: 20 March 1998.
    Watkins T. Secret smoking agenda denied. Dominion Post (newspaper). Wellington: 5 July 2003.
    Dunne P: Speech on the Smoke-free Environments Amendment Bill: In Committee: November 12, 2003. In. New Zealand House of Representatives Parliamentary Debates (Hansard). Wellington; 2003. Available online. URL: http://www.clerk.parliament.govt.nz/hansard/Hansard.aspx Accessed November 2005.
    McKay B. New UK ventilation study proves succesful? PUBCO: Pub and Bar Coalition of Canada. Available online. URL: http://www.pubcoalition.com/html/articles_uk_vent.htm Accessed November 2005.
    Adams P. [Note to Peter Dunne]. British American Tobacco; 19 December 1994. Available online. URL: http://tobaccodocuments.org/guildford_misc/500016895.html Accessed http://tobaccodocuments.org/guildford_misc/500016895.html November 2005
    Luke P. Dunne sees fine future in United. The Press (newspaper), Christchurch: 27 September 2003.
    Dunne P. Press release: Clark’s anti smoking obsession shows government’s dark and frightening side. Wellington: United New Zealand Party; 16 March 2000.
    Edwards B. PM, husband in huge row. The Evening Post (newspaper). Wellington: 15 March 2001.
    *

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  66. seanmaitland (493 comments) says:

    @Longknives – wrong – True Lies was and still is a brilliant send up of James Bond.

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  67. jcuk (665 comments) says:

    I am sure one could find equal hypocracy in the actions of all political parties …it is par for the course for politicians.
    In this case the details may be suspect but the principle is valid … but trust the self seeking right wing to knock it on the head.

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  68. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    The Luddite co-leader is a disgrace and an insult to all rational and thinking citizens.
    The mind boggles at the thought of this economic illiterate attaining political power.

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  69. Keeping Stock (10,264 comments) says:

    Interesting sources you quote from HJ; neither Frank Macskasy nor Rod Oram is particularly neutral.

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  70. Bogusnews (477 comments) says:

    What I think is high time for is some media scrutiny of the greens, but I doubt this will happen anytime soon.

    I remember when HC was in power seeing the front page news of the grand coalition of Labour and greens was announced. I waited (in vain) for some media scrutiny of this. How would the coalition work, who would be the likely members in power, what were their backgrounds, how would the odd policies of the greens sit with labour (such as wanting to ban over 80 separate items) etc.

    Sadly, there was nothing. No scrutiny, no analysis, nothing. In my view, this is a big reason why the mad greens are in such a powerful position at the moment.

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  71. Pete George (23,427 comments) says:

    hj, this is apt for a post on hypocrisy:

    In 2001, Prime Minister Helen Clark said that ‘he had consistently picked up issues in support of the tobacco and pharmaceutical industries.’

    That a politician with this track record can be appointed to a Ministerial role in the health portfolio is a side effect of the MMP political system New Zealand now has (given he is a leader of a minor party in a type of government coalition).

    Clark appointed Dunne as Associate Minister of Health in 2005.

    You’re quoting people who think Dunne doesn’t go far enough with tobacco control – including total bans. But their facts are deficient.

    Since he left the Labour Party in 1994, he has consistently voted against tobacco control initiatives.

    Price is one of the most effective deterrents to smoking. Since 1994 Dunne is now in his fourth term as Minister of Revenue, and tobacco excise tax keeps being raised, which he must vote for.

    29 Apr 2010 – Parliament has given overwhelming support to a tobacco tax increase that will raise the price of a pack of 20 cigarettes by about a dollar
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3634098/Government-increases-tobacco-excise-tax

    24 May 2012 – Tobacco excise taxes will increase by 10 per cent a year on 1 … to discourage smoking uptake and help more New Zealanders give up.
    http://www.sciencemediacentre.co.nz/2012/05/24/budget-2012-and-tobacco-taxes-experts-respond/

    This is consistent with UnitedFuture policy:

    UnitedFuture’s approach to drug policy is to concentrate on drugs that cause most harm to New Zealand communities. We believe that drug policy should be based on expert medical evidence and social sector advice rather than knee-jerk media hysteria.

    It is often overlooked but must be remembered that the two most harmful substances in New Zealand are alcohol and tobacco.

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  72. southtop (264 comments) says:

    HYPOCRITE!
    Born in Brisbane and member of the Oz Socialist Worker Party
    Heh a foreign communist
    HYPOCRITE!

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  73. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    Ha. After reading that partial transcript, perhaps he should be known as Rod “it’s just different, alright?” Oram

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  74. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    yes drag Exclusive Brethren over the coals for ‘evil’ interfering with democratic process because they volunteered their time for free, then use tax-money to pay people to get signatures on a ‘citizen-initiated referendum’ not evil, just hypocritical. Castigate people who release brochures they don’t agree with and when their own activists graffitti political posters call it ‘affirmative action’ and so it goes. When they do it it’s moral, I suppose.

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  75. hj (6,826 comments) says:

    Pete George, I am quoting Lancet.

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  76. hj (6,826 comments) says:

    krazykiwi (8,331) Says:

    I support the rights of individuals to sell their property to whoever they choose. Having the state intervene by determining acceptable traits base on race is wrong, but sadly all too common here already
    …………………..
    the problem with that is it isn’t your property to do as you want with. You merely occupy it (thereby excluding someone else).

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  77. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    @hj. Helen Clark is no longer relevant to New Zealand politics so I am not sure why you are you are bringing her good name into this debate.
    However if Peter says she was a fanatical anti-smoker then she probably was. That would fit with the left wing socialist need to control every facet of existence which goes completely against the concept of Free fucking Will.
    I would only object to sale of concepts or substances to youth due to their still developing brains and that goes for inappropriate sale of knowledge such as mis-targeted sex ed, adult films or access to social media as well as substances. But it should all be largely the domain of parents not the state to install theses boundaries.
    Once we’re grown ups we can do whatever we like as long as it doesn’t cause harm to others.
    Hows about you try prohibiting drugs and see what harm that causes.

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  78. Paulus (2,597 comments) says:

    I assume that GAA (GreensAgainstAnything) MP Julie-Ann Genter still an American Citizen ?

    First she must kick out her alma mater Harvard University’s farm/land ownership of over 200,000 hectares
    I know UnAmerican !

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  79. hj (6,826 comments) says:

    @ Monique Watson if everything should be left to free will then advertising should be strictly controlled as it interferes with free will. That is why they have teams of experts designing ad campaigns.

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  80. jrg (2 comments) says:

    I wonder if when the nutters next form government they will propose silly bills like this?
    If so I am terrified.

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