It’s Ryan

August 12th, 2012 at 1:45 pm by David Farrar

has selected Congressman as his Vice-Presidential running mate, as expected.

Ryan is Chair of the House Budget Committee and his pick signifies the campaign will continue to be on economic management. Romney is a fair way behind Obama in the polls. The choice of Ryan will help him, and he will be a contrast to the bumbling Biden. However at the end of the day people vote for the P, not the VP.

The NY Times reports:

The decision instantly made the campaign seem bigger and more consequential, with the size and role of the federal government squarely at the center of the debate. It was a choice intended to galvanize the Republican base and represented a clear tactical shift by Mr. Romney, who until now had been singularly focused on weak job growth since Mr. Obama took office.

“There are a lot of people in the other party who might disagree with Paul Ryan,” Mr. Romney said in announcing his vice-presidential candidate. “I don’t know of anyone who doesn’t respect his character and judgment.”

When Mr. Ryan bounded onto the stage to join Mr. Romney, against a backdrop of the retired battleship Wisconsin, he carried a generational message; at 42, he is 23 years younger than Mr. Romney and is the same age as Mr. Romney’s oldest son. Neither man has military experience or much background in foreign policy.

If Romney and Ryan do not win, Ryan may be well placed in 2016. He may stand for the House again also, as allowed to under Wisconsin law.

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68 Responses to “It’s Ryan”

  1. iMP (2,231 comments) says:

    Yes, folks vote for the P not the VP, but they also vote for the ticket (P+VP). Ryan’s budgetary constraint will be a huge pull to American voters come Nov. We had hoped Condalisa Rice, but this shows the Nov elections are all about SPENDING and the economy.

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  2. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    Help me out here- why would a so called “right wing blog” run commentary on Paul Ryan from such a notoriously left wing propaganda source as the New York Times?

    Why?

    There are so many other sources you could have chosen but you went for the NYT?

    Why?

    Just gobsmacking really.

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  3. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    What the NYT headline should have said:

    Romney picks Ryan: Declares War on the American people

    Romney/Ryan campaign slogan – Government of the 1%, for the 1%, by the 1%.

    Famous Romney quote: Eat cake, assholes!

    Just gobsmacking, really.

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  4. Ryan Sproull (7,025 comments) says:

    Good strong surname.

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  5. Don the Kiwi (1,580 comments) says:

    Luc Hansen gives his usual negativity and obfuscations.

    Paul Ryan is an excellent pick for Romney’s running mate. He will keep Romney focussed on true Republican policies, and a focus on the very sick and declinig US economy.
    Romney has an inclination to blow with the wind direction – like John Key – just a Weathervane.

    Romney for President!!

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  6. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    RINO!

    http://dailybail.com/home/busted-watch-tarp-republican-paul-ryan-begging-congress-to-v.html

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  7. Pete George (22,731 comments) says:

    At least I don’t expect he’ll claim he can see Canada from his house.

    The two men share an easy rapport and a love of PowerPoint presentations.

    That should turn US governance around.

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  8. metcalph (1,359 comments) says:

    Being against the TARP is like being against blood transfusions for accident victims. Where Obama went wrong was to use massive spending as a general panacea instead of using it to buy time to undertake necessary structural reforms.

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  9. mattyman1010 (32 comments) says:

    Take your time DPF.
    I’ll let you off considering it’s a Sunday ;-)

    I disagree regarding the polls. If you delve into the numbers it’s a dead heat!

    Fox News national poll Obama +9% (Dems over sampled by +9%)
    CBS/Quinnipiac CO: Romney +5 (R +5%) VA: +4% (D +7%) WI: Obama +6% (D +7%)

    So it’s a hell of a lot closer than these polls show. The most reliable Gallup and Rasmussen have it tied and Romney +2% and those figures are repeated with the state polls.
    Ryan is a fantastic choice, seniors may not like him regarding medicare but it really shows up Obama’s lack of a economic plan now. I get the feeling American’s a yearning for a plan, any plan, the first to show they have that plan will get a big advantage and be far more credible. Obama’s budget didn’t get a single vote from anyone in the house or senate and the senate hasn’t even tried to pass their own (illegally). The Dems lack of action I think will see them having a hard time come November. Just my opinion.

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  10. wat dabney (3,655 comments) says:

    Luc,

    The way I heard it, Romney plans on turning anyone on less than average wage into zombies.

    And shooting their pets.

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  11. Carlos (686 comments) says:

    Romney cannot win it. Obama can only lose it.

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  12. Mark (497 comments) says:

    So when are the democrats going to pass a budget – 1200 days and counting.

    $5 trillion more debt added and no end in sight – the CBO says by 2030 the US economy will collaspe.

    Where’s Obama plan? – more spending and more debt. Loser.

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  13. Luke Mutton (247 comments) says:

    A number of my US friends were sure that Romney would pick Rafalca as his running mate. Seems as though now it’s Ryan, Rafalca will just have to take the Sarah Palin route and descend in to reality tv and parody.

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  14. Reid (15,906 comments) says:

    Personally I tend to eschew US politics as presented in the MSM since I think it’s bullshit and the real decisions get made by people other than the voters, but for those who think it’s a real competition, here’s a few aposite WaPo observations:

    …how does Romney say the problem with Barack Obama is that he’s “never spent a day in the private sector” and then put Ryan a heartbeat away from the presidency?

    Ryan upends Romney’s whole strategy. Until now, Romney’s play has been very simple: Don’t get specific. In picking Ryan, he has yoked himself to each and every one of Ryan’s specifics. And some of those specifics are quite…surprising.

    Paul Ryan isn’t a deficit hawk. He’s a conservative reformer.

    Paul Ryan’s non-budget policy record, in one post.

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  15. xy (151 comments) says:

    GOOGLE WRONG PAUL

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  16. Fletch (5,994 comments) says:

    As I said on GD, check out this video from 2010 of Ryan destroying ObamaCare in 6 minutes – unpacking it, showing how much it will really cost and how much is “smoke and mirrors” and the “hidden costs” of having to count twice.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/08/11/Flashback-Ryan-Destroys-Obama-In-6-Minutes

    Watch Obama’s face – he does NOT like it. His fingers over his mouth etc. It’s hard being called on a con job.

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  17. adam2314 (377 comments) says:

    xy says ..

    GOOGLE WRONG PAUL.

    Have not googled it but … The other Paul.. as right as he maybe ( No pun intended ).. Has passed his use by date.

    This Paul appears to be on the RIGHT track..

    Never heard of him by the way !!!..

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  18. AndHow (5 comments) says:

    @Redbaiter: American right-wing politics are much different than New Zealand ones. DPF has proven himself to be more of a centrist on many occasions. I think that Paul Ryan just proves what Romney’s intentions for the American people really are. They are just a younger version of Bush/Cheney at the end of the day. We all know that means. I can sit and say that there is no way that Romney would get elected, but I said the same about Bush…when he was elected, I packed my things and moved to New Zealand.

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  19. PaulL (5,872 comments) says:

    Interesting choice. I’d thought that Romney would pick someone ethnic. The fact that he instead chose someone with ideas and competence tells me he’s serious about policies instead of identity politics. I think he’s a long shot, but it’s great that he’s trying.

    AndHow: a bit of Bush Derangement Syndrome there perhaps?

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  20. TheContrarian (1,073 comments) says:

    Just what the USA needs. Another zealot who puts Atlas Shrugged second only to the Bible.

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  21. wat dabney (3,655 comments) says:

    TC,

    Eh? For years the Republicans have been competing with the Democrats to increase the size and scope of the state and to put the entire nation on a path to bankruptcy. Had they been Randians their policies would have been the very opposite of what they actually were and the USA would not now be rushing towards the edge of the financial abyss.

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  22. JC (904 comments) says:

    So finally the US gets to have a real coversation and a clear choice. Ryan finally gives the Repubs an articulate voice on ideas.

    But two white straight arrows?.. thats hard.

    Incidentally, apart from being fiscally conservative Ryan is big on the Second Amendment, that will work for Virginia and the other places of the “bitter clingers”.

    JC

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  23. TheContrarian (1,073 comments) says:

    @Wat – I am aware Randian policies haven’t been in play but there are a lot of them floating around the hill and it isn’t what they need right now.

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  24. simonway (371 comments) says:

    Paul Ryan proposes a budget that will increase the deficit, but he styles himself as a deficit hawk. Right-wingers believe him. lol.

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  25. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    I predict a continuing dead heat and, is it Florida? may swing it to Romney. The rest of the swing states may fall the same way depending on the Latino population.Romney’s picked Ryan to push his own message that he has been poor at articulating and that is the dangers of collectivism. I saw Romney on a broadcast in Jan and he spoke of this and did the USA want to be a strong beacon or another Europe? (My words, not a direct quote).Though personally,I don’t think Obama is a shocking President. Looks like a great guy. it’s what he stands for innit? And that’s why I hope Obama-share doesn’t get another term.
    I’m sorry, what was wrong with Bush and Cheney again? Surely you don’t mean declaring war because some fuck-knuckles killed 3000 US citizens on U.S territory? Declaring war was completely warranted.

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  26. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    “Welcome the next President of the United States…Paul Ryan”. Hmmm does Mitt Romney know something everyone else doesn’t?

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  27. metcalph (1,359 comments) says:

    Ross,

    Obama made the same error when introducing Joe Biden.

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  28. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Time for the Democrats to celebrate.

    Not as bad as Palin, but still bad. Why not pick someone from Florida or Ohio?

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  29. metcalph (1,359 comments) says:

    What’s currently concerning me is how negative Obama’s campaign is getting.

    Given the economy is in the gutter, Hope and Change would be a sick joke if reused in 2012. I accept that some attacks against Romney are to be accepted (ie Bain Capital, weird and unconvincing etc) as being par for the course.

    But… going destructively negative (Romney commits tax felonies, Romney caused the cancer death of a worker’s wife) at this point in time (it’s only August) is rather unusual. You don’t make those sort of attacks when you are winning.

    I reminded of the last year of Helen Clark’s administration in which she threw everything against John Key (John Key will send troops to Iraq with massive loss of life, John Key committed H-fee fraud etc). The fear of losing, it seems to me, is more than a theoretical concept for the Obama campaign.

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  30. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    Nate Silver: A Risky Rationale Behind Romney’s Choice of Ryan.

    When is it rational to take a big risk?

    When the status quo isn’t proceeding in a way that you feel is favorable. When you have less to lose. When you need — pardon the cliché, but it’s appropriate here — a “game change.”

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  31. ephemera (563 comments) says:

    @Metcalph

    Yes, but Obama didn’t interrupt Biden’s speech like a douchebag to correct himself.

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  32. adam2314 (377 comments) says:

    Hamidad says..

    Not as bad as Palin, but still bad. Why not pick someone from Florida or Ohio?

    WHO !!…

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  33. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Jeb Bush

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  34. tom hunter (4,367 comments) says:

    I must admit that this pick surprised me, even though I knew Ryan was in the running and I think he’s a very capable man. There are two reasons why it surprised me.

    First is that Romney has never shown much desire to take any risk at all, which told me that he would simply play safe with someone who was bland and “non-Palin”.

    Second is that Romney has shown an inability to actually articulate and argue for business and capitalism, even though he’s been part and parcel of it. During the GOP primary, when Santorum and Gingrich unloaded what were classic left-wing attacks about Bain Capital, Romney seemed incapable of articulating a reply beyond some pablum about jobs created. Hopeless Bushian stuff. But what this choice shows is that Romney might actually be willing to have the fight that’s needed in this area.

    What really impresses me is that it shows that Romney is actually wanting to have those “big discussions” about “serious matters” that many people – both GOP and Democrat – always claim they want to have but never do. God knows the US needs to have those arguments in front of the public but I’d assumed the GOP would simply run screaming from the room before tackling Medicare/Medicaid. Of course in one respect they’ve got it easier than past GOP reps, in that Obama kicked the door wide open with hundreds of billions of dollars being extracted from Medicare to pay for Obamacare.

    There’s no doubt the Democrats will demonise Ryan’s (and now Romney’s plans) – perhaps with repeats of that great 2010 advertisement showing a Ryan lookalike pushing grandma off a cliff in her wheelchair. But so what, the debate has to be had, and with the European conflagration going on and $5 trillion in US debt added in four years to produce nothing new, perhaps the American people are finally ready for that so-called “adult” conversation.

    We will see. But with Ryan onboard, even if the conversation is lost this time, they’ll have gone down fighting – and things will only be worse by 2016.

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  35. PaulL (5,872 comments) says:

    Heh. Sorry Hamnida, that’d make your life too easy. Another Bush. No, not likely. He’d have gone with Rubio if he was looking for someone from Florida. Clearly he wanted the horsepower on the economy, not just a particular geographic or ethnic identity. Which means he’s seriously gearing up to fix the economy, not just talk about it. Which is pretty impressive – it’s the opposite of what Obama did, and the opposite of what Bush did.

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  36. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Time to pop the Budweiser on the steel belts.

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  37. PaulL (5,872 comments) says:

    Does that mean something? Genuinely lost on this one. Are we opening the beer using a tyre, or are we putting our beer on a stack of tyres? Or is there some other meaning I’m missing?

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  38. Frederick (39 comments) says:

    Monique Watson says

    “I’m sorry, what was wrong with Bush and Cheney again? Surely you don’t mean declaring war because some fuck-knuckles killed 3000 US citizens on U.S territory? Declaring war was completely warranted.”

    Fifteen of the 19 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia. Two were from the United Arab
    Emirates, one was from Lebanon, and one was from Egypt.

    My memory must have been failing me but I didn’t realise that the USA declared war on Saudi Arabia – I had long thought that they had completely fucked up and declared war on Iraq who had nothing to do with 09/11.

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  39. Jimmy Smits (246 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (447) Says:
    August 12th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    Help me out here- why would a so called “right wing blog” run commentary on Paul Ryan from such a notoriously left wing propaganda source as the New York Times?

    Why?

    There are so many other sources you could have chosen but you went for the NYT?

    Why?

    Just gobsmacking really.

    Because he’s not a meathead like you who sees the world as one side is good and the other side is completely evil.

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  40. Wade G (7 comments) says:

    I’m not sure why people are actually happy about this pick, if you thought Romney was alienating lower/middle class voters before, you better believe it can only get worse with Paul Ryan at his side. A great site to see political voting record is ontheissues.org, and for Ryan, it tells a sorry state of affairs : http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Paul_Ryan.htm . To be honest, I don’t know that much about Ryan, but from a little digging his voting record seems incredibly poor for social issues.

    Seems to have a strong dislike for homosexuals aswell :
    - Voted YES on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage.
    - Voted YES on Constitutionally defining marriage as one-man-one-woman.
    - Voted NO on enforcing against anti-gay hate crimes. (Apr 2009)
    - Rated 0% by the HRC, indicating an anti-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)

    He was cool with bailouts, but not stimulus.

    - Voted YES on $15B bailout for GM and Chrysler. (Dec 2008)
    - Voted NO on $60B stimulus package for jobs, infrastructure, & energy. (Sep 2008)

    The problem with this pick, is that I don’t see how it can win swing voters. His voting record indicates he appeals to out and out republicans, not even middle of the road voters.

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  41. tom hunter (4,367 comments) says:

    I’m not sure why people are actually happy about this pick, if you thought Romney was alienating lower/middle class voters before, you better believe it can only get worse with Paul Ryan at his side.

    I can’t speak for others but this right-winger is under no illusions about what will happen from here on politically. For a start the Democrats are going to flood the zone in Florida, screaming their brains out to every retirement home that Romney/Ryan are going to gut their social safety net. It’s going to get ugly. But as I said earlier, what the hell, it’s a fight worth having. It’s a fight we should be having in NZ, but we don’t have a Paul Ryan.

    People who love the entrails of politics will (and already are) working away on the idea that Romney has rolled the dice because his campaign is stalled in a tie with Obama. But I think he’s rolled the dice because he realises that the USA, like much of the West, has no choice but to confront the arithmetic of a dying welfare state. For all the crap from the Left about how much they care, the reality is that when the caring systems choke (as both the Social Security and Medicare actuaries are increasingly warning will happen) it’s going to be far worse than any savage spending cut the GOP could dream up. And in the US they don’t even need to look at Greece to make the point – they can simply cast their eyes West to the nightmare of the one-party state that is California.

    These institutions have finally pushed beyond economic theory into an out-and-out world where the additions come to less than the subtractions, and there is not a tax increase or tax reform in the world that is going to change that. Given that reality, I think this is a win for the Paul Ryan’s of this world (though not Romney). Any arguments made now that lose, are just going to be that much stronger after another four years of Hope and Change.

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  42. Other_Andy (2,261 comments) says:

    I am starting to warm to Ryan.
    He seems to have the lefties foaming at the mouth.

    So social issues is now the gay agenda?
    Tail wag dog…..
    Not fully endorsing all the demands is now “a strong dislike for homosexuals”?
    Going the full Alinsky here.

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  43. tom hunter (4,367 comments) says:

    So social issues is now the gay agenda?

    I realise this is your issue O-A, but just remember that the defenders of the vacuum-packed asshat that is the current POTUS, and all his little minions, will love nothing better than to talk about cultural warfare issues 24/7 until November 2nd.

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  44. Wade G (7 comments) says:

    Other_Andy that comment was in relation to the posted link, you can visit it if you like :). The gay agenda paragraph was added on since I know DPF is quite the gay rights advocate lately (Including marriage in NZ).

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  45. Other_Andy (2,261 comments) says:

    @Tom

    Would be interesting to see what happens when Obama wins.
    The socialist states of Europe are on the block with Cyprus, Greece, Italy, Portugal and Spain barely holding on.
    France just elected another socialist and will follow the rest.
    Like lemmings off a cliff.

    It seems the US voter is oblivious to all of this or do they think they are immune?
    The bulwarks of Europen socialism in the US, California and New York, are starting to feel the pain as well.
    But nobody seems to be willing to do anything.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/13/local/la-me-0513-state-deficit-20120513
    http://vantageb2b.com/blog/upstate-new-york-governments-face-impending-financial-crisis

    Whatever the outcome, the end of 2012 and 2013 will be interesting.

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  46. tom hunter (4,367 comments) says:

    But nobody seems to be willing to do anything.

    It’s really the same story as the McCarten thread. As much as I want to trash politicians the fact is that they’re followers rather than leaders 99% of the time – and on these issues of government taking care of your healthcare, your kids education and your pensions, most people are simply not willing to confront reality.

    The sad thing is that this seems to hold even on the brink of a crisis. Look at Greece; even after two years of agony and with nothing offered by their governments except years more of the same, some 70-80% oppose the measures that are the only thing getting them their loans (in that I happen to agree with them, austerity was needed decades ago but won’t work now), while 70-80% oppose leaving the Eurozone, the only option that might give them the economic growth they need. Similarly with California – they elected Jerry “Moonbeam” Brown to be Governor, FFS!

    I’ve reached the point where I think that the only thing that will “save” any of us is flat-out bankruptcy. That’s a shitty solution, but people just cannot seem to let go of their illusions otherwise.

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  47. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    “Had they been Randians their policies would have been the very opposite of what they actually were and the USA would not now be rushing towards the edge of the financial abyss.”

    Yes, it would have already been in the abyss for some time.

    No news in the veep pick. Romney’s campaign managers obviously felt that he was losing the hard right Republican base. The McCain campaign did exactly the same thing with Palin, and it worked after a fashion. All Romney needs to do now is find some way of persuading the swing voters that Obama is a failure. Shouldn’t be too hard with the money at his disposal.

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  48. PaulL (5,872 comments) says:

    Tom – shouldn’t be too hard given he actually is a failure by any measure based on his goals and promises.

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  49. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    “Tom – shouldn’t be too hard given he actually is a failure by any measure based on his goals and promises.”

    So is every politician by that measure. Given the cards he was dealt, Obama has been pretty successful politically. I never thought his health bill would pass in any form.

    Nobody can fix the US’s internal political and economic problems in any way, shape or form, left or right. Their constitution made it so by more or less demanding overwhelming majorities for real action. But regional, ethnic and cultural rivalries make such a majority impossible. The place is a basket case. They make our demented politics look sane. That’s what you get for trying to run a 21st century country by 18th century rules.

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  50. tom hunter (4,367 comments) says:

    The place is a basket case.

    As opposed to those bastions of rational, sensible decision making backed by overwhelming majorities in France, Spain, Greece, Portugal, Italy, Japan, Britain, …..

    You’re really on fire tonight with emotive, dim-bulb assertions.

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  51. PaulL (5,872 comments) says:

    Yeah, I think US has problems, but as always, looking to politicians as the cause is not sensible. People get the politicians they vote for. The system may make that easier or harder, but the reality is that voters should be looking at themselves.

    The US has interesting politics as, despite having a two party system, they don’t coalesce around the centre. They offer genuine alternatives between small govt and big govt (except when politicians like Bush promise small govt and deliver big govt). Unlike many systems like NZ and Australia that tend to have common ideas and election campaigns run on managerial competence (i.e. same policies, different people running things).

    My thoughts on what that is aren’t really to do with 18th century rules, but instead based on:
    – voluntary voting and low turnout. You have a genuine choice between chasing independents and energising the base. Either can increase vote percentage – in NZ and Aus the only place to get more votes is in the centre
    – primary campaigns, and therefore the need to stay onside with the base so as to even get nominated

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  52. Manolo (13,315 comments) says:

    The USA is doomed if the incompetent Kenyan wins a second term.

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  53. Manolo (13,315 comments) says:

    DPF has proven himself to be more of a centrist on many occasions.

    Dead right. More often than not, he comes across like a progressive, a true (il)liberal left-winger.
    A reflection of today’s National Party, I suppose.

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  54. kiwi in america (2,431 comments) says:

    During the health care debate Obama made a pathetic show of bi-partisanship (before ramming Obamacare through the Senate via the reconciliation process reserved only for tax bills) by holding a talkfest that he chaired at Blair House. Ryan wiped the table with Obama and was the only Republican who was not only able to best Obama but he managed to really get up Obama’s nose and irritate him without bitterness or rancour. This is a taste of the debate to come – and Ryan will handle it superbly.

    Yesterday the streets of Manassas, VA were lined with people out to watch the new ticket motorcade pass and the venue whre Ryan was introduced was packed to overflowing with people still lined up trying to get in. Now maybe the Romney campaign is really good at crowd turnout but that contrasts markedly with the smaller and half full venues that Obama is forced to face due to the loss of fervor amongst his base.

    With the stroke of a pen this election will switch from demonizing Romney about Bain and tax returns to the entitlement and budgetary crisis that America faces – dodgy territory for Obama. Romney was already finding his voice to articulate why free market capitalism trumps big government statism courtesy of Obama’s ‘you didn’t build that’ gaffe but Ryan brings a whole new level of intellectual heft and fresh faced articulation of the core vision of limited government.

    This will be an epic, ugly and vicious fight. The media with stoop to new lows in shilling for Obama and carrying his water, polls over sampling Democrats will continue to be rolled out to prop up the meme that Obama is leading Romney, unions and other reliable lefty ground forces will use all the voter registration tricks in the book to skewer results, the scare tactics and bottom feeding ads will make the ‘Mrs Soptic’s cancer was Romney’s fault’ look like a mild entree but Ryan had ensured the energy of the tea party that was the real force behind the huge Repubican wave in 2010 will now be fully committed to the election of a man many conservatives have felt squeamish about supporting – until now!

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  55. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    Nice one KIA.
    @Paul L. @9.07. I don’t know if that was meant to be hilarious but it uckin funny.
    @Frederick. It’s the Us. As the song goes: “We got the bomb baby. Nuclear fucking weapons”.
    Anything else is irrelevant in the face of duty to the citizens to protect the nation and it’s citizens from any perceived threat. You sit where I’m sitting – it’s the safest place in the world because the might of the US, and it’s allies are straight onto threats whether or not anyone approves. And someone else said it earlier. You can move to NZ if you want to sit around and sing Kumbaya and pat each other on the back for being good little socialists. I don’t know if New Zealanders are really any safer to reside even taking the colorado like shootings into account. Three people got murdered just streets away from where we lived in the last ten years before we moved.

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  56. big bruv (13,209 comments) says:

    How long before the Romney/Ryan partnership receives the kiss of death in the form of an endorsement by Sarah Palin?

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  57. Longknives (4,390 comments) says:

    “Surely you don’t mean declaring war because some fuck-knuckles killed 3000 US citizens on U.S territory? Declaring war was completely warranted”

    “And someone else said it earlier. You can move to NZ if you want to sit around and sing Kumbaya and pat each other on the back for being good little socialists”

    “As the song goes: “We got the bomb baby. Nuclear fucking weapons”.

    To borrow a quote from Edmund Blackadder- I love you Monique Watson, and I want to have your babies…

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  58. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    :)
    I’ve had me babies. I’m now onto breast implants. Maybe. There seems to be no moral objection to enhanced boobies in U.S.A, unlike the largely presbyterian NZ.
    And you have to investigate these things in the land that invented Barbie.
    Right wing Barbie that is :)

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  59. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    Good graphic:

    http://graphics.latimes.com/2012-election-electoral-map/

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  60. Longknives (4,390 comments) says:

    Phoar Crikey!

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  61. Paulus (2,490 comments) says:

    Continuing the Decline and Fall of the US Empire.

    Started after WWII when US felt that they were the new God’s gift to the World, then Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan where at every point they lost.

    Arrogance personified, and I worked for them for some years in a tax advantageous offshore domicile in the 1970s, but was sad to watch their political gameplays falter. Individually some are really very nice, but when collective they show off to outdo each other. As a Pom it is interesting to watch, not being part of their games.

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  62. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    Ryan/Romney event livestream,

    http://fox6now.com/on-air/live-streaming/

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  63. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    “As opposed to those bastions of rational, sensible decision making backed by overwhelming majorities in France, Spain, Greece, Portugal, Italy, Japan, Britain, …..”

    The executive in those countries can effectively govern (perhaps not well or to your taste, but they can do it – even Greece now has a government capable of passing legislation). The problem that some of them have is with pleasing the voters. That’s different from having the government itself perpetually log jammed due to constitutional deficiencies, which is the American problem. Syriza can’t hobble the Greek government the way that the Republicans can hobble Obama – the Greek system does not allow it (in fact it attempts to prevent it by giving the electoral winner free seats).

    So you were wrong.

    “You’re really on fire tonight with emotive, dim-bulb assertions.”

    Whatever, bro. You’re one to talk. It’s obvious that you’re a complete lightweight.

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  64. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    “People get the politicians they vote for. The system may make that easier or harder, but the reality is that voters should be looking at themselves.”

    If they would just unpolarize themselves… ;-)

    “The US has interesting politics as, despite having a two party system, they don’t coalesce around the centre.”

    That was kind of my point. They have to in order for their system to work, because it is designed to require a high level of consensus. In the past this sort of bipartisanship was common for various reasons (including regionalism over party loyalty, pork barrel politics, etc.). All it takes to throw a spanner in the works is for one side to refuse to co-operate at all with the other, and that seems to have happened. The centrist Republican is becoming an extinct species, whilst the democrats have still their share of blue dogs.

    “My thoughts on what that is aren’t really to do with 18th century rules, but instead based on:
    – voluntary voting and low turnout.”

    I wish I knew the solution to that.

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  65. Kovac (29 comments) says:

    Redbaiter: Was there something wrong with the information provided by the New York Times?

    Was it not factual or perhaps flawed in its reporting somehow?

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  66. tom hunter (4,367 comments) says:

    The executive in those countries can effectively govern (perhaps not well or to your taste, but they can do it – even Greece now has a government capable of passing legislation).

    This may come as a surprise to you (I imagine many things do), but the Greek “executive” was effectively dumped and replaced by an EU appointed PM (a Goldman Sach’s protege no less) at one stage, after the previous PM talked of having a referendum on all the legislation he was being asked to pass. The term “resignation” was employed with a straight face. Even the now elected governments of Greece, Spain and Portugal have to pass legislation as defined by the infamous “Troika” of the IMF, ECB and EU officials or they don’t get their bailout money.

    It does not get more “basket case” than not being in control of one’s own destiny as a nation and having to pass legislation precisely as foreigners tell you.

    The problem that some of them have is with pleasing the voters. That’s different from having the government itself perpetually log jammed due to constitutional deficiencies, which is the American problem. Syriza can’t hobble the Greek government the way that the Republicans can hobble Obama

    Another leftist who is a lover of supreme executive power as wielded by the Great Leader, at least until the next election – assuming there is one: what a surprise.

    Funnily enough the American Founders designed their system precisely to frustrate just such people and their worshipers. If you actually had any real clue as to how the US government works you’d know this. The reason poor old Obambi is “hobbled” now is precisely because the American voters were not very pleased after two years of overwhelming Democrat control of all branches of government, which resulted in them giving the Democrats a huge boot up the ass in 2010 and handing control of the House back to the Republicans. That’s about as clear a message from the voters as one can get that they wanted Obama to be “hobbled” and “logjammed”.

    And naturally enough, having one’s dingbat ideas stopped cold by the voters has resulted in the Democrat talking point (slavishly repeated by you in your next comment) that the whole problem is those nasty, extremist Republicans who won’t compromise. Strangely, despite still having control of the Senate the Democrats in the chamber have not even tried to submit a budget for three years now, a matter that cannot be filibustered and an ongoing breach of the law. Sounds pretty extremist, uncompromising and partisan to me.

    It’s obvious that you’re a complete lightweight.

    Muhahaha. Better a lightweight than a flyweight like you.

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  67. mikenmild (10,610 comments) says:

    Didn’t the administration submit a budget request?

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  68. scrubone (3,044 comments) says:

    At least I don’t expect he’ll claim he can see Canada from his house.

    There’s no reason why what he actually says will be reported any more correctly than what Palin’s were. If the media are willing to edit out an intelligent answer and leave only the anacdote at the end for one VP canditate, then why stop there given they got away with it? Especially since the actual, post-edit quote is now forgotten in favour of the version which lampooned it as you so ably demonstrate.

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