Now that is irony

August 17th, 2012 at 8:58 pm by David Farrar

A couple of weeks ago The Listener profile on me included the quote from that I tend to have a more reasonable tone than which can be hard to read as it comes over embittered and angry.

And on Wednesday Josie Pagani facebooked in response to criticism (such as calling her a silly bitch) from some of The Standard people that they were like an anonymous lynch mob. Most of her post is actually attacking National on welfare.

So what do you do if you have been criticised for being a bit angry and embittered and a tendency to lynch people you disagree with?

You dedicate an angry and embittered post to lynching both Paganis, with the charming title “Two little Pagis squeal and squeak“. The post author is of course an anonymous coward who sees nothing wrong with slamming people who have the guts to stand behind what they say and link their reputations to it – but cowers behind a pseudonym.

The charming little thread, even had one regular make not very veiled death threats, using an analogy of an execution for treasons. And remember again this is how they respond to an accusation they are angry and get like a lynch mob. The irony is so overpowering it is staggering.

Now the commenters on a blog do not represent the views of the authors. But this was a post started by an author, purely to heap abuse on the two Paganis.

But do you know what is even more interesting. Do you know the crime that both Paganis are guilty of? They have dared to defend the Leader of the Labour Party David Shearer!

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49 Responses to “Now that is irony”

  1. toad (3,674 comments) says:

    The Greens are welcoming many new activist members, DPF.

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  2. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    The creatures who populate The Standard would do well in the higher altitudes and more remote outposts of Afghanistan. There is a remarkable similarity.

    I’m starting to wonder whether John Key consulted Karl Rove and then secretly financed The Standard.

    Brilliant strategy.

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  3. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Both Paganis are entitled to their views, however, beneficiary bashing is one important thing to avoid for a Labour leader. You don’t go near it, no matter what.

    What you do is create a fair welfare system and new jobs for New Zealanders who need them. The ultimate aim is full employment.

    If you think someone is abusing the system, talk to them about it. If that doesn’t work, you can have a chat with Work and Income.

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  4. Keeping Stock (10,337 comments) says:

    So you support the death threat then, do you Hamnida? Mustn’t buck the party line, eh…

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  5. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    @toad,

    The activists you say? So the activitsts, embittered at what they see as a betrayal of the core values of the Left by the Paganis, and those of their ilk, are seeking , and finding, solace in the Green Party?

    Really? Says a great deal about the Greens then doesn’t it?…

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  6. Grendel (1,002 comments) says:

    Yeah sure toad. More likely the kind of activists who like to go to forest ‘training camps’. who says you are going to swipe the ‘reasonable’ labour members? you are more likely to gain the violent nutters who like the fact that the greens see being arrested and property damage as a virtue.

    Must be fulfilling to know the only reason your party seems reasonable is because the larger party is eating itself. its not green support growing, its labour suppory sinking. but dont let it stop your sanctimony if it helps you recruit morons like hamnida.

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  7. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    No, I don’t support death threats.

    I believe Labour needs to move away from the Centre and provide a new alternative for New Zealanders.

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  8. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    beneficiary bashing is one important thing to avoid for a Labour leader

    Did it ever occur that he didn’t think what he said was bashing beneficiaries?

    Did it ever occur this guy who’s worked most of his life for the underdog per his UN background was merely adopting the realistic attitude based on this experience that: hang on, let’s not carried away with our bleeding heart here – let’s recognise, like the UN does, that not every single person who claims they’re a persecuted victim necessarily is that, in the real world?

    Did this ever occur to you and your ilk Hamnida, or did you merely respond, as you hysterical lefties do, to the dogwhistle?

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  9. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    No matter what, no beneficiary bashing. Help them find work, yes. Create jobs, yes. Let Work and Income investigate potential fraud, yes.

    But never ever should a Labour leader be caught beneficiary bashing.

    That is the domain of the Right.

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  10. Agent BS (10 comments) says:

    Given that the site is a haven for a few hardcore haters she shouldn’t pine too much. The Standard is a vile cess pit of unrealised ambition and failed dreams for the main part.

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  11. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    No matter what, no beneficiary bashing.

    Hamnida.

    Calling people who abuse benefits is not “bashing.”

    That’s what you and your ilk fail to get.

    It’s quite simple, so the assumption is, you’re being disingenuous.

    That’s about it, really.

    A bit like this drug testing.

    Hooray.

    Why the fuck should beneficiaries feel comfortable spending NOT THEIR MONEY ITS OURS GIVEN TO THEM OUT OF THE MILK OF HUMAN KINDNESS DUH on drugs? Why the fuck should beneficiaries feel comfortable about that? Let alone why is it mean that the people who give them this money, should not be allowed to say no, it’s not to be spent on drugs. Why the fuck should we who give them this money, not have a say in what it’s spent on. But no.

    According to lefty thinking, any control over beneficiary disposal of our money, even if its on drugs, is weally, weally cwuel and harsh and mean and nasty.

    That’s mental, Hamnida. It really is mate.

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  12. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Illegal drugs are just that, illegal. You can report any person, beneficiary or not, to the Police for purchasing and using illegal drugs.

    I am not saying people should abuse benefits. There is a process for dealing with people suspected on benefit fraud. Work and Income complete an initial investigation. If there is evidence of benefit fraud it then becomes a criminal matter.

    I can’t see how beneficiary bashing helps anyone. What will help is jobs, education, skills and training.

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  13. Lucia Maria (2,423 comments) says:

    Wow.

    From my perspective, having heard Josie on NewsTalkZB today or yesterday (sorry, my days have kind of rolled into each other, can’t remember which day it was), I really warmed to her because she was uncomfortable (or against) euthanasia. And other times I’ve heard her, she didn’t sound like a scary Labourite. Maybe that’s part of the perceived “problem” as well?

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  14. James Stephenson (2,173 comments) says:

    Hamnida, you’re just serving up another plate of delicious irony. You lot on the left have spent so long framing the Right as “beneficiary bashers” that it’s impossible for the Labour leader to side with PAYE working people. Hoist – petard.

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  15. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    You don’t think the Right are beneficiary bashers? Muldoon, Richardson, Shipley, Bennett?

    I am unapologetic in my view that those in genuine need should be able to access a benefit. If someone is mocking the system, it should be reported and investigated.

    Ideally, people would be paying PAYE tax and not be stuck on a benefit. That is simple economics, and why I support policy mechanisms to achieve full employment.

    I don’t support beneficiary bashing because:

    1. Communities take sides against each other
    2. It doesn’t deal with the root cause of the problem
    3. You shouldn’t ‘kick a man (sic) when he’s (sic) down’
    4. Why not concentrate on skills, jobs, education and training instead of put downs
    5. Often people are on benefits for reasons beyond their control e.g an off-shore company goes broke and they get made redundant

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  16. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    I am not saying people should abuse benefits.

    Yeah? So why has your side tolerated for so long, people doing nothing but smoking dope and doing P? Face it Hamnida, not to know that almost every single beneficiary both dole and sickness does this, lots, is either terminal naivity or profound, profound stupidity.

    One of the two.

    I mean do you seriously in your leftist fantasy, seriously hallucinate that the tens of thousands of young people in every city in the nation, out of work sitting at home doing nothing for week after week, haven’t been smoking themselves stupid, for coming up to decades now? WTF are ya? Stupid? WTF do you think those people have been doing all day every day, for years?

    If you don’t understand that Hamnida you and your leftist ilk understand nothing about people. And it’s frankly too fantistic for you not to have understood. The truth is, in fact, I guarantee, that you and your ilk have known this has been happening for decades, you’ve just been happy to tolerate it. No-one, repeat, no-one, could possibly have been ignorant of this massive, massive problem in society, just sitting there, waiting for action. And given that drugs are the biggest demotivator known to man, in terms of getting your life on track, what does that say about lefty policy.

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  17. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    I can’t be any clearer – the drugs you mention are illegal – whether it is benefit money or wages used to buy them.

    Young people shouldn’t be at home doing nothing, they should be at work, in education, or training.

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  18. Reid (16,442 comments) says:

    I can’t be any clearer

    Neither can I.

    Only a mental wouldn’t know that this has been going on widespread for years. As in, 90% of sickness and unemployment beneficiaries do it all the time. Wouldn’t you? They’re bored shitless.

    So given Liarbore has known about it for decades, how come nothing has ever been done, till now? Given, and this is the killer, given how debilitating drugs are in terms of “making it OK to do nothing” as Southpark once memorably put it. Isn’t it therefore, cruel to let beneficiaries indulge? Yes, it is. So why is Liarbore agin it? Do you guys hate beneficiaries Hamnida? Or do you just want their votes and don’t really care about them?

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  19. UpandComer (536 comments) says:

    Hamnida doesn’t understand:

    Not increasing benefits isn’t beneficiary bashing. As everyone here has pointed out, what people need isn’t money, it’s treatment, and that is what National, not Labour, is providing.

    What beneficiaries need is targeted help as individuals. I’ll keep saying it – until these reforms, there was ‘NO’ nationwide database with beneficiaries’ individual details/needs/wants/situtations. There was an employment history, often very sparse, maybe a criminal record, hospital records somewhere and an address to send the cash too. All of these details were/are disparately located. What a disgrace from Labour.

    Watch these reforms completely transform the state of our welfare. They are so good, the smarter (and that is a relative term) members of Labour will resist reversing them in future.

    The days of Labour’s ‘here’s some cash for you (minor, mentally disabled, physically disabled, no employment history, no nothing) fuck off and rot in the dark, but vote for us because we care’ are over, thankfully.

    Hamnida needs to understand that you can’t solve poverty by just giving people more money.

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  20. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    Hamnesia –

    “I am unapologetic in my view that those in genuine need should be able to access a benefit. If someone is mocking the system, it should be reported and investigated.”

    I’m confused. Isn’t this the kind of thing Shearer was implying?

    So are you “Beneficiary Bashing” too?

    Does this mean you deserve to be subjected to a spiteful post on the VDS (Very Double Standard) and people imply you should be killed?

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  21. berend (1,708 comments) says:

    Hamnida, I have some sympathy for your views that people shouldn’t be on a benefit. If you’re on a benefit you get $4.50 an hour, if you work you must be paid at least $13. Don’t you think the minimum wage has something to do with young people not making the first step on the jobs ladder?

    Is getting your first job not priced too high?

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  22. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    Ignorant peons, the standard is a computer program therefore does not have opinions.

    You are all banned for a week.

    Don’t make me ban you for life (it will cause me more erotic pleasure than you can imagine).

    lyn

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  23. Komata (1,191 comments) says:

    hamnida:
    Re: ‘Why not concentrate on skills, jobs, education and training instead of put downs’

    Sure, and its a great concept, but WHAT jobs?

    Exactly what jobs would labour create? They had nine years of power in which they could have created a huge number of jobs, and got NZ moving again towards prosperity, but at the end there were none. There were a lot more beneficiaries, but the job market hadn’t moved, and the country was broke.

    Indeed, as you would well know, labour has since came out AGAINST mining, against ‘youth rates’,against any of the extractive industries, against road building, and essentially against anything that is even remotely likely to cause and create jobs.

    So to repeat my question, , WHAT jobs; and please be realistic. Thanks.

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  24. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Now the commenters on a blog do not represent the views of the authors. But this was a post started by an author, purely to heap abuse on the two Paganis.

    But The Standard is obviously continuing to suppport the abuse by doing nothing about moderating it. And they permanently banned me for suggesting the levels of abuse were bad for the blog – Moderation at The Standard.

    And yesterday someone commented:

    I am completely opposed to the kind of rhetoric, strategy and policy that the Paganis advocate. I think I’m probably on the hard left side of the Labour party tent. But seriously: “two little paggis?” This pretty much proves their point. Are you 12 years old?

    And the unmoderated response included:

    And YOU want us to play F**king nice, F**k you,

    One of the J. Pagani’s is a public figure using the media to push the J. Pagani political message, that particular PIGani deserves every f**king slagging that PIGani f**king gets…

    That’s not unusual, I’ve been on the receiving end of plenty of that and worse, just the level has increased and it’s left versus left. The Standard labours lower.

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  25. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Further to the ‘death threat’ by Colonial Viper there have been more comments:

    Mike 22.3.2
    18 August 2012 at 2:08 am

    I don’t think death threats are an appropriate way to make your point
    This has already become far too personalised as it is.

    lprent 22.3.2.1
    18 August 2012 at 2:11 am

    I thought it was a reference to some characters in a daft scifi tv series that I generally avoid? What makes you think it is a death threat…

    Edit: Ok – I have just looked at whaleoil. I see that he has been indulging in his usual paranoid conspiracy theories and joining up way too many dots. Out of all of the possible meanings of having a few nasty characters in a TV show, he has selected the one that he prefers.

    He really is an juvenile idiot with a bit of a paranoid conspiracy complex..

    Next thing you know he will be implying that I’m gay because I have a “girls name”. Opps he has already done that. Or that an author here is someone in real life because they have a similar first name r0b vs Rob.. Umm he has done that as well.. Or he will decry everyone on a sickness benefit as some kind of bludger before going on one himself – perhaps he should give that to David Shearer…

    Basically the guy never grew out of being a schoolboy.

    So ‘moderator’-in-chief lprent ignores the death threat implications and launches into a wimp attack at Whale. Oodling with irony.

    This is Whale’s joining of the dots:
    “After regaining control of Galactica and defeating the mutiny, Adama has Zarek and Gaeta executed by firing squad.”

    Obviously Prentice’s Standard Empire Strike’s Back is more important to him than the Labour Party is.

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  26. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    Reid (11,371) Says:
    August 17th, 2012 at 10:45 pm

    I can’t be any clearer

    Neither can I.

    Only a mental wouldn’t know that this has been going on widespread for years. As in, 90% of sickness and unemployment beneficiaries do it all the time. Wouldn’t you? They’re bored shitless.

    So Reid you can support your ranting theories with facts can you?
    Show us where with real facts. Know plenty of people on benefits that simply are not in your druggie category.
    Just because it represents your youth doesn’t make it true.

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  27. Keeping Stock (10,337 comments) says:

    Here’s how Lynn Prentice has responded to John Pagani on Facebook:

    Lynn Prentice John: I banned you for making up some thing that you asserted was in a post and then abusing them. Basically it was a straw man technique, the same as you’d been warned about previously, and for that matter the same as Josie used this week. You got banned both for the offense and mostly for wasting my time.
    7 hours ago ·

    http://www.facebook.com/fran.osullivan.50/posts/450224908351702?notif_t=share_reply

    So wasting Lynn’s time is a hanging offence, but making carefully couched death threats is fine. That, ladies and gentlemen is how it is at The Standard. So I have invited a life ban:

    lprent – I would have thought that Colonial Viper’s comment would have been pretty obvious in its intent once you put it into context with the Battlestar Gallactica reference:

    “After regaining control of Galactica and defeating the mutiny, Adama has Zarek and Gaeta executed by firing squad.”

    Obfuscate all you like; there’s only one way to read Colonial Viper’s comment

    Feel free to add me to the list of life bans. I’d hate to be like John Pagani and be wasting your time; or mine, for that matter. But one day you might wake up and realise just how much damage The Standard is doing to the cause of the Left, and to the Labour Party in particular. Take your time though; after the 2020 election will be fine.

    I bid thee farewell.

    My days of visiting there are over. Best I now go and have a shower :P

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  28. Viking2 (11,467 comments) says:

    yep wash the crap off.
    Can’t understand why its taken so long for people to stop visiting the the sewer. Mashocistic behavoir.

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  29. Paulus (2,626 comments) says:

    Leave The Standard alone.
    They are fun to bait and shit stir as they take it all so seriously, particularly Carol – (Beaumont perhaps).
    She gets wound up so quickly and takes it all so seriously, without realising what a fool she makes of herself.
    I have been banned/moderated more than once.

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  30. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    The Greens are welcoming many new activist members

    Sadly, fascism was never short of keen volunteers.

    Young people have the greatest propensity of all for authoritarianism.

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  31. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    I think you Neolibs are better speakers than listeners:

    1. I promote policy that will assist beneficiaries into work via a hands-on case manager, increasing skills, training and education.

    2. There is a difference between Shearer, the Paganis, and me. Shearer and the Paganis openly put-down beneficiaries in public or in the media. I am suggesting that if someone is suspected of benefit fraud, Work and Income should investigate.

    3. I am not a member of the Labour Party.

    4. Even though I don’t see it regularly, I am prepared to accept there is a drug problem in New Zealand. In no way do I promote beneficiaries staying at home taking drugs, in fact, I don’t even support them staying at home unless there is a good reason.

    5. What jobs? If there is unemployment, people must up-skill. One current idea would be to start learning a trade so you can assist in the re-build of Christchurch.

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  32. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    And I don’t know why you Neolibs worry about the Standard so much. I didn’t even know the Standard existed before reading Kiwiblog a couple of weeks ago.

    The fact is there will always be Right wing blogs and Left wing blogs.

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  33. RF (1,396 comments) says:

    We have some very sick units on the left calling themselves Iprent & CV. Now one makes death threats and the other supports this by allowing them to be posted on his blog. Just confirms that Labour is the nasty party. I can see why John Key smiles and waves while the left goes down the toilet.

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  34. RF (1,396 comments) says:

    Ok after reading his explaination on another site i accept that CV did not make actual death threats and i retract that he did….but he is still a sick unit.

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  35. jims_whare (403 comments) says:

    In regards to beneficiaries and how comfortable their lifestyle should be I have a good analogy from dairy farming.

    At this time of the year most dairy cows are calving. Most calve perfectly fine but occasionally you get a cow that has problems calving and pinches a nerve which causes their back legs to become temporarily paralysed.

    This means they are unable to stand and walk around and eat.

    Now in order for the cow to become well again the farmer has to go into the paddock with a tractor and hip clamps and lift her up several times a day in order so that her leg muscles do not atrophy.

    While she is down the farmer needs to supply her with water and feed (hay or silage) to keep her alive until she is able to stand properly.

    Now the analogy kicks in that if the farmer makes her life too comfortable often the cow will lose her will to try and stand and walk around, they just stay sitting down, eating, drinking, and their muscles start wasting away. (Known as sulking)

    In order to stop this occurring it is often good to cause a little pain/aggravation to the cow in order for her to get angry and make an effort to get her legs moving and walk/run. This is done in the form of using a dog to bark at her and by the pain caused by the hip clamps lifting her up.

    Beneficiaries are the same. The left fail to realise that making life on the dole uncomfortable and with some pain is excellent motivation for the same folk to get their asses into gear and learn to fend for themselves again. Give them too much they will get lazy and atrophy away on the dole just like my paralysed cow.

    It’s not nice, but a little pain now is better than a wasted life.

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  36. RRM (9,917 comments) says:

    This leftist wonders why anyone would waste their time reading The Standard. Those people are just lunatics. It is impossible to take anything they say seriously.

    I would sooner ask my 8-year-old’s school friends what they think about politics…

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  37. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    DPF sums it up quite accurately when he refers to The Standard as coming across as “embittered and angry”.

    I used to read The Standard, looking for what I thought would be balance to Kiwiblog – Left versus Right. But the overwhelming atmosphere is one of bitterness, viciousness, and just plain nastiness. And they defend it as “plain speaking”; “the truth hurts”; and make out that as the Right is murdering little babies and trying to exterminate beneficiaries, then they are justified in talking as they do.

    It is a nasty little corner of the Internet, and left me feeling quite depressed with all the bitterness, bile and derogatory comments. I have more respect for myself than to visit it again.

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  38. kiwi in america (2,441 comments) says:

    Graham
    Its not just The Standard – it’s how the left roll. Try checking out Talking Points Memo, Daily Kos and Fire Dog Lake here in the US on the left and compare the foul language and uncivil level of debate with say Powerline, Hot Air or Red State. There is no comparison.

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  39. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    Amnesia: “There is a difference between Shearer, the Paganis, and me. Shearer and the Paganis openly put-down beneficiaries in public or in the media. I am suggesting that if someone is suspected of benefit fraud, Work and Income should investigate.”

    My point is that there are certain people who if they see someone publicly say ‘if someone is suspected of benefit fraud, Work and Income should investigate” they would see that as a ‘dog-whistle’ and then pillory whoever said it.

    By the way how do you define ‘neolib’?

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  40. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    I say this, because by making a value claim about your perception of how a public service (compared to say a non-pubic service one), should function is in itself a neo liberal position.

    Which raises the question – are you personally satisfied with the efforts and funding provided to WINZ so that they can investigate fraudulent claims?

    if not, why?

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  41. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Lee C – I have defined Neolib in the context of NZ in my own words on this blog so many times. I’ll try and find an historical post and paste it in here.

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  42. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    Try checking out Talking Points Memo, Daily Kos and Fire Dog Lake here in the US on the left and compare the foul language and uncivil level of debate with say Powerline, Hot Air or Red State. There is no comparison.

    So true.

    I’ve spent time randomly searching the internet for blogs to add to the rankings, and it’s amazing how often the tone of a blog gives away the political leanings before the content does.

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  43. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    I am unapologetic in my view that those in genuine need should be able to access a benefit. If someone is mocking the system, it should be reported and investigated.

    The left has a name for people who talk like this. You used it several times yourself.

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  44. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    Amnesia – Cool! Thanks – I know you time is valuable and all that would be so great. Any of your old definitions would be super. Thanks.

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  45. Dirty Rat (383 comments) says:

    A Death threat based on a line from some geeky sci-fi programme ?

    Now I’ve heard it all.

    nutcases , each and everyone of you

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  46. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    A blogger named after some geeky reference to old gangster movies?

    You make Cody Jarrett look like a rational guy.

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  47. Than (472 comments) says:

    Hamnida, if you could quote that historical post it would be much appreciated.

    When I asked previously you linked the wikipedia article on Neoliberalism, and a Google search only gave me the Urban Dictionary definition (Neolib; A liberal whose only political platform is “I hate George Bush”). Neither has anything to do with your usage in context.

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  48. Nick K (1,243 comments) says:

    The Greens are welcoming many new activist members, DPF

    More activists to drive around and damage and destroy other party’s billboards.

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  49. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    Wash your mouth out with soap, Nick – surely you mean to engage in ‘affirmative action’?
    Anyway who needs activists when you can just dip into the public purse and buy paid help?

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