Sio calls for same sex marriage bill to be dumped

August 8th, 2012 at 1:00 pm by David Farrar

Danya Levy at Stuff reports:

Labour’s MP for Mangere Su’a William Sio says he will be voting against the bill because there is widespread opposition within his electorate which has the highest population of Pacific Islanders in New Zealand, making up 58.8 per cent of voters.

Some ministers in Pacific churches were preaching against the bill and against Labour.

“This issue cuts deep into fundamental beliefs,” he told Radio New Zealand. “It will divide the community.”

Sio said the bill was causing unnecessary harm to Labour and should be withdrawn.

Even if Wall withdrew the bill, which she of course is not doing, then it is quite possible Kevin Hague’s similiar bill would be drawn, and just as many Labour MPs would vote for that bill, so I don’t think it would change anything.

Also the fact the PM is voting for it, may mean that any Pacific backlash is not against Labour. And sadly National polls do low in Mangere, that it has few votes to lose there!

There is a wider issue of whether the Pacific community really is against the bill. Some church leaders are, but I’d love to see some polling done of the Pacific community to ascertain what the majority opinion is.

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67 Responses to “Sio calls for same sex marriage bill to be dumped”

  1. kowtow (7,851 comments) says:

    If you want real polling then have a fricken referendum.

    Oh and those Pasifika are so thick they can only listen to their pastor……
    If that was the case there’d be no Pasfika crime,if only.

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  2. Andrei (2,528 comments) says:

    Heavens be praised an MP with the cojones to stand up to the pink fascists who are rewriting humanity to impose their pernicious agenda upon us.

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  3. RRM (9,589 comments) says:

    Now THIS thread is gonna be a good one. :-)

    :popcorn:

    http://media.funlol.com/pictures/4818.jpg

    The negro Poly community frowns upon your shenanigans homosexual shenanigans.

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  4. Grendel (965 comments) says:

    RRM thats a brilliant image, i need to find a use for it somewhere.

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  5. Ryan Sproull (7,055 comments) says:

    Heavens be praised an MP with the cojones to stand up to the pink fascists who are rewriting humanity to impose their pernicious agenda upon us.

    I’m not sure that “we could lose 30,000 tactical votes” is exactly the principled stand you seem to think it is.

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  6. Luke Mutton (247 comments) says:

    All opposition to gay marriage is summed up quite succinctly by the loser in the pink shirt and gay beard.

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  7. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    Ryan

    I’m reminded of Groucho Marx at a time like this:

    “Those are my principles, and if you don’t like them… well, I have others.”

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  8. Joel Rowan (99 comments) says:

    You’d think his stance would be a bit more like that of Parekura Horomia, who said:

    “Well I know what it’s like to be in a minority community, and feel discriminated against”.

    I guess there are Pacific Moral Conservatives out there, but who are they going to turn to? Winston Peters, maybe. If that’s the case, it’s not going to lose Labour the election.

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  9. smttc (710 comments) says:

    Typical lefties. Even when they oppose a proposal of one of their own. Is opposition based on principle? No. Law? No. Human Rights? No.

    Instead it is the potential threat to the voter base and political power. Who would of thought.

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  10. Urban Redneck (234 comments) says:

    Follow this link for an example of the sort of sordid depravity that the radical homosexual elite want to unleash on the wider culture. Homosexual marriage is just one more step along the road to those ends in which they will drag us all into their moral abyss:

    http://www.zombietime.com/folsom_sf_2007_part_1/index.php

    Incidentally, in 1979 – at the height of homosexual hedonism – prior to the AIDS bomb – two homosexual researchers conducted what is considered one of the most comprehensive and indeed candid studies into homosexual male behaviour, an 850page report conducted by Karla Jay & Allen Young titled “The Gay Report”. Although some activists have criticized the report over the years stating that the researchers may have over-sampled some of the more extreme members of the homosexual sub-culture, the findings were eye opening to say the least:

    99% Of homosexual males engage in oral sex (no surprises there)
    91% Of homosexual males engage in anal sex (again, no surprises there)
    82% Of homosexual males engage in rimming (stimulating the anus with the tongue)
    22% Of homosexual males engage in fisting (inserting fingers or an entire fist into the anus of one’s “partner”)
    23% Of homosexual males engage in golden showers (urinating on each other)
    4% Of homosexual males engage in “scat” (eating feces)
    4% Of homosexual males engage in “mud rolling” (rolling on the floor where feces have been deposited)

    For further insight as to what passes for “art” in San Francisco – google the name “Jonathan Yegge”

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  11. tom hunter (4,531 comments) says:

    Now THIS thread is gonna be a good one.

    It certainly will be for dull-witted hacks like Muttonhead: stuck between a racist Scylla and a homphobic Charybdis I see he’s already gone for the cognitive dissonance gold by posting a link to anti-gay protest by a Fat, White American.

    Come on Lambchop, post of photo of Su’a William Sio in a classic Pacific Island shirt and call him loser! You know you want to! :)

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  12. Ryan Sproull (7,055 comments) says:

    100% of what consenting adults do in the bedroom is none of your business.

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  13. eszett (2,346 comments) says:

    @Urban rednek, what is your point?
    All those activities are also to be found in heterosexual couples.

    Also fisting is not restricted to the anus.

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  14. smttc (710 comments) says:

    Urban Redneck, the photography in that link is pretty tame stuff really.

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  15. eszett (2,346 comments) says:

    It took gay marriage for andrei to praise a labour MP. Miracles do happen.

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  16. Tautaioleua (291 comments) says:

    “There is a wider issue of whether the Pacific community really is against the bill. Some church leaders are, but I’d love to see some polling done of the Pacific community to ascertain what the majority opinion is.”

    Su’a is the electorate MP for Mangere, arguably the safest Labour seat in the country. Because this bill is a CONSCIENCE vote for Labour, Su’a has done nothing wrong.

    According to his fb status, he consulted his community, and will vote according to the feedback. This is how a CONSCIENCE vote should work, it is the House of Representatives after all. We don’t vote for our MP’s to share their own views and opinions, we expect them to advocate on our behalf.

    DPF, at the end of the day Su’a isn’t responsible for New Zealand’s Pacific community. He’s only answerable to his electorate.

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  17. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    well finally – an MP who has the courage and sense to say something sensible.

    Forget if one is in favour of this queer marriage thing or not – the fact is that this time is about the silliest time to bring this sort of thing up.

    And now I hear on Radio Live that Su’a has been told by the party to shut the fuck up.

    idiots……

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  18. fish_boy (152 comments) says:

    According to this poll, Maori and PI are MORE likely than Pakeha to support same sex marriage.

    http://www.researchnz.com/pdf/Media%20Releases/RNZ%20Media%20Release%20-%202011-07-12%20Same%20sex%20marriages.pdf

    See table 3.

    So what Su’a William Sio is really saying is the deeply conservative ministers of Pacific Island churches are against gay marriage, which makes his call as stupid as him asking local catholic parish priests what they think about gay marriage and then declaring she should withdraw her bill because white people oppose it.

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  19. duggledog (1,412 comments) says:

    Hilarious watching Labour eating itself (pardon the pun). So – Shearer’s got a gay 2IC, a gay chief of staff and now Tim Barnett – what is he going to do?

    He’s powdered toast, man.

    In my experience most gay people are terrific, fun, tremendously secure and rational people, but some are also utterly vicious and nasty if they are crossed.

    I wonder whether Key is smarter than some give him credit for as a politician. By being pretty broad minded about the bill at the first reading he’s laid down the gauntlet for Labour.

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  20. Tauhei Notts (1,632 comments) says:

    Andrei at 1.08.
    Spot on!

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  21. David Garrett (6,643 comments) says:

    Fishchild: Have a fairly good insight into the Pacific community do you? Even been up there, except on holiday?

    Half of my wifes rellies aren’t church goers, and I have yet to speak to any of them who think “gay marriage” is a good idea…

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  22. Chuck Bird (4,725 comments) says:

    “100% of what consenting adults do in the bedroom is none of your business.”

    Say who? Are you God or just think you are PM. HIV arseholes who do not disclose there HIV status should be the interest of the State. Due to the homosexual lobby sensible measures like with other contagious diseases are not uses. There should be compulsory notification.

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  23. georgebolwing (648 comments) says:

    I am pleased that Su’a William Sio’s call for the bill to be withdrawn because conservative chruch leaders are opposed is being roundly criticised. Conservative chruch leaders are free to decide what behaviour they wish to engage in. They are also free not to marry anyone whose views or actions they disagree with. But what they are not free to do is decide what behaviour others can engage in.

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  24. Chuck Bird (4,725 comments) says:

    “This is how a CONSCIENCE vote should work”

    This is how a CONSCIENCE vote should work for electorate MPs. How should it work for list MPs.

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  25. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    Chuck Bird (2,432) Says:
    August 8th, 2012 at 3:23 pm

    “100% of what consenting adults do in the bedroom is none of your business.”

    Say who? Are you God or just think you are PM. HIV arseholes who do not disclose there HIV status should be the interest of the State. Due to the homosexual lobby sensible measures like with other contagious diseases are not uses. There should be compulsory notification.

    But I thought sex is only moral within the covenant of marriage? That should give plenty of time to request your partner undergo a screen for STDs.

    But yes, people who know they are infected with an STD should be expected to inform any partner they have.

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  26. Urban Redneck (234 comments) says:

    Homosexual activists have been incredibly cunning in their approach by framing the “marriage equality” argument with values laden terms and emotional loadings which appeal to heterosexuals – like the notion of fidelity for example.

    Homosexuals – particularly the men – define fidelity in terms of emotional commitment to one another, not in terms of sexual behavior like the overwhelming number of heterosexuals. In fact, gay men don’t value monogamy much, if at all. In 2006 a row erupted when a leading dating website (nzdating.co.nz I think) refused to act on a request by gay activists to accept gay targeted advertising about safe sex, believing that having the site emblazoned with gay sexual health advertising would damage the tone of the site where most people are just seeking friendship and a date, to which GayNZ conceded:

    “Friendship and dating may be the norm for some users of dating websites, but for gay men, hooking up for sex is clearly prevalent, just as a couple of minutes trawling through dating sites will reveal”

    (As an aside, in the same GayNZ article, a survey was conducted whereby a whopping 83% of homosexual male respondents reported that they were prepared to engage in sexual acts without condoms with strangers. But I digress.)

    Ian Wishart in a 2007 Investigate article mentions two erstwhile Labour MP’s who are often put up by the media as being paragons of life long committed homosexual partnerships. The article reports that these two, although “committed” to their respective partners, also did attend invitation-only homosexual BDSM orgies throughout the country. Homosexual male promiscuity, the levels of which would make billy goats and buck rabbits blush is part & parcel of the lifestyle, that’s not gonna change – married or otherwise. Which of course is why “gay marriage” is such a fraud.

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  27. Chuck Bird (4,725 comments) says:

    “But I thought sex is only moral within the covenant of marriage?”

    If you beleive that we probably do not agree on anything. You cannot put people in little boxes.

    “But yes, people who know they are infected with an STD should be expected to inform any partner they have.”

    Do you mean legally compelled or just expected?

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  28. KiwiGreg (3,211 comments) says:

    Wow Urban Redneck, you must think about gay sex a lot.

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  29. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    Chuck Bird,

    I mean if they know they have an sexually transmitted disease that is infectious and they knowingly conceal it from their partner, then that should constitute a criminal offence.

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  30. Pete George (23,131 comments) says:

    The worst excuse yet for not voting for the marriage equality bill. Damien O’Connor:

    He said he did not believe the discrimination and injustice was so great that it warranted a change in the legislation.

    “In short, I have taken into account all of the facts and I believe that there are far more injustices that need to be addressed. For example, people who are disabled through accidents receive full support, while those disabled from birth do not. These injustices are the issues that need to be addressed.”

    It’s being debated in the house regardless of how important he thinks it is. Is he going to be too busy working on injustices to vote?

    I thought he was supposed to be a straight talker.

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  31. eszett (2,346 comments) says:

    This is how a CONSCIENCE vote should work for electorate MPs. How should it work for list MPs.

    A conscience vote means they do not have to vote according to the party line, but can vote according to their conscience. There is no difference in this case between an electorate MP or a list MP.

    And most list MPs are also standing in an electorate. In my electorate they are. And both are voting for the bill.

    They can and should consult with their electorate. But they are by no means bound to vote “according to their feedback.” Nor should they be. It is a common misconception that MPs (where under FPP or MMP) are mere voting machines.

    Also most MPs can merely attempt to judge how their electorate feels about an issue, but I would say they don’t conduct a poll or survey.

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  32. Andrei (2,528 comments) says:

    Pete George you are such a pillock.

    Damien O’Conner has placed his stake in the ground and his position is not one the empty headed chattering class endorse.

    You and I both know that anybody who goes against the lavender mafia is going to get a ton of shit dumped on them in the media – this is how it works, its called fascism

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  33. iMP (2,302 comments) says:

    So a Colmar Brunton poll of 1006 people is “New Zealand supports s-sex marriage”
    But a Lab. Pacific Is. MP who has polled his electorate…”Ahem. We need a poll to really decide if Pac.Islanders really oppose same-sex; and Sio doesn’t speak for all Pasifika.”

    I gag at the consistent inconsistencies of the pro-gay marriage set.

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  34. eszett (2,346 comments) says:

    Andrei (1,373) Says:
    August 8th, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    Pete George you are such a pillock.

    Damien O’Conner has placed his stake in the ground and his position is not one the empty headed chattering class endorse.

    So, Andrei, I take it you agree with Damien then that there is indeed discrimination and injustice just not enough to warrant a change in legislation.

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  35. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Bigots are out in force tonight I see……

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  36. eszett (2,346 comments) says:

    Actually iMP, Su’a William Sio has not polled his electorate. At least there is nothing in the article that says that he did.
    And his electorate is not necessarily representative of all Pacific Islanders.

    The only consistent inconsistencies in your comments are that you don’t quite seem to understand how polling works and what the results mean.

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  37. lilman (910 comments) says:

    There goes the pontificating moral liberals telling me how im homophobic.
    Hell I have never met the Chiefs rugby squad.

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  38. Fletch (6,093 comments) says:

    100% of what consenting adults do in the bedroom is none of your business.

    When they carry it out of the bedroom and into the courtroom to legalize the same behaviour and teach it to kids in school as being normal, then they are 100% MAKING it my business.

    Seriously, if the proponents of gay marriage on this board think that a gay relationship based on “sex” (that isn’t sex) is equivalent to traditional marriage, then they have been well and truly brainwashed by liberal society.

    GROW UP

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  39. iMP (2,302 comments) says:

    [DPF in header] “…but I’d love to see some polling done of the Pacific community to ascertain what the majority opinion is.”

    DPF, Mangere voters (and Pasific Is. people in NZ generally) are deeply conservative (Methodists, Seven Day Adventists, even Mormon). They would easily be 80% opposed to Ms Walls’ bill. MP Sio’s reaction is just the tip of a much bigger Pacific iceberg: the quiet mild-mannered yet deeply traditional and conservative peoples of the Pacfic, incl. many Maori. This bill is urban, liberal, Gen. X turf.

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  40. Urban Redneck (234 comments) says:

    “When they carry it out of the bedroom and into the courtroom to legalize the same behaviour and teach it to kids in school as being normal, then they are 100% MAKING it my business”

    Precisely, fine sir!

    This distinction is something that our progressive protagonists can never bring themselves to understand.

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  41. Griff (6,965 comments) says:

    Fa’afafine Fucken shite from the homophobic lobby
    Go ask the aunties in the islander community about gay you bigots

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  42. Fletch (6,093 comments) says:

    Griff, you’re the “bigot” – intolerant to any other opinion other than your own and the liberal one.
    Where’s this famous Liberal “tolerance” we’re always hearing about? Oh right, “tolerance” is only for you when you’re complaining about Conservatives not agreeing with your point of view.

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  43. Scott (1,723 comments) says:

    Was very nice to see some opposition actually reported in the newspaper. Previously the papers have been all gay marriage, all of the time.

    There could be a groundswell of opposition rising.

    John Key should have thought a lot more deeply before allowing this to get to Parliament. He is causing major electoral damage to himself in my view.

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  44. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Fletch

    I know of a guy who even though married had upwards of 500 sexual contacts, he died young ,leaving a family, he was a catholic and the president of the United States.

    So if thats not taking the piss on your traditional marriage , just thinking..

    I think you and the Colin Craigs of this world need to stop getting all your opinions and thoughts from Freud who had the crack pot idea that any sexual act not aimed at procreation was a perversity .

    It was also Freud who came up with the idea that the homo’s were caused by molestation when they were kids. Again totally debunked.

    Lastly the “family” is an economic unit not some divine religious group ordained to go forth. Its about surviving. The sex of the unit members is of no consequence.

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  45. Johnboy (15,382 comments) says:

    http://voices.yahoo.com/fafafini-gender-crossing-samoan-society-7934046.html

    None living in Mangere I guess.

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  46. eszett (2,346 comments) says:

    When they carry it out of the bedroom and into the courtroom to legalize the same behaviour and teach it to kids in school as being normal, then they are 100% MAKING it my business

    It’s already legal, in case you haven’t notice.
    It’s also legal precisely because it is none of your business.

    Teaching your kids that it is none of your business to judge or condemn or forbid what two consenting adults do in their private lives is not a bad thing, since you don’t seem capable of doing that.

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  47. Than (439 comments) says:

    @Fletch -

    “When they carry it out of the bedroom and into the courtroom to legalize the same behaviour and teach it to kids in school as being normal, then they are 100% MAKING it my business”

    So, you are OK with consenting adults doing anything they like in their own bedroom… provided it is illegal and regarded as abnormal?

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  48. Chuck Bird (4,725 comments) says:

    “Peter has it ever occurred to you that you and your libertarian mate who finished ACT off who have given Colin Craig and opening.”

    You sound like a global warning alarmist. It does not matter how many times you tell a lie it is still a lie.

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  49. eszett (2,346 comments) says:

    Seriously, if the proponents of gay marriage on this board think that a gay relationship based on “sex” (that isn’t sex) is equivalent to traditional marriage, then they have been well and truly brainwashed by liberal society.

    GROW UP

    Is it sex or is not sex? You seem confused.
    Sounds like you are trying to pull a Bill Clinton here.

    Seriously, if you think gay marriage is based only on sex, which isn’t sex, you are well and truly brainwashed by your silly religious prejudices.

    Your convoluted arguments of sex not being sex and saying gay marriage is only based on sex but is not real marriage because they cannot have sex is just TOTALLY FUCKED UP.

    You need to grow up if you keep coming up with childish nonsense like this
    It’s time for you to grow up.

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  50. Chuck Bird (4,725 comments) says:

    “Teaching your kids that it is none of your business to judge or condemn or forbid what two consenting adults do in their private lives is not a bad thing, since you don’t seem capable of doing that.”

    It also make them more vulnerable to you and your sick mates.

    When you and you mates want to groom our children and grandchildren that is where some of us draw a line in the sand.

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  51. Griff (6,965 comments) says:

    fletchy
    If you homophobic god bothers would keep your bigotry to the confines of your pathetic little worlds no prop. Its when you dedicate your life’s to trying to make the rest of the world confer to your fucked world view that you will run in to people that treat you as I do
    Its not your business wot others do for sex, who they marry , the gods they worship ,How they treat their bodies,how they live,when they die,their morals, etc ,etc, etc

    The teachings of Christ say this why can you hypocrites not live by it

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  52. Chuck Bird (4,725 comments) says:

    It is our business what you perverts teach children in public schools. Religious people pay for their own schools. Let the libertarians pay for their own. And let State schools be free from homosexual indoctrination and any type of moral teaching that is the job of the parents.

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  53. eszett (2,346 comments) says:

    Oh, Chucky, showing your true colours again and continuing with your crusade against homosexuality.
    The only person here sick is you, obsessed with the idiotic notion that someone is out to “groom your children”
    Maybe you have been reading too much gayconspiracy again

    You cannot groom someone into homosexuality. It is only in your head, mate.
    You are either gay or you are straight. Your children and grandchildren are already gay or straight. You cannot groom a straight person into homosexuality the very same way you cannot groom a gay person into being straight.

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  54. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Well Chuck

    I am just amazed that Alan Bennet, Terrance Rattigan,Walt Whitman,Leonardi Di Vinci, Seigfreid Sasson,Leonard Bernstein found anytime at all to write and create when they were so busy grooming the kids and grand kids

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  55. eszett (2,346 comments) says:

    Perverts, Chucky? In what way?

    So late a night all pretense drops and we can see what this is all truly about. Not sanctity of marriage or protecting a traditional institution.
    No, it’s about pure, unabridged hatred of homosexuality based on ignorance, prejudice and irrational fear.

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  56. Johnboy (15,382 comments) says:

    Sheep of course can be easily groomed with a coarse comb.

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  57. Chuck Bird (4,725 comments) says:

    eszett, my crusade is for for parental authority not to be undermined by the State unless there is an overwhelming reason to to so like refusing a blood transfusion. Rainbow youth have no business in schools and that is a lot about what this debate is about. That is the State giving its stamp of approval saying that a homosexual relationship is a valid alternative to marriage between a man a women. It you want to teach your children different first find a women and have some. Leave ours alone.

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  58. Chuck Bird (4,725 comments) says:

    eszett, my definition of pervert is someone who wants to diddle with children be it there diddle or their minds.

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  59. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Chuck

    I’ve got some and pretty proud of them , as teenagers they are colour blind and homo blind and religion blind. I am hoping that I have dragged them up sufficently well that they will never be influenced by the insecure, the scared and the straightout hateful and they stay just the way they are.

    I have spent many nervous nights checking on them after we have socailized and a homo couple have been at dinner but so far any attempts at grooming and the catching of the homoitis have been negated by their intelligence and the fact the what you are writing on this thread is utter rot.

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  60. eszett (2,346 comments) says:

    Rainbow Youth have a lot of business on school, to prevent people like you spewing their irrationality and prejudice.
    The State has already given it’s stamp of approval for homosexual relationships. So has the majority of New Zealanders.

    It you want to teach your children different first find a women and have some.

    Really Chuck, Another Maggie Barry? Is that the best you can do? Running out of irrational arguments, so now you have to copy Maggies?

    And what makes you so sure that I haven’t already adopted some? Who knows, they may be classmates with your grand children? Now imagine that.

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  61. eszett (2,346 comments) says:

    eszett, my definition of pervert is someone who wants to diddle with children be it there diddle or their minds.

    So basically you are agreeing then that it has no place in this discussion about gay marriage and homosexuality and is totally unrelated. Good.

    I take it that you calling me a pervert was an accidental slip of the tongue, so to speak.

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  62. Griff (6,965 comments) says:

    eszett, my definition of pervert is someone who wants to diddle with children be it there diddle or their minds.

    Gee we had a politician that was didling with kiddys
    wot was his name and his platform That right he was Christian heritage
    How unusual a hypocritical unchristian who does the very thing he tells us is evil and against god .Of course that was a one off
    I mean the pope would not be hiding kiddy fids from the law and society would he Damn He was. Who would have guessed catholic Kiddy fids. Condoned even helped and all the way from the top by the church
    And yet they try to proscribe the behaviour in the rest of us
    The beam in your own and the speack else where or somting isint that in the book somewhere

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  63. LabourDoesntWork (286 comments) says:

    “I like to f*ck my cat.”- Harry S. Plinkett
    (who is viciously banned from consummating a proper relationship with his pets and has to “live in sin” instead)

    When are you close-minded bigots going to apply your tolerance and sudden love for marriage equally? Come on, you’ve oppsed marriage itself for decades – the feminist brigade has led the charge on that one. Only when you broaden the definition fully will you have really destroyed any meaning that it has. So, come on.
    Also: Opposing polygamy is also obvious hate and prejudice against that wunnerful cult, er fascist system, er religion of Muslimism.

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  64. Liberal Minded Kiwi (1,568 comments) says:

    Wait one cotton picking minute, Chuck Bird is not a libertarian. He, along with Felch, Andrei etc are obsessed with what goes on in other peoples bedrooms. Not one day can pass by without them raving about the private activities of other people, strangers, loving couples – and how they may run their lives.

    If we were to put christians onto the political spectrum they’d be extreme statists for social policy and confused economically. They’re only too happy to deny abuse within the catholic church as forbidding private activities within law abiding people is far more interesting. Rewind a few decades ago and I can guaran-damn-tee they would have been 100% against legalising gay sex. These guys are still on the wrong side of history.

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  65. Still Here (1,091 comments) says:

    Fletch (3,190) Says:
    August 8th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
    100% of what consenting adults do in the bedroom is none of your business.

    When they carry it out of the bedroom and into the courtroom to legalize the same behaviour and teach it to kids in school as being normal, then they are 100% MAKING it my business.

    Seriously, if the proponents of gay marriage on this board think that a gay relationship based on “sex” (that isn’t sex) is equivalent to traditional marriage, then they have been well and truly brainwashed by liberal society.

    GROW UP

    Very Good points Fletch.
    What we allow in law as a society we put the stamp of appeal on.
    Hopefully SIO will be the first of many and won’t be swayed by the pink fascista in Labour.
    Never give up against the so called tolerant liberal fascist on this blog or anywhere.

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  66. eszett (2,346 comments) says:

    Hopefully SIO will be the first of many and won’t be swayed by the pink fascista in Labour.
    Never give up against the so called tolerant liberal fascist on this blog or anywhere.

    lol, SH, more accruate would be: “Never give up against reason, facts, tolerance and everything that is not quite like you”

    Naming calling like “pink fascista” and “tolerant liberal fascist” surely helps you come across as reasoned and balanced individual

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  67. Paulus (2,538 comments) says:

    Su’a will get deselected !

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