Garner on Shearer

September 26th, 2012 at 5:59 pm by David Farrar

I’ve embedded below a column by 3 News Political Editor on and the . He concludes that Shearer is not up to the job, and that should be made leader. Some quotes:

Shearer is a hell of a nice guy…Labour picked him to be like John Key. But he can’t out-Key Key…The public doesn’t know what he stands for or against. He struggles to articulate himself….and in my opinion he’s largely botched his honeymoon….It’s become clear too that Shearer divides not only Labour’s caucus, but its membership too. He’s neither steeped inLabour Party knowldge or history.

Labour needs to take it to Key in 2013 and 2014, and Shearer hasn’t really kicked in. How would Cunliffe be any different? Substantially I think. He’s enormously articulate and can present an alternative vision. But there’s an element of fear within the caucus. A number of the more mature MPs fear Cunliffe will demote them and it will be the end of their careers. That’s why he is bad-mouthed so often. Some of those MPs need to go. Their time is up.

None of this should stop the caucus. .. The leadership of the party if too important for personal agenda to get in the way right now.

The other leadership options are either not ready or aren’t up to it: Grant Robertson: Ambitious? Yes. Ready? No. He’s best to bide his time. To be brutal, Key will wipe the floor with the Wellington Central MP. His time will come. But his immeditate elevation will not bring back the provinces. Jacinda Ardern: Way too early. Out of her depth as it is. David Parker: Get real. Andrew Little: Should put his name forward.

The quotes are from Twisted Hive.

Garner on Shearer

His call for some of Labour’s senior MPs to go for the good of the party is correct, but I suspect unlikely to occur.

The column appeared in Wellington Magazine Fishhead.

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43 Responses to “Garner on Shearer”

  1. kowtow (7,653 comments) says:

    Who the hell is Duncan Garner?

    The standard of TV political reporting here (indeed in most places ) is shit.

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  2. tom hunter (4,435 comments) says:

    Perhaps Duncan is angling for a job in the Cunnliffe government?

    It will probably come down to a simple question of whether these people can wait until 2017, or whether they feel they must get into power in 2014. If it’s the former then Shearer will do as the National-led government naturally weakens with age. If the latter then perhaps they’ll get desperate enough to swallow the hate and go with Silent T.

    If I was a Labour MP I’d stick with Shearer because he’ll be “safe” in power, possibly getting them two or three terms. Cunliffe is flashy but might blow the joint up after one term.

    Either way I don’t think it’s worth getting too worked up about. Whether it’s 2014 or 2017 an incoming Labour-Green government will find everything left in place waiting for them. It’s not like National will actually be able to reduce or destroy their sources of power in society – even if they wanted to.

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  3. Puzzled in Ekatahuna (338 comments) says:

    For how long now has Labour been anything other than about changing their fucking Leader?
    The Opposition is paid a lot of money, it’s about time we saw something for it.

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  4. thedavincimode (6,539 comments) says:

    Labour Party??? Didn’t they merge with the melons or something?

    tom hunter

    Perhaps Duncan is angling for a job in the Cunnliffe government?

    But, but … wouldn’t it be a breach of [laugh font] Journalistic ethics … ?

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  5. East Wellington Superhero (1,151 comments) says:

    Long may the disorder continue.

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  6. wreck1080 (3,735 comments) says:

    Shearer is impotent.

    Even my left-leaning mother thinks he is a non-entity.

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  7. RRM (9,477 comments) says:

    As long as they remain nothing but the trade union party, trying to take us back to the strikes of the 1980s, changing the leader isn’t the answer.

    The reason I was a two ticks Labour voter for a long time was the positive social reforms Helen Clark & the gays stood for. Not because I want the EPMU holding the country to ransom…

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  8. RF (1,272 comments) says:

    Must admit the silent T would keep National on its toes although he is a greasy fella in a pin stripe suit. It will never happen as the old Tuskers on the Labour front benches are too busy looking after their arses. It’s a matter of survival .. Stuff the party.

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  9. MH (631 comments) says:

    Cunliffe has an awkward name to fool phil and live upto but he could still throw his ring in the hat.

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  10. martinh (1,155 comments) says:

    Andrew Little- get real Duncan hes a doofus,and as for Jacinda, wipe away the smile and what do you have, not much.
    Bring on Cunliffe and get rid if Annette King and half the others i see on the news. Bring back that gay guy fromOtaki who got caught with the 18year old, at least he was capable

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  11. Viking2 (11,146 comments) says:

    Won’t need to change a thing if English doesn’t quit. Key has two eneimies. Labour and Bill English and it looks like English will do the most damage.

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  12. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    Cunliffe stands out as the biggest ego in parliament, despite the exquisitely unfortunate name ! He is without doubt the one person who should not become PM.

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  13. thor42 (922 comments) says:

    Given that the Nats are desperately short of coalition partners, Labour may get in anyway in 2014 – despite having Shearer as leader (if he lasts that long).

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  14. RF (1,272 comments) says:

    National are clearly not thinking ahead about coalition partners for 2014. I can see Winnie in the wings waiting for the call from JK. God help us.

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  15. Anthony (768 comments) says:

    Surely English is not stupid enough to think he can have another go at leading National??

    Viking you forgot about the Nats self appointed super strategist Murray McCully, the third biggest threat to National!

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  16. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    I’d rather have Winnie. At least he’s prepared to stand up to iwi.

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  17. RF (1,272 comments) says:

    Maybe it’s time to call a snap election .. That would scare the horses.

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  18. East Wellington Superhero (1,151 comments) says:

    @ Viking 2

    Can you please elaborate on the Bill English thing. I don’t get what you’re on about.

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  19. greenjacket (418 comments) says:

    Kevin wrote: “I’d rather have Winnie. At least he’s prepared to stand up to iwi.”
    Oh please. Did Peters ever stand up to iwi once he had the baubles of power? Of course not.

    The reality is that a clown-car coalition of Labour, Greens, Winston First, and Hone Harawira will probbaly form a majority in 2014. But to be quite honest, Shearer is so hapless, that I expect Russel Norman will be Prime Minister.

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  20. East Wellington Superhero (1,151 comments) says:

    @ greenjacket

    “clown-car coalition of Labour, Greens, Winston First, and Hone Harawira will probbaly form a majority in 2014″

    Perhaps, but (unless the fuckers change election laws which I wouldn’t put pass them) they’d be out in 2017.

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  21. edd (150 comments) says:

    “The public doesn’t know what he stands for or against. He struggles to articulate himself” That’s John Key not David Shearer…. Not to mention that world cup handshake…

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  22. Reid (15,970 comments) says:

    Silent-T’s weakness is he’s electoral poison. People somehow sense his Silent-T-ness despite his best efforts to appear human and unslimy.

    He’s got anti-charisma subconsciously oozing out of every single pore of his very being. Even when he’s talking about giving massive dollops of money to widows and orphans, people are really truly actually thinking, in their living rooms, how much is he going to skim off the top?

    This is why the Liarbore caucus refused to give him kingship and they were right not to then and are still right now.

    Sure. Shearer has proved himself to be a complete waste of prevaricating stand-for-nothing ambivalent inarticulate space. But is he better than a Silent-T and all that such will entail?

    Let the wisdom of the Liarbore Caucus prevail.

    Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

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  23. Reid (15,970 comments) says:

    BTW, if you were paid to analyse politicians as a day job, how long would it take you to pick this up? How come Garner didn’t publish this exact same story the day after Shearer was elected Liarbore leader? It was obvious then to most of us, as I’m sure an analysis of KB comments on that day would show.

    So how come it takes this long for not all but one useless journo to state what we all knew, back then?

    To all the useless journos, it’s not your job to “give them a fair go,” it’s your fucking job, newsflash, to tell us the truth, on day one, as soon as it dawns. This is why, you idiots, people are abandoning your “antique” media. You want to stop that? Start giving the public “insights,” no matter what the politicians think. They’re not your audience, we are.

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  24. East Wellington Superhero (1,151 comments) says:

    @ Reid

    Hear hear!

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  25. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    Cunliffe visited a school in his electorate -it took weeks to clean up the oil slick.

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  26. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    “[Cunliffe]’s got anti-charisma subconsciously oozing out of every single pore of his very being.”

    So did Muldoon, who was probably the most effective politician New Zealand has had in the last 50 years.

    Cometh the hour, cometh the asshole.

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  27. Reid (15,970 comments) says:

    No Tom, Muldoon had real charisma: it’s in one’s self belief. Muldoon genuinely didn’t think he was (and arguably wasn’t) an arsehole although he acted like one; Cunliffe knows he is but pretends he isn’t. You just can’t hide it.

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  28. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    Most effective in selling us down the socialist road

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  29. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    Muldoon – Most effective in selling us down the socialist road.
    Cunliffe would be a vindictive arsehole – I mean in the 40 % tax, unrealised capital gains tax sense if the electorate pissed him off.

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  30. hmmokrightitis (1,514 comments) says:

    “So did Muldoon, who was probably the most effective politician New Zealand has had in the last 50 years.”

    You, sir, are clearly insane. Muldoon was a 2 bit accountant with a bad drinking problem and delusions of grandeur – and worse, thought he was right. Prime example of Dunning-Kruger effect.

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  31. tvb (4,210 comments) says:

    The comment that the Labour caucus conatins some old fighters whose time is up is apt. I can think of Phil Goff, Annette King, Ruth Dyson, Trevor Mallard, all of whom need to move on. But their life is politics and they will die if they are not fighting the good fight way past their useby date.

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  32. Mark (1,367 comments) says:

    Labour is unlikely to “win”an election, it is more likely that National will lose one. Parties that are in power in NZ for more than two terms have a tendency to self destruct as the Clark Government did and for national to survive a third or possibly fourth term they will need to devise a strategy to move Key on and refresh the party whilst not making a complete cock up of it. Easier said than done

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  33. Steve Wrathall (243 comments) says:

    “But he can’t out-Key Key…The public doesn’t know what he stands for or against. ”

    Bit like Key then?

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  34. rg (197 comments) says:

    Is Duncan Garner employed by the Labour Party or TV3 , he certainly does a lot of work for Labour.

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  35. Manolo (13,394 comments) says:

    Shearer will be lucky to see 2013 as leader of the socialists. Likely to be rolled by Silent T after a BBQ at Robertson’s.

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  36. Cunningham (821 comments) says:

    I hate to say it but the way National are going, Shearer will get the job by default. He has been completely ineffective but the National government are just handing him opportunity after opportunity. There is a real danger we will get this guy as prime minister and he will be so completely out of his depth.

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  37. Manolo (13,394 comments) says:

    I tend to agree with Cunningham. Key’s performance of late is dismal. He’s nowhere to be found, and when visible comes across as aloof and out of touch.

    Neville would be better advised to take iron pills in an attempt to put some steel in his feeble spine.

    He cannot please everybody, especially the racists, all the time, so he’d better stop trying to be Mr Nice Guy. Our country needs leadership, no a namby-pamby crowd-pleaser.

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  38. Keeping Stock (10,112 comments) says:

    Cunliffe has this to live down:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvenqcfX1j8

    “The greasy little fulla in the blue suit” and the faux ghetto accent; that’s REALLY classy!

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  39. Paulus (2,503 comments) says:

    National cannot get the seat numbers in 2014 under MMP. Only a very small % move away, in say Christchurch, allows this.
    MMP was designed by the Greens (Grunen in Germany after WW2) and has taken them 20 years in New Zealand growing (like cancer – continues to slowly creep) for them to see their goal not far away.
    Labour cannot govern alone either, as they will not get the seats, neither of course will the Greens, but in coalition with Winston they will hold the majority of seats.
    The Greens will hold the real power, and Labour will have to give them whatever they want, as they cannot govern without them, and there is nothing worse than a Labourite not wanting power at any cost.
    I see Norman as the real leader, as any thoughtful analysis will show.
    The Media will be the main opposition until 2014, having many “Precious Ambrose” moments up to the election.
    They will get Key as they intended after the “Ambrose” affair.
    Governments do not win – but only have to lose, and with numerous opposition parties in and out of Parliament, National cannot but only lose.
    Poppy Key does not suck up to them as Helen Clark did.
    May God have Mercy on New Zealander’s heads after 2014.

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  40. Black with a Vengeance (1,552 comments) says:

    Reid…IDIOT is thy name!!!

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  41. MH (631 comments) says:

    Take yer pick

    Labour-Cunliffe without them

    Cunliffe-Labour without him

    pls explain to Elaycee

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  42. duggledog (1,362 comments) says:

    Garner, pretty much exactly what I have always thought. The only, ONLY person in the red camp that would give Key even a slight case of the shits is Cunliffe. Again, he’s tall.

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  43. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    “Muldoon was a 2 bit accountant with a bad drinking problem and delusions of grandeur – and worse, thought he was right. ”

    Yes, but he was an excellent player of the political game.

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