General Debate 12 September 2012

September 12th, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Lance (2,719 comments) says:

    Ostapchuk’s coach did it!
    Convenient that.

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  2. Viking2 (11,686 comments) says:

    Yep he laid her on the couch (ahhh) and put it down her throat. (the vision is horrible).

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  3. Viking2 (11,686 comments) says:

    Frosty morning.

    Oh and our economy is improving. Will as long as Bill can borrow and hope.

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  4. Puzzled in Ekatahuna (329 comments) says:

    The Government’s changes to the Emissions Trading Scheme could cost $670 million more than estimated and will have little impact on reducing greenhouse gas emissions, the parliamentary commissioner for the environment, Jan Wright, will tell MPs today.
    She says the changes – which include locking in large subsidies to polluters – will stop New Zealand reaching the Government’s own target of halving greenhouse gas emissions by 2050.
    Previous changes weakened the ETS, but the latest changes “render it almost toothless”, Dr Wright says.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7656570/Emissions-trading-nearly-toothless

    So New Zealanders pay, theoretically, $150.85 each for absolutely nothing.
    Except to look like fuckwits to the rest of the world – great achievement to save the planet
    And would this money offset one of the asset sales?

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  5. Viking2 (11,686 comments) says:

    but, but ,but Nick will be back to put it right.
    Idots in an asylum

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  6. Lance (2,719 comments) says:

    Ahh Viking2
    You have caused me to visualize that which should not be visualized.

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  7. tom hunter (5,134 comments) says:

    … which include locking in large subsidies to polluters

    Do you truly understand what this means National? The further this ETS insanity continues the more ammunition you will be providing to your left-wing opponents. Instead of framing the whole thing as Labour-Greens extracting more money from the private sector for no purpose and thereby hurting those little children indirectly, you’ve allowed them to play the whole denying-meals-to-hungry-children-with-huge-liquid-eyes-to-pay-for-rich-pricks argument.

    You’ve even managed to allow the left to play on the right-wing field of economics because they can claim they’re against subsidies. Never mind that the ‘subsidies’ arise in the first place because of penalties imposed by the government. Brilliant. Truly, truly brilliant – on the part of the Left.

    Yet even as it slowly kills you, you still won’t boot the scheme that your political opponents introduced.

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  8. Longknives (4,970 comments) says:

    New Zealand Cricket team- Winning one T20 ‘Hit and Giggle’ match DOES NOT ‘redeem’ your woeful performances in the Test arena (Despite what the gushing NZ sports media says)..

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  9. Longknives (4,970 comments) says:

    NBC showing their true colours..

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/11/nbc-today-911-moment-silence-kardashian-interview_n_1873969.html

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  10. The Scorned (719 comments) says:

    Seen Rudmans warmist BS dig at sceptics in today’s horrid….? The lies are stunning in their boldness……he claims the sceptics (deniers) have been afraid to publish their case and be peer reviewed….cough…..give me a break idiot….its the exact reverse. The warmists have been ducking and diving….and threatening for years….

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  11. Pete George (23,836 comments) says:

    Government: beneficiaries will have to ensure their kids get education and health checks or their benefits cut in half (after three warnings).

    Labour: if a benefit is cut, the children the Government says it’s trying to help could end up worse off.

    Metiria Turei: it’s unfair that the financial penalty would apply solely to beneficiaries and not other parents.
    (It’s hard to cut something you’re not giving to non-beneficiaries).

    Peter Dunne: it’s a fundamentally good idea for people receiving a benefit to have to meet certain obligations for their children.

    Mixed feelings on beneficiary ‘crackdown’.

    Labour and Greens are for better health and education for poor people’s kids but against trying to push them into getting better health and education for their kids. They diss the stick approach and think more and more carrots will solve everything?

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  12. dime (10,224 comments) says:

    Jacinda Adern on ZB this morning. the nerd who represents the “young” as she approaches middle age..

    She seems to be upset at financial penalties for beneficiaries. Almost as though she doesn’t think a financial penalty will change behaviour. Funny, cause she seems to think it does when its for a pro-left wing cause. those fucking love jacking the price on things they don’t like or wanting to ping companies etc

    It always comes back to “wont someone think of the children??”. I bet thats not the mantra when they finally get back in and jack our taxes. they wont think “hey, that dude earns 100k a year, gets no assistance and pays $650 a week towards a mortgage. fuck him, hes rich.”

    She also needs to drop the over expressive radio voice.

    and finally – what the fuck is “meth metal”??????

    Dime has been in the metal scene for years. Ive heard of black metal, thrash metal, nu metal, speed metal, glam metal, death metal, grind core, doom, power metal, groove metal, stoner metal, even rap metal.. but fucked if i can name you a band from the “meth metal” genre. maybe theres a new sub genre coming out of some communist country she visits..

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  13. Scott (1,808 comments) says:

    Couldn’t agree more with Tom Hunter and puzzled in Eketahuna. Now we are spending $670 million on this emissions trading scheme. And DPF helpfully reports on the Tuhoe settlement which apparently will cost $170 million in additional money, taking the grand total up to something like $1 billion.

    I just think it is good to see where our taxes are going? Emissions trading and endless rounds of Maori settlements. Obviously this week the National government is dedicating themselves to appeasing environmentalists and Maori radicals. Last week it was gays.

    But don’t worry, white heterosexual males. Let’s just stand around with our begging bowls out and no doubt in due time the government will give us a hand out as well.

    Could this government be more clueless about financial priorities? No wonder we are going broke. Can the taxpayer afford any more of this expensive nonsense?

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  14. Luke Mutton (247 comments) says:

    Jesus Fucking Christ – As if Sarah Palin wasn’t enough, just how much dumber can American Republican voters be?

    When Republicans were asked “Who is more responsible for bin Laden’s death, Mitt Romney or Barack Obama,” 47% answered “Not Sure,” and another 15% chose Romney.

    Is their hatred for Obama that strong that they must invent lies to convince themselves he truly is “The Nigger in the woodpile”?

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_OH_9912.pdf

    And these idiots vote.

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  15. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    Scott
    yesterday the gummint said they were happy to pay $900 million over the past years to consultants and to continue to.

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  16. Pete George (23,836 comments) says:

    Maori Party fights back…

    “I want to come to the House to specifically address some of the rubbish that came out of the mouth of the first speaker in this debate, Clayton Cosgrove, who was speculating that the Māori Party would be boycotting the national hui on Thursday. For Mr Cosgrove I want to set the record straight.”

    https://www.facebook.com/notes/te-ururoa-flavell-mp/urgent-debates-state-owned-energy-companies-sales-tuesday-11-sept-te-ururoa-flav/485168164834223

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  17. OneTrack (3,384 comments) says:

    Luke Mutton@9:33 – the correct answer to the question is George W Bush.

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  18. All_on_Red (1,754 comments) says:

    Luke

    Speaking of stupid.
    “three little words- made in the USA”
    “ban corporate profits”

    Have you seen those ones?

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  19. Peter (1,695 comments) says:

    Dime has been in the metal scene for years. Ive heard of black metal, thrash metal, nu metal, speed metal, glam metal, death metal, grind core, doom, power metal, groove metal, stoner metal, even rap metal

    Dime forgot vegetarian progressive grindcore. Bad Dime :)

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  20. Puzzled in Ekatahuna (329 comments) says:

    Leaked drafts of the TPP agreement, Médecins Sans Frontières/Doctors Without Borders said, “outline U.S. aggressive intellectual property demands that that could severely restrict access to affordable, life-saving medicines for millions of people. … The U.S. is asking countries to create new, enhanced and longer patent and data monopoly protections for multinational pharmaceutical companies so they can keep competitors out of the market and charge higher prices for longer.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/trans-pacific-partnership-agreement_b_1871710.html?utm_hp_ref=world

    The TPP sounds really really good. I wonder why Japan have not yet joined in?

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  21. dime (10,224 comments) says:

    Luke – some idiots vote for the green party and labour too. whats one to do..

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  22. Brian Smaller (3,966 comments) says:

    Dime has been in the metal scene for years. Ive heard of black metal, thrash metal, nu metal, speed metal, glam metal, death metal, grind core, doom, power metal, groove metal, stoner metal, even rap metal

    What about Viking Metal – Amon Amarth?

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  23. Manolo (14,188 comments) says:

    What’s wrong with a bit of fearmongering?
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10833412

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  24. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    Newly “liberated” Egyptians and Libyans show their appreciation for American assistance,on a significant anniversary.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/09/20129112108737726.html

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  25. Longknives (4,970 comments) says:

    Dime- Longknives is ‘Old School’ in his metal tastes- Sabbath, Priest and Maiden… the original ‘Masters of Metal’.
    Longknives also liked a bit of Megadeth in High School but could never understand the hype around Metallica.

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  26. Tauhei Notts (1,688 comments) says:

    It’s General Debate so I can relate an anecdote.
    I took the missus to WINZ on Monday to apply for the New Zealand Superannuation. It would be a long story to explain why it was unusually complicated, but the appointment took an hour.
    That hour gave us plenty of time to observe their “clientele”, as they like to refer to beneficiaries as clients.
    Upon our departure my wife asked; “how much Koha did you give?”
    “Koha?”
    “Yes, you culturally insensitive pig. One must always leave koha when one visits a marae.”

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  27. Longknives (4,970 comments) says:

    What’s the connection with Adern and Metal? Is she a fan? (I’d have picked her as more of a Goldenhorse or acoustic Dave Dobbyn person..)

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  28. dime (10,224 comments) says:

    longknives – she was asking joyce about his musical tastes and then said “you dont like meth metal?”. shes an idiot.

    Metallica – the hype is justified :D

    imho the best 3 metal albums of all time: Metallica – master of puppets, Megadeth – rust in peace and Pantera – vulgar display of power.

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  29. Brian Smaller (3,966 comments) says:

    @dime and Longknives.

    You may want to review the Periodic Table of Metal. Here is a copy.

    http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs50/i/2009/272/e/e/periodic_table_of_metal_B_by_IlookingYou.jpg

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  30. Lucia Maria (2,665 comments) says:

    Luke Mutton at 9:33am

    May the Lord have mercy on you.

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  31. Elaycee (4,425 comments) says:

    three little words- made in the USA”

    National Standards at work again…..

    Heh…. :D

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  32. iMP (2,458 comments) says:

    US EMBASSIES UNDER ATTACK IN EGYPT & LIBYA on 9/11 (NZ Wed 11am). 1 American killed.

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com

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  33. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Led zep and all metal since owes its creation to the most influential band no one has heard of
    The yard birds

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  34. dime (10,224 comments) says:

    most people know the Yard birds? id hope?!

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  35. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    All the spending mentioned above and no one can find 15 million for the ambulance service. Who is going to decide what is a minor emergency?

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  36. nasska (12,111 comments) says:

    …”May the Lord have mercy on you.”…..

    Never mind Lamb Chops. You’ve got the blessing….you’re in the clear now! :)

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  37. James Stephenson (2,268 comments) says:

    Periodic Table of Metal

    Am I the only one that thinks that these sorts of things should be left to someone with an understanding of science? I mean, surely Ozzy is an isotope of Black Sabbath?

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  38. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Some do. Most don’t get the depth and influence of its members and can not even name the lead guitarists. by your reply you can
    after all any band that had god as one of its member yet could chose to use alternatives was pretty good

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  39. TheContrarian (1,094 comments) says:

    Speaking of music:
    http://haveyouheard.it/the-best-music-infographics/

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  40. Lance (2,719 comments) says:

    NZ spends more on education than any other OECD country.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10833499

    Bastard penny pinching gummit…. no…. wait

    Must be a vast right wing conspiracy of lies and paid off journos

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  41. James Stephenson (2,268 comments) says:

    after all any band that had god as one of its member yet could chose to use alternatives was pretty good

    Clapton left because their commercial direction was offending his Blues purism. For mine, there were too many line-ups in too few years to really class the Yardbirds as “a band”.

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  42. Pete George (23,836 comments) says:

    Online polls are notoriously unreliable and unscientific, and are often easy to stack votes on. But a poll on NZ Herald’s flash revamped website yesterday would have to be a Worst poll candidate.

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  43. Longknives (4,970 comments) says:

    “imho the best 3 metal albums of all time: Metallica – master of puppets, Megadeth – rust in peace and Pantera – vulgar display of power.”

    All good albums but British Steel would eat them alive…

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  44. dime (10,224 comments) says:

    Dime has never been a Clapton fan. Dont get me wrong, the guy is an amazing player. Just doesnt do it for me!

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  45. Longknives (4,970 comments) says:

    I’d like to think every music fan has heard of the Yardbirds- but given the state of the music industry today nothing would surprise me…
    I remember watching a NZ music show once and alleged musician ‘P Money’ had never heard of The Clash…Whatever happened to that guy? Laying low for any particular reason??

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  46. dime (10,224 comments) says:

    I cant hand Judas Priest. Hate high pitch vocals like that.

    Youre too old school for me!

    Not a big Maiden fan either. I went to the auckland show and just wanted to see him try a different vocal range heh

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  47. Longknives (4,970 comments) says:

    “Dime has never been a Clapton fan”

    Neither has Longknives. Especially when you consider that Clapton’s most famous guitar solo was in fact played by the late,great Duane Allman…

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  48. James Stephenson (2,268 comments) says:

    @dime – not a massive Clapton fan either, but Disraeli Gears should be in everyone’s record collection. Heh, “record collection” how old-school is that?

    Oh, and Diamond Head were the best band of the NWOBHM era…

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  49. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Griff would say as dime is a metal fan he would not be surprised by this
    funny thing most end up as fans of the music period when they where born not of there cohort as a teenager weird

    Then Griff plays Nirvana Dylan and Cash on heavy rotate continuously for last ten years :sad:

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  50. Longknives (4,970 comments) says:

    James- There is concert footage floating around of Diamond Head, Metallica and Megadeth recently playing”Am I evil”?

    Pretty cool…

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  51. bhudson (4,741 comments) says:

    All good albums but British Steel would eat them alive…

    They all stand on the shoulders of Black Sabbath and Motörhead

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  52. publicwatchdog (3,162 comments) says:

    Here you go Kiwibloggers!

    Gum away on this one ;)

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/nz-local-authorities-spend-record-23-bln-second-quarter-generating-deficit-145m-bd-128117#comment-581282

    Where EXACTLY are rates monies being spent?

    Where’s the TRANSPARENCY?

    Why aren’t ‘the books’ OPEN?

    When are the NAMES of the consultants/contractors; SCOPE; TERM and VALUE of the thousands of contracts which provide long-term corporate welfare dependency for thousands of corporate welfare beneficiaries with their private snouts in our local government public trough, going to be made available for public scrutiny?

    Where’s the LONG overdue review of corporate welfare at local (and central) government level?

    When is this National/ACT Government going to start WAR on the undeserving RICH?

    ie: These long-term corporate welfare beneficiaries who are providing core local government services for private profit which used to be provided ‘in-house’ under the ‘public service’ model on a non-profit-making basis?

    If the private ‘contracting-out’ model is SO ‘efficient’ – then how come RATES KEEP GOING UP – NOT DOWN?

    How many billion$ could be saved at both central and local government level by CUTTING OUT THE CONTRACTORS and CONSULTANTS?

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  53. Longknives (4,970 comments) says:

    Not a metal fan then Penny?

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  54. Manolo (14,188 comments) says:

    They all stand on the shoulders of Black Sabbath and Motörhead

    You call that noise music? It frays the nerves of any listener.

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  55. James Stephenson (2,268 comments) says:

    and Motörhead

    Now you’re talking. The epicentre of my music taste is probably somewhere between The Clash and Motorhead.

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  56. bhudson (4,741 comments) says:

    You call that noise music? It frays the nerves of any listener.

    It can be tempered with the dulcet tones, lyrical wizardry and musical majesty of Bob Dylan

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  57. Longknives (4,970 comments) says:

    “You call that noise music? It frays the nerves of any listener.”

    Ever heard Black Sabbath Changes? Or Motorhead’s 1916? Two of the most powerful and beautiful rock songs ever…(unless the piano ‘frays you nerves’ Manolo…)

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  58. kowtow (8,945 comments) says:

    Aotearoans,see this from Museum of New Zealand. I found it through a half page ad in my newspaper. How much is this bold new vision costing us?
    Museums used to be about education and history.
    Now it’s about propaganda….”changing,hearts minds,lives”.To “be an agent for change”
    To “uphold and grow the spiritual…….” so how does Virgin in a Condom fit in that vision?
    And they want to save the planet.

    There’s something for everyone here.Enjoy.

    http://www.tepapa.govt.nz/AboutUs/Vision/Pages/Strategicpriorities.aspx

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  59. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    then how come RATES KEEP GOING UP
    Because the stupid socialist fws spend our rates money on feel good stupid pointless rubbish more than on the services we pay them for
    Where I am no footpaths no curbs no street lighting. There is 3 pretty flags flying on poles that cost 30,000dollers an unused large park that is the source of weed seeds for the whole area and a public toilet with florobulbs on a timer so its unusable unless you wait for ten minutes for the bulbs warm up

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  60. Viking2 (11,686 comments) says:

    Len Brown wants youth employment inquiry

    Wednesday, 12, Sep, 2012 9:51AM

    Auckland’s mayor wants an inquiry into how to keep young people in training and employment.

    Len Brown says more than one in 10 young New Zealanders are either not in a job, not in school, or not in training.

    He says there are already organisations which assist, like the Auckland Council and Tindall Foundation’s youth transition scheme which tracks and supports young people from school into work, training or further study.

    But Mr Brown thinks we can do more.

    He believes a national strategy that links different agencies would be a good start.

    Easy as Len. Tell your lefty mates to remove the wages barrier. Not hard at all.

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  61. James Stephenson (2,268 comments) says:

    He believes a national strategy that links different agencies would be a good start

    Oi Len! Why the fuck is it any of your business, as a local politician?

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  62. Manolo (14,188 comments) says:

    I reckon we have paid several times that sum for Ure:
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/7656491/Beneficiaries-cost-130-000-over-lifetime

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  63. Elaycee (4,425 comments) says:

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone….

    Mystery solved?

    Rumour has it that the ‘dodgy john’ that is constantly being referenced, is actually a punter from a knock shop in Carterton who legged it before he settled his debt with the hooker. The ‘dodgy john’ was last seen bolting past the Taratahi Pub – en route [ahem] to Masterton.

    But I’m at a loss to understand why Penny Not-So would want to keep referring to this though…. [gulp] 8O

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  64. TheContrarian (1,094 comments) says:

    Best Metal Albums?

    In no particular order

    Persistence of Time – Anthrax
    Powerslave – iron Maiden (though Number of the Beast is up there too)
    Ministry – The Mind is a Terrible Thing to Taste

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  65. Pete George (23,836 comments) says:

    Young Nats have a laugh at Young Labour – it’s really quite funny:

    “Internal conflicts plague Young Labour in Dunedin.”

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  66. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    PG :lol: deck chairs on the titanic!

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  67. Longknives (4,970 comments) says:

    Manolo- Whatever happened to Philu? Did he finally get excommunicated from Kiwiblog??
    Surely he hasn’t gone out and found himself a job…

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  68. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    American Housewife take on 9-11:

    http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2012/09/country-clubbing-on-9-11.html

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  69. Manolo (14,188 comments) says:

    @Longknives, I suspect Ure had a road to Damascus moment, saw the light, and finding great pleasure in an abstemious and drug-free lifestyle embarked on a trip as a Catholic missionary to peaceful Sudan.

    We shall all wish him good luck.

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  70. dime (10,224 comments) says:

    Dime had a night drinking piss with Lemmy a few years ago :D hes a good guy. he has this roadie called butch whos been with him for years. just a good bastard.

    My buddy opened for motorhead a while back too.

    Had a great night out drinking with Micky Dee (motorhead drummer) in Melbourne. a GREAT night!

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  71. chiz (1,175 comments) says:

    Phil u appears to have chosen to voluntarily refrain from commenting here. A quick check of his blog, however, shows that it still active, and that he is still reading kiwiblog – he is picking up links from here.

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  72. chiz (1,175 comments) says:

    The GalaxyZoo project has, since 2007, been using members of the public to help classify pictures of galaxies. Over the years they have found a number of galaxies that vaguely resemble the shapes of the letters of the alphabet. Now they have launched a website that lets you write messages in galaxy-letters. Now you can literally write your own name in the stars.

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  73. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Val the winner kiwi gold
    Disgraced drug cheat Nadzeya Ostapchuk has returned her tainted Olympic gold medal and it will be presented to London 2012 champion Valerie Adams in a public ceremony at The Cloud in downtown Auckland next Wednesday night.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/7660991/Adams-to-receive-gold-medal-on-Sept-19

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  74. Reid (16,748 comments) says:

    New website, like Wiki, allows edits, and isn’t an encyclopaedia but rather for specific issues.

    http://main.issuevet.com/index.php?title=Main_Page

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  75. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    I think the term is “caught” not disgraced Griff. The people who stuffed this up were her doctors. I came across this during today’s regular reads:

    http://www.skepticblog.org/2012/09/11/the-hidden-price-of-immoral-acts/#more-18905

    Don’t think your precious AB’s are not doing this people.

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  76. Reid (16,748 comments) says:

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012/09/11/the-11th-anniversary-911-paul-craig-roberts/

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  77. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Straight cut and paste from the news story more to celebrate Val than anything else
    have you seen before and after photos of the wochemicalman Val lost to
    Reminded me of the cccp weightlifters of the pre Berlin wall
    As for thugby not even remotely interested always appeared to be some gay arse sniffing ritual to me
    Your link made a interesting read professional+ chemical sport will come

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  78. Kea (13,580 comments) says:

    I agree Griff. I don’t get off on watching a bunch of blokes (dressed in little shorts and tight shirts) groping each other in a paddock. It is a bit like Broke Back Mountain, what they do is their business, but I am not going to sit and watch them do it.

    Redbaiter, and other knowledgeable and well considered folk, have studied this and found homos are all communists. Given the Kiwi love of rugby, this would go a long way to explaining the countries political leanings.

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  79. Reid (16,748 comments) says:

    Obama’s a Muslim.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=tCAffMSWSzY#t=28

    That explains a lot, doesn’t it.

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  80. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Red channels McCarthy everyone accept those who comment on true blow is a commie

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  81. cha (4,146 comments) says:

    Obama’s a Muslim.

    Looks like some voters don’t care.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/11/us-usa-election-poll-bible-belt-idUSBRE88A05H20120911

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  83. hj (7,186 comments) says:

    Saudi oil well dries up

    If Citigroup is right, Saudi Arabia will cease to be an oil exporter by 2030, far sooner than previously thought.
    A 150-page report by Heidy Rehman on the Saudi petrochemical industry should be sober reading for those who think that shale oil and gas have solved our global energy crunch.
    I don’t wish to knock shale. It is a Godsend and should be encouraged with utmost vigour and dispatch in Britain. But it is for now plugging holes in global supply rather than covering the future shortfall as the industrial revolutions of Asia mature.
    The basic point – common to other Gulf oil producers – is that Saudi local consumption is rocketing. Residential use makes up 50pc of demand, and over two thirds of that is air-conditioning.
    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/100019812/saudi-oil-well-dries-up/

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  84. cha (4,146 comments) says:

    Marvellous.

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/ktlincoln/how-to-streak-at-a-sporting-event-and-get-away-wit

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  85. Megatron (190 comments) says:

    Watched ten minutes of ‘The Ridges’, out of curiosity.
    What a fucking joke. Total airheads.
    If a rogue mouse is the best they can come up with God help us.
    It goes beyond cringe inducing. Pathetic.

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  86. RF (1,492 comments) says:

    “The Ridges”. Head down toilet and still puking after 5 mts of those total airheads. I would be banned for 12 months if I expressed my true feelings. And we pay towards this crap. Just because they are loose as gooses they get a TV show. &”?<%#?@$:

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  87. graham (2,348 comments) says:

    Megatron, RF: “Curiosity” is just about the only excuse I can accept. And I certainly wasn’t that curious.

    Ten minutes is a lot though. I once watched “Keeping Up With the Kardashians” out of curiosity. I think four minutes was all I could stomach.

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  88. RF (1,492 comments) says:

    Newstalk ZB talk back will be interesting tonight. I can hear the tar pots bubbling already. Anyone got any spare feathers.

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  89. Reid (16,748 comments) says:

    http://bottomline.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/11/13804631-once-jailed-banker-gets-104-million-whistleblower-payout?lite

    He spilled the beans on thousands of US citizens who had secret Swiss bank accounts.

    Birkenfeld attorney Stephen Kohn said the information the former Swiss banker turned over to the IRS led directly to the $780 million fine paid to the US by his former employer, UBS, as well as leading over 35,000 taxpayers to participate in amnesty programs to voluntarily repatriate their illegal offshore accounts. Kohn said that resulted in the collection of over $5 billion dollars in back taxes, fines and penalties that otherwise would have remained outside the reach of the government.

    Birkenfeld’s disclosures also led to the first cracks in the legendarily secretive Swiss banking system, and ultimately the Swiss government changed its tax treaty with the United States. UBS turned over the names of more than than 4,900 U.S. taxpayers who held illegal offshore accounts. Investigations into those accounts are ongoing…

    …Under the IRS whistleblower program which was revamped in 2006, informants are entitled to a percentage of the dollars recovered by the US government when fraud is exposed.

    This decision is expected to send a message to other potential informants that there is money, potentially big money, in turning to the government.

    So. How long is this guy going to live, once he’s released? I imagine if you’ve just lost quite a few hundred mil, I don’t imagine the Witness Protection program provides a great deal of security, especially from the sort of people who hide their wealth in the Swiss Banking system. I wish him well and thank him for coming clean, and also wonder if we shouldn’t have such a whistleblowing program here. After all, what better way to prevent fraud, than to make everyone who commits it look over their shoulders?

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  90. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Terror raids across Melbourne today..the Al Furqan Centre.. Will they get a mention in our papers??..I doubt it but of course there will be a big fuss when the Rotorua Islamic centre opens..Are we incapable of learning from the experiences of others?

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  91. Lazybum (259 comments) says:

    US ambassador to Libya killed tonight. This will be interesting, all over a movie about Allah. Dumb arsed religion.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/9537683/US-ambassador-to-Libya-killed-in-attack-on-Benghazi-consulate.html

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  92. Manolo (14,188 comments) says:

    Same old from the unions: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8531983/union-accuses-government-of-a-cop-out

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  93. Manolo (14,188 comments) says:

    More than dumb arsed religion: Islam is a criminal, violent and backward-looking creed.

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