General Debate 23 September 2012

September 23rd, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Fletch (5,719 comments) says:

    First!

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  2. KH (686 comments) says:

    Is there more to this ‘Waitangi gravy train’ story than they say here ?
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/7717735/Aid-pay-delays-crippling-firms
    Has the Justice Department been paying out when it should not have ?
    What does ‘poor invoicing’ by these Waitangi lawyers actually mean ?
    Is there a possibility the Justice Deaprtment will pay out just to sweep the rort under the carpet.
    Rather I would hope the article indicates that the Justice Department is on to them, and sorting out any trickery.

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  3. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/7717977/Report-or-else-schools-told

    But Principals Federation president Paul Drummond yesterday backed schools continuing to hold out on providing results.

    “I think it’s entirely appropriate for a board to make that decision, and they have to evaluate that in their own contexts. I would be supporting any school that made a considered decision about its stance on national standards.”

    The only thing that is appropriate for boards in this context is to comply with the law. It would seem to me to be thoroughly irreposonsible for the Principals Federation to be advocating or condoning action which results in non-compliance with the boards’ legal obligations. So much more so given that the response from the govt will be directed at the board, or the school through the board, and the not the principals directly.

    A great “lead from the rear” approach. And somewhat insightful in my opinion Mr Drummond

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  4. Pete George (21,804 comments) says:

    Oddly not listed on their The Nation webpage is the panel discussion between Winston Peters, David Parker and Don Brash. It was covered briefly in a news item: Labour supports bill to lower NZ dollar.

    I thought Brash was very strong, far better than he performed in political debates. It helped that this was a topic he has extensive expertise in.

    He agreed with the others on the need to have a lower exchange rate. But he kept asking what Parker would actually do that might be effective.

    About all Parker could say was “something different”.

    Something different for Parker and Peters would proposing an actual workable solution. Otherwise the are just poliwaffling.

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  5. gravedodger (1,426 comments) says:

    Muldoon had the answers eh.

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  6. Fletch (5,719 comments) says:

    White House administration now admits that Libyan attack was a terrorist attack, and had nothing to do with the youtube video as was claimed.

    White House Press Secretary Jay Carney finally telling reporters a week after the incident, “It is, I think, self-evident that what happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack,”

    and

    “I would say yes, they were killed in the course of a terrorist attack on our embassy,” Matt Olsen, the director of the National Counterterrorism Center, said Wednesday at a hearing of the Senate Homeland Security Committee

    There was no protest beforehand as was claimed. It was an armed attack.

    A Libyan security guard who said he was at the U.S. consulate here when it was attacked Tuesday night has provided new evidence that the assault on the compound that left four Americans dead, including the U.S. ambassador to Libya, was a planned attack by armed Islamists and not the outgrowth of a protest over an online video that mocks Islam and its founder, the Prophet Muhammad.
    The guard, interviewed Thursday in the hospital where he is being treated for five shrapnel wounds in one leg and two bullet wounds in the other, said that the consulate area was quiet – “there wasn’t a single ant outside,” he said – until about 9:35 p.m., when as many as 125 armed men descended on the compound from all directions.

    This is a HUGE failure of the Obama Administration’s foreign policy of appeasing Islamic nations.
    It’s even coming out now that a British firm was hired to guard the Embassey and they had a “no bullets” policy.

    The State Department selected a private British firm to provide security at the American mission in Benghazi, Libya in part because it was willing to accept the “no bullets” rules of engagement signed by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Breitbart News has learned.

    Gee, thanks Hillary. Let’s post guards with no bullets in their guns, because, you know, Muslims will be offended by guards with loaded guns.

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  7. Fletch (5,719 comments) says:

    This video may have had an effect though –

    On September 10th, the eve of the 11th anniversary of the Sept. 11 terror attacks, a new video was released by al-Qaeda spiritual leader Ayman Al-Zawahiri calling Libyans to rise up against Americans and avenge the death of Al Qaeda #2 Abu-Yahya al-Libi, who had been killed by a US drone attack in June. Contemporaneous accounts of the video make no mention of any reference to the anti-Islam YouTube video that is now being blamed for the recent Middle East violence.  

    The al-Qaeda video calling for revenge for the death of Abu-Yahya al-Libi is significant to the attacks in Libya because Abu-Yahya was from Libya.  Hence the suffix to his name “al-Libi.”  Libyan terrorists and Islamists knew Abu-Yaha well.  He was a hero to the Islamist extremists in that country.  The announcement of his “martyrdom” would surely have a significant resonance on the “Arab Street” of Libya. Add to that the built-in significance of the anniversary of the September 11th attacks, and even an amateur observer of world events would see a security concern brewing in Libya.

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  8. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    OH – Dear.

    The Herald reports that children in bigger classes get better National Standards results than do children in smaller classes.

    Now I recall – I think – some comments recently from teachers that the government policy of slightly increasing class sizes for better teacher quality was a pathway to doom and destruction………

    It seems that national Standard figures might not show the full picture of a school – but they sure as hell might show the limited brainpower that exists among teachers and teaching professionals……………

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  9. big bruv (12,328 comments) says:

    Phill Gifford has gone mad.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/our-experts/7717819/McCaw-one-of-seven-wonders-of-rugby-world

    McCaw is not even our greatest ever no7 let alone the best player and greatest captain of all time.

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  10. Paulus (2,294 comments) says:

    I live next to a decile 10 primary School – you can see this also by the mother’s cars at school time ends.

    BUT looking at their published results today I am horrified at the conclusion, which I can only (seriously) attribute to the teachers playing silly buggers with their figures. This is actually a very good school with probably no parental neglect, so results most puzzling

    They had a selected party recently when the unions were revolting (sic), for selected mothers and fathers, thanking them for their support for the teacher’s stand.

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  11. HB (266 comments) says:

    barry says:
    “OH – Dear.

    The Herald reports that children in bigger classes get better National Standards results than do children in smaller classes.

    Now I recall – I think – some comments recently from teachers that the government policy of slightly increasing class sizes for better teacher quality was a pathway to doom and destruction………

    It seems that national Standard figures might not show the full picture of a school – but they sure as hell might show the limited brainpower that exists among teachers and teaching professionals……………”

    OR could it be that better schools attract more students. And maybe that the parents of these students who decide to send their children to school B (better, but further away) rather than school A (underperforming, but close to home) are the sort of parents who feed and clothe their children, read to them, encourage them and took them to kindy?

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  12. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Even more prophetic today than 1965

    Counting down the days.

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  13. HB (266 comments) says:

    also
    some interesting comments about this here
    http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2012/09/23/well-below-standard-in-analysis/

    showing how taking only 7 schools out of the data (all schools for children with disabilities) changes the stats markedly

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  14. Pete George (21,804 comments) says:

    More on Labour wanting supporting Winston Peters wanting to broaden the focus of the Reserve Bank through his proposed eserve Bank of New Zealand (Amending Primary Function of Bank) Amendment Bill – Cunliffe has been pushing the same.

    Bur as Brash kept asking and Parker kept failing to addreess – what would they do different, part from do something different? Parker said:

    Inflation targeting for New Zealand has passed its usefulness, it was very important at the time to focus solely on inflation, but at the moment we face competitive devaluation abroad.

    I think it’s still important to target inflation, as Brash said, inflation erodes the value of wages.

    And one of the biggest problems with trying to compete with monetary devalution measures – many other countries have much bigger money printing presses than us. We can’t compete.

    http://yournz.org/2012/09/23/david-parker-on-exchange-rate-do-something-different/

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  15. HB (266 comments) says:

    also useful
    http://dimpost.wordpress.com/2012/09/22/chart-of-the-day-almost-as-if-theres-some-sort-of-relationship-edition/

    which kind of relates to my point further up about the parents and their attitude, motivation, nurturing etc.

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  16. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    Anybody want to join my ‘Banks-watch’?

    It’s comical like Peters/Clark and Glenn/Clark we get Banks/Key and Dotcom/ACT

    I thought Key said he was going to raise the standard of accountability in Parliament? “I haven;t read teh document?’ is that up there with ‘I didn’t know haw fast the motorcade was travelling?’

    What next: ‘Banks is only guilty of helping a constituent?’

    So this is Banks-watch – You know how many days KB can go without mentioning this particular elephant in the room?

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  17. Manolo (12,618 comments) says:

    McCaw is not even our greatest ever no7 let alone the best player and greatest captain of all time.

    Who’s being one-eyed now? :-)

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  18. thedavincimode (6,105 comments) says:

    Let me guess; BB?

    edit: correct.

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  19. thedavincimode (6,105 comments) says:

    And now the home mechanic/farmer tip of the day …

    There is no mechanical problem that cannot be resolved through brute strength and ignorance.

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  20. cha (3,529 comments) says:

    And now the home mechanic/farmer tip of the day …

    If in doubt, give it a clout….the larger the doubt the bigger the clout..and if that didn’t work get a bigger hammer.

    But never forget….tight’s tight…too tight’s fucked.

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  21. MH (558 comments) says:

    Forget about Reserve Bank, Peters,Brash and Cunliffe,more effort needs to be put into standardising the eftpos counter machines at retail outlets and petrol stations so time is not wasted in swiping yer card incorrectly.

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  22. kowtow (6,690 comments) says:

    Pakistani government minister for railways places a bounty on film makers head.

    So those ads that dhimmi Obama ran there didn’t have the desired effect.

    The news article says the minister has run the railways into the ground ,so we have something in common with the Paks!

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2012/09/201292216919289217.html

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  23. hj (5,677 comments) says:

    One of the problems with this Islamic jazz is that all the world leaders “respect (all) religions”. True leadership deals in truth and that doesn’t include religious belief. Discussion of religion from “leaders” should be based on critical thinking and science. That process is at a higher level than (say) denigrating his nibs and engages a higher functioning mind.

    God that’s good! [not bad anyway]

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  24. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    Quess who’s still being fucked in the ass?

    “Senator Bernardi has been treated appallingly by the MSM (of course), but also by many in his own party. Yet his speech was first rate. So let me here offer large slabs of it, since the MSM will never allow his actual words in context to see the light of day:

    “I have been and always will be a strong supporter of traditional marriage and its current definition, being a union between a man and a woman. Marriage is accorded a special place in our society because it is a union that is orientated towards having children, thereby ensuring the continuation of our population and civilisation. Society benefits from marriage, so marriage is accorded benefits by society. At the base level marriage is concerned about what is best for society, rather than being concerned about the so-called rights of the individual. Changing the definition of marriage would indeed change the focus of the institution itself. It would put the focus on the desire of adults, as opposed to having the focus on the production and nurturing of an environment for the raising of children for the benefit of society.

    “I know that not every marriage has children but marriage is a foundation for the family unit upon which our society is built. It has proven itself as the most sustainable and effective social support and training environment for our future generations. I recall columnist Miranda Devine quoted a UK Family Court judge in 2010 in which he noted that family breakdown is the cause of most social ills and that, despite its faults, marriage should be restored as the gold standard and social stigma should be reapplied to those who destroy family life.

    “The Australian Institute of Family Studies has found that children of married couples benefit from marriage because they have higher levels of social, emotional and educational development in comparison with children who do not live in that traditional environment. Married mothers are more likely to be employed or hold a university degree and married-couple families are less likely to come up against financial problems. While the authors of the research were keen to stress that this is because of a family’s financial situation and the educational qualifications of the mother, it does give me cause to wonder: doesn’t marriage itself help to provide financial stability and better outcomes? That seems to be a case for opening marriage up to any environment and to any union of two people, as Senator Cameron said, who happen to love each other, but in a family environment it is children who should be the primary concern and children benefit from having both a male and a female role model living in a house—two people that love each other in a permanent union.

    http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2012/09/20/and-another-massive-marriage-win/

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  25. Falafulu Fisi (2,176 comments) says:

    Christmas song quartet.

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  26. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Suck on this, muslims.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=084_1348151389

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  27. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    Islam is the new communism which is warring against the free West, and unless we stand against it, we will lose everything. That is why Wilders has had to go through all this misery, and that is why he has written this book. He has seen his own nation deteriorate rapidly, and he wants to see it – and the West – freed from the shackles of a seventh century political ideology.

    Marked for Death: Islam’s War Against the West and Me

    by Geert Wilders

    And that is what Islam really is: “I am talking about the ideology of Islam, not about individual Muslim people. There are many moderate Muslims, but that does not change the fact that the political ideology of Islam is not moderate – it is a totalitarian cult with global ambitions. We should not treat Islam more leniently than other political ideologies like communism and fascism just because it claims to be a religion. We must treat Islam as we do every other despotic creed that calls for the submission of those who do not adhere to it.”

    Despite the left’s portrayal of the Dutch politician and freedom fighter as a firebrand maverick and redneck, one certainly does not get that impression reading this important book. It is an intelligent, calm, well-argued and thoughtfully written volume, buttressed by over 700 endnotes.

    Wilders is not an outside observer of what Islam actually does to a Western nation: he has experienced it firsthand. For example, during his 20 years living in a borough of Utrecht he saw it transformed from a peaceful, law-abiding and clean community to a much different place.

    “As Islam exploded, crime spread throughout the district – cars were vandalized, people were robbed, and eventually Dutch women no longer felt safe in the streets. Marxists claim poverty causes crime, but I noticed the opposite: crime reduced the area to poverty. . . . As lawlessness spread, Dutch residents began moving out and Dutch shops closed down.” And that has been repeated throughout Europe and the UK.

    Mass migrations of Muslims, a failed policy of multiculturalism, and naive appeasement policies by the Westerners have resulted in huge and growing problems. And this has not happened by accident: the goal of Islam is the establishment of a universal Caliphate, with everyone submitting to sharia law.

    The Islamic doctrine of immigration is a political strategy of taking a nation over from within. The first step is to establish a mosque as a beachhead. While we may see these as mere religious symbols, Muslims see them differently: as the beginning steps of taking over the kafirs’ (unbelievers’) lands.

    He quotes Turkey’s prime minister: “The mosques are our barracks, the domes our helmets, the minarets our bayonets and the faithful our soldiers”. Muslim immigration, following the example of the Prophet, is the mandatory means by which a non-Muslim culture can be captured. It stops only after total submission. As Muhammad said, “There is no Hijra [migration] after the Conquest”.

    Europe now has well over 10,000 mosques, and in many European cities entire areas are no-go zones for non-Muslims – including police and fire personnel. While gullible Westerners are basically welcoming these ominous developments with open arms – and closed eyes and minds – it is all one-way traffic of course.

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  28. Falafulu Fisi (2,176 comments) says:

    Bereal, that man in that video ought to run for President of the US or perhaps the UK Prime Minister. That’s how politicians in the West should talk like. Speak the truth (even if it is insulting to the Muslims) and stop this fucking appeasement. The result of this appeasement is what causes the Muslims to keep poking the eye of Western values, since they see the leaders of the Western societies as weak and apologetic to them.

    Members of the Green Party (Keith Locke, et al) are the chief sympathizers & appeasers to the Muslims.

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  29. Viking2 (10,704 comments) says:

    I think it’s still important to target inflation, as Brash said, inflation erodes the value of wages.

    No Pete.
    Socialisn erodes the value of wages. Inflation is ineffect the result of socialism.

    Money is a tradeable commodity that raises or falls upon demand. The cost of that money is either in interest rates or in changing values when being exchanged.
    In our case the demand has risen because of the socialist attitudes of govt.’s since the 60′s when we stopped being entreprenurial,, started stealing from the productive and started controlling where the money was spent by the following years of the socialists in Govt. including this one.

    No longer do we trade goods & services according to the ability to pay but on the never never.

    No longer do we rapidly and easily build new, world leading export companies.
    Instead we place every barrier known to the socialists in the way of acheiving that. Hence rather than replacing old companies with new we prop up old one.
    (see the issue with Tait comms new building from yesterday)
    There are very few new rising industries or business groups that are unique NZ arising these days.

    The last one was the Kiwifruit industry and we have now stuffed that. A bit of software doesn’t equal another kiwifruit industry.

    If anyone else can name another major new exprt industry unique to NZ please do.

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  30. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    Here’s Wilders & Steyn talking about our national interests – This is what needs to be said at Nats and Labours national conferances.

    due to Wilders’ efforts. “Indicative of its new outlook, in July 2011, the Dutch government did something that no other nation has dared to do – it denounced the Organization of Islamic Unity (OIC), the tyrannical organization of fifty-seven Islamic countries, most of them barbaric dictatorships, that tries to bully Western nations into submitting to Islam’s diktats.”

    It also built a stronger relationship with Israel; boycotted the anti-Semitic Durban III conference; banned public uses of the burka; toughened up naturalisation requirements; and in general took steps to resist the slow but steady Islamisation of Holland. The result: “Those who settle in the Netherlands are now obliged to integrate. … Immigrants must benefit the Netherlands, not the other way around.”

    Of course Wilders has paid a great price for all this…. he had to go through a two-year trial in his own country for “hate speech” .

    As Mark Steyn said, “In twenty-first-century Amsterdam, you’re free to smoke marijuana and pick up a half-naked sex partner from the front window of her shop. But you can be put on trial for holding the wrong opinion about a bloke who died in the seventh century.”

    He concludes with some steps to preserve our freedoms and resist the spread of radical Islam:
    -Defend freedom of speech (and repeal all hate speech laws)
    -Reject all forms of cultural relativism
    -Stop the Islamisation of the West
    -Cherish our national identity.

    The rationale is this: “We have to stop pretending that Islam is merely a religion – it is primarily a totalitarian ideology that aims to conquer the West. A free society should not grant freedom to those who want to destroy it.” He finishes his invaluable volume with these words:

    “If we do not oppose Islamization, we will lose everything: our freedom, our identity, our democracy, our rule of law, and all our liberties. It is our duty to defend the legacy of Rome, Athens, and Jerusalem.”

    Near the end of the book he cites the assassinated US President, William McKinley: “That’s all a man can hope for during his lifetime – to set an example – and when he is dead, to be an inspiration for history.” Wilders has certainly been both an example and an inspiration – and so far he is still alive to continue in his important work.

    And that folks is why we need National standards in schools – so as to broaden the vocabulary of future Nat/Lab MP’s and their spineless leaders. :cool:

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  31. Viking2 (10,704 comments) says:

    MH (127) Says:
    September 23rd, 2012 at 10:21 am

    Forget about Reserve Bank, Peters,Brash and Cunliffe,more effort needs to be put into standardising the eftpos counter machines at retail outlets and petrol stations so time is not wasted in swiping yer card incorrectly.

    OH yes.

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  32. publicwatchdog (1,817 comments) says:

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/why-kim-dotcom-has-midas-touch-when-it-comes-media-nz-public-weekend-review-bc-p-129167

    MY COMMENT – AWAITING ‘MODERATION’ FROM NBR STAFF:

    (Still awaiting a reply to this ‘Dear John’ letter :)

    OPEN LETTER TO THE ‘HONORABLE’ JOHN BANKS – MP FOR EPSOM

    18 September 2012

    Dear John,

    RE: http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/115686/banks-welcomes-changes-to-'unfair'-donations-law

    Mr Banks says the changes are well overdue.

    “As Charles Dickens said in 1838 the law is an ass – and it’s important that the Government cleans it up. No candidate for public office should go through what I had to go through.”

    Given your above-mentioned publicly-stated concerns about the local electoral law ‘being an ass’, and needing to be ‘cleaned up’ – I would like to give you the opportunity to ‘put your money where your mouth is’ (as it were), on this matter.

    I am formally requesting that YOU please be the Member of Parliament to present the following petition to the House, at your earliest available opportunity:

    “That the House conduct an urgent inquiry into the findings of the Police investigation into the allegations that the Hon. John Archibald Banks, CNZM QSO, submitted a false donation return in respect to the Auckland Council Mayoral election 2010 – that it was not unlawful for the Hon. John Archibald Banks, CNZM QSO to sign and transmit his candidate’s declaration of expenses without first personally checking and verifying that the information provided (by another party) was accurate.”

    You may find it to be noteworthy that the first signature on this petition is that of Kim Dotcom, whose financial assistance to your 2010 Auckland Mayoral campaign, you may recall?

    Looking forward to your prompt response to this VERY important matter.

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
    2010 Auckland Mayoral candidate

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  33. thedavincimode (6,105 comments) says:

    Perhaps it’s attributable to residual lead levels as a consequence of living so close to the motorway.

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  34. Tauhei Notts (1,509 comments) says:

    Paulus at 9.24. Good post.
    But if you are going to have a go at the muppets of the education industry please ensure that your punctuation is correct.
    Your reference to the parents being rewarded for appreciating the teacher’s stand. Hey! it is teachers’.
    It reminds me of a placard in a teachers’ protest march some years ago;
    “Our countries teachers are the best in the world.”

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  35. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    “A gay man and his partner once asked me, ‘But how can you say our relationship is wrong? We’re not hurting anyone and there is no victim.’ I asked them, ‘Would you approve of two adult gay brothers having a relationship?’ They both replied, ‘But that is so wrong!’ Yet when I pressed them further, they could not say why their relationship was fine but that of two consenting brothers was not. So, what’s it going to be? Do we hold the line on marriage as the union of a man and woman only, or do we eventually open the door to incest too?”

    Yep, and who said there is no such thing as a slippery slope. When we seek to redefine the core meaning of marriage, we simply gut it of its very nature, meaning and purpose. And the activists expect and demand that we go along with this demolition job, promoting it, encouraging it, and advancing it.

    This my friends is the real nature of homosexual “tolerance”. The activists do not tolerate us, they hate us and are bent on destroying us and our institutions. We are in a war, and one side will prevail. If you care about your children and grandchildren, at the very least, then you need to be aware of this war and you need to be taking a stand before it is too late.

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  36. grumpyoldhori (2,410 comments) says:

    What, Muslims who are not Jihadists, they must be confused.

    They need to ask the mouth breathers in this country who believe all those of the Muslim religion to be would be terrorists.
    The same dumb mouth breathers who believe none of the xtian mob could ever be a terrorist.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/shashankjoshi/100182273/muslim-rage-turns-against-libyas-jihadist-militia-so-much-for-lazy-stereotypes-of-fanatical-arabs/

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  37. wat dabney (3,438 comments) says:

    Guess who’s still being fucked in the ass?

    Harriet, please. Enough with the boasting.

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  38. Paulus (2,294 comments) says:

    Tauhei

    Yes – you are correct my apostrophe was in the wrong place.
    But it does not detract from my comments however.

    cheers

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  39. publicwatchdog (1,817 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10835837

    SOCIAL WELFARE – NOT ‘CORPORATE’ WELFARE!

    HOW MANY BILLION$ OF PUBLIC MONIES COULD BE MADE AVAILABLE FOR THE NEEDY PUBLIC IF IT WASN’T BEING WASTED ON GREEDY CORPORATE WELFARE BENEFICIARIES?

    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1111/S00095/wheres-nationals-corporate-welfare-reform.htm

    How many billion$ of public monies could be saved by ‘CUTTING OUT THE CONTRACTORS’?

    Where’s National’s ‘corporate welfare’ reform?

    Which of the maor political parties are pushing for ‘corporate welfare’ reform and shrinking the long-term dependency of the private sector on our public monies?

    Where is the ‘devilish detail’ at both local and central government level – which shows EXACTLY where our public rates and taxes are being spent on private sector consultants and contractors?

    Why aren’t the names of the consultant(s)/ contrators(s) – the scope, term and value of these contracts, published in Council or central government Annual Reports – so this information on the spending of OUR public monies is available for public scrutiny?

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  40. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    The radicals are in a perpetual state of taking offence, and no amount of grovelling, apologising or appeasement will change things. Indeed, a steady stream of apologies and kowtowing to the radicals simply ups the ante, and causes them to make even more of a stink, and expect even more silly responses from the West.

    “Einstein’s definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results.”

    By this standard, our foreign policy in the Middle East has been managed by crazy people since 1979.

    “You cannot ask me to sacrifice my freedom so as not to offend savages.”

    “It’s acting like a battered wife, who accepts a beat-down from her husband as justified punishment for burning his dinner – or Koran.”

    This double standard also reflects incoherent thinking, a failure to apply consistently a principle that presumably has universal validity. Hence we celebrate and practice “tolerance” at the same time we enable, ignore, excuse, and rationalize intolerance.

    In the West’s struggle with Islamic jihad, our doubts about the superiority of Western beliefs have coupled with this breakdown in ethical reasoning. The result is the appeasement of jihadist aggression and the confirmation of the jihadist estimation of the West’s weakness and corruption’.”

    As Mark Steyn has said, “They can’t keep taking offense at everything”. But it seems that is just what they are seeking to do. The more they take offence, the more we apologise and grovel on our faces before the militants. And the more we do that, the more they take offence.

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  41. Bob (442 comments) says:

    I wonder why Kim Dotcom is being given so much attention. Sure he is a character but we must remember he is wanted by American justice for criminal acts. Whether or not John Banks has broken any rules about election donations he is hardly as low as Dotcom. Banks has been a loyal public servant for a large part of his life. Why does the media give so much credence to the sleazy fat German?

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  42. Jack5 (4,216 comments) says:

    Karl Du Fresne is most interesting on Kim Hill in his blog (link below).

    Du Fresne’s points on the leftist Hill deserve to be paralleled to someone dusting up that other leftist fogey, Chris Laidlaw. Today he provided a soapbox for Richard Towle, of the United Nations refugee program, to lecture New Zealand on what it should and should not be doing in regard to boat people and other illegal immigrants. How dare the UN presume to tell us how to run our policies on illegal immigration.

    “We would not see creeping into the debate into New Zealand that there is an economic motivation (of boat people) … ” said Towle.

    He also said the expression “queue jumper” was misleading, and the UN was deeply disturbed to see the term creeping into debate in NZ.

    There is no queue (of refugees) and never was one, said Towle. Illegal refugees are merely exerting an international right, he said.

    What gives this world organisation, dominated by international dictatorships and West-hating tyrannies, the right to tell NZ citizens how to run their borders?

    Over all, there hasn’t been an economic rationale for Radio NZ since the 1930s, when it was a Government initiative to pioneer a then new technology. This socialist baby has stayed forever on the taxpayer’s tit. Why didn’t the centre-right and the right adopt it out to a commercial network long ago?

    Can anyone enlighten me whether Radio NZ fell into its present policies or was Radio NZ hijacked by the left. I would describe Radio NZ’s overriding policies as feminist, left-wing, sickly liberal, and secular. It is torn between multiculturalism and biculturalism.

    If you go to this du Fresne blog link, the Kim Hill kill is the second item down:

    http://karldufresne.blogspot.co.nz/

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  43. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    Um bob think. The lefties can mount a big protest of no wants to deport a Muslim with a shady past. The us is red rag to a lefty. Even a simple wreath laying by a yank is protest worthy.

    Where are they trying to block Kim from being extradited for pissing off Hollywood trillion aires?

    … Food for thought about who the real establishment is eh?

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  44. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    Agreed jack. If there was a labour government and RNZ was right biased it would be immediately closed if not worse – prosecutions and witch hunts on trumped up charges.

    The same could be said for most universities, most charities and many other state institutions in no.

    So why does the centre right not do anything- because,there is no right and virtually no centre in this country. National would rather commit political suicide than tackle these issues.

    Look at the massive number of left wing pressure groups passing as charities, with charitable status, but they let the charities commission take charity status away from sensible sentencing trust.

    Go figure.

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  45. Manolo (12,618 comments) says:

    Rod Oram, pathetic number one fan of Helen Clark, continues to profess his love of socialist Labour today when he praises Parker as a wise NZ politician. Ah, the shameless POM.

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  46. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    “Give us the child for eight years and it will be a Bolshevik forever.” – Lenin.

    That point is this: we already do have hardcore religious preaching taking place in our public schools.

    It happens every day in every school in the country. And the religion being taught in all our schools is that of secular humanism.

    Secular humanism is a worldview with a set of basic beliefs which address the basic issues of life. And it has its sacred texts, its prophetic voices, and its list of dos and don’ts. It is a worldview and it is a religion. Even the US Supreme Court ruled that secular humanism is indeed a religion.

    So our academics are being quite disingenuous at best, and fraudulent at worst, in saying there should be no preaching in our public schools. It happens every day. Secular humanism is the default worldview which is being promoted in our schools all the time.

    Abraham Lincoln was certainly correct when he stated, “The philosophy of the schoolroom in one generation is the philosophy of government in the next.” And the philosophy of the classroom today is unquestionably that of secular humanism.

    Education is not values neutral………………Labour’s Teachers Union are Commies…..Marriage wreckers…..family wreckers…..! :cool:

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  47. Longknives (4,040 comments) says:

    Big Bruv- You are taking your life into your hands daring to suggest “Sir Ritchie” is anything but the second coming!
    I recall commenting after the RWC final last year that “Saint Ritchie” might have got away with one after quite conveniently “accidentally” stoving the French goalkicker’s head-in…Christ the torrent of abuse and name-calling I got from normally level-headed Kiwibloggers almost made me blush!
    Worth remembering that Gifford does tend to get carried away- only last week he made the claim that Val Adams was our “greatest athlete ever”…and a couple of years ago he claimed that Dan Carter was in fact the “greatest rugby player of all time”!

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  48. Nostalgia-NZ (4,685 comments) says:

    I thought he actually said that Peter Snell was our greatest ever, and the Valerie was reaching parity with him but that a gold in the next Olympics would put her ahead.

    Anyway you’d need to look at his definition of a number seven in perspective in terms of Ritchie, maybe including the caps he’s had would put him the greatest catagory but I doubt that he could ever be said to have eclipsed Michael Jones in playing a similar number of tests. But we’ve had magnificent seven’s always and Phil is reaching the ‘statesman’s’ stage so I guess he feels that qualifiies his opinion over that of others.

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  49. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    Labours Teachers Union agree that there is only room for one ideology and worldview in NZ public schools, and that must be secular humanism.

    So this is what passes for education nowadays. It of course has absolutely nothing to do with education, and everything to do with mass brainwashing, with mind control, and with a ruthless and totalitarian campaign of indoctrination.

    No wonder so many concerned parents are withdrawing their kids from these PC hotbeds. They have had enough of the brainwashing, and want their children to have genuine education by real teachers, not militant homosexual thought police turning their kids into PC zombies.

    PC is intellectual lazyness – bought to your children via Labours Teachers Union! :cool:

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  50. Jack5 (4,216 comments) says:

    Kevin, your 2.33 post:

    Wow! THe Charities Commission won’t give Charities status to the Sensible Sentencing Trust! Most interesting. It doesn’t qualify, the following organisations do.

    EXAMPLE 1:

    My understanding is that Sanitarium Food Products, which provides so much breakfast fodder for Kiwis, is fully owned by the New Zealand Health Association, which in turn is fully owned by the Seventh Day Adventist Church. This (the Health Association) is listed by the Commission as a charity, with the following:

    “Commercial activity for raising funds to promote & educate healthy eating & healthy living in accordance to religious beliefs), Makes grants to organisations (including schools or other charities), Sponsors / undertakes research, Provides advice / information / advocacy.”

    EXAMPLE 2:

    Also listed as a charity is the Ngai Tahu Charitable Group, including about 30 companies. Examples are Ngai Tahu Fisheries, Ngai Tahu Capital, Ngai Tahu Property, Shotover Jet, Hollyford Valley Walk.

    With the Ngai Tahu listings on the Charities Commission site are the following:

    Sectors

    Employment), Education / training / research, Health, Environment / conservation, Community development, Arts / culture / heritage, Care / protection of animals, Economic development, Fund-raising, Promotion of volunteering

    Activities

    (Makes grants to organisations (including schools or other charities)), Makes grants / loans to individuals, Makes grants to organisations (includes schools or other charities), Sponsors / undertakes research, Acts as an umbrella / resource body, Provides advice / information / advocacy, Provides other finance (e.g. investment funds), Provides human resources (e.g. staff / volunteers), Provides buildings / facilities / open space

    Beneficiaries

    (All of the above), Children / young people, Other charities, Voluntary bodies other than charities, Older people, Animals, People with disabilities, People of a certain ethnic / racial origin, General public, Family / whanau, Children / young people

    Are there any accountants or lawyers who can tell us whether these chariable classifications let these two organisations operate tax free, and on what basis they can be classed as charities while the Sensible Sentencing Trust can’t be?

    I have heard that the IRD runs its own charities list, but I understand that the CHarities Commission was set up to take the pressure off the IRD in making decisions about who and what are really charities.

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  51. RF (1,128 comments) says:

    A left leaning friend attended the protest rally concerning school closures held in Christchurch on Saturday. He felt quite at home as he noticed that those running the show were mainly from the now defunct Christchurch Central Labour. This used to be the seat held by Tim Barnett and Brendan Burns. Wayne Hawker & Yani Johanson who are known Labour activists from Christchurch Central were stirring up the crowd that seemed to have a fair number of children making speeches and prompted by their parents.

    Labour are always in the background of these protests.

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  52. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    Thanks for the info Jack. I’ve been intending to look it up ESP the iwi stuff. It’s quite obvious the iwi businesses pay no taxes, but why aren’t real businesses and their political allies up in arms?

    See my post on the child poverty thread for comments on the Child Poverty Action Group, a particularly far left pressure group with links to minto etc.

    Need an investigative reporter on this – like that will ever happen

    Example 3. Child Poverty Action Group

    Sectors

    Education / training / research), Accommodation / housing, Health, Social services, Employment, International activities, Economic development, Fund-raising, People with disabilities, Promotion of volunteering

    Activities

    Provides advice / information / advocacy), Sponsors / undertakes research, Acts as an umbrella / resource body, Provides human resources (e.g. staff / volunteers)

    Beneficiaries

    Children / young people), Other charities, Voluntary bodies other than charities, Older people, People with disabilities, People of a certain ethnic / racial origin, General public, Family / whanau, Migrants / refugees, Religious groups

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  53. Reid (15,526 comments) says:

    The Obama you don’t know: a special report.

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama#.UFsQT41lQ18#LPFWLP_S

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  54. Viking2 (10,704 comments) says:

    Hey guys here’ some stuff on the electrical workers Union.

    http://screencast.com/t/BJfCGaIz8

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  55. Viking2 (10,704 comments) says:

    :lol: :lol: :lol: :cool:

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  56. Viking2 (10,704 comments) says:

    Marriage proposal on All Blacks flight

    Sunday, 23, Sep, 2012 8:31AM

    There’s been a marriage proposal on the All Blacks’ flight to Argentina.

    Now calm down they ain’t marrying one another.

    http://www.telstraclear.co.nz/news/news-story.cfm?content_id=841474

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  57. Viking2 (10,704 comments) says:

    Calls for scrapping of concurrent sentence system

    Sunday, 23, Sep, 2012 2:31PM

    The father of a murder victim is backing the sentiment the concurrent sentencing system should be wiped from the law books.

    The sentencing system allows offenders to serve time for different sentences simultaneously.

    It’s at the centre of debate since Ewen Macdonald was given a mix of cumulative and concurrent sentences for his revenge acts on local farmers.

    Charlie Borrell’s son Augustine was killed by an offender who was on bail for a previous stabbing charge.

    He isn’t happy that despite the offender having committed numerous other crimes while on bail, his sentences were served concurrently.

    Mr Borrell says it’s not right and the law needs to change.

    “It’s like telling the public, ‘sorry we can’t punish people properly enough’ or ‘we can’t afford to punish people properly enough’ so we’ve got accumulate the sentences.”

    http://www.telstraclear.co.nz/news/news-story.cfm?content_id=841485

    Couldn’t agree more. Punish each crime.

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  58. Fletch (5,719 comments) says:

    I see the Ozzies are not allowing Wilders to visit, but letting in a Jihadist.

    Geert Wilders, the Dutch MP who frequently warns about the dangers of Islamic radicalism, has applied for a visa to visit and give speeches in Australia, but the application has stalled. The official reason for the delay is that Wilders is on the Movement Alert List, a database of people of security concern to the Australian government. It means that his application is being held up at the Department of Immigration headquarters in Canberra while more thorough security checks are done.

    As if to underscore the politically correct calculations delaying Wilders’ visa application, the governing Australian Labour Party swiftly approved a visa for Taji Mustafa, the British head of the Islamist group Hizb ut-Tahrir, a group notorious for religious intolerance, disdain for Western values and sympathy for jihad. Prime Minister Julia Gillard said she would not be revoking Mustafa’s visa and that Hizb ut-Tahrir was not on the government’s list of proscribed terrorist groups.

    WTF is wrong with these people?

    Don’t they understand that by kowtowing to these Islamists they are helping to bring about the destruction of Western Society.

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  59. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    Good on Charlie. What a scam concurrent sentencing has been. Probably dreamed,up by,some manhattan socialists as a cocktail party joke to see if they could get away with it. Eagerly adopted by sycophantic remuera socialists here like Sian Elias.

    How many have,died because,of this scam?

    By the way they could get rid of this paid your debt to society bullshit while they’re at it. When they get out they should start paying back their fucking accommodation costs.

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  60. grumpyoldhori (2,410 comments) says:

    Has Biden got the female vote ?
    Damn Jill Biden is a attractive woman.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXo_Olpj6GE&NR=1&feature=endscreen

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  61. kowtow (6,690 comments) says:

    The European Union and legislated “equality”……..

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/surprise-cdu-support-edges-germany-toward-gender-quota-law-a-856974.html

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  62. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    Damn, nothing destroys common sense in gender debates faster than some male politicians desperate to get laid.

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  63. HB (266 comments) says:

    http://schoolreport.stuff.co.nz/search.html?search=loc&location=Hastings,%20Hawke's%20Bay,%20New%20Zealand

    Why the heck does Lindisfarne (decile 10) get so much money?
    According to this they get more funding per student than the students at low decile schools….

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  64. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    Oh darmn hori She’s a leftie, but I guess no one is perfect.

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  65. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    Fletch#

    ‘……WTF is wrong with these people?………..Don’t they understand that by kowtowing to these Islamists they are helping to bring about the destruction of Western Society.

    It’s called Western Apathy……………radical Islam, and their never ending offence-taking. Any and every excuse will do to take offence, and they effectively have much of the West in a condition of dhimmitude, with leaders, the MSM, and our cultural elites all fearful of saying anything or doing anything which might offend the religion of peace.

    And when they do say something – you can hear the planes engines starting up….and the bombs going off!

    As Mark Steyn said –

    “In twenty-first-century Amsterdam, you’re free to smoke marijuana and pick up a half-naked sex partner from the front window of her shop. But you can be put on trial for holding the wrong opinion about a bloke who died in the seventh century.” -[On Gert Wilders]

    “We have to stop pretending that Islam is merely a religion – it is primarily a totalitarian ideology that aims to conquer the West. A free society should not grant freedom to those who want to destroy it.” – Wilders.

    “If we do not oppose Islamization, we will lose everything: our freedom, our identity, our democracy, our rule of law, and all our liberties. It is our duty to defend the legacy of Rome, Athens, and Jerusalem.” – Wilders

    assassinated US President, William McKinley: “That’s all a man can hope for during his lifetime – to set an example – and when he is dead, to be an inspiration for history.”

    “Defending the legacy of Rome, Athens, and Jerusalem” ? – That’s the role the Aust/NZ governments SHOULD be doing Fletch! :cool:

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  66. Reid (15,526 comments) says:

    Ex-Head of the CIA unit assigned to track down OBL talks about West vs east.

    and

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  67. cha (3,529 comments) says:

    Looks like the culture of entitlement indulgence never really went away.

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  68. Sofia (779 comments) says:

    … Nour, whose party is the second largest in parliament and plays a formidable force in Egypt’s new politics, said President Mohamed Mursi should demand “legislation or a resolution to criminalise “contempt of Islam as a religion and its Prophet” at the UN General Assembly next week.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/7718784/Pakistan-puts-bounty-on-film-makers-head

    Could be interesting – might need a little amendment to the United Nation Declaration of Human Rights

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  69. DJP6-25 (1,229 comments) says:

    thedavinchimode 9:48am. You forgot to add this … and the right combination of ‘Anglo Saxon’. That combination sometimes takes a while to arrive at. When you do, it means the problem is either fixed, or you’ve given up, and got over it.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  70. cha (3,529 comments) says:

    Yeah sofia, blasphemy laws to punish crimes against religion just aren’t on.

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  71. wat dabney (3,438 comments) says:

    That point is this: we already do have hardcore religious preaching taking place in our public schools.It happens every day in every school in the country. And the religion being taught in all our schools is that of secular humanism…

    In Harriet’s mad world there is no scientific, logical or moral distinction between on the one hand teaching impressionable children to believe in the Tooth Fairy and, on the other, not forcing such a belief on them.

    In particular, not teaching them to believe in (and uncritically worship) the Tooth Fairy constitutes “hardcore religious preaching.”

    Harriet, if you insist on children being indoctrinated with childish ideas about magical pixies then you must accept that every belief system must taught equally. Given the hundreds or thousands of different religions I’m not sure how you are going to fit it all in.

    Far better, surely, to teach children critical thinking skills so they can decide for themselves.
    But that’s the very last thing theists want, isn’t it.

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  72. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    “….Far better, surely, to teach children critical thinking skills so they can decide for themselves.
    But that’s the very last thing theists want, isn’t it…..”

    Oh c’mon watty of course it’s not the last thing- as I said yesterday -

    Is this the same adult world with ‘critical thinking’, where a fully grown adult male with the same fertility rate as most other males prances up Queen st to Kylie danz muzic wearing only rhinstone spangled underpants, and all the while, believes he was ‘born’ ‘gay’ ?

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  73. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    “….Harriet, if you insist on children being indoctrinated with childish ideas about magical pixies then you must accept that every belief system must taught equally….”

    Watty – is that the total limit of your knowledge of religion ?

    That fucked ya :cool:

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  74. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    Watty#

    Everyone needs some guidance in life – especially if you are learning to drive.

    The way that we treat others and ourselves and they way that we all interact has been handed down to us from places such as Rome, Athens, and Jerusalem.

    Or do you just think that everything known to children just happens to fall out of a coconut tree and scone some sense into them?

    Where is the huminists book that parents are given to train their kids Watty?

    Their ain’t one! :cool:

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  75. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    You Neolibs must be happy with Romney’s polling.

    Having Ryan as a running mate really paid off.

    I thought Redbaiter was telling us how Ryan was the best thing since sliced bread.

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  76. chiz (1,095 comments) says:

    Harriet:Secular humanism is a worldview with a set of basic beliefs which address the basic issues of life. And it has its sacred texts, its prophetic voices, and its list of dos and don’ts. It is a worldview and it is a religion. Even the US Supreme Court ruled that secular humanism is indeed a religion.

    The US supreme court has never made such a ruling. This is an urban legend.

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  77. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Left trumps Right in TV1 political poll.

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  78. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    :….The US supreme court has never made such a ruling. This is an urban legend….”

    If that is true or not it doesn’t take away the fact that humanism is a religion. It has all the characteristics.

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  79. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    National labour greens Winnie Maori and whats his face on the left, so that’s to be expected.

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  80. Lazybum (259 comments) says:

    And the Native Party hold the balance of power.

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  81. Manolo (12,618 comments) says:

    The savages are now “dictating” terms: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/world/middleeast/egyptian-leader-mohamed-morsi-spells-out-terms-for-us-arab-ties.html?_r=0

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  82. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Lazybum – racial. New Zealand’s moved on.

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  83. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    Lazy bum let me translate. We don’t use the word native anymore, it’s not PC

    What he means is the indigenous party holds the balance of power.

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  84. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    They call themselves the Maori Party, although one wonders how many ordinary Maori have been better off since 2008.

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  85. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Anyhow, there was one thing the poll got wrong – it assumed Banks would win Epsom.

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  86. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    The same number as have been better off since 1985.

    Oh well a racist apartheid constitution is bound to fix it. National will be right behind that one…more beaches to privatise.

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  87. Harriet (4,010 comments) says:

    “….What he means is the indigenous party holds the balance of power….’

    And what HE means is that people who are mostly one thing -like scots/irish- but think they are mostly something else -like maori- hold the balance of power.

    They also believe that they are the ONLY indeginous people too.

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  88. Manolo (12,618 comments) says:

    The Invisible Man Shearer’s days should be numbered. Thankfully, they are not.

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  89. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Well at least we can look forward to a change of government in 2014. This one can’t even push a legislative programme through and admits there aren’t enough staff to enforce its policies. What a joke.

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  90. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    True cant wait. At least labour had the decency to keep the beaches public. Come back Helen all is forgiven.

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  91. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Well at least we can agree on one thing – public beaches.

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  92. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Fuck I went to a decile 10 Intermediate and Secondary School. Sorta blows all the shit out of the water eh? :)

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  93. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    Yes but I will never agree with having to pay to go onto them even through our taxes which national has condemned us to.

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  94. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    National sucks.

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  95. nasska (9,489 comments) says:

    A teacher in a class is going around all the children and asking them what they want to do when they grow up. It eventually gets around to little Johnny’s go.

    “So Johnny, what do you want to do when you’re older?” Asks the teacher.

    Johnny replies “I want to be a millionaire and have a bitch, and I’ll buy my bitch lots of nice clothes and jewelry and take her on holidays all around the world on a private jet that I’ll buy for her, and have sex with her 5 times a day on our desert island.”

    The teacher is shocked and has no idea how to reply, so just moves on to the next child, completely flabbergasted.

    “OK…Ahem, and Rebecca? What do you want to be when you’re older?”

    Rebecca replies “Johnny’s bitch.”

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  96. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7719245/Collins-appalled-by-Scott-Guy-TV-coverage.

    Hope she does something about it. Anything that makes funny looking little martial arts posers into media superstars on our dollars is a good law eh folks? :)

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  97. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Not that I am thinking of any particular shitbag lawyer in question of course! :)

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  98. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Even if he practices in Lower Hutt! :)

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  99. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    ” The jury in the Macdonald trial did not know he had pleaded guilty to killing 19 calves with a hammer, and other crimes.

    ”If for instance the jury had known about the appalling attacks on those little calves,”

    What a stupid comment from an erstwhile intelligent Minister to make.

    I’m sure the “little calves” weighed more than her and probably were more intelligent.

    Where the fuck do we dredge up our MP’s from? :)

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  100. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    One of the better ministers on Planet Key is Collins. I also rate Finlayson and sometimes Tolley.

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  101. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    I guess you are in demand to rate Obama and Putin then Hamnida? :)

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  102. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Yep, I rate Obama and Putin. I don’t rate Romney.

    That Australian Tory guy is a bit of a laugh, but not really prime minister material.

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  103. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Quite right Gillard has it all over him!! :)

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  104. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    I’m beginning to think you are taking yourself seriously Hamnida? :)

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  105. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    I’m not saying Gillard is polling well. I am surprised the opposition couldn’t find a better leader. He seems more like a crazy divorced uncle having a mid life crisis to me than a prime minister.

    I thought there were other options, like the guy with the wig or the fat one.

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  106. Lazybum (259 comments) says:

    So Juliar Gillard is PM material? Fecking useless Welsh Bint who is a dodgy lawyer in a previous life.
    I reckon NZ is stuffed, I will vote Green in 2014, it will make the transition to 3rd world country state even quicker.
    The Greens will empty our wallets quicker than Hitler turned the gas tap on.

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  107. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Perhaps the Aussie Labour Party is very similar to our own Hamnida?

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  108. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    I think they’re similar in some ways, and different in other ways.

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  109. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/7718784/Pakistan-puts-bounty-on-film-makers-head

    Never have worked out why the Indians have resisted nuking them for so bloody long! :)

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  110. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    Hell the prevailing wind goes the other way and everything! :)

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  111. Tauhei Notts (1,509 comments) says:

    Johnboy at 8.19
    If those calves weighed as much as Paula Bennett; – It just makes me think of weiner schnitzel – so lovely.
    But, then again, if those calves weighed as much as Paula Bennett they would be classified as beef, rather than as veal.
    So I might have that wrong.

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  112. Johnboy (13,342 comments) says:

    It is not regarded as very PC to eat Whales in NZ Tauhei! :)

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  113. my 2 cents (1,091 comments) says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bzTA_D5NpU&feature=g-vrec

    a man talking sense.

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  114. Tauhei Notts (1,509 comments) says:

    I hope this is not too far off topic but I think it is significant.
    Richard Meadows on Stuff has repeated an Inland Revenue Department handout prepared by the Department’s public relations division.
    The I.R.D. has scooped up $32,000,000 in overdue Student Loan(SL) payments from SL borrowers living offshore.
    WHOOPDY DO
    Then read further and find that the SL debt of people living off shore is $2670 mil.
    The IRD recovered $32 mil.
    And it took them two years to do it.
    They recovered less than 0.6% of the debt each year. And they have a public relations division trying ever so hard to make that look wonderful. This is pathetic.

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  115. publicwatchdog (1,817 comments) says:

    Seen this Kiwibloggers?

    http://tvnz.co.nz/politics-news/act-party-founder-douglas-backs-banks-5099832

    57% polled think John Key should sack John Banks.
    31% disagree.
    12% undecided

    Time to go out to the wilds of Remuera with the following banner?

    “The Not-So-Honourable’ John Banks ACT MP for Epsom
    has all the class of a RAT with a gold tooth”

    https://mail-attachment.googleusercontent.com/attachment/?ui=2&ik=18afffb768&view=att&th=139f1d44729f4141&attid=0.2&disp=inline&realattid=f_h7frrnoy1&safe=1&zw&saduie=AG9B_P-I5Cd-lIWIP7LzmJSi9erv&sadet=1348382249832&sads=6w9Sr9RXYHMIvJ3srHJ1-TZzVp8

    Together with the banner which says:

    “Dodgy John Banks protected by shonky John Key?”

    Penny Bright

    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  116. Scott Chris (5,675 comments) says:

    Fuck I went to a decile 10 Intermediate and Secondary School. Sorta blows all the shit out of the water eh?

    They got a decile 10 borstal in your area Johnboy? :mrgreen:

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  117. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    Please have a massive spam campaign of this equal rights petition on other blogs tomorrow. Ta kiwi bloggers.
    http://www.nzcpr.com/petition_EqualRights.php
    NRC No Racist Constitution.

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  118. Manolo (12,618 comments) says:

    If you believe the charismatic rascal: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/23/bill-clinton-no-earthly-idea-what-hillary-may-do-next/

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  119. Manolo (12,618 comments) says:

    That Australian Tory guy is a bit of a laugh, but not really prime minister material.

    I had no idea Invisible Man Shearer was Australian!

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  120. MT_Tinman (2,790 comments) says:

    I notice the fella behind the attack that killed two NZ soldiers in Afganistan has been caught.

    What say we bring him to NZ to box Valarie Adams?

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  121. wtfunz (133 comments) says:

    Penny not so – It’s not going to happen you abuser of good oxygen. TVNZ polls have never been anything better than toilet paper. Shit (what they’re good for) – they probably did their poll in Otara, or even worse – Henderson.

    Get a life you left of, left wing looney!

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