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And who’s regretting staying up last night watching cricket, knowing that an hour’s less sleep was in the offing? But what about those dead ball calls? For once, the Black Caps would be justified in crying “We wuz robbed!”…
KS, lost some sleep for the daylight saving switch, lost some sleep for a bunche of losers in the cricket. We fielded well enough, the dead balls are a frace, but we didn’t bat or bowl well enough.
Liz wrote to Campbell Live after seeing our stories on child poverty.
“A hungry child doesn’t care whose fault it is they just want someone to help,” she wrote.
For all those people who have written to blame the parents, here is an example of a parent worth listening to, because she has lived through true poverty as a child – no school bag, no shoes, no lunch or even dinner – and yet somehow Liz has broken the cycle.
She didn’t do it alone. There were influences in Liz’s life that made a difference, influences that helped her break the cycle of poverty.
Watch the video to see her story.
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rhiannon hart wrote:
This is my sister in this video and as much as I agree that poverty is bad in NZ liz told a lot of lies…… We always had shoes and my mum never put a bill befor feeding us and we always had lunch and dinner. Yes we were in the breakfast program for a time and it was a hard time for us. But my sister has lied and over dramatised a situation to get attention
It’s the bowlers fault that he hits the stumps, so why punish the fielding side. If he can’t deliver a ball from within the confined area then it should be a no-one followed by a free-hit. I expect he will continue to do it knowing that there will be no real disadvantage. The commentators had another good idea — 3 strikes and you are out of the attack.
I wonder how Robbie is feeling — 31-8 is not a good look. He does seem to have bad luck with injuries, though and he can’t be blamed for slipper’s idiocy
Ross Taylor’s suggestion was even better; apply the advantage law. If the batsmen scores from the ball, he obviously wasn’t distracted; if he gets out, then it becomes a dead ball. But between that and the two crap wide calls from Simon Taufel, New Zealand was disadvantaged by nine runs, and three extra deliveries. In a low scoring match, that was significant.
Not So Great Expectations
” Following an item on TV3’s Campbell Live showing the full lunch-boxes of Year 6 pupils at a Decile Ten primary school and the almost total absence of lunch-boxes (and lunches!) among children of the same age at a Decile One school, the letters columns of the daily press were filled with parental indignation.
This wasn’t evidence of child poverty, the letter-writers railed, this was evidence of parental failure and neglect.
The people who take this position aren’t heartless and judgemental right-wingers (as some of my hard-line left-wing brethren have been quick to brand them) they are simply working from a different set of expectations.” http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.co.nz/2012/09/not-so-great-expectations.html
Why can’t people on the left relate family size to poverty in so far as:
Expert Anton Blank:. ..”More than half of the 230,000 N.Z children living below the poverty line are Maori and Pacifica and in 20 years they will make up 60% of NZ’s children”
It seems that the distilled values that served most of us well (otherwise known as Presbytarian values) only apply to the white population thanks to cultural relativism. To the more extreme Greens, we bought a cancer called capitalism when we dumped on Maori society. http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0702/S00068.htm
Also house prices have doubled since 2002. The Savings Working Group put the blame fairly and squarely on Government policies citing tax breaks for property investors and immigration. The Greens and Labour supported high immigration boots and all: “anti-immigration feeling has no place in the Green Party says Mr Locke”. The poor family (NZ tax payer) is expected to look after himself while adding rooms, showers, toilets, for new families moving from abroad.
PG? He does seem to be taking this whole banned thing rather badly. And I’d noticed that he seems to dislike you almost as much as he whines about me. Quite interesting obsessional pattern.
You notice that he never ever looks at his own behavior. Just doesn’t consider that other people have the right to judge him would be my guess. Or he is incapable of sufficient imagination to see himself as others see him.
And he continues with his obsessional pattern, lprent goes on to explain in great detail how he permanently banned me, the only thing he left out was how good a programmer he is.
But lprent saves his biggest irony when commenting on Whale Oil:
Cameron is rather known for considering that there would be two standards of justice and fairness. One for him and his mates, and the other for the plebs. For some reason he never seems to think anyone else has feeling apart from people like himself.
Bit of a primadonna aristocrat brat verging on sociopath in his thinking. Personally I lean to the latter interpretation.
Someone who sets The Standard in primadonnaism suggests someone else is guilty of “two standards of justice and fairness. One for him and his mates, and the other for the plebs”.
I’m not taking your hypocritical ban “rather badly”. I chuckle at you being “incapable of sufficient imagination to see himself as others see him”.
However, a police source said Wormald has argued the answer to his question has been taken out of context. He said he was asked about “physical surveillance” and was not referring to the snooping of emails and phonecalls which GCSB is understood to have carried out.
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Davison finally says: “So apart from the surveillance which [the police surveillance team] might have been going to undertake on your behalf was there any other surveillance being undertaken here in New Zealand to your knowledge?” Wormald replies: “No there wasn’t.”
Who needs enemies when your leftie friends say it all:
One thing you can say about Shearer’s interview on The Nation in the weekend, is that he is getting much better and manages only a few cringe worthy moments per interview.
I was left wondering ‘if only John Hartevelt was this brave when asking questions of Joyce’ during this weeks show, but the moment of joy has to go to Alex Tarrant who fed Shearer Cunliffe’s words and Shearer walked into it by denying those words. It’s worth watching the entire thing just to see the look on Tarrent’s face while Shearer’s answer goes deeper and deeper.
Hey I said Shearer’s performance had gotten better, but from the point he was starting, staying clothed during the interview is a win.
That’s Martin Bradbury at Tumeke. Repeated at The Standard where they are still bagging David Shearer big time.
I read a lot of blogs to get a view across the spectrum. I don’t very often go and see Bradbury’s rants, but a link led me there.
You can learn a lot from what the others are saying, and not saying, and who is saying what.
I also learnt (at The Standard) that David Cunliffe is giving another speech today. It will be interesting to compare reaction to that and to Shearer’s interview.
Pat Caddell from Accuracy in Media talking about the bias in reporting by the media, and in fact that the media have become “an enemy of the American people”
I think we’re at the most dangerous time in our political history in terms of the balance of power in the role that the media plays in whether or not we maintain a free democracy or not. You know, when I first started in politics – and for a long time before that – everyone on both sides, Democrats and Republicans, despised the press commonly, because they were SOBs to everybody. Which is exactly what they should be. They were unrelenting. Whatever the biases were, they were essentially equal-opportunity people. That changed in 1980. There’s a lot of reasons for it. It changed—an important point in the Dukakis-Bush election, when the press literally was trying to get Dukakis elected by ignoring what was happening in Massachusetts, with a candidate who was running on the platform of “He will do for America what he did for Massachusetts”—while they were on the verge of bankruptcy.
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But I want to talk about this Libyan thing, because we crossed some lines here. It’s not about politics. First of all we’ve had nine day of lies over what happened because they can’t dare say it’s a terrorist attack, and the press won’t push this. Yesterday there was not a single piece in The New York Times over the question of Libya. Twenty American embassies, yesterday, were under attack. None of that is on the national news. None of it is being pressed in the papers. If a President of either party—I don’t care whether it was Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton or George Bush or Ronald Reagan or George H. W. Bush—had a terrorist incident, and got on an airplane after saying something, and flown off to a fundraiser in Las Vegas, they would have been crucified! It would have been—it should have been the equivalent, for Barack Obama, of George Bush’s “flying over Katrina” moment. But nothing was said at all, and nothing will be said.
It is one thing to bias the news, or have a biased view. It is another thing to specifically decide that you will not tell the American people information they have a right to know, and I choose right now, openly, and this is—if I had more time I’d do all the names for it—but The New York Times, The Washington Post, or the most important papers that influence the networks, ABC, NBC, and, to a lesser extent—because CBS has actually been on this story, partly because the President of Libya appeared on [Bob Schieffer’s Face the Nation] and said, on Sunday, while [U.S. Ambassador to the U.N.] Susan Rice was out—the U.N. Ambassador has no portfolio on this matter—lying, said of the Secretary—you know why, notice the Secretary of State wasn’t out there doing this—was on national television, lying and promoting the White House line while the Libyan President, the very same moment, is saying “This is a premeditated attack.” Nobody has asked that question. This morning—take a look at The New York Times this morning, it’s a minor reference. Oh, now we’ve decided that it was a terrorist incident. But this is—that would have changed, that should change the politics.
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The press’s job is to stand in the ramparts and protect the liberty and freedom of all of us from a government and from organized governmental power. When they desert those ramparts and decide that they will now become active participants, that their job is not simply to tell you who you may vote for, and who you may not, but, worse—and this is the danger of the last two weeks—what truth that you may know, as an American, and what truth you are not allowed to know, they have, then, made themselves a fundamental threat to the democracy, and, in my opinion, made themselves the enemy of the American people. And it is a threat to the very future of this country if that—we allow this stuff to go on.
‘Banks, Key, now Wormald?
Will you tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the technical truth … if that’
Surely all surveillance is physical. Listening, reading or watching are all physical acts. So we see Wormald is a law unto himself and get to understand why so much illegal activity has occurred under his watch. He immediately gains support from the Commissioner so we get to see the larger picture of who was involved and who has no objections to the truth not being told. It isn’t up to police to offer new meanings in explanation to accusations for not telling the truth – they should be completely unequivocal in ensuring they do their job, telling the truth and reporting the facts. If I hadn’t thought there needed to be an inquiry I do now and Marshall should be among the first to be inquired into. I think we are beginning to see why there are such a number of cases under review or sought to be reviewed. The police condone a selective information policy when giving evidence, one that suits their case but not necessarily Justice.
Why, then, is it necessary to conduct a review of New Zealand’s constitutional arrangements currently being undertaken by a panel of political appointees, operating away from public scrutiny, answerable only to the “responsible ministers” (Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Maori Affairs) and involving a cross-party reference group of other political parties (except NZ First)? http://johnansell.wordpress.com/2012/09/29/hobbling-new-zealand-the-agenda-of-the-constitutional-advisory-panel/
same as the much heralded NZ productivity Commission whose terms excluded immigration.
@ davinci – a true supporter sticks by his team through thick and thin. I’ve been following the NZ cricket team for over 50 years, and always will; cricket is my first sporting love. Perhaps though, being born in the year that we were rolled for 26 by England condemned me from birth!
However, a police source said Wormald has argued the answer to his question has been taken out of context. He said he was asked about “physical surveillance” and was not referring to the snooping of emails and phonecalls which GCSB is understood to have carried out.
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Davison finally says: “So apart from the surveillance which [the police surveillance team] might have been going to undertake on your behalf was there any other surveillance being undertaken here in New Zealand to your knowledge?” Wormald replies: “No there wasn’t.”
Banks, Key, now Wormald?
Will you tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the technical truth … if that
Well ask keepingstock. He considers this sort of thing to be ok when its not.
Sofia, I posted on this yesterday and was met with a deafening silence from the police are always good brigade.
They, (the Police), are servants of the taxpayer and as such should be as straight up as they can be. Its is not their job to make the truth as they see it but to present all the facts as they have determined them to be. Unfortunatley because we have prosecutors paid by the police they will naturally take the police line without question. Its about who pays the piper). (watch for all the indignation from the lawyers that will now come, but its true. you cannot escape influence.).
Its the job of the police to give clear answers that tell the truth and truth is on the eye of the beholder, which is why we should have an unfettered right to examine and question these people,(as they do any of us.). Unfortunately it’s the old story. If you sleep with a dog you will catch its flea’s. In other words “if you spend all day of your life with lowlife then many will adopt the same standards.
If you doubt how strong that relationship can be consider when you travel to another country how quickly you pickup their speech mannerisms and toungue. It absolutely happens. (Classic example was Bolger when he went to live overseas.)
That the top brass have now condonned not telling the truth should make everyone of us question the Leadership that emminates from that position. We expect it to happen from politicains, we expect it from low lives but we should not expect it from the Citizens Bastion that is charged with upholding the Law. (As far a I know there is no Law allowing them to lie.)
This position of course is not new but has never really been official policy which it now appears to be.
For a number of years I have argued that Prosectors should be independent of the police. Not paid from any police source and the Prosecutors should be required to ensure that all the facts are there before any prosecution is p[orceeded with. It happens in other area’s and would be good for the NZ police.
Power when Justice Minister was interested but of course was overruled by the Lawyers and the Police.
Nowe unfortunatley we have a bunch of lawyers and an ex police prosecutor in abinet with all the grunt that brings so the Citizens of NZ will never acheivea Justice system independent of the investigators of the Justice.
Keeping Stock (8,145) Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 11:10 am
@ davinci – a true supporter sticks by his team through thick and thin. I’ve been following the NZ cricket team for over 50 years, and always will; cricket is my first sporting love. Perhaps though, being born in the year that we were rolled for 26 by England condemned me from birth!
I guess that explains for us all why your beloved National Party can do no wrong.
Someone once made the point that we can change our mind when new evidence presents itself.
Of course the mind needs to be open to that.
Media Watch Dog is a good read if you’re interested in observing the destructive antics of the left in Australia. It is written by a dog called Nancy who is owned by Conservative commentator Gerard Henderson.
This week Nancy is laughing at the left’s ‘festival of Dangerous Ideas” at the Sydney opera house.
They’re going to be talking about such tedious and mainstream left wing crap as “Engineer Humans to Stop Climate Change and A Foetus is Not A Person”.
I much prefer Nancy’s list of “dangerous ideas”. However, I know well that this collection of pretentious and posturing hypocrites and liars would scatter like rabbits from a dingo rather than discuss the following propositions-
▪ Abortion Is Murder
▪ If We All Become Gay, Western Civilisation Will End
▪ George W. Bush is America’s Greatest President and Tony Blair is Britain’s Greatest Prime Minister
▪ If The Arab States Were As Good as Israel, The Middle East Would Be A Better Place
▪ Julian Assange Should Stand Trial For Treason In the United States
▪ Germaine Greer Has Become A Dreadfully Boring Media Tart
▪ Only Re-Colonisation Can Solve Africa’s Problems
▪ Private Schools Are Best
▪ Human Induced Climate Change Is A Load Of Crap
▪ Greed Is Good
▪ Vietnam Was a Just War
Media Watch Dog. Read Nancy every Friday for a good laugh at the idiotic Australian left.
I know that it gets tiresome banging the drum about the godawful bias of the MSM, but I think the pressure has to be maintained 24/7 if we’re ever to get decent coverage.
So to that end, here’s another side-by-side comparison of the different treatment meted out to “left-wing” and “right-wing” stories. In this case it’s the documentary movie 2016: Obama’s America, whose media treatment is compared to Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth in the linked article. The comparison is topical because – although one would probably never know this from reading and watching the MSM in the US (let alone here in NZ) – the Obama documentary just went past Gore’s in annual takings to be second on the list behind Michael Moore’s 9/11 “documentary”. The Obama movie has made $32 million since it’s release in mid-July, not much by fiction-movie standards but a big deal in the documentary world.
Personally I’ve not had much time for the author, Dinesh D’Souza, since his call several years ago for Western conservatives to team up with Muslim conservatives. Fuck. Off.
But this movie consists less of opinion than a simple tracking of Obama’s connections on the basis of what he himself has written and spoken (Obama’s own words seem to take up about half the movie), so it’s not a “hit job” in the sense that Moore’s was.
In any case, this article runs some comparisons about what the media said of Gore’s effort and what they now say about D’Souza’s:
When it hit theaters in May of 2006, Time magazine wrote “The movie got raves at the Sundance Film Festival….In Los Angeles theaters, the trailers have been getting ovations.” On NBC, Katie Couric sat down in the outdoors with Gore and told him that in the movie, “you’re funny, vulnerable, disarming, self-effacing.” On CBS, anchor Harry Smith gushed, “The box office receipts would indicate that it’s an action movie — you did better per screening than almost anything that’s come out this week.”
I certainly remember the fuss. But as Bozell points out:
And yet, D’Souza’s film was the Little Engine That Could – the film that could surpass Gore at the box office. He didn’t need MSNBC to put him on, although in August, he slammed them as cowardly: “You could watch that channel and not even know we have a film out – unless you saw a commercial that we’re running for our film.
Which you would think would be a story in itself. Some media attention had to be given when the movie got into the top-ten documentary list, but you can guess the MSM attitude and Bozell points out the bleeding obvious about each criticism:
A Washington Post critic scoffed on August 24: “It is doomed to win precious few converts. It’s a textbook example of preaching to the choir. It has the air of a ‘Nightmare on Elm Street’ sequel, pandering to the franchise’s hard-core fans, while boring everyone else.”
And “An Inconvenient Truth” was different?
Heh. Bozell finishes on a similar note:
D’Souza’s movie was comparable to an over-the-top horror movie. Al Gore has proven we’re all about to bake and/or drown, and all that can be said about that spooky spectacle is it is “surprisingly absorbing.” Their arrogance knows no bounds.
Hulun’s administration as we all know was closely modelled on Blair’s “Third Way” and she was very close to him. I rather think she got a lot more than just policy advice from him. Their personalities seem to have a lot of commonalities.
The MSM are largely left-wing influenced in NZ because of the number of left-wingers here.
I went up north recently for my mother’s birthday and I was discussing the media with my elderly aunt. When she said that she listened to Radio NZ in preference to most other stations I agreed and said the same, except I mentioned that I was frustrated with the left wing bias in their news editing. She reacted with surprise and said she couldn’t stand the RIGHT-wing bias on RadioNZ! I’m still staggered by that.
Yes RB, I often get that feeling when I see some of the topics that draw the most comments. But I don’t see what else can be done than to keep drawing attention to the things that matter, even if they don’t become threads in themselves. Even then it’s still better than the mind-numbing effort involved in watching TV network news or shows like Campbell Braindead.
Never give up chaps. Some us chatty types derive great insight from the more erudite comments of you really deep-thinkers, even if you think we are ignoring you.
It’s just that we don’t have the intellectual fit-out to engage you on a one-to-one basis!
“said she couldn’t stand the RIGHT-wing bias on RadioNZ! I’m still staggered by that.”
Its a view that is widely held here. The commies at RNZ react so much more violently to allegations of right wing bias than they do to those of left wing bias.
I once wrote a blog post that the left wing media wrongly construed as being criticism of them as being right wing, and they just came out of the woodwork like a swarm of white ants to defend against that misunderstanding. Amazing it was.
“I don’t see what else can be done than to keep drawing attention to the things that matter”
Tom, you’re a gem mate. One of the few good reasons to read Kiwiblog since its been taken over by the Progressives.
I second to that RB. I enjoy reading Tom’s posts here on Kiwiblog. Tom for president of the US. I learnt lots of things from Tom’s posts, that I couldn’t have stumbled or come across on my own. Tom is erudite as Peter Creswell from Not PC blog (and so as you Redbaiter even though you don’t like Peter Creswell). I had a chat with Peter Creswell in recent weeks and we talked about you Redbaiter and he said, that he basically agrees with you, but his differences with you is that you have accused him and the Libertarianz of being fixated with homo-sexuals, which is not true.
Anyway, you, Tom, Creswell are the only ones in blogosphere who keep bringing up issues that matters. You have all been in full swing (Tom on Kiwiblog, Peter at Not PC and you at Trueblue) on bringing the attention to the disasters of the Keynesian economic framework that’s widely adopted around the world. Look no further than Europe and look what’s happening to the National Party’s borrowing. It is hardly brought up in discussions here. Not PC is not an economics’ blog, but Matt Nolan of Invisible Hands regards, Not PC blog as not a political blog but an economic blog as well. That’s true, one can just read Not PC’s regular posts, which he constantly brings to the attention of his readers of the danger that’s facing the West if they don’t abandon Keynesians intervention in the economy.
I think it’s also important to not allow the left-wing to get away with the increasingly common claim that, while they have little time for the MSM, you can get good stuff from the likes of The Nation or Mother Jones, not to mention the perennial faves from the UK such as The Guardian.
But those outfits can be just as much a bunch of hacks when occasion requires. Witness this recent story in Mother Jones about Mia Love, a GOP candidate from Utah who looks like she’s going to win a Congressional seat. She apparently spoke at the recent GOP gabfest and was quite a hit with what she had to say.
But Mother Jones was not interested in almost anything she had to say except for her stance on immigration, despite the fact that immigration has not been a major part of her campaign and has apparently spoken about it only in one meeting (her focus appears to be relentless on fiscal matters). Nevertheless MJ went after the story with passion:
It’s an uplifting story, but there’s one problem with this account. According to immigration lawyers and US immigration officials, there doesn’t appear to have been a law of the kind described in the article that would have conferred citizenship on Love’s parents, let alone her siblings, by simply having a baby in the United States.
Though American immigration law did change in 1976, it merely limited the number of immigrants from the Western Hemisphere who could obtain permanent visas. According to the US Citizenship and Immigration Services, the law since at least 1924 has barred minor children from petitioning for permanent residence status on their parents’ behalf. Love’s birth in the US couldn’t have helped to reunite her family in America, say immigration lawyers contacted by Mother Jones. And, they add, if the Bourdeaus were in the US legally on a permanent visa, they would have been able to bring the kids, according to the law at the time.
Detailed is it not? In-depth? They even dug up a very old interview with Love to try and prove that her account is false. And in the usual way of things, ABC4 news in Utah used this story as the basis for a good ‘gotcha’ question. Unfortunately for MJ, Forbes found that Love was correct about the law in question, and they also talked to immigration lawyers who confirmed how it would have been done.
Here’s the thing though: would MJ spend such time and attention on such a non-story for a Democratic candidate? And if they’re going to go for the angle of hypocrisy, what does it say about them that they’re suddenly very, very concerned about illegal immigration? As one blogger put it:
What a partisan hack job.
And that’s a “quality” left-wing, non-MSM, media site.
Oh – I forgot to add that Mia Love is black – blacker than Obambi. So were I a leftie, it would be tempting to scream “racists” at Mother Jones – but I realise it’s just that Mia, like Allen West, has to be taken down to reinforce their narrative of the GOP as a bunch of old, white men – one of the narratives vital to keeping the left in power.
I’m sure the phrase “House Negro” will soon make its appearance if she gains prominence.
“Thanks FF and RB, I just hope you two will keep those thoughts in mind when we inevitably butt heads over some issue or other.”
I know without the slightest doubt if that ever occurs it will be the most civil disagreement ever witnessed on Kiwiblog
My view on the MSM Tom is that they are a deliberately engineered political force designed to affect political change by way of the Progressive political movement. Newsmakers have long left the industry and it is entirely controlled by political activists.
For this reason, appealing to them for objectivity is completely fruitless. They know well what they are and they know well their mission, and they will not be distracted or delayed by the weak and impotent wails of Conservatives.
Therefore they are the enemy.
That leaves only one strategy and that is to awaken others to what an evil force they are.
Thank you for your kind words. I too agree with PC on many things but I cannot agree with the unproductive political strategies that the Libertarianz persist with or their fixation with Objectivism.
Agree or disagree I enjoy your comments (on every subject).
Bloody good game of rugby out of Argentina just now; the All Blacks have been threatening to string together a performance like that, and when the passes stick, it is sublime to watch.
And what a sociable hour to be watching a rugby test match
I had a laugh at many of the former ACT members who think that a true libertarian type party will achieve a 4 or 5% threshold.
Libertarianz has never got more than 2000 votes think. ACT never used to be libertarian as some claim. 4 or 9 MPs voted against the civil Union Bill. Muriel was one of them. Perhaps that is why Heather Roy was allowed to parachute ahead of her. That was the biggest mistake ACT made.
Which, I’m afraid, epitomises ACT’s problem. It should have been a strictly classical liberal political party, but was swamped by populists, opportunists and the raving right of the political spectrum (the counterparts of the loony left, but oriented toward social conservative ideological purity*, no matter what the electoral cost). Take two populist and opportunist leaders, add John Banks, pop in a donor contribution scandal, and watch the resulting toxic mixture.
Realistically, I think the only way out is for Catherine Isaacs to take over the seat and for Banks to serve a single term of office.
*Sectarians and mainstream political parties do not electoral viability make, regardless of one’s political leanings. Witness the Tories and their byzantine Eurosceptic squabbles during the Nineties and the Noughties, or the horror story that is the Australian Labor Party (see? They can’t even spell Labour properly!)
“True Chuck. I was an ACT man once. No bastard could ever class me as a libertarian! ”
Thanks John you proved my point.
Back in the early 2000′s when Muriel and Stephen Franks were MPs there were both libertarians, conservatives MPs and members and also some in between. Now what is left of it is mainly libertarians. Many of whom helped destroy the party.
I’ve been liking the style of young David Garret I might add. Got a bit of form. Fronts up here regularly. Given a good track and a touch of the shamrock could be an outside chance. Pick him in a treble with Muriel and Stephen!
As for those calling for Catherine Isaacs to take over – apparently she championed the promotion of the younger libertarians last year.”
I am not sure what you mean about John. He is a honest man and a gentlemen and as far as I can tell he is conservative on many matters. If he was in Parliament I can not image he would support the drug laws the younger libertarians would like.
In regards Cathrine I can quite beleive what you say. I also think her and Rodney had a part in Roy parachuting over Muriel. Another costly mistake for Rodney and ACT members especially those who supported Muriel.
That is all history like ACT due to the lunatic fringe of libertarians in ACT who convinced Don to talk about dope. People should stick to what they know something about and Don has admitted he does not aside from other perople. I have both smoked dope in the past but also see the harm it can do especially in the stronger type that is not sold.
My point was that Boscawen is still there and not like Isaacs. He would seem to be more the traditional ACT candidate to me. (as opposed to the candidate the classical liberal or libertarian cabal would like the ideal to be.)
Chuck you live on a funny planet banks is a conservative Christian. notice the support for act since he was put forward total collapse .
One of acts principles is encourage individual choice and responsibility .That is not your conservative idea.
Their standpoint has always been socially liberal as well as neoliberal economically. Infarct since the early days they have had a policy of legalising pot.
I didn’t realise we had cars in NZ capable of driving without a human driver. I take it it was a Plymouth Fury given it was then able to kill the driver…
Aren’t the Black Caps supposed to be 20/20 ‘Hit and Giggle’ specialists?
Isn’t that how they justify being so highly paid yet one of the worst teams in the history of Test cricket?
Johnboy (8,862) Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Oordle ardle wardle doodle….roll up, roll up…strong dope now sold here!!
Well I remember James K. Lived around the block from me. Dirty scruffy prick. Started out as a school teacher.
Went to Jeruselam and got into the pot with the Nuns that used to live there. They knew how to grow the stuff.
4:15PM Sunday Sep 30, 2012
2,667 online now
Alan Jones: ‘The old man died of shame’
Shock jock Alan Jones has sparked outrage with his comments about Prime Minister Julia Gillard’s recently deceased father, John.
Every time you think 2GB broadcaster Alan Jones has gone as low as he can go, he sets a new benchmark ever deeper in his now obviously bottomless barrel.
Not enough that he has already talked of putting the Prime Minister “into a chaff bag and hoisting her into the Tasman Sea,” or that he has said that the country needs to “bring back the guillotine,” to deal with her, and that across the country “women are wrecking the joint”. Now, before an audience of Sydney University Young Liberals last weekend at the Watermark Restaurant at Balmoral he has referred to the grieving PM’s late father, John Gillard – a man who was obviously very close to, and extremely proud, of his daughter – and said that he, “died a few weeks ago of shame”.
The unspeakably vicious nastiness of it, the sheer bully-boy misogyny of saying such a thing, simply takes the breath away, even for those of us who spent fair chunks of time around the unvarnished Jones.
AS AMERICA’S annual celebration of the right to read prepares to kick off today, E.L. James’s erotic sensation Fifty Shades of Grey joins a list of classics including Catcher in the Rye and Fahrenheit 451 that have been challenged in libraries and schools.
Banned Books Week, which marks its 30th anniversary this year, will be marked with displays of censored literature in thousands of libraries and bookshops across the US.
Cunliffe’s speech today had a typically smart analogy:
If you want a garden to grow, then you have to dig the soil and plant the seeds. You have to feed and nurture the plants and you have deal to the weeds when they grow up amongst the crop.
This translates to government taking a more active role in managing the economy, as governments do in Scandinavian countries.
In contrast, National’s hands-off approach towards the economy involves sitting on the fence and letting the weeds grow up. This means disaster for the nation long term.
But is Cunliffe being too smart?
But the weather can’t be controlled – what Cunliffe seems to be suggesting is trying to control a world wide economic storm by fiddling with more things locally. Farmers know to avoid pissing into the wind.
The problem was this: M5, who was working for SCIA and the Crime Commission, had privately admitted to his superiors that in order to obtain search warrants he had told lies in court.
The state government has so far rejected calls for an independent judicial inquiry, saying the matters are under investigation by the Inspector of the Police Integrity Commission, the former Supreme Court judge David Levine.
Just reminiscing, at Cashmere there was a prick of a prefect called Gary Gotlieb
who went on to rise to his level of incompetance at the Auckland Disrict Law Soc.
That prick caught us playing twoup for pennies on Anzac Day and reported it to the headmaster.
i got 6 from T H McCombs for that.
i hope that piece of shit Gotlieb can live with himself.
So the yanks are still banning stuff. They are not the country of the Free are they?
According to a comment made by a female reader on the Ulsterman blog who works with troubled and abused children, 50 Shades Of Grey may actually be a thinly veiled story of paedophilia where the older man is a Jerry Sandusky type of abuser.
Although in the book, the woman’s age is given as 21, the readers contend that this is a thin cover and the signs point to a much younger aged protagonist.
Now I know after saying that, many female fans of 50 Shades, many of them mothers, will naturally put up a defense against that kind of description. These women, being mothers, are naturally wired to protect kids. People like Jerry Sandusky are viewed with hatred, revulsion, and disgust. Rightfully so. What mother would want to condone anything having to do with the sexual abuse of children? Of innocents?
[...]
My professional experience centers around nearly 20 years with Child Protective Services. Over that time, I’ve seen situations that do, literally, keep me up at night. The amount of abuse that is going on in our society, that sexualization of our kids…well basically, what you hear about, what is reported in the news, that is only a small sample of just how large of a problem and the disgusting acts that are going on every day. Kids are being raped. Kids are being abused. Every single day. Over and over and over again.
I didn’t seek out 50 Shades of Grey. It was brought to my attention by a longtime friend who is also a clinical psychologist at a university. She’s a bit older than me. She grew up in the counter culture era and did her fair share of experimentation of all kinds. So she’s hardly a prude. What she today though is a mother and grandmother. And she’s smart. One of the things that fascinates her is this age of cultural phenomena. How due to technology things now spread so quickly throughout society and become the next big thing at an increasingly rapid pace. She says sometimes this phenomena is pretty much harmless, and other times it can be very damaging to kids and or adults who begin to emulate something out of a need to belong to the “next big thing”.
Her reaction to 50 Shades of Grey though was much more aggressively negative than anything I could recall her talking about before. It came up because I mentioned it to her offhand. I had seen a couple mentions of it on the news and knowing her interest in cultural trends, asked her about it. She stopped talking, looked right at me, and said the book was about pedophilia. And it was her who then connected it to the Sandusky tragedy where so many young boys had been sexually abused. Sandusky committed his acts of crime under the cover of actually helping youth. That is how he gained access. My friend said 50 Shades was basically the same exact thing. Its cover was a story of a young woman engaging is a very graphic sexual relationship with a somewhat older man.
[...]
We are reading child pornography. Remove the false age of the girl, which has no basis in reality, and what we are actually reading is the abuse of a little girl.
The main character is described in pigtails, given words like “Holy Cow” “down there”, “jeez” “double crap” she can’t operate a computer (but is supposedly a college graduate), describes skipping and doing cartwheels, repeatedly says she is made to feel like a child, has her imaginary friend (inner goddess) feels shame, is spanked and slathered in BABY OIL, told what to say, what to eat, what to do, until finally and sadly so predictably, is physically beaten. (But she returns to him soon after, which is again, a very common theme of abuse, including pedophilia)
And beyond all of this evidence there is the fact that the male character is himself a product of sexual abuse at the hands of a pedophile. The girl whose thoughts we listen in on as she is being abused, recognizes this aspect of the male abuser, but apparently, is too naïve or unwilling to realize she has continued this cycle of abuse herself. (Which again reinforces the idea that she is actually herself just a child) There is no way the author did this by accident. She puts out the theme of pedophilia openly, therefore hiding it in plain sight.
I’m all for free speech as well, and I’m not sure about a ban, but I think people should know what the book might really be about.
Read the bible fletch its got sex sodomy smiting and infanticide
If any book should be banned the bible should be
Griff, it’s history though.
I’m sure other historical accounts (of Rome etc) have similar stories of sex, slaughter, abuse, torture of Christians, etc.
Should they be banned as well?
If I never walk into another KFC I’ll still die a happy man. They’re places you find unhealthy crap, not to mention that everything’s fat, cheap & greasy.
That’s just the customers…..the food’s bloody awful too.
Heure d’été toujours causes bouleverse la ferme Yvette. A mans fantaisie tour à tour aux rêves d’amour non partagé avec la Mademoiselle de ses rêves et ses tâches domestiques restent annulées pendant qu’il attend son retour.
Nasska,
It would be about 40 – 41 years ago. I queued for 40 minutes to get a feed of Kentucky Fried Chicken from their Royal Oak outlet (the first in N.Z.). I loved it.
Then they changed the name to KFC and it has been excrement ever since. Well, it was eight months ago when I last tried it at Huntly.
Wattie foods were involved with KFC when they first opened in the early seventies. I recall the wonderful comment of the rotund Sir James Wattie, made at their opening when he said;
“There is nothing so pathetic as a thin man selling food.”
I had been introduced to Sir James when he visited our home in the mid sixties. I am from a big family. Sir James wanted to swap his Bentley for a Messmate colt, who was later named Marine. At that stage Dad had more mortgages than he had children; I want the cash he replied. Anyway, the Bentley wouldn’t fit in the garage.
I remember getting a burger from Macca’s in Porirua about 197….?
Tasted like shit compared to the local burgers.
Nothings changed.. still taste like shit!
Wait till Michael gets his Carl’s Jr chain pumping grease down here. The ethnics will flock to it, specially if he hands out miniature greasy rugby balls.
Strangely enough I met the same bloke when I was a young bugger. I would have been about seven & we were on holiday in Gisborne. My old man & he had been in the army together. Right at the peak of the season for the cannery then but he dropped everything & gave us a tour of the factory.
It was a long time ago but I still remember him as a really decent joker.
I often wonder how come the Islamaphobes still appear sentient it’s so obvious they’ve lost whatever it is they ever had. My theory is it’s all that clever puppetry from the western MSM which keeps them going, in the same way zombies are by those pins and dolls.
Penny Bright – she who has STOLEN water, encouraged others to STEAL water, STOLEN electricity (as part of the Occupy movement), VANDALISED AND DEFACED the billboards of her opponents while standing for public office – wanting others to be held accountable to the rule of law.
And she makes statements like this while keeping a straight face!
SCUM
Vandalism to boats follows threats http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7750191/Vandalism-to-boats-follows-threats
The vandalism is the latest in a series of incidents around the lake, stemming from about 2008, when squatters occupied the neighbouring Horowhenua Sailing Club as part of a dispute over lake ownership.
Mrs Mason said the rowing club had been harassed by “Maori activists trying to evict us” for years but she thought they had become more aggressive in the past few weeks.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:12 am
Any updates about John Key and his government this week, or has it been a bit of a ‘slow news week’?
Thank goodness for Unions, Teachers, Gay Marriage and The Labour Party otherwise we’d have absololutely nothing noteworthy to discuss.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 8:13 am
Sorry, I meant: ‘absolololutely’ ….
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 8:13 am
So; who didn’t set their clocks forward then?
And who’s regretting staying up last night watching cricket, knowing that an hour’s less sleep was in the offing? But what about those dead ball calls? For once, the Black Caps would be justified in crying “We wuz robbed!”…
http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/09/the-daylight-saving-blues.html
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 8:15 am
What is the value of a degree, especially when pretty much anyone can work towards one, and on subjects that have no market demand?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10837419
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 8:15 am
First day of daylight savings – really misty in Mangamahu.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 8:22 am
KS, lost some sleep for the daylight saving switch, lost some sleep for a bunche of losers in the cricket. We fielded well enough, the dead balls are a frace, but we didn’t bat or bowl well enough.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Liz wrote to Campbell Live after seeing our stories on child poverty.
“A hungry child doesn’t care whose fault it is they just want someone to help,” she wrote.
For all those people who have written to blame the parents, here is an example of a parent worth listening to, because she has lived through true poverty as a child – no school bag, no shoes, no lunch or even dinner – and yet somehow Liz has broken the cycle.
She didn’t do it alone. There were influences in Liz’s life that made a difference, influences that helped her break the cycle of poverty.
Watch the video to see her story.
.
rhiannon hart wrote:
This is my sister in this video and as much as I agree that poverty is bad in NZ liz told a lot of lies…… We always had shoes and my mum never put a bill befor feeding us and we always had lunch and dinner. Yes we were in the breakfast program for a time and it was a hard time for us. But my sister has lied and over dramatised a situation to get attention
http://www.3news.co.nz/Breaking-the-cycle-of-poverty/tabid/817/articleID/270750/Default.aspx#ixzz27t8yveRz
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 8:25 am
Talking about floundering, despite the sleep deprivation I got up in time to watch The Nation. More uncertain floundering waffle from David Shearer.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 8:27 am
It’s the bowlers fault that he hits the stumps, so why punish the fielding side. If he can’t deliver a ball from within the confined area then it should be a no-one followed by a free-hit. I expect he will continue to do it knowing that there will be no real disadvantage. The commentators had another good idea — 3 strikes and you are out of the attack.
I wonder how Robbie is feeling — 31-8 is not a good look. He does seem to have bad luck with injuries, though and he can’t be blamed for slipper’s idiocy
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 8:36 am
Ross Taylor’s suggestion was even better; apply the advantage law. If the batsmen scores from the ball, he obviously wasn’t distracted; if he gets out, then it becomes a dead ball. But between that and the two crap wide calls from Simon Taufel, New Zealand was disadvantaged by nine runs, and three extra deliveries. In a low scoring match, that was significant.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 8:38 am
KS
I would still add a free hit either way because of the risk of distraction.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 8:45 am
Not So Great Expectations
” Following an item on TV3’s Campbell Live showing the full lunch-boxes of Year 6 pupils at a Decile Ten primary school and the almost total absence of lunch-boxes (and lunches!) among children of the same age at a Decile One school, the letters columns of the daily press were filled with parental indignation.
This wasn’t evidence of child poverty, the letter-writers railed, this was evidence of parental failure and neglect.
The people who take this position aren’t heartless and judgemental right-wingers (as some of my hard-line left-wing brethren have been quick to brand them) they are simply working from a different set of expectations.”
http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.co.nz/2012/09/not-so-great-expectations.html
Why can’t people on the left relate family size to poverty in so far as:
Vote:Expert Anton Blank:. ..”More than half of the 230,000 N.Z children living below the poverty line are Maori and Pacifica and in 20 years they will make up 60% of NZ’s children”
It seems that the distilled values that served most of us well (otherwise known as Presbytarian values) only apply to the white population thanks to cultural relativism. To the more extreme Greens, we bought a cancer called capitalism when we dumped on Maori society.
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0702/S00068.htm
Also house prices have doubled since 2002. The Savings Working Group put the blame fairly and squarely on Government policies citing tax breaks for property investors and immigration. The Greens and Labour supported high immigration boots and all: “anti-immigration feeling has no place in the Green Party says Mr Locke”. The poor family (NZ tax payer) is expected to look after himself while adding rooms, showers, toilets, for new families moving from abroad.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:47 am
Arrogant to the very end: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2210164/Hubris-man-thinks-judged-God.html
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 8:54 am
A blog commenter who is about as oblivious as Redbaiter to the ironies and blatant hypocrisy in what he says:
And he continues with his obsessional pattern, lprent goes on to explain in great detail how he permanently banned me, the only thing he left out was how good a programmer he is.
But lprent saves his biggest irony when commenting on Whale Oil:
Someone who sets The Standard in primadonnaism suggests someone else is guilty of “two standards of justice and fairness. One for him and his mates, and the other for the plebs”.
I’m not taking your hypocritical ban “rather badly”. I chuckle at you being “incapable of sufficient imagination to see himself as others see him”.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 8:54 am
Lee c ,you left out the Maori elite claiming to own everything. Karl du Fresne on same.
http://karldufresne.blogspot.co.nz/2012/09/sabotage-is-not-too-strong-word.html
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 8:59 am
Kim Dotcomedy –
However, a police source said Wormald has argued the answer to his question has been taken out of context. He said he was asked about “physical surveillance” and was not referring to the snooping of emails and phonecalls which GCSB is understood to have carried out.
…
Davison finally says: “So apart from the surveillance which [the police surveillance team] might have been going to undertake on your behalf was there any other surveillance being undertaken here in New Zealand to your knowledge?” Wormald replies: “No there wasn’t.”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7748117/Police-stand-firm-behind-besieged-senior-officer
Banks, Key, now Wormald?
Vote:Will you tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the technical truth … if that
September 30th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Who needs enemies when your leftie friends say it all:
That’s Martin Bradbury at Tumeke. Repeated at The Standard where they are still bagging David Shearer big time.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 9:19 am
You READ Bradbury? why?
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 9:23 am
I read a lot of blogs to get a view across the spectrum. I don’t very often go and see Bradbury’s rants, but a link led me there.
You can learn a lot from what the others are saying, and not saying, and who is saying what.
I also learnt (at The Standard) that David Cunliffe is giving another speech today. It will be interesting to compare reaction to that and to Shearer’s interview.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 9:28 am
MUST WATCH
Pat Caddell from Accuracy in Media talking about the bias in reporting by the media, and in fact that the media have become “an enemy of the American people”
Watch the whole thing…
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Money is Good? Money is Bad?
The answer, apparently, is neither:
Vote:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:44 am
Sofia
‘Banks, Key, now Wormald?
Will you tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the technical truth … if that’
Surely all surveillance is physical. Listening, reading or watching are all physical acts. So we see Wormald is a law unto himself and get to understand why so much illegal activity has occurred under his watch. He immediately gains support from the Commissioner so we get to see the larger picture of who was involved and who has no objections to the truth not being told. It isn’t up to police to offer new meanings in explanation to accusations for not telling the truth – they should be completely unequivocal in ensuring they do their job, telling the truth and reporting the facts. If I hadn’t thought there needed to be an inquiry I do now and Marshall should be among the first to be inquired into. I think we are beginning to see why there are such a number of cases under review or sought to be reviewed. The police condone a selective information policy when giving evidence, one that suits their case but not necessarily Justice.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Why, then, is it necessary to conduct a review of New Zealand’s constitutional arrangements currently being undertaken by a panel of political appointees, operating away from public scrutiny, answerable only to the “responsible ministers” (Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Maori Affairs) and involving a cross-party reference group of other political parties (except NZ First)?
http://johnansell.wordpress.com/2012/09/29/hobbling-new-zealand-the-agenda-of-the-constitutional-advisory-panel/
same as the much heralded NZ productivity Commission whose terms excluded immigration.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 10:36 am
KS/Nookin/PG
I admire your fortitude and perseverence.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 10:49 am
It’s always good for a laugh tdm. I’ve done a wee bit more prodding and the all knowing lprent has reacted:
Stirring, what’s that?
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 11:02 am
“The Savings Working Group put the blame fairly and squarely on Government policies citing tax breaks for property investors and immigration. ”
This is the hj drinking game: you have to down a shot every time he brings immigration into an argument.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Foreign Affairs Minister Murray McCully says the United Nations risks losing its credibility because of its inability to act over Syria.
Didn’t that happen when they gave Auntie Helen a job?
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 11:10 am
@ davinci – a true supporter sticks by his team through thick and thin. I’ve been following the NZ cricket team for over 50 years, and always will; cricket is my first sporting love. Perhaps though, being born in the year that we were rolled for 26 by England condemned me from birth!
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Sofia (412) Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 8:59 am
Kim Dotcomedy –
However, a police source said Wormald has argued the answer to his question has been taken out of context. He said he was asked about “physical surveillance” and was not referring to the snooping of emails and phonecalls which GCSB is understood to have carried out.
…
Davison finally says: “So apart from the surveillance which [the police surveillance team] might have been going to undertake on your behalf was there any other surveillance being undertaken here in New Zealand to your knowledge?” Wormald replies: “No there wasn’t.”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7748117/Police-stand-firm-behind-besieged-senior-officer
Banks, Key, now Wormald?
Will you tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the technical truth … if that
Well ask keepingstock. He considers this sort of thing to be ok when its not.
Sofia, I posted on this yesterday and was met with a deafening silence from the police are always good brigade.
They, (the Police), are servants of the taxpayer and as such should be as straight up as they can be. Its is not their job to make the truth as they see it but to present all the facts as they have determined them to be. Unfortunatley because we have prosecutors paid by the police they will naturally take the police line without question. Its about who pays the piper). (watch for all the indignation from the lawyers that will now come, but its true. you cannot escape influence.).
Its the job of the police to give clear answers that tell the truth and truth is on the eye of the beholder, which is why we should have an unfettered right to examine and question these people,(as they do any of us.). Unfortunately it’s the old story. If you sleep with a dog you will catch its flea’s. In other words “if you spend all day of your life with lowlife then many will adopt the same standards.
If you doubt how strong that relationship can be consider when you travel to another country how quickly you pickup their speech mannerisms and toungue. It absolutely happens. (Classic example was Bolger when he went to live overseas.)
That the top brass have now condonned not telling the truth should make everyone of us question the Leadership that emminates from that position. We expect it to happen from politicains, we expect it from low lives but we should not expect it from the Citizens Bastion that is charged with upholding the Law. (As far a I know there is no Law allowing them to lie.)
This position of course is not new but has never really been official policy which it now appears to be.
For a number of years I have argued that Prosectors should be independent of the police. Not paid from any police source and the Prosecutors should be required to ensure that all the facts are there before any prosecution is p[orceeded with. It happens in other area’s and would be good for the NZ police.
Power when Justice Minister was interested but of course was overruled by the Lawyers and the Police.
Nowe unfortunatley we have a bunch of lawyers and an ex police prosecutor in abinet with all the grunt that brings so the Citizens of NZ will never acheivea Justice system independent of the investigators of the Justice.
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/09/general_debate_29_september_2012.html#comments
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 11:16 am
Couldn’t edit above so here is the relevant post.
Viking2 (7,658) Says:
Vote:September 29th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
September 30th, 2012 at 11:18 am
“same as the much heralded NZ productivity Commission whose terms excluded immigration.”
That’s a shot of jagermeister right there.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Johnboy (8,813) Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Foreign Affairs Minister Murray McCully says the United Nations risks losing its credibility because of its inability to act over Syria.
Didn’t that happen when they gave Auntie Helen a job?
Nah, years before that. Probably about 1960.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Keeping Stock (8,145) Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 11:10 am
@ davinci – a true supporter sticks by his team through thick and thin. I’ve been following the NZ cricket team for over 50 years, and always will; cricket is my first sporting love. Perhaps though, being born in the year that we were rolled for 26 by England condemned me from birth!
I guess that explains for us all why your beloved National Party can do no wrong.
Vote:Someone once made the point that we can change our mind when new evidence presents itself.
Of course the mind needs to be open to that.
September 30th, 2012 at 11:26 am
KS is only 59 V2. Give him a chance to grow up a bit!
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 11:28 am
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/62788.html
J.R.Reid…. 1!!!! ?
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Media Watch Dog is a good read if you’re interested in observing the destructive antics of the left in Australia. It is written by a dog called Nancy who is owned by Conservative commentator Gerard Henderson.
This week Nancy is laughing at the left’s ‘festival of Dangerous Ideas” at the Sydney opera house.
They’re going to be talking about such tedious and mainstream left wing crap as “Engineer Humans to Stop Climate Change and A Foetus is Not A Person”.
I much prefer Nancy’s list of “dangerous ideas”. However, I know well that this collection of pretentious and posturing hypocrites and liars would scatter like rabbits from a dingo rather than discuss the following propositions-
▪ Abortion Is Murder
▪ If We All Become Gay, Western Civilisation Will End
▪ George W. Bush is America’s Greatest President and Tony Blair is Britain’s Greatest Prime Minister
▪ If The Arab States Were As Good as Israel, The Middle East Would Be A Better Place
▪ Julian Assange Should Stand Trial For Treason In the United States
▪ Germaine Greer Has Become A Dreadfully Boring Media Tart
▪ Only Re-Colonisation Can Solve Africa’s Problems
▪ Private Schools Are Best
▪ Human Induced Climate Change Is A Load Of Crap
▪ Greed Is Good
▪ Vietnam Was a Just War
Media Watch Dog. Read Nancy every Friday for a good laugh at the idiotic Australian left.
http://www.thesydneyinstitute.com.au/media-watch-dog/
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Shut your mouth Johnboy; 2012-1955 only equals 57
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 11:30 am
When did Tony displace Margaret/Winston Red?
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 11:32 am
I only got 3 for maths in the 1965 School Cert KS!
Knew my name eh!
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Which puts Johnboy at 62 or thereabouts. Five years for KS to mature and just a few years before the ewe’s sigh with relief.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
I know that it gets tiresome banging the drum about the godawful bias of the MSM, but I think the pressure has to be maintained 24/7 if we’re ever to get decent coverage.
So to that end, here’s another side-by-side comparison of the different treatment meted out to “left-wing” and “right-wing” stories. In this case it’s the documentary movie 2016: Obama’s America, whose media treatment is compared to Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth in the linked article. The comparison is topical because – although one would probably never know this from reading and watching the MSM in the US (let alone here in NZ) – the Obama documentary just went past Gore’s in annual takings to be second on the list behind Michael Moore’s 9/11 “documentary”. The Obama movie has made $32 million since it’s release in mid-July, not much by fiction-movie standards but a big deal in the documentary world.
Personally I’ve not had much time for the author, Dinesh D’Souza, since his call several years ago for Western conservatives to team up with Muslim conservatives. Fuck. Off.
But this movie consists less of opinion than a simple tracking of Obama’s connections on the basis of what he himself has written and spoken (Obama’s own words seem to take up about half the movie), so it’s not a “hit job” in the sense that Moore’s was.
In any case, this article runs some comparisons about what the media said of Gore’s effort and what they now say about D’Souza’s:
I certainly remember the fuss. But as Bozell points out:
Which you would think would be a story in itself. Some media attention had to be given when the movie got into the top-ten documentary list, but you can guess the MSM attitude and Bozell points out the bleeding obvious about each criticism:
Heh. Bozell finishes on a similar note:
Just go away and die MSM. Die!
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Y’know Tom, they generally don’t recognise the media as biased in NZ.
Because they’re conditioned to it and immersed in it.
As good as an example of “frogs in the slowly warming pot” theory as you’d see anywhere.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
They will miss me when I’m gone Nookin. No farmer attends to the ewe’s dagging with the skill and attention I do!
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Good article on Blair.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2210164/Hubris-man-thinks-judged-God.html
Hulun’s administration as we all know was closely modelled on Blair’s “Third Way” and she was very close to him. I rather think she got a lot more than just policy advice from him. Their personalities seem to have a lot of commonalities.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Maybe GD is best left to the chat-roomers Reid.
It appears to be what some people prefer.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
The MSM are largely left-wing influenced in NZ because of the number of left-wingers here.
Vote:I went up north recently for my mother’s birthday and I was discussing the media with my elderly aunt. When she said that she listened to Radio NZ in preference to most other stations I agreed and said the same, except I mentioned that I was frustrated with the left wing bias in their news editing. She reacted with surprise and said she couldn’t stand the RIGHT-wing bias on RadioNZ! I’m still staggered by that.
September 30th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Yes RB, I often get that feeling when I see some of the topics that draw the most comments. But I don’t see what else can be done than to keep drawing attention to the things that matter, even if they don’t become threads in themselves. Even then it’s still better than the mind-numbing effort involved in watching TV network news or shows like Campbell Braindead.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Opera duet from the village.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Never give up chaps. Some us chatty types derive great insight from the more erudite comments of you really deep-thinkers, even if you think we are ignoring you.
It’s just that we don’t have the intellectual fit-out to engage you on a one-to-one basis!
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
“said she couldn’t stand the RIGHT-wing bias on RadioNZ! I’m still staggered by that.”
Its a view that is widely held here. The commies at RNZ react so much more violently to allegations of right wing bias than they do to those of left wing bias.
I once wrote a blog post that the left wing media wrongly construed as being criticism of them as being right wing, and they just came out of the woodwork like a swarm of white ants to defend against that misunderstanding. Amazing it was.
“I don’t see what else can be done than to keep drawing attention to the things that matter”
Tom, you’re a gem mate. One of the few good reasons to read Kiwiblog since its been taken over by the Progressives.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
I second to that RB. I enjoy reading Tom’s posts here on Kiwiblog. Tom for president of the US. I learnt lots of things from Tom’s posts, that I couldn’t have stumbled or come across on my own. Tom is erudite as Peter Creswell from Not PC blog (and so as you Redbaiter even though you don’t like Peter Creswell). I had a chat with Peter Creswell in recent weeks and we talked about you Redbaiter and he said, that he basically agrees with you, but his differences with you is that you have accused him and the Libertarianz of being fixated with homo-sexuals, which is not true.
Anyway, you, Tom, Creswell are the only ones in blogosphere who keep bringing up issues that matters. You have all been in full swing (Tom on Kiwiblog, Peter at Not PC and you at Trueblue) on bringing the attention to the disasters of the Keynesian economic framework that’s widely adopted around the world. Look no further than Europe and look what’s happening to the National Party’s borrowing. It is hardly brought up in discussions here. Not PC is not an economics’ blog, but Matt Nolan of Invisible Hands regards, Not PC blog as not a political blog but an economic blog as well. That’s true, one can just read Not PC’s regular posts, which he constantly brings to the attention of his readers of the danger that’s facing the West if they don’t abandon Keynesians intervention in the economy.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
I think it’s also important to not allow the left-wing to get away with the increasingly common claim that, while they have little time for the MSM, you can get good stuff from the likes of The Nation or Mother Jones, not to mention the perennial faves from the UK such as The Guardian.
But those outfits can be just as much a bunch of hacks when occasion requires. Witness this recent story in Mother Jones about Mia Love, a GOP candidate from Utah who looks like she’s going to win a Congressional seat. She apparently spoke at the recent GOP gabfest and was quite a hit with what she had to say.
But Mother Jones was not interested in almost anything she had to say except for her stance on immigration, despite the fact that immigration has not been a major part of her campaign and has apparently spoken about it only in one meeting (her focus appears to be relentless on fiscal matters). Nevertheless MJ went after the story with passion:
Detailed is it not? In-depth? They even dug up a very old interview with Love to try and prove that her account is false. And in the usual way of things, ABC4 news in Utah used this story as the basis for a good ‘gotcha’ question. Unfortunately for MJ, Forbes found that Love was correct about the law in question, and they also talked to immigration lawyers who confirmed how it would have been done.
Here’s the thing though: would MJ spend such time and attention on such a non-story for a Democratic candidate? And if they’re going to go for the angle of hypocrisy, what does it say about them that they’re suddenly very, very concerned about illegal immigration? As one blogger put it:
And that’s a “quality” left-wing, non-MSM, media site.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Thanks FF and RB, I just hope you two will keep those thoughts in mind when we inevitably butt heads over some issue or other.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Oh – I forgot to add that Mia Love is black – blacker than Obambi. So were I a leftie, it would be tempting to scream “racists” at Mother Jones – but I realise it’s just that Mia, like Allen West, has to be taken down to reinforce their narrative of the GOP as a bunch of old, white men – one of the narratives vital to keeping the left in power.
I’m sure the phrase “House Negro” will soon make its appearance if she gains prominence.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
“Thanks FF and RB, I just hope you two will keep those thoughts in mind when we inevitably butt heads over some issue or other.”
I know without the slightest doubt if that ever occurs it will be the most civil disagreement ever witnessed on Kiwiblog
My view on the MSM Tom is that they are a deliberately engineered political force designed to affect political change by way of the Progressive political movement. Newsmakers have long left the industry and it is entirely controlled by political activists.
For this reason, appealing to them for objectivity is completely fruitless. They know well what they are and they know well their mission, and they will not be distracted or delayed by the weak and impotent wails of Conservatives.
Therefore they are the enemy.
That leaves only one strategy and that is to awaken others to what an evil force they are.
TINA. (and you do so well at it)
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Falafulu Fisi-
Thank you for your kind words. I too agree with PC on many things but I cannot agree with the unproductive political strategies that the Libertarianz persist with or their fixation with Objectivism.
Agree or disagree I enjoy your comments (on every subject).
Keep up the good work.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
For you guys, who like me were confused by Red’s sign off!
http://www.misstina.com/
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
@tom hunter, the Dems also “blackened” up a photo of Mia Love when they used it in a flyer they sent out –
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/dems-darken-image-black-republican-house-candidate_653152.html
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Personally I’m quite happy with the MSM liberal bias. Keeps the dogs at bay.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Scotty old chap. How are you?
We seem to be on different shifts these days!
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
He’s on baby watch Johnnie.
Got a Progressive Degree in something or other.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Bloody good game of rugby out of Argentina just now; the All Blacks have been threatening to string together a performance like that, and when the passes stick, it is sublime to watch.
And what a sociable hour to be watching a rugby test match
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
I had a laugh at many of the former ACT members who think that a true libertarian type party will achieve a 4 or 5% threshold.
Vote:Libertarianz has never got more than 2000 votes think. ACT never used to be libertarian as some claim. 4 or 9 MPs voted against the civil Union Bill. Muriel was one of them. Perhaps that is why Heather Roy was allowed to parachute ahead of her. That was the biggest mistake ACT made.
September 30th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
It’s 2.30pm. Elderly chaps like you KS should be having their postprandial nap not getting all excited and all!
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
True Chuck. I was an ACT man once. No bastard could ever class me as a libertarian!
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
I believe the Rt Hon Dame Anne Hercus got to the UN Circus before Helen.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
@ Johnboy; the thought of a nanna-nap has crossed my mind, but there’s just so much bloody sport on!
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Which, I’m afraid, epitomises ACT’s problem. It should have been a strictly classical liberal political party, but was swamped by populists, opportunists and the raving right of the political spectrum (the counterparts of the loony left, but oriented toward social conservative ideological purity*, no matter what the electoral cost). Take two populist and opportunist leaders, add John Banks, pop in a donor contribution scandal, and watch the resulting toxic mixture.
Realistically, I think the only way out is for Catherine Isaacs to take over the seat and for Banks to serve a single term of office.
*Sectarians and mainstream political parties do not electoral viability make, regardless of one’s political leanings. Witness the Tories and their byzantine Eurosceptic squabbles during the Nineties and the Noughties, or the horror story that is the Australian Labor Party (see? They can’t even spell Labour properly!)
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
“True Chuck. I was an ACT man once. No bastard could ever class me as a libertarian! ”
Thanks John you proved my point.
Back in the early 2000′s when Muriel and Stephen Franks were MPs there were both libertarians, conservatives MPs and members and also some in between. Now what is left of it is mainly libertarians. Many of whom helped destroy the party.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Chuck,
Boscawen is still about it would seem.
As for those calling for Catherine Isaacs to take over – apparently she championed the promotion of the younger libertarians last year.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
What’s wrong with that? It would be worse to promote younger Labour lite types, wouldn’t it?
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
I’ve been liking the style of young David Garret I might add. Got a bit of form. Fronts up here regularly. Given a good track and a touch of the shamrock could be an outside chance. Pick him in a treble with Muriel and Stephen!
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
@manolo,
How did that work out for them?
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
“Boscawen is still about it would seem.
As for those calling for Catherine Isaacs to take over – apparently she championed the promotion of the younger libertarians last year.”
I am not sure what you mean about John. He is a honest man and a gentlemen and as far as I can tell he is conservative on many matters. If he was in Parliament I can not image he would support the drug laws the younger libertarians would like.
In regards Cathrine I can quite beleive what you say. I also think her and Rodney had a part in Roy parachuting over Muriel. Another costly mistake for Rodney and ACT members especially those who supported Muriel.
That is all history like ACT due to the lunatic fringe of libertarians in ACT who convinced Don to talk about dope. People should stick to what they know something about and Don has admitted he does not aside from other perople. I have both smoked dope in the past but also see the harm it can do especially in the stronger type that is not sold.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Chuck,
My point was that Boscawen is still there and not like Isaacs. He would seem to be more the traditional ACT candidate to me. (as opposed to the candidate the classical liberal or libertarian cabal would like the ideal to be.)
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Chuck you live on a funny planet banks is a conservative Christian. notice the support for act since he was put forward total collapse .
Vote:One of acts principles is encourage individual choice and responsibility .That is not your conservative idea.
Their standpoint has always been socially liberal as well as neoliberal economically. Infarct since the early days they have had a policy of legalising pot.
September 30th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
“I have both smoked dope in the past but also see the harm it can do especially in the stronger type that is not sold.”
Magpie may have some if you are keen Chuck!
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Shit-o-dear and I gave money to ACT! Oy-vey.
A meshugenah is born every minute!
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
” I have both smoked dope in the past but also see the harm it can do especially in the stronger type that is not sold.”
Should be now sold.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Oordle ardle wardle doodle….roll up, roll up…strong dope now sold here!!
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
“Car crashes into tree, kills driver”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7749463/Car-crashes-into-tree-kills-driver
I didn’t realise we had cars in NZ capable of driving without a human driver. I take it it was a Plymouth Fury given it was then able to kill the driver…
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Johnboy, stop attracting attention to him.
Vote:We are all over it now
September 30th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Two of my best poems were dedicated to him S(NS)!
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Aren’t the Black Caps supposed to be 20/20 ‘Hit and Giggle’ specialists?
Vote:Isn’t that how they justify being so highly paid yet one of the worst teams in the history of Test cricket?
September 30th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Trabant’s always kill the driver after a minor accident bh!
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Yeah I know.
Vote:The risk is low of a return
September 30th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Who can I dedicate poems to now?
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Pete George, he has not been himself lately
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
I have noticed that. The stupidly, cantankerous side of the force seems to have taken him.
Perhaps his hair loss has caused the other Peter to demote him?
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Quite a few good thoughts in this blog:
http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.nz/
Forget about the first post, go to:
Vote:Real Obama, Real Romney
QUEER GOINGS-ON; ALLEGED SCANDALS
SCHOLARS INVESTIGATE THE SOUL
etc
September 30th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Johnboy (8,862) Says:
September 30th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Oordle ardle wardle doodle….roll up, roll up…strong dope now sold here!!
Well I remember James K. Lived around the block from me. Dirty scruffy prick. Started out as a school teacher.
Vote:Went to Jeruselam and got into the pot with the Nuns that used to live there. They knew how to grow the stuff.
September 30th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
“Absolutely Uncertain”, an 18 minute video about the relationship of the Obama Administration and Israel.
It has 654,230 hits so far.
Vote:
September 30th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
All the Nun’s I ever met knew how make things grow.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
4:15PM Sunday Sep 30, 2012
2,667 online now
Alan Jones: ‘The old man died of shame’
Shock jock Alan Jones has sparked outrage with his comments about Prime Minister Julia Gillard’s recently deceased father, John.
Every time you think 2GB broadcaster Alan Jones has gone as low as he can go, he sets a new benchmark ever deeper in his now obviously bottomless barrel.
Not enough that he has already talked of putting the Prime Minister “into a chaff bag and hoisting her into the Tasman Sea,” or that he has said that the country needs to “bring back the guillotine,” to deal with her, and that across the country “women are wrecking the joint”. Now, before an audience of Sydney University Young Liberals last weekend at the Watermark Restaurant at Balmoral he has referred to the grieving PM’s late father, John Gillard – a man who was obviously very close to, and extremely proud, of his daughter – and said that he, “died a few weeks ago of shame”.
The unspeakably vicious nastiness of it, the sheer bully-boy misogyny of saying such a thing, simply takes the breath away, even for those of us who spent fair chunks of time around the unvarnished Jones.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/alan-jones-has-no-shame-20120930-26t5d.html#ixzz27vnRdvnB
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Give the poor old deluded bugger some rope V2.
Vote:He is an oval ball man after all so you can’t expect him to be the sharpest knife in the bloody drawer!
September 30th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Fifty Shades joins list of banned books
The offending book.
AS AMERICA’S annual celebration of the right to read prepares to kick off today, E.L. James’s erotic sensation Fifty Shades of Grey joins a list of classics including Catcher in the Rye and Fahrenheit 451 that have been challenged in libraries and schools.
Banned Books Week, which marks its 30th anniversary this year, will be marked with displays of censored literature in thousands of libraries and bookshops across the US.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/books/fifty-shades-joins-list-of-banned-books-20120929-26s54.html#ixzz27voOdmvN
So the yanks are still banning stuff. They are not the country of the Free are they?
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Cunliffe’s speech today had a typically smart analogy:
According to Imperator Fish:
But is Cunliffe being too smart?
But the weather can’t be controlled – what Cunliffe seems to be suggesting is trying to control a world wide economic storm by fiddling with more things locally. Farmers know to avoid pissing into the wind.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Too much copunting has fucked their brains I suspect!
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
The problem was this: M5, who was working for SCIA and the Crime Commission, had privately admitted to his superiors that in order to obtain search warrants he had told lies in court.
The state government has so far rejected calls for an independent judicial inquiry, saying the matters are under investigation by the Inspector of the Police Integrity Commission, the former Supreme Court judge David Levine.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/crime-commission-knew-agent-had-lied-in-court-records-reveal-20120929-26s7u.html#ixzz27vqbNEHo
Obviously standard practice among spies and police.
Vote:Who would know?
September 30th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Johnboy @ 11.32
3% in maths 1965
question is , did you pass School C ?
What score ?
i’m big headed enough to skite that i did, same year too. 253
Managed 10% in math, my fifth subject.
Do you remember how many times you were caned in the fourth form ?
Cashmere High School. Almost every thursday in winter i got 3 for not going to compulsory sport Wednesday.
i did turn up for cricket in summer but.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
262 bereal. Helped by 77 in English.
No.
Snots Porridge.
Went surfing at Lyall/Houghton bay every double maths period on Wednesday mornings.
Helps explain result of 3!
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
For anyone who’s watching the Anna Guy interview there are more details in a blog by the producer, Phill Prendeville:
Vote:http://www.tv3.co.nz/Shows/60Minutes/ShowExtras.aspx
September 30th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Just reminiscing, at Cashmere there was a prick of a prefect called Gary Gotlieb
who went on to rise to his level of incompetance at the Auckland Disrict Law Soc.
That prick caught us playing twoup for pennies on Anzac Day and reported it to the headmaster.
i got 6 from T H McCombs for that.
i hope that piece of shit Gotlieb can live with himself.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
So the yanks are still banning stuff. They are not the country of the Free are they?
According to a comment made by a female reader on the Ulsterman blog who works with troubled and abused children, 50 Shades Of Grey may actually be a thinly veiled story of paedophilia where the older man is a Jerry Sandusky type of abuser.
Although in the book, the woman’s age is given as 21, the readers contend that this is a thin cover and the signs point to a much younger aged protagonist.
I’m all for free speech as well, and I’m not sure about a ban, but I think people should know what the book might really be about.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Lawyers can live in a sealed dustbin with a corpse and a bucket of rotten fish if they think there is a buck in it bereal!
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Yesterday I visited a clan of native, wild, black tribal members in their habitat.
I had to push my way past the uncivilized group as they sloppily munched into their food, and looked at me to remind me that I truly was an outsider.
As I approached their leader, he stared into my soul through my eyes and simply asked,
“Welcome to KFC. May I take your order?”
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Sorry, forgot the links –
http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/08/16/50-shades-of-grey-pedophilia-hiding-in-plain-sight-letter-from-a-reader/
http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/08/18/fifty-shades-pedophilia-abuse-controversy-revisited/
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Read the bible fletch its got sex sodomy smiting and infanticide
Vote:If any book should be banned the bible should be
September 30th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
You paid a visit to the new one on the High Street Lower Hutt then nasska?
Vast improvement on the Naenae one.
Hard to tell if you were a customer or part of the menu there!
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Fletch
….”I’m all for free speech as well, and I’m not sure about a ban,”…..
I reckon you can have free speech or bans but having both seems a trifle ambivalent.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Free speech followed by demerits seems to do it for some eh DPF.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Read the bible fletch its got sex sodomy smiting and infanticide
If any book should be banned the bible should be
Griff, it’s history though.
Vote:I’m sure other historical accounts (of Rome etc) have similar stories of sex, slaughter, abuse, torture of Christians, etc.
Should they be banned as well?
September 30th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Johnboy
If I never walk into another KFC I’ll still die a happy man. They’re places you find unhealthy crap, not to mention that everything’s fat, cheap & greasy.
That’s just the customers…..the food’s bloody awful too.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
First the janitor at ACC, then lawyers already –
Vote:did you get out of the wrong side of the paddock this morning, Johnboy, or an hour too early?
September 30th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Heure d’été toujours causes bouleverse la ferme Yvette. A mans fantaisie tour à tour aux rêves d’amour non partagé avec la Mademoiselle de ses rêves et ses tâches domestiques restent annulées pendant qu’il attend son retour.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
True nasska. You get a far better class of customer at either Macca’s or BK’s drive thru!
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Nasska,
Vote:It would be about 40 – 41 years ago. I queued for 40 minutes to get a feed of Kentucky Fried Chicken from their Royal Oak outlet (the first in N.Z.). I loved it.
Then they changed the name to KFC and it has been excrement ever since. Well, it was eight months ago when I last tried it at Huntly.
Wattie foods were involved with KFC when they first opened in the early seventies. I recall the wonderful comment of the rotund Sir James Wattie, made at their opening when he said;
“There is nothing so pathetic as a thin man selling food.”
I had been introduced to Sir James when he visited our home in the mid sixties. I am from a big family. Sir James wanted to swap his Bentley for a Messmate colt, who was later named Marine. At that stage Dad had more mortgages than he had children; I want the cash he replied. Anyway, the Bentley wouldn’t fit in the garage.
September 30th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
I remember getting a burger from Macca’s in Porirua about 197….?
Vote:Tasted like shit compared to the local burgers.
Nothings changed.. still taste like shit!
September 30th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Remember KFC (long version) opening in the Hutt Valley. Ques for africa. Now they can barely find a customer.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Johnboy, je pense toujours que vous étiez un peu injuste envers le concierge de l’ACC,
Vote:compte tenu de la pagaille qui ses Patrons réussissent à créer
September 30th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Used to get bloody good burgers in Courtney Place. don’t reme ber the names of the place. Got even better when we started to supply the buns.
Egg burgers were the best.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Wait till Michael gets his Carl’s Jr chain pumping grease down here. The ethnics will flock to it, specially if he hands out miniature greasy rugby balls.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Tauhei
Strangely enough I met the same bloke when I was a young bugger. I would have been about seven & we were on holiday in Gisborne. My old man & he had been in the army together. Right at the peak of the season for the cannery then but he dropped everything & gave us a tour of the factory.
It was a long time ago but I still remember him as a really decent joker.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Je suis d’accord Yvette mais il faut garder les classes laborieuses y placer.
Vote:Regardez ce qui s’est passé à la Bastille ?
September 30th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Was that burger joint in Courtney or was it by the Central Fire Station on Kent V2. Cause if it was he made mean burgers and was open all hours?
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Ah, Johnboy, you mock the underclass again. Remember too then THE MISERABLES.
Vote:Bonne chance à l’Janitor ACC
September 30th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
MORE DEFENCE OF THE INDEFENSIBLE?
Where is the accountability to the RULE OF LAW by those who have the duty to ENFORCE THE LAW?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7748117/Police-stand-firm-behind-besieged-senior-officer
Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
How JK and Judith should have dealt with Roboto.com.
Vote:
September 30th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
Yeah, Penny – bit of a bummer. Like who can you lay a complaint with over that?
http://www.dodgyjohnhasn'tgonejustyet.commedy
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.nz/2012/08/where-is-your-mind.html
I often wonder how come the Islamaphobes still appear sentient it’s so obvious they’ve lost whatever it is they ever had. My theory is it’s all that clever puppetry from the western MSM which keeps them going, in the same way zombies are by those pins and dolls.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Votre plus tard ce soir mon cher Yvette.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Perhaps it is just that people fear the unknown reid and as most of us have never ridden a camel we fear and distrust their jockeys?
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
Longtime back. but along there somewhere. By the Fire station I think.
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Chap called John owned it. (All the best blokes I ever met are called John.
).
He made bloody mean egg burgers alright.
Was always a must on Saturday night to get a sobering up feed there before the drunken drive back to Lower Hutt!
Vote:September 30th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
Have you forgotten Pete & Bob’s opposite the entrance (High St) to the Hutt Hospital?
Now, they could make a good burger!
Vote:October 1st, 2012 at 6:54 am
Oh the irony.
Penny Bright – she who has STOLEN water, encouraged others to STEAL water, STOLEN electricity (as part of the Occupy movement), VANDALISED AND DEFACED the billboards of her opponents while standing for public office – wanting others to be held accountable to the rule of law.
And she makes statements like this while keeping a straight face!
Vote:October 1st, 2012 at 7:26 am
SCUM
Vote:Vandalism to boats follows threats http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7750191/Vandalism-to-boats-follows-threats
The vandalism is the latest in a series of incidents around the lake, stemming from about 2008, when squatters occupied the neighbouring Horowhenua Sailing Club as part of a dispute over lake ownership.
Mrs Mason said the rowing club had been harassed by “Maori activists trying to evict us” for years but she thought they had become more aggressive in the past few weeks.