Heh

September 18th, 2012 at 2:08 pm by David Farrar

Audrey Young reports:

Prime Minister said had more positions on water than had outfits.

On his way into caucus at Parliament this morning he was asked about the unity around the water issue at the national hui last week called by King Tuheitia.

He suggested that from the media reports he had seen there wasn’t unity.

“There are kind of more positions than Lady Gaga’s got outfits.”

No race, gender, or generally any group of human beings has a common view on a political issue.

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56 Responses to “Heh”

  1. Mighty_Kites (84 comments) says:

    “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win”. This quote seems particularly pertinent right about now

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  2. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    And some of the positions are as outlandish as some of the outfits. Which tends to detract from the serious aspects of the issue.

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  3. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Laura McQuillan ‏@mcquillanatorz
    John Key has referenced both Lady Gaga and Nirvana today. Max must have updated his iPod.

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  4. Lloyd (125 comments) says:

    Just wait ’til he references Bluegrass music. Then his arguments will be…
    actually, the idea bloody scares me…

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  5. Black with a Vengeance (1,861 comments) says:

    Well when youre dealing with each iwi as a sovereign nation its reasonable to expect differing positions on things.

    When are you dumfucks gonna realise Maori are not a race or one people and as such CANNOT be treated as such in any dealings concerning treaty issues.

    There never was any Maori unity. Not back in the day and certainly not now !!!

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  6. Bob R (1,374 comments) says:

    Meanwhile some details on a referendum question.

    http://johnansell.wordpress.com/2012/09/17/how-does-the-name-colourblind-state-grab-you/

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  7. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    National obviously has a common view. Now – that they have given away the beaches, seabed, auckland volcanic cones, devonport naval base, right of purchase of all public land in auckland for 150 years – they feel bold enough to JOKE about the fact they are going to raise taxes and charge more for power to pay iwi to pretent water is still free. Hilarious.

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  8. Komata (1,191 comments) says:

    BWAV: Agreed about the ‘dis’ unity aspect. In the same vein, as there are’up’ tribes and ‘down’ tribes within the hierachy of Maoridom. which tribe in your opinion, is actually driving this claim?

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  9. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    http://www.nzcpr.com/guest305.htm
    Iwi wish the new post-1970s’ interpretation of the Treaty of Waitangi to be included in a new New Zealand Constitution. This interpretation is promoted as the true’ one, a view that uses constant references to the law to support that impression. But that new interpretation, like the original Treaty, is the result of political forces at a particular historical moment and needs to be understood not as the truth but as a political strategy serving the interests of those promoting it. This is quite a reasonable cause of action. Democracy is after all a system for groups to promote their diverse and conflicting interests without war breaking out. However, democracy also requires constant vigilance over such promotion. We need to constantly check who is asking for what and why. We also need to make the judgement – should they have it?

    Iwi claims for public resources and constitutional recognition have not received the criticism they deserve. Contributing to this has been the strategy of cloaking those claims in legal justification. But whatever the law might say about the meaning of the Treaty, the final decision about its place in our society is a political one. Its usefulness to New Zealand must therefore be decided in the political sphere, not in courts by judges and lawyers, but by us, the people.

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  10. Black with a Vengeance (1,861 comments) says:

    Why does Key expect unity from Maori ?

    all it does is show him up for being a clueless dumfuck.

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  11. Black with a Vengeance (1,861 comments) says:

    Follow the iwi with the most claims to lakes and waterways and you’ll find who is most probably driving this claim Komata.

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  12. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    Black with a Vengeance – it wasn’t Key that was claiming Maori unity, it was the message that came out of last week’s hui, some Maori are trying to claim it. That’s why they want a national agreement on water.

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  13. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    Actually I find it quite unsurprising that the first reference point that John Key might have in his mind is that talentless fraud Lady Gaga.

    Obviously the National Party inner circle is still advised by a bunch of ex mainstream media ultra-liberal left wing jerks.

    Talking of which, where is Thedavincimode these days?

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  14. Black with a Vengeance (1,861 comments) says:

    He suggested that from the media reports he had seen there wasn’t unity.

    NO FUCKING SHIT SHERLOCK !!!

    media reports???…PFFFTTTT

    I suggest he go read the treaty and see who signed on behalf of the “UNITED” Maori people and who signed as representative of their own sovereign iwi.

    jeez what a douche…

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  15. Black with a Vengeance (1,861 comments) says:

    If there is one thing to unite maori it will be water not land…Remember the Waitaha !!!

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  16. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Of course there was Maori unity. Think of the members of the vanquished tribes who ended in the bellies of the victors.
    That’s the most profound unity you could ever imagine

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  17. Black with a Vengeance (1,861 comments) says:

    oh and of course theres the union of copulation when the victors raped the conquered wimmin folk too eh Manolo ?

    such an exclusive Pasifikan thing…NOT!!!

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  18. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    I was asked years ago for ideas on how to get iwi enrolement onto a voting database. Told them to offer a free leg of lamb with each validated enrolement. Worked a treat :)

    C’mon JK, offer ‘em lamb bro :)

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  19. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    We, New Zealanders, having founded our society in the equality of comradeship, and living here at home in the land we have made, utterly oppose any laws which establish or promote racial distinction or division.

    There shall be one law for all:

    We refuse to accept any reference to the Treaty of Waitangi or its principles in any constitutional document.
    We require that such references be removed from all existing legislation.
    We require that race-based Parliamentary seats be abolished.
    We require that race-based representation on local bodies be abolished.
    We require that the Waitangi Tribunal, which has outlived any usefulness it may have had, be abolished.

    And we pledge ourselves to oppose and resist all those of whatever rank or degree who, whether by force or the devious processes of the law, attempt to impose the fetters of racial inequality on the free citizens of New Zealand.

    SIGN HERE http://www.nzcpr.com/petition_EqualRights.php

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  20. RF (1,397 comments) says:

    IWI = I WANT IT.

    So much for unity when Maori are bleeding this country dry with their massive payouts that never seem to trickle down to those that need it.

    Up north you see the Maori Mafia cruising around in their new limos with dark tinted windows, Italian suits, dark glasses, gold trinkets and a huge pendant hanging around their necks. I guess it makes them feel important whilst everyone else gets on with their life.

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  21. Black with a Vengeance (1,861 comments) says:

    Political representation as it relates to Maori is based on culture not race.

    Maori arent a race.

    I require that such inferences to Maori as a race be consigned to the private discourse of ignorant dumfucks like yourself griff.

    chur cuz!!!

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  22. Black with a Vengeance (1,861 comments) says:

    Profits going offshore and tax dodging by mostly cracka ass fatcats is whats bled this country dry RF.

    Get your facts straight!!!

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  23. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    Race piffft
    fucken corrupt stone age culture
    The one that glorifies war and death,The one that eats its young,The one without a honest thought or concept,The one that says what is mine is mine what is yours is mine,The one that causes Moari to sit on the top of every horrific statistic,, The one that holds it foot on its people so its leaders can feast on the corpse of democracy, The one that holds New Zealand down from being the most forward, enlightened and successful nation on this planet

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  24. Black with a Vengeance (1,861 comments) says:

    Forward, enlightened and successful ?

    We grow cows, worship rugby players and settle for mediocrity…That’s got fuck all to do with Maori.

    How fucking convenient for transplanted eurocentric culture to have such a compliant scapegoat for all its failings and dont get me started on eurocentric corruption and the glorificatrion of war and death.

    Fancy a souvlaki or a pizza or perhaps hamburger and french fries ?

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  25. Black with a Vengeance (1,861 comments) says:

    sieg heil muthafuckas!!!

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  26. double d (225 comments) says:

    nice to have your enlightened views on board bwav.
    you managed to lift the tone nicely.

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  27. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    BWAV
    OECD better life index
    http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/#/10111111111
    Housing Moari score low let the Govt. provide sos we can by more drrrugs
    Income moari score low no worky no payie
    Jobs Moari score low to lax to work
    Community Moari score low no one wants a mongie house next door
    Environment Moari score low watch coast watch
    Civic Engagement Moari score low to Lazy to vote
    Health Moari score low third world health in a first world country
    Life Satisfaction Moari score low Always moaning about te tit ty
    Safety Moari makes us score low 50% violent crime
    Work-Life Balance Moari iscore high easy if you don’t work :lol:
    Allahu Akba

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  28. trout (939 comments) says:

    Komata, the claim has not been driven by a particular tribe ; it was lodged by an activist group under the cloak of the Maori Council. (who have received $1mill. in funding from TPK to cover costs – an excellent earner). Joshua Hitchcock comments at http://roiamaori.wordpress.com/ : ‘The NZ Māori Council have done Māori a great disservice in bringing this particular claim and linking in to the partial sale of State-Owned Enterprises in the manner that it has. By linking this claim to the keystone legislation of the Government’s second term, it was always doomed to fail. The Māori Council is a body desperately searching for relevance amidst the rise of independent Māori political bodies and the more representative Iwi Leaders Group. It no longer speaks with the authority of Te Ao Māori behind it, instead it appears to have been captured by the specific interests of Titewhai Harawira and Donna Hall. It speaks volumes about the strength of their case that the Iwi Leaders Group, a body comprised of the elected leaders of Iwi throughout Aotearoa, refused to support the claim and instead preferred to continue negotiation with the Crown around water rights.’
    The so called ‘pan-Maori’ hui was attended by many and they were polite in their assent to resolutions, only to go away and develop their own strategy. The hui was a desperate effort by Tuku Morgan to use his glove puppet, the Maori King, to grab centre stage. Tribes outside Tainui are not betoken to the Maori King

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  29. Black with a Vengeance (1,861 comments) says:

    Fuck your eurocentric OECD stats off back to europe Griff !!!

    It’s because you measure by stupid shitty standards like the oecd that you’lll never understand Maori and Pasifikan culture.

    you’re such a sad c*nut…

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  30. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    Yes Brown with some white and nt clue its far better you measure by poly standards would you like to share them with us then
    By the way I can not fuck of back to any where because my passport has New Zealand on it as does many that share my views

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  31. Black with a Vengeance (1,861 comments) says:

    well if you can’t fuck off griff, at very least shut the fuck up eh ?…you’re embarassing your race:)

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  32. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    Please black with yada yada share you views on the priority’s of the pacifaka world if health wealth and a free society don’t feature I and others would be interested to know what does?
    or is it easer to be a hater and wrecker then have a constructive argument :lol:

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  33. Black with a Vengeance (1,861 comments) says:

    finding that balance of relationship between the self and the self, the self and fellow humanity, the self and the environment, the self and the cosmos…

    and measured by our own standards not your stupid fucken oecd bullshit. We’re in the post consumer age now cuz. All your base are belong to us!!!

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  34. Akaroa (557 comments) says:

    “There are kind of more positions than Lady Gaga’s got outfits.” – John Key

    LOL!! What a player that man is!! This is why he’s the most popular PM NZ has had for years.

    Right on, John! We’re with you!!

    Can you imagine ol’ vinegar face Clark, or the sobersides who followed her – and who was so charismatic (not) that I can’t even remember his name – (oh, yes I can – it was Geoffrey Palmer), coming out with a remark like that.

    Call it ‘the common touch’ or ‘having the public’s ear’ or whatever, but, whatever it is, ol’ John Key has got it in spades.

    Can’t wait to see how this Maori thing works out – although to judge from some of the posts here you’d think WW3 was about to break out and that life as we know it was about to end.

    Lighten up guys! There is nothing – (that is, Not-a-Thing) – that warrants the sort of hand-wringing, angst and sombre prognostications that this non-issue seems to generate.

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  35. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    I asked about your standards and get explicative laden mumbo jumbo Is it to much to ask for some sense black with utu or does your hate blind you to your own peoples predicament The white mans church is the shackle that binds pacifica to poverty and death

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  36. Black with a Vengeance (1,861 comments) says:

    explicitive laden mumbo jumbo ?

    …really, it’s all you deserve !

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  37. rakuraku (162 comments) says:

    John Key probably does not know anything about the TOW as both his parents were Hungarian Jewish Immigrants so I am told,
    and we don’t teach NZ History in NZ Schools so I feel his understanding of New Zealand is rather limited.

    He needs to educate himself about the Maori Culture and New Zealand History, just because he made a few dollars trading NZRail shares and trading currency on Wall St doesn’t make him a Rock Star like most NZ wantabes see him.

    A little bit of humility would go a long way, his arrogance in culural matters is mindboggling, he probably has never met a Maori before he met Peter Sharples.

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  38. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    I have not seen any evidence that you contain any more than hate even your moniker says so
    If the pacifika peoples dont want our society why come here from the islands is it the bond to your moari relatives that draws you or the fruits of the western society ?

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  39. trout (939 comments) says:

    Which history should JK learn Rakuraku?; the true history or the recently manufactured revisionist version. Does being so patronizing toward JK give you a buzz?
    Times are tough, all our energy should be looking forward, not raking through the past looking for means to extract free money. When will the billion dollars plus handed out to Iwi be used constructively to improve the living standards of their community or is this still Government responsibility?

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  40. Black with a Vengeance (1,861 comments) says:

    Vengeance isn’t about hate. It’s wholly justified. It’s righteous man…

    and yeah bro, we came here for the love. Fuck your fruits!!!

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  41. Black with a Vengeance (1,861 comments) says:

    oh and we cum for the white women too of course…i mean c’mon?

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  42. rakuraku (162 comments) says:

    I am more concerned about the amount of energy John Key and his cronies are putting into cashing up our Cash Cows rather than getting the economy sorted out.

    The Maori’s are merely exercising a right to protect our (New Zealand’s) resources from foreign exploitation.

    John Key is batting for his Merchant Banking mates who positioned him as PM of NZ to further privatise our state assets, if you can not see this you are not looking at the big picture.

    The dismal failure of BNZ, NZRail and the wholesale sell off of our assets has been a disaster for NZ.

    $14 Billion is currently remitted to overseas owners of former NZ Owned Assets-wakey wakey NZ this guy is controlled by the Puppet Masters here in NZ and Overseas.

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  43. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    BWAV takes over grumpyoldhori as the most racist poster on this site. No mean feat, well done.

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  44. rakuraku (162 comments) says:

    BWAV the whiteman enjoyed the fruits of the Maori Women after they had slaughtered the Maori Men.

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  45. minto57 (197 comments) says:

    beige with attitude you really are a dumb motherfucker.

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  46. Kea (12,824 comments) says:

    the whiteman enjoyed the fruits of the Maori Women after they had slaughtered the Maori Men

    Some of us still do. The women seem to enjoy it too.

    It sort of drives home the point that we are all one people. I don’t see why the lovely Maori lady in my arms should get any more, or less, rights than me.

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  47. Black with a Vengeance (1,861 comments) says:

    BWAV the whiteman enjoyed the fruits of the Maori Women after they had slaughtered the Maori Men.

    jeez…who wouldn’t ?

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  48. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    http://www.nzcpr.com/petition_EqualRights.php
    We, New Zealanders, having founded our society in the equality of comradeship, and living here at home in the land we have made, utterly oppose any laws which establish or promote racial distinction or division.
    Target: 50000
    Number of people who have signed: 17119
    another 2200 today :grin:

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  49. Shunda barunda (2,983 comments) says:

    I resent the positions of lady gaga!!!

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  50. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    Be specific man! Which positions upset you the most? :)

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  51. Black with a Vengeance (1,861 comments) says:

    spoken like a true prawn griff…

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  52. rakuraku (162 comments) says:

    I think the Maori Position on water is crystal clear, John Key and Bill English have not thought this thing through properly and are flying by the seat of their pants. Hone Key believes he can rely on the Pakeha Judicial System to drive this through.

    And guess who is going to pick up the tab.

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  53. Griff (7,694 comments) says:

    Thank you pooh brown fob with no idea I am Glad I amuse you
    prawn nom nom nom burb
    hows the white chicks going making lots of whitifaka babys?

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  54. MH (753 comments) says:

    Whatever happened to planking? It’s like a coffin without sides or a roof. All pollies are plankers,exposed cadavers but they lie standing up.

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  55. Viking2 (11,470 comments) says:

    According to the Reserve Bank. An entity calling itself the Sovereign Global Bank of Aotearoa (SGBA) is touting itself as “the fledging Maori Central Bank of the Sovereign State of Te Atua E Wa Aotearoa New Zealand.” Its detailed website talks of eagles preying on humans, a 10 foot chief, and space expeditions.

    The Reserve Bank is not amused, issuing a caution notice in which it points out SGBA isn’t licensed or prudentially supervised by it or any other New Zealand authority.

    It just had to happen.

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  56. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    I don’t know why the Maoris on this blog get so upset. They’ve won. We now have a bicultural society with Maori,in the upper class calling the shots, represented,on all major organisation on the basis of their ethnicity and with a trillion dollars of our money to make sure no government dare go up against them. all we have left is the ability to have a bit of fun on a blog that is chip wrappers as,son as you hit the enter button.

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