Latest Herald Digipoll

September 11th, 2012 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

The Conservative Party has had a bump in the following Parliament’s passing of the first reading of a bill to legalise gay marriage, the latest Herald-DigiPoll survey shows.

The Conservatives would not make it to Parliament on its 1.5 per cent rating (up from 0.5), but if the threshold of the party vote is lowered from its current 5 per cent to 4 per cent under reforms to MMP before the next election, it has to rise only 2.5 percentage points to make it into Parliament with several MPs.

Wow this is trying to talk up a pretty minor movement. Small parties regularly move up or down by 1%. The reality is that even on 1.5%, that is barely over half of what they actually got at the last election.

Personally I would have expected they would have got a much larger and more significant bump, considering the publicity Colin Craig has had.

The full poll results are at Curiablog. On this poll the CL and CR both have 60 seats, so the Maori Party would have the balance of power.

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81 Responses to “Latest Herald Digipoll”

  1. Letterman (184 comments) says:

    Hmmmm, Roy Morgan at 0.5%; Digipoll at 1.5%; reports of pollsters in Aussie mixing up “Conservative” with “National” Party responses – flipping polls.

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  2. James Stephenson (2,040 comments) says:

    I think the CCCP did about as well as they’re going to do last time around, on the back of appropriating an known international political brand. Now the electorate have had the chance to realise that the substance of the party doesn’t match the brand and that CC is an idiot, they’re doomed to irrelevance.

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  3. eszett (2,337 comments) says:

    it has to rise only 2.5 percentage points to make it into Parliament with several MPs.

    Yeah, I had to laugh at this line. They got just around 2.5 in total the last time around, now they “jumped” from 0.5 to 1.5

    Ridiculous to call it “lifted by the gay issue”. Lifted would be if they were well above what they got in the last election, close or above 4%.
    A more precise headline would be “the gay non-issue fails to significantly lift Conservative”.

    Just shows that this is an “issue” for a tiny minority.

    Colin Craig must be seriously disappointed in this result.

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  4. Redbaiter (7,645 comments) says:

    These polls are useless at measuring such small quantities.

    They’re not even within the margin of error.

    More tangibly, Craig got around 60,000 votes in the last election.

    That’s pretty good for a fledgling party and if he keeps taking Conservative voters from the too Progressive and basically far left National he will improve on this.

    One way to do it would be to take a very public stand against the separatism that John Key / National have supported and encouraged.

    I’m surprised Craig hasn’t spoken out on this already. There are truckloads of votes out there just waiting to be picked up.

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  5. bringbackdemocracy (397 comments) says:

    This is the third Herald poll out this year.
    The Conservative party have increased their support in each one.
    Of all the polling organisations, the Herald have had the lowest results for the Conservatives.
    The fact that their result has tripled from the previous Herald poll is a good result.

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  6. Redbaiter (7,645 comments) says:

    Another tack Craig could take is to spotlight the false religion of Environmentalism and the disastrous economic effects it is having on the country, and especially the absolute evil of indoctrinating school children with such destructive mostly irrational garbage.

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  7. Aredhel777 (278 comments) says:

    “I’m surprised Craig hasn’t spoken out on this already. There are truckloads of votes out there just waiting to be picked up.”

    Why don’t you send them an email and recommend it to them Redbaiter? Bearing in mind of course that the Conservatives are probably going to target socially conservative Maori and PI groups (I’m assuming you mean the Treaty crap re: separatism.)

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  8. markblackham (13 comments) says:

    Poor angle for the reporting. The evenness of CL vs CR with balance of power to Maori Party is by far the most important aspect. The next election will therefore be decided by motivating turn out. The problem with second and third term governments is that they tend to give people reasons to turn out against them, or reasons for former supporters not to bother voting.

    It’s very poor punditry to think that political parties get any sort of significant one-off issue-based lifts, and to make matters worse, try to extrapolate that lack of poll bounce to a verdict on the issue.

    Voters are far more complicated and sophisticated. Political support trends over a longer period of time. The Conservatives are more likely to gain support over time, largely undetected by polls. Previous religious conservative parties in NZ have shown there is a potential support of up to 5% of the voters.

    But they might find it a bit harder to achieve because the Leader is a political entrepreneur who has made the entrepreneurial error of confusing his investment in the idea with the need for him to lead and communicate that idea.

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  9. Peter (1,578 comments) says:

    Looks like the Greens and Labour aren’t that far apart.

    Might it be an understatement to suggest that whoever is running “strategy” for Labour may want to rethink their occupation?

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  10. Andrei (2,506 comments) says:

    On this poll the CL and CR both have 60 seats

    Incorrect

    It should read On this poll the CL Lunatic Left and CR Left both have 60 seats

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  11. Pete George (22,868 comments) says:

    Polls can be very variable for small parties. Conservatives have trended down (3% to 0.5%) in the last three Roy Morgan polls.

    The evenness of CL vs CR with balance of power to Maori Party is by far the most important aspect.

    Yes, and interesting that in their MMP review submission National cited the fact that with no one seat threshold in the last two elections the Maori Party would have held the balance of power both times.

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  12. KiwiGreg (3,181 comments) says:

    “On this poll the CL and CR both have 60 seats, so the Maori Party would have the balance of power.”

    Wont that be an unedifying spectical? “I bid the water and the air for your support” “I bid the water, the air and the ground below it plus a free taniwha” ….

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  13. Dazzaman (1,123 comments) says:

    But they might find it a bit harder to achieve because the Leader is a political entrepreneur who has made the entrepreneurial error of confusing his investment in the idea with the need for him to lead and communicate that idea.

    Good observation…It would be interesting to know what the bump for Winston First would be at this time. He is the obvious other choice for those voters against the gay “marriage” bill & feeling disaffected by the Nats.

    Just looked & as I suspected, NZ First got a 1.1% bump to take them to past the 5% threshold. That’s where Colins support is going obviously.

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  14. Griff (6,848 comments) says:

    The decline in bot labour and mana less is te most significant result I read into te poll
    Sit I ave lost a letter coffee spurt from reds and Andreas joke on te CCCP

    IS winnie left of center? or just winnie

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  15. Pete George (22,868 comments) says:

    Presumably the timing of this poll coincided with some of the Waitangi tribunal and nigger timeframe.

    Maori Party support went up slightly, and Mana support went down 1.4 to 0.3%.

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  16. Redbaiter (7,645 comments) says:

    Andrei- “It should read “On this poll the Lunatic Left and Left both have 60 seats””

    Thought exactly the same thing when I read it.

    This country’s political compass is totally fucked up if the consensus is that the high taxing big spending interfering do gooding racist separatist welfarist anti-man anti-war anti-guns anti-freedom anti-individual government we have now is center right on the political spectrum.

    Sid Holland must be spinning in his grave at a rate that could seriously affect the force of gravity.

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  17. eszett (2,337 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (751) Says:
    September 11th, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    Andrei- “It should read “On this poll the Lunatic Left and Left both have 60 seats””

    Thought exactly the same thing when I read it.

    Meaning no one in this country really cares for your or andrei’s fringe caricature “right-wing” views and opinions.
    Bummer, dude.

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  18. Redbaiter (7,645 comments) says:

    eszett- “Meaning no one in this country really cares for your or andrei’s fringe caricature “right-wing” views and opinions.”

    Why do you keep lying about this?

    My views as expressed on Whaleoil always attract a lot of plus votes and so did they when the same system existed on Kiwiblog.

    Your statements are just cowardly communist agiprop designed to try to marginalise dissent from the party line.

    I will keep saying what I believe and the momentum is clearly with the Conservatives.

    90% of the discussion on this thread relates to them. The liberal/ Progressive syndrome as supported by losers like you eszett is fast reaching the end of its shelf life. It is tired out and finished and our derelict society is its legacy.

    That you can’t detect this is symptomatic of your head in the sand approach to the rise of conservatism, and its why you will in the end be defeated.

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  19. Pete George (22,868 comments) says:

    At the moment the Conservative Party has hardly any policies, but they have made a number of submissions on policies, including the MOM bill:

    1.1 The Conservative Party opposes the bill at this time.
    1.2 The Conservative Party believes there are 3 primary reasons to oppose the passage of this bill and this submission will address each of these in turn. The three reasons are as follows:
    a. Lack of public support
    b. Lack of commercial justification
    c. Concern surrounding foreign ownership and loss of wealth in the longer term

    They are probably closest to NZ First on asset sales and certainly don’t seem very right wing, this would put them left of centre.

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  20. Griff (6,848 comments) says:

    Other than posts by you and your buddy te posts are running at 8/15 derision of cccp and 1/15 support the other 6 posts dont mention CCCP
    If thinking you are nutters gets you elected collon will be a shoe in.Will you be standing red? I am sure the CCCP could do with the 3 votes you would bring with you

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  21. hmmokrightitis (1,516 comments) says:

    Well, speaking for myself, I got to…

    “high taxing big spending interfering do gooding racist separatist welfarist anti-man anti-war anti-guns anti-freedom anti-individual government”

    and couldnt read any further. Who knew it was that bad huh?

    One outbreak of Zombies and were all fucked I reckon.

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  22. Jimmy Smits (246 comments) says:

    Personally I would have expected they would have got a much larger and more significant bump, considering the publicity Colin Craig has had.

    I suspect he finds these results rather… Conservative.

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  23. eszett (2,337 comments) says:

    Why do you keep lying about this?

    I am not lying about this, you said it yourself. Your views would not gain a single seat in parliament. Not even close. Nada.
    Andrei’s quote and you agreed with it.

    The liberal/ Progressive syndrome as supported by losers like you eszett is fast reaching the end of its shelf life. It is tired out and finished and our derelict society is its legacy.

    lol, and yet we “losers” just keep on winning and you “winners” just keep on whinging and whining.

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  24. s.russell (1,565 comments) says:

    I suspect the 2.8% vote the Consevative Party got at the election was a protest vote (by conservatives obviously) who were unhappy at National’s liberal positions on some issues. But most of those people cast their vote sin the belief that National was going to romp home with a large majority – meaning that they could throw away a vote without risk of some disastrous consequence, like Labour getting in.

    The actual result should have demonstrated the danger of that, and if polls in two years time are anything like what they are now, those voters won’t take the risk: they will vote National, because despite their reservations, thet is a far better option for them than Labour. If CC’s party could not get more than 1.5% in a poll in the midst of this issue, I don’t think they are going to get much more in 2011.

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  25. iMP (2,248 comments) says:

    These polls are completely irrelevant. as there is no Q. National will accommodate the Conservs in a safe seat (Bye Banksie) prior to threshold reviews of the ECommission being enacted (if they are enacted). So all we’re debating is HOW many MPs this new party will have in the 2014 Parliament. Word around is that National has already courted them, but C. Craig said no at this stage.

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  26. Redbaiter (7,645 comments) says:

    I’m talking about trends eggsett. You are dull and stupid and you have no intuition. Therefore you can’t detect them. (Its also why you don’t understand what I am talking about.)

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  27. hmmokrightitis (1,516 comments) says:

    “I’m talking about trends eggsett. You are dull and stupid and you have no intuition. Therefore you can’t detect them. (Its also why you don’t understand what I am talking about.)”

    No, theres another really good reason for that. See if you can guess what it might be.

    So, if youre not Kyle, maybe a comedian trying material prior to open mic night somewhere? C’mon red, fess up, I mean, its not that hard when were all wrong and youre the only one right, right?

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  28. Andrei (2,506 comments) says:

    The actual result should have demonstrated the danger of that, and if polls in two years time are anything like what they are now, those voters won’t take the risk: they will vote National, because despite their reservations, thet is a far better option for them than Labour.

    Keeping kidding yourself buster – it will be a cold day in hell before I’d vote National again because there is little difference between National and Labour – different face, same old shit.

    We did vote to overturn Bradfords anti-smacking bill, what did we get under National? The finger!

    We didn’t vote for homosexual marriage, it wasn’t on the table, but we will get it under National using a private members bill as cover to advance the so called “progressive” agenda – progressive actually means degenerate BTW.

    Then there is the nanny state crusade against tobacco

    I could go on

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  29. eszett (2,337 comments) says:

    Trends, Red? What your are talking about is wishful thinking.
    There is no “rise in conservatism”. The conservative party is dwindling under 2%.

    To put it terms that you may understand, if you tell your wife that your penis is on the rise, but you cant even get 2% erect, even your wife will know that it’s nothing more than wishful thinking.

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  30. Redbaiter (7,645 comments) says:

    Don’t forget lame support of the separatist agenda, selling out to watermelons (ETS), corporate welfare, failure to reduce crime, in other words just the same old same old we had under Klark.

    Fuck National and Labour and their revolving door Progressivism.

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  31. Griff (6,848 comments) says:

    Maybe te rumour is true and reddy is pillu’s alter ego?
    its climbing redd on te right you ave: derision 60% :support 5% : meh 35% Tat translates as 2.5 percent of te total vote you may have two seats if collon can construct a landslide against key :lol:

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  32. bhudson (4,734 comments) says:

    hmmokrighitis,

    Red is rumoured to be Russell Fletcher of Tauranga…

    http://www.mombu.com/culture/new-zealand/t-redbaiter-revealled-1384839.html

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  33. Redbaiter (7,645 comments) says:

    eggshit- “To put it terms that you may understand, if you tell your wife that your penis is on the rise, but you cant even get 2% erect, even your wife will know that it’s nothing more than wishful thinking.”

    That last bit sums it all up quiet well. People have had enough of your degenerate crap, and that you can’t detect the rising tide of discontent with the destruction you bunch of gutless amoral progressive losers have brought upon our society its because of the dull unimaginative group think that so deeply infects you and every other grey brain damaged commie.

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  34. eszett (2,337 comments) says:

    it will be a cold day in hell before I’d vote National again

    Who cares? National kept it’s lead and had a slight rise.

    Truth of the matter is, parliament passed the first reading of the marriage equality bill with a overwhelming majority and guess what? It made SFA difference in the polls. No landslide for the Conservatives, no surge for NZF, no dramatic losses for National. A big fat yawn!

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  35. hmmokrightitis (1,516 comments) says:

    Thanks bhudson, kinda makes sense really, embittered old dude, doesnt understand the irony of “if you dont think like me your a commie bastard” yet claims hes far right – and still espouses group think shit like that.

    As – I think – RRM said, he doesnt even realise how far left he actually is.

    Conservative rise? Flaccid fall more like. Even licking your viagra would give you more rise than that red, seriously.

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  36. Redbaiter (7,645 comments) says:

    “Red is rumoured to be Russell Fletcher of Tauranga…”

    Sigh..

    Fucking morons.

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  37. eszett (2,337 comments) says:

    And yet, Red, these degenerate, amoral, society destructing, dull, unimaginative group of brain damaged commies just keeps on winning against your enlightened, brave, patriotic, god fearing, creative, intelligent and well educated right wing bastion consistently and effortlessly.

    Amazing.

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  38. Redbaiter (7,645 comments) says:

    Geee whiz hmmmokrightacompletefuckingmoronItrulyam, I didn’t realise I’d hurt you that bad.

    You’re still not getting it eggshit. (Why are all you commies so unendingly thick?) I know you have been winning. That’s what pisses me off. But its a trend that is fast changing.

    Don’t worry so much about it, you’ll never get it.

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  39. Pete George (22,868 comments) says:

    RB – do you agree with Craig’s opposition to MOM share sales?

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  40. Redbaiter (7,645 comments) says:

    I agree that the grip the Progressives have on the National Party has to be broken and that the party has to return to its founding principles. Whatever it takes to do this (within reason) I’m for it.

    Craig and the Conservatives are political novices for chrissake.

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  41. hmmokrightitis (1,516 comments) says:

    LMFAO, wow, did that take long Mr Baiter sir? All tired out now?

    It must be entirely exhausting defending 2%, and talking about ‘trends’ when there isnt one, and 2 thats a whole 2%, of people think like you. But everyone else has fallen into deluded torpor. You are the way, the truth, the light.

    You stick with the 2% old fullah. I giggle in your general direction.

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  42. eszett (2,337 comments) says:

    I know you have been winning.

    True

    That’s what pisses me off.

    Excellent

    But its a trend that is fast changing.

    Did I mention “wishful thinking”?

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  43. RRM (9,478 comments) says:

    Wedbaiter (757) says:
    I will keep saying what I believe and the momentum is clearly with the Conservatives.

    LOL – 2.5% at the 2011 general election – then down to 0.5% – now 1.5%… that’s some pretty solid momentum Kolin Kwaig’s got right there! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    And you probably think you’re his valiant little foot soldier, drumming up support all over the blogosphere? You poor delusional little fulla. Imagine how high Kolin Kwaig might be polling right now, if he didn’t have a nutter like you spreading all over the blogosphere the impression that the CCCP is the party of choice for potty-mouthed lunatic letter-writers?
    If it wasn’t for you, he might EVEN be out of the margin of error and in almost a position to start challenging the parliamentary bare minimum threshold…?

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  44. Griff (6,848 comments) says:

    With the recent vote on marriage the treaty issue and other talking point being conductive to a increase in support of a truly right wing conservative party the lack of significant support developing for CCCP points to a major flaw in its direction or leadership. If they are not showing significant gains now I doubt they ever will.

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  45. Redbaiter (7,645 comments) says:

    RRM, if I am as ineffective as you claim, why do you and a legion of like brain damaged commie losers spend so much time and put so much effort in to trying to discredit me?

    How could I or anyone else rational believe you when you so regularly flock in such numbers to so feverishly oppose any comment I might make?

    So much effort is so gratifying to observe.

    Obviously I worry the shit out of you and your gutless commie coterie.

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  46. Letterman (184 comments) says:

    A genuine question: how many polls need to have been taken before a research organisation (Curia, Roy Morgan, whoever) declare a “trend”?

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  47. KiwiGreg (3,181 comments) says:

    I’m not sure a Conservative candidate would get in in Epson so I wouldn’t write off Banks just yet.

    If anything Banks’ newly discovered social liberalism has probably increased his support.

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  48. Pete George (22,868 comments) says:

    Letterman – I don’t know, especially when different pollsters show different trends. Morgan has CCCP trending down.

    But it doesn’t matter much this far out from an election. The only trend that really matters is in the four weeks up to an election, as NZF showed last year. At this stage it’s a matter of trying to get media attention, most of what is reported this year will be long forgotten in 2014 but they hope that name recognition willl have developed strength.

    Last election many people flocked to back Winston not becasue they liked him but because he wasn’t National and they didn’t think Labour were worth voting for.

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  49. Griff (6,848 comments) says:

    I can not answer for the rest of the point out reds a deluded nut job club red.
    But I wind you up because its fun. I spend half the day rotfl at you and the other half rotfl at the posts to you

    A day with your spurious claims and imaginative abuse is a happy day
    Keep up the good work red and remember we lufs you.

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  50. RRM (9,478 comments) says:

    I don’t know Wed – why do they have Dwarf throwing contests, and why do people watch?

    Anybody can see the Dwarf is the star of the show, and yet no-one wants to be him…

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  51. Redbaiter (7,645 comments) says:

    Yes of course, you all claim to be laughing and giggling but the tone of your posts frequently says otherwise.

    They’re angry and spiteful and full of cowardly lies and smears.

    You’re not having fun, you’re desperately trying to regain the political ground you’ve lost.

    Bad luck you sad goons. The commie syndrome has run its course and soon you’ll just go the way of the dodo.

    You know it too. That’s what makes you so frantic.

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  52. RRM (9,478 comments) says:

    Lies? :neutral:

    Oh no, Wed…

    LYING is telling your own readers that Kiwiblog is a far-left sewer and you hardly ever comment there any more… and then spending all day, every day on here link whoring and doing tragic little dances to try to get whatever attention you can for your own site.

    Why does the heroic red-baiting author of TrueblueNZ lie to his own readers, Wedbaiter?

    Why are you telling them dirty bare-faced lies?

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  53. RRM (9,478 comments) says:

    I mean, I know there are only three of them… but you are telling them LIES Wedbaiter! LIES!

    How can you look at yourself in the mirror each morning?

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  54. Redbaiter (7,645 comments) says:

    RRM- “LYING is telling your own readers that Kiwiblog is a far-left sewer”

    FFS, as if this thread is not enough proof of the truth of that claim.

    I’ve wasted enough time right now on drooling gape jawed morons like you.

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  55. RRM (9,478 comments) says:

    I’ve wasted enough time right now on drooling gape jawed morons like you.

    You won’t / can’t deny that you have lied to your own readers on Truebluenz, claiming that you hardly ever come here any more when that is so self-evidently false? Noted.

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  56. RRM (9,478 comments) says:

    I suppose after more than a decade of being fundamentally dishonest about your entire political views – falsely claiming that you are for freedom and less government interference, when in reality you support conservative ideas like state-enforced suppression of freedoms for Homosexuals – after living a huge lie like that for so long, telling little lies about little things like your web browsing habits must come pretty easily to you?
    ;-)

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  57. Letterman (184 comments) says:

    Pete George: Yes, hard to know who to rely on I guess, especially if poll fidelity is not the same across the organisations. Craig does strike me as pretty tenacious, so if his success in business is anything to go by – I’m picking he will be there in 2014, although perhaps not by much? I expect that NZF Party Leader Winston Peters will once again be caught out by something he says or does by 2014; Epsom to say “enough enabling of ACT”; and some disaffected National voters to spread in all different directions. My goodness, it just seems to be so close most of the time in terms of the left / right bloc, doesn’t it?

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  58. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Redbaiter, I oppose socialism/communism with a passion and intensity that make you look mild. I do not just do this online, but in day to day life, even if it is to my detriment. I despise the evil ideology. In modern times it has eclipsed even religion in the misery, death and oppression it has caused. I regard it as a cancer of the intellect and believe those infected should be treated in much the same way as cancer cells.

    My views on homosexuals are very liberal, as are many of my views on many things. This has nothing at all to do with the political/social system of socialism. In fact one of the things I hate about communists regimes is the lack of liberty. Your approach is just as authoritarian as those you claim to oppose.

    Ranting about gays etc causes you to overlook common ground and ignore your allies.

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  59. big bruv (13,334 comments) says:

    “We didn’t vote for homosexual marriage, it wasn’t on the table, but we will get it under National using a private members bill as cover to advance the so called “progressive” agenda – progressive actually means degenerate BTW.”

    Degenerate?………I think the church has that one pretty much to themselves Andrei.

    Face it, most people in NZ do not share your bible based view of the world, nor do we want to be forced to live our life’s the way you want us to live them.

    Poofs will be allowed to get married Andrei, get over it. This is simply a sign that the majority of people in NZ do not agree with your prehistoric views.

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  60. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    So your soft on “Poofs” big bruv?

    You MUST be a communist.

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  61. big bruv (13,334 comments) says:

    Kea

    Anybody who does not read the bible everyday of the week is a commie according to Andrei, Bedwetter and the thoroughly nasty Lucia.

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  62. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Yes we all know that beliefs about religion, environment, education and weather are reliable indicators of how much of a gay commie poofter a person is.

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  63. eszett (2,337 comments) says:

    You’re not having fun, you’re desperately trying to regain the political ground you’ve lost.

    Yeah, clawing back that 1.5% is so essential. Desperation indeed.

    RRM, if I am as ineffective as you claim, why do you and a legion of like brain damaged commie losers spend so much time and put so much effort in to trying to discredit me?

    Discredit you? Why would anyone bother when you are doing such a fine job yourself.

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  64. Redbaiter (7,645 comments) says:

    Kea- “Your approach is just as authoritarian as those you claim to oppose.”

    OK you politically confused dickwad, here’s your big chance to prove you’re not just full of the usual empty commie shit, and the usual proclivity for baseless and cowardly smears, and to back up that allegation with a fact.

    Give me an example of where I am being as “authoritarian as the left”.

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  65. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Redbaiter: NO

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  66. Scott (1,710 comments) says:

    There are far more socially conservative people in the electorate than 1.5%. The fact of the matter is that gay marriage was not an election issue but has been foisted on us by the enthusiasm of the liberal media following the endorsement of same sex marriage by Obama. But Redbaiter is right. Both Labour and National are progressive and seem to be ignoring large sections of this nation who thought with the demise of Labour we were at the end of social engineering.

    But with youth unemployment at over 25%, youth suicide increasing, economic growth sluggish, people struggling to make ends meet,what is this government focussing on? Gay marriage! When good parents are being prosecuted because they smack their own children this government has not lifted a finger for them.

    John Key is Labour revisited. He was supposed to fix the economy,not continue more divisive social engineering. It was supposed to be the end of radical social engineering,it wasn’t what this government was supposed to be about. I believe he will pay a big electoral price and we are praying against him for he has surely lost his way.

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  67. nasska (10,699 comments) says:

    …”we are praying against him for he has surely lost his way.”….

    Poor bugger will be shitting in his boots. :)

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  68. Griff (6,848 comments) says:

    How may conservonutters are there?There are repetitive claims for this great army of conservative Christians who are going to smite the progressive liberals and vanquish us to the wilderness. Instead all the evidence points to bewilderedness of Christians who will squander their votes on cccp yet not even get 2%or a seat

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  69. my 2 cents (1,091 comments) says:

    Scott
    Maybe they have popped “gay marriage” out there to keep us occupied?

    Meanwhile we are in the shit and nothing is really being done structurally to fix it.
    How much of our outgoings have been cut?

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  70. RRM (9,478 comments) says:

    Wedbaiter:

    You want the STATE to continue offering fewer rights to gays than any other citizen.

    Could you be any more blind to your own Statism, which exceeds Labour’s?

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  71. Scott (1,710 comments) says:

    My 2 cents- quite agree. But why they want to distract themselves with gay marriage remains a mystery? I suspect the fawning of the liberal elite and the left wing media is turning John Key’s head.

    But yes-cutting government spending and getting our books back into the black must just be a little hard for this government. Time to placate the liberals-gay marriage! Then gay adoption! Then euthanasia! That will keep the liberals happy. Obviously the conservative National voter can go jump as far as John Key is concerned.

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  72. nasska (10,699 comments) says:

    Griff

    The religious nutters we share electrons with on this blog are not necessarily representative of practising NZ Christians, something we should be thankful about. In fact the fact that someone believes in God is about as good an indication that they are politically conservative as whether they belong to the local theatre group or bowling club.

    Whether Colin Craig’s fellow nutjobs poll 2% or head out the back door is only significant to a few sad bastards who find that living in 2012 is just too hard for them.

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  73. RRM (9,478 comments) says:

    And OH! how I love spelling his name Kolin Kwaig…. and noone ever comments on it, because his fans are the same people who’ve been swapping Cs in people’s names for Ks and Rs for Ws on here for YEARS, and congratulating themselves on their wit :-)

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  74. boredboy (250 comments) says:

    Well, I don’t expect we will have to worry about this clown for too much longer (in the greater scheme of things.)

    Going on the article from the other day, he has a total wealth of $5 million, including his $1.65 million home.

    His 2011 campagin cost him $1.88 million (the one where he got ~2% of the vote) so if you divide that out, less say another $500,000 between elections for polling, research, salaries, etc, working out to $167,000pa. we are looking at another two elections.

    I doubt National will set Epsom aside for him. They set John Banks up there last time and he scraped in by 6% of the electorate vote, one street’s worth of voters away from a spectacular own-goal. This is the electorate where Colin Craig’s candidate received a grand total of 342 votes which was reflected in the equally-dismal party vote result of 412, well below their ‘average party vote per electorate’ figure of around 650.

    All this is besides the fact that the single issue that moved him off the big black line at the bottom of the graph is marriage equality. Unfortunately for him, recent statistics showed that one of the demographics that support marriage equality more than others was the higher income earning bracket.

    If you look at the demographics of those who support marriage equality, you see a clear correlation between income and support: For those earning below $30,000, 56% support marriage equality; for people earning between $30,000 and $70,000, it’s 58% support; for those who earn between $70,000 and $100,000, its 68% and for those earning over $100,000, support for marriage equality sits at almost 70%. Two-to-one. I was unable to find the ‘average income’ for voters in the Electorate of Epsom but the proportion of households that earn over $100,000 is greater there than any other electorate.

    His opposition to asset sales won’t fly there.

    His lunatic religious views won’t fly.

    It’s a non-starter.

    I hope he continues though, I enjoy watching people pull apart his shonky polling and off-the-planet world-view. He would be better off burning it all.

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  75. Reid (15,981 comments) says:

    because his fans are the same people who’ve been swapping Cs in people’s names for Ks and Rs for Ws on here for YEARS,

    Er. Firstly you forgot the U for the E as in Hulun. (Bwahahahahahahaha, well done Reid, that was cwever.)

    Secondly you misunderstand, greviously misunderstand, the conservative mindset.

    Personally I’ve never seen Craig speak, not even on telly, I’ve never even heard an interview. I possibly might recognise him if I passed him in the street thanks to media photos, but I don’t know any of his policies. However you seriously misunderestimate his pulling power if, and it is a big if, he taps into a seminal issue. Of which there are plenty in the field of current possibility. There is a latent disquiet in conservative circles over Key’s Administration. A latent disquiet in politics works the same way a latent demand works in the field of product marketing.

    An example of latent demand from product marketing is vodka citron. Those of us who recall the period before flavoured vodka came on the market, recall there was no particular demand, no call no cry, for flavoured vodka. Yet as soon as it hit the shelves, globally, it became an instant success. It was latent because consumer survey after consumer survey never expressed that particular want, simply because the market didn’t know it would be fantastic. The market didn’t know what it didn’t know.

    In politics, that’s the field open to Craig and while he personally lacks charisma, all he has to do is find someone who has it to become the front and there are a lot of those, with integrity, and find the latent conservative itch, and he’s in, for sure.

    Ansell would be an ideal place to start looking for that and one would assume Craig has already been talking to him, for quite awhile.

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  76. Chuck Bird (4,688 comments) says:

    “Ansell would be an ideal place to start looking for that and one would assume Craig has already been talking to him, for quite awhile.”

    Ansell helped stuff up ACT with his anti-Maori rant. Do you think he could do the same for the Conservative Party? You do not hire a PR consultant who does not realise they job is to advise and they should accept the decision of who is paying them.

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  77. Redbaiter (7,645 comments) says:

    Conservatives at 8% in Herald poll-

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10833189

    Only 12 points behind the legacy party Labour.

    Even after the Progressive media (and blogosphere) have tried so hard to destroy Colin Craig,

    This is the trend the blinkered Labour/ National supporters are blind to.

    And it gives a lie to the claims of those who say that redefining marriage has majority support among NZers.

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  78. Pete George (22,868 comments) says:

    That’s a nonsense poll on a page headed “Conservative lifted by gay issue” and a virtual promo of CCCP with a mention of the rest of the poll as an afterthought at the end.

    And it’s very strange that ‘Other’ combined fails to register at all.

    Maybe not so strange, the poll was shonky – I voted early and it didn’t register, there were only 0-50 total votes and my vote didn’t change anything. Others on KB reported problems voting for ‘Other’ and getting errors.

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  79. Redbaiter (7,645 comments) says:

    Yet its seems to be pretty on target with what other professional pollsters have given the National Party.

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  80. Pete George (22,868 comments) says:

    RB, one party lining up with what other “professional pollsters” show, and most parties significantly different, doesn’t seem to be “on target”.

    It’s curious that you think this poll that’s presented alongside a virtual CCCP promotion piece is ok when you said of the far more scientific poll: “These polls are useless at measuring such small quantities.”

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  81. Redbaiter (7,645 comments) says:

    There’s a thousand arguments against your POV,

    (such as your claim that it is a promotion piece when the Herald clearly perceives Craig’s support for traditional marriage as damaging to his electoral prospects. They’re once again trying to portray Craig and his supporters as bigots FFS)

    ..but I’ve long ago learned it is completely pointless to make them to you.

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