Looking forward to the explanation on this one
September 17th, 2012 at 4:00 pm by David FarrarStuff reports:
Sir Ngatata Love offered to sell Wellington railway station to a would-be casino developer as his partner Lorraine Skiffington sought a $35 million consultancy deal on the same development.
Ms Skiffington offered to provide “strategic project management services . . . to ensure the successful progress of this development”, and also sought a “good faith” payment of $2.5m from Loizos Michaels, who was fronting the development group.
Michaels will face a fraud trial next month, on charges brought by the Serious Fraud Office.
Ms Skiffington proposed that, for her role in the development of a “major landmark hotel, convention and entertainment centre” at the railway station, she be paid:
A $4m signing fee.
$7m to secure ownership of the railway station, social hall and adjoining land on Waterloo Quay.
A two-year “operational budget” of $9m, including $1.125m on signing.
$7m to be paid directly to her for the “transfer of intellectual property”.
$8m for securing air rights above the station, including $2m up front.
I’m not going to comment on the legality of this, because the sheer greed and audacity is enough in itself. She wanted $8 million for “air rights” above Wellington Railway Station. I’m surprised she didn’t also ask $10 million for mineral rights beneath the building.
I see Barry Hart got struck off for over-charging his clients by a few thousand. He obviously did not think big enough.
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September 17th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
BAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHA
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
He should be stripped of his knighthood (granted for doing what?).
We’re witnessing the fall of another Maori royal, part of a selected elite which thrive on the generosity/stupidity of the state and the liberal’s guilt complex.
$8m for securing air rights above the station, including $2m up front.
Vote:That deserves an Oscar for creativity!
September 17th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
She didn’t ask for any money to cover wind rights? It is pretty windy down there isn’t it?
Vote:Sounds like they were going to get bargain.
September 17th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
They’re not afraid of breathtakingly big numbers, are they?
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
“Bruce Farquhar, lawyer for Sir Ngatata and Ms Skiffington, issued a brief statement in response to questions about the railway station development. “Given the current circumstances, our advice to Sir Ngatata and Ms Skiffington remains that, until the impending inquiry is concluded, they should not make any comment in relation to these matters,” he said.”
Vote:……..
Charge em good!
September 17th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Air rights aren’t that uncommon in property deals. Effectively it’s the right to build higher than the current building. If you wanted a multistory building where the train station currently is, you’d need air rights (if they weren’t already included in the sale).
My guess is that the proposition was to build on top of the train station, whilst keeping the station where it is. So you’d be paying someone (the govt, the council, Kiwirail – not sure who) for the right to build a casino above their train station. Of course that has a cost.
There look to be a fair number of things dodgy going on in here, the existence of air rights is not necessarily one of them.
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
The ‘elite’ have come to expect these things to come to them because the reality has been they have been given to them. They have only interpreteted the reality as it is. (And they also have no internal barriers to behaving like this of course).
Vote:Manolo (4.06 above) has it right when he describes it as due to “the generosity/stupidity of the state and the liberal’s guilt complex.” Which has been carefully engineered
Well we need a new reality don’t we. We need to change that.
September 17th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Let me take a wild guess …. Ms. Skiffington is a Maori ?
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
What do you mean DPF?….
waiting for an explanation. Hes was trying what i suspect is a fraudulent action which would be a criminal act should it have gone ahead.
Typical maori leader I suspect. I think they call them Komatua or similar……………….. more correctly called thieves I think.
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
All those Maori who think the Maori Council, the Maori King etc etc are fighting the good fight and pinning it to the white motherf&(##rs over water rights should have a long hard think about just who the Maori elite are really farming.
Sure, the Government has consistently proven to be a soft touch for Maori demands, and it’s long overdue that the Government grow some balls.
But the Maori elite are more than happy to roger their own people too in order to get the big houses, the nice cars and the flash underwear.
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Skiffington took a huge kickback/consultancy fee/koha for the Pipitea House development, which houses part of DPMC. Skiffinton previously worked as an advisor to Helen Clark. Is it possible that the Clark government steered some work to her?
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
There seeems to be an unspoken inference that Maori cannot sucumb to the same impulses (if any illegality is proven here) as us whiteys.
Meanwhile, proven liar John Banks is permitted to keep his postion and the accompanying baubles. And continue his attempts to dismember our top performing education system.
I find the relentless Maori bashing disturbing. It may be a pointer to National’s campaign strategy for the next election. Maybe Don Brash can be shoehorned into Epsom?
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
“Meanwhile, proven liar John Banks”
Penny…Is that you??
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Last week Deloitte released the first Australia-New Zealand report on corruption and bribery.
There is a perception that we are squeeky-clean in NZ but there little doubt Skiffington’s actions meet the definition of corruption.
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
It sounds like you can build anything you want in this town as long as you pay enough baksheesh to the local elite Maoris.
I presume these are those “Principles of the treaty of Waitangi” that we keep hearing about…?
Just give the Maoris millions for doing nothing. you know they deserve it.
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Perhaps you should seek the advice of Maryan Street, Luc – she was Labour Party president when Taito Philip Field was elected…
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Hey Luc Hansen @ 5.12
Why do you hate yourself so much ?
Can you pinpoint the time when your self hatred started ?
Is it guilt due to …when your mother caught you doing it to yourself ?
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
The construction costs to turn the Wellington station into a casino probably wouldn’t be much More than $35 Million. It’s already been earthquake strengthened..
Price up your project, then double that to pay off the Maoris so that they won’t object to the council about the cultural tikanga of the kaupapa of it.
What noble individuals.
Vote:What a proud culture.
What shameless corrupt f***ing scum.
September 17th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Quite right Luc.
I feel so RACIST now…
Everyone should just pay up without question. After all they deserve $35 million for doing nothing.
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
John Banks makes most Maori’s look like Angels.
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Oh well, if John Banks is corrupt too then we should just not worry about this.
Great set of standards you have there.
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Luc
Vote:Bashing disturbs you?
Try saying this
We find it disgusting that a culture in New Zealand bashes kids to death at 50 times the rate of the rest of us
September 17th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Come on guys! This is nothing new. I told you last week, the Abos tried on the same game in Perth, forty years ago.
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Has she done anything illegal?
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
David you appear to have misspelled the good lady’s name. It’s Lorraine Skimmington, don’t you know?
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Oh, did John Banks kill some kiddies?
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
This is quite telling, from the Stuff story:
Quite. Given Maori seem to be major “victims” of the whole casino/pokey phenomena, it seems odd that Ngatata would be negotiating, apparently in secret, to bring one to Wgtn. Or does it.
Imagine, just imagine, what the lefties would be screaming, sorry, scweaming right now, if the head of the Tenth’s Trust had been a pakeha. Instead, there’s complete silence. Not a peep.
I hypothesise this is because they all think Ngatata Love and his spouse are both victims. After all, it’s entirely understandable that if you’re a Maori you are by definition a mere babe in the woods, due to all the wacism that took place when you were being learned. How therefore could anyone except hateful vicious pakeha not understand the utterly understandable desire to simply recover lost ground, by making the odd $35m, $750k [what's next?] demand here and there, especially since it was all from “wich pwicks” who could afford it. I’m pretty sure Lorraine was planning to spread that $35m around to all the poor Maowi in Wgtn as well – she was probably planning on buying a boat for every single Maowi in Powiwua for example, so therefore even questioning it is, clearly, yet more outwageous wacism from the hated, vicious and unweasonable pakeha colonisers.
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
See:
Vote:http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1910/0040/latest/DLM177655.html
Secret Commissions Act 1910.
September 17th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
To lead them through the taniwha negotiations. QED. Doug graham would be proud of them.
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Oh Weid @ 6:42 pm you complete wascist pwick!
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
“Has she done anything illegal?” err do some peoples sycophanty have no bounds?
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Come on lefties, settle down.
The Hon John Banks MP has been through a thorough Police investigation, the end result is that they did not find any evidence to prosecute the man.
Now move along, there is nothing to see here.
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Add that to the list of alcohol, fast food, unemployment, imprisonment rates, drugs, gangs, crime, child abuse, etc. In fact, they are perennial victims of many things, but never their fault, of course.
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Prior to the palangi coming to NZ Maori children were taonga and treasured by their people.
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
rakuraku
dont you mean moari children of the same tribe
If they belonged to another tribe you were at war with they were treasured as a source of protein
nom nom nom burb
saying bullshit does not make bullshit true
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Yep. The young limbs were so tender.
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Of course they were! All those early accounts of routine infanticide were all made up…literate sealers and whalers, and remittance men – over a 30 or 40 year period – all conspired together to make up the same scurrilous stories!
Remarkable acheivement, pre internet, pre telephone…pre telegraph!
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
The amounts look like they all come from goo gaa land, but Loizos Michaels is charged with fraud, not the other parties. If it looks to good to be true… Be interesting to see what his angle was, an upfront payment to ‘release’ funds, bank account details – the mind boggles.
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
The expression snouts in the trough falls short of what is commonly known as Maori ant eaters. They can suck up everything they dig their snout into.
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
“He should be stripped of his knighthood ”
Actually I believe it’s for sale.
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Luc, It’s only Maori bashing if its not Maoris lying and attempting to commit fraud/blackmail. You must surely be a defence laywer for all the scum of this country and able to make any shiite smell like roses. Your comments actually say you defend and support attempted theft – what does that say about you.
Rather than say nothing you’ve jumped on the train of thought you support. Note -You are the only one supporting them. Everyone else here is disgusted by them and caren’t help but draw parallels with the situations constantly going on around them. But then again you also deny these are even happening. Again you swim strongly against the general tide of opinion. The imbalance of your view verses those posting here is also reflected in society where Mr and Mrs average are sickened by what is happening but a small vocal minority like you, tell them they are bigots, racists, non visionaries, guilty of ancient crimes etc if they dare to challenge the minority view we owe Maori everything.
Your next course of action is diversion – Get over Banksy. Yes he’s an idiot who bent the laws. Compared however to the past and current make up of Liabour, the gweens and maori he’s a saint (read Wisharts book on hulun “Absolute power” and see who should be held to account first). Nothing in here has been challenged in court. T Narchos also epitimised the gweens beautifully didn’t he?
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Yip, the Hells Angels.
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
John Banks may be a monkey to National, but he sure as hell ain’t like the Monkey Mob
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
That’s the thing with you Neolibs and Torries – Fine for John Banks to be corrupt, but as soon as a Maori enters any business transaction they’re a criminal.
I look forward to the day New Zealand progresses past Neolib and Tory philosophy.
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Ok – We had Banksy taking 50K from a fat German who bought 10′s of millions to our country which we all benefit from v’s the Maoris trying to scam $35 million from a developer and you want to hang Banksy.
Even worse you think Banksy is the only one who has ever done it. Didn’t they rule – no case to answer. Must admit, its got to be much harder for Liebour to break this rule of course as their biggest supporters are on the DPB or WINZ – shouldn’t this be the real crime.
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Maori would not be over represented in the bad statistics if they had to be compiled,on a percent ethnicity basis. But because of self identification the ones that don’t do well self identify as Maori,and the ones that do well self identify as nz or European. Thus cementing the iwi power base.
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
@ PaulL (4,805) Says:
“Air rights aren’t that uncommon in property deals. Effectively it’s the right to build higher than the current building. If you wanted a multistory building where the train station currently is, you’d need air rights (if they weren’t already included in the sale).”
It appears this was not for buying the actual air rights, but rather the fee to the ‘consultant’ for achieving this.
Disappointing to learn that these two individuals might have working to extract these kinds of sums for personal gain through apparent control of the assets of the people they were selected to represent. This is especially so given the man’s standing in the community as a JP, a professor and as a GNZM for services to Maori.
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
wtfunz@8.36 Yeah he took a donation and then lost the election so he had no power.
Kevin@8.42 yeah the working/honest Maori are too embarassed to call them selves Maori.
I spent this morning at the court house. What a fu*king eye opener!
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
luc banks pales compared to this bullshit. actually no white has taniwha leverage do they. maori need to be very careful.
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
In taumaranui the courthouse is next door to winz
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
pfft…. $35 million consultancy fee will just be muskets and blankets when they demand it back in the 2050
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Let us not forget the succession of white guys who, during the past year, have been sentenced to impressive jail terms for stealing hundreds of millions of dollars from hundreds of Pakeha investors. In other words, Maori are not the only perpetrators of corruption in this country, if that’s what the charges will be in the Wellington Railway Station case. Corruption is colour blind.
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
We’re not forgetting any of them maoriman, and I think you’ll find most of us are in favour of the law being colour blind.
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Thanks for reminding us of that maoriman, but we had not forgotten. I think most observers will be looking to see if the people involved in this receive similarly impressive sentences. Assuming there is any wrong doing.
Remember, its the double standard that inflames people to intemperance in these matters. They just want a fair deal for all and one law.
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/7530188/SFO-probes-deals-by-Tenths-Trust
You couldn’t make this stuff up. Perhaps she is only guilty of being too helpful.
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
When and islander beats a 78 year old Indian to death and gets only 3 years no one gives a stuff. When a whitey does a hit and run the system rightly moves heaven and earth to increase the sentence.
The result of this s.f.o. Investigation will be “no case to answer”
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
On the racism subtext, the question is whether race is relevant, or whether this is just run of the mill corruption. The suggestion to me is that this corruption was only possible because of a privileged position. And I think that is true. So that naturally calls into question whether that privileged position should exist.
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
I agree with maoriman amazingly. Crims are crims no matter what colour they are and they should be dealt with equally – none of this poverty or depraved on account of being deprived mitigating bullshit.
The mere existence of a priveledged position calls into question whether that ptiveledged position should exist -because it shouldn’t.
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
davidp
Figures….
Vote:September 17th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
PaulL
The problem is this level of corruption normally comes with the power to say “move on” to this kind of thing being blown wide open – but not so in this case. The place it shouldn’t exist is the place that has that sort of unfettered authority by virtue of our parliament essentially being completely unconstrained.
Vote:September 18th, 2012 at 6:49 am
I may be naive but if this story is true then this sort of graft is the crap we accuse third world countries of. clearly the DomPost are onto these two and it will be interesting to see how long the Serious Fraud office take to nail down the loose ends.
If the reports of the various points are true and that is a long way from being proven at this point Love is really being accused here of ripping off his own people through secret commissions and extortionate consultancy arrangements.
Vote:September 18th, 2012 at 6:53 am
On balance I don’t think this is about ‘Moari’. It is about opportunistic greed. A stereotypical perception that ‘Maori’ are opportunistic and greedy has been inserted into the story, and it is a sad reflection on many that this can get such rapid traction and cause such nasty sentiments to be expressed. Personally I think expressing nastiness purely on the basis of someone’s race is (let me check my dictionary – ah yes…) Racist.
To promote racism is a sad way to spend one’s precious time, but to identify and expose corruption is a wonderful use of it. But this isn;t about that is it? This is all about confirmation bias at work, and for cheap gratification.
Unfortunately, it only takes an ounce of negativity to yield a ton of ignorant approval, yet you will need a ton of positivity to encourage a bigot to shed even an ounce of their bias. So in my opinion, there is an element of racist dog-whistling going on here, simply because it is the easiest thing in the world to do if your forum is populated by racist ignorance. There’s a sort of Godwin’s law here isn’t there? As soon as you read a reference to ‘baby-killers’ you know the writer isn’t remotely interested in anything like balance. I work amongst and with Maori everyday, andI work amongst and with non-Maori everyday. On balance they are all the same in terms of generosity, bias, and opinion. People should grow up. No single race has a monopoly on ignorance.
Vote:September 18th, 2012 at 7:35 am
This is true and it’s the tip of the iceberg.
Vote:September 18th, 2012 at 7:48 am
If in this case a Maori person is ripping off the system they need to be held accountable likewise if the whiteman is ripping off the system they need to be held accountable.
The problem is in the judicial system there appears to be a two tiered system, take for example the Merchant Banker Hallwright who ran over the Korean in Auckland, if this person was Maori with multiple convictions he would have been whacked in the slammer which is the correct sentence.
Also the white collar criminals in the latest Finance Company Ripoffs most are getting home detention. The Maori Boy who steals the Pinky Bars from the local service station gets thrown in jail.
John Banks instructed Dotcom to write two cheques for $25,000.00, yet he can not remember this event and could not remember going to his home by helicopter for a special event. This does not set a very good example to the General Public especially from our ex-Mayor and one of the pillars of our society.
Vote:September 18th, 2012 at 8:04 am
I agree, but this is objective analysis – not the kind of bile that some consider passes for objectivity.
However, if we base our objective views on a negative perception, we are always going to be wasting energy arguing about the merits of those issues. Dragging out mythical or real individual examples does not discuss the issues of each case, and not to do so invites us consider ‘justice’ as lacking a lack of proportionality similar to the type Mr Garrett would propose under Three strikes.
The ‘two-tier’ argument is a case in point. If we are to argue that because of social issues some require more assistance then others, the two tier issue stands as a case in support trying to remedy that overall, rather than being an argument that we should overlook other criminal behaviours.
Vote:September 18th, 2012 at 8:19 am
Its about the system that allows such power into the hands of an unelected Minot to the benefit of only that minority
Vote:Few think that this is an isolated case koha and taniwha is now an common cost of development in this country
September 18th, 2012 at 8:29 am
The only time you hear about the rorts is when the back room compo deal falls down and they go public.
Vote:September 18th, 2012 at 8:46 am
@ rakuraku – but the difference is, the banker had no prior convictions – try comparing apples with apples.
Vote:September 18th, 2012 at 8:56 am
My understanding was that air rights come with the land you own. They’re quite commonly traded overseas and the most notable use of them in NZ was the New Market development where the air rights above the train line were sold thus enabling a new building to be built on Broadway. This is a very productive use of land that many people would otherwise consider unusable. If you own land in NZ you have air rights within limitations of what the local building laws allow. You can sell your air rights within these limitations. You would not require additional work to secure your air rights. There are no similar mineral rights however. You would need consent to mine for that.
Lorraine Skiffington sounds like a very greedy individual. This is her second mention within a fortnight of seeking outrageous consultancy fees. She was also the one who scuppered Pete Jackson’s Film Museum plans in Miramar when she required multi-million dollar consultancy fees for doing little other than abusing a privileged position.
Vote:September 18th, 2012 at 9:15 am
rakuraku: Please do identify a “maori boy who stole pinky bars from a service station [and did NOTHING else] and got thrown in jail” and I will send you a whole case of them.
That said, you certainly have a point. If the person who ran over the Korean was a Maori – with our without a record – it is very likely he would have got a custodial sentence. And the fact that Mr Hallwright didn’t is in my opinion, outrageous.
Lee C: And for you Sir, THREE cases of pinky bars if you can identify ONE “mythical” person I have referred to (You accuse me of “dragging out real or mythical individuals”) in any of my comments, here or elsewhere, on crime and criminals.
Vote:September 18th, 2012 at 9:30 am
Oh look, more about Lorraine Skiffington and money… This time the wharewaka on Wellington’s waterfront which doesn’t have any cultural purpose.
Vote:September 18th, 2012 at 10:04 am
wat dabney – 8pm – good one!
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Vote:September 18th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Rightnow – 10.09pm. You are spot on and we all know those scum bags have been bought to account and most now wear nice striped PJ’s. It will be interesting to see what happens to this set of con-natives. (my bet is nothing). What maoriman seems to miss is that he, and his cohorts, get all defensive when any scams featuring maori receive any ridicule. My message to him would be to suck it up and actually start to also demand that these idiots get weeded out. Maybe some acceptance of the facts will help stop the child beating, welfare bludging, court appearances and jail dominating habits of the past 50 years. Just a thought!
Vote:September 18th, 2012 at 11:36 am
Ooops, did I make an oblique reference to ‘Three Strikes’, and did it hit a nerve, Mr G? I think you must be starting to realise it’s a daft law built on a daft premise. I love to see existential ‘Bad Faith’ in action.
But seriously, Mr Garrett – I’m starting to question whether you can read. I didn’t accuse you of any such thing. The ‘pinky bars’ (and it’s hard to type this without smiling) reference was not mine directly. I was talking about the general merits of ‘proportionality’ in sentencing, and suggesting Three Strikes might promote a tendency to overlook proportionality if ‘blanket’ judgements are introduced. In a similar way that one might do if one were to try and overlook or over-punish another criminal’s wrongdoing on the basis of race, or suggest they should not be punished for similar reasons.
I can’t see how you came to the conclusion that I was ‘accusing’ ‘you’ of creating “mythical” people – I was suggesting to rakuraku that that might happen when we talk about ‘merchant bankers and maori boys’. So up until your rather fragile ego appeared to cause you to lose all reason (because I had the temerity to be a teensy bit critical of Three Strikes), it might be possible to suggest you were actually agreeing with me.
Mate – get over yourself. You may be starting to buy into some sort of delusion that everything is about you.
This is ‘Kiwiblog’ not ‘Garrett-blog’.
Either ask DPF if he needs any help moderating, or lay off the ‘pinkie bars’.
I enjoy our chats, we must do it again sometime.
Vote:September 18th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
It is sad to see that recent relationship breakdown between Maori and Non Maori is the worse seen for the last 40 years.
Vote:Racism as we know it is raising its ugly head to levels never seen before.
And it’s all about Money, nothing else.
The Maori elite continue to try and take the rest of the country to the cleaners.
The lower class Maori has seen nothing of the benefits some of the Maori elite live on, and never will.
They will continue to figure in child deaths, and poverty, with a continued high prison population.
The elite Maori could not care a damn, as they are alright Hone.
September 18th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
No mention of the Taniwha, there is always a Taniwha.
Probably still sleeping, but the construction should wake it up.
What is the going rate to put a Taniwha temporarily back to sleep?
Without the bribe money to put any objections on hold the project won’t proceed. The slaves will be sent out to protest the Taniwha will wake up wondering what all the commotion is about.
I am so over all this bullshit. Seriously MonKey grow a back bone.
Vote:September 18th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
I wonder if the Taniwha like Pinky Bars.
Vote:September 18th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Pinky Bar i It Sounds like a specialist venue in downtown Phuket.
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