More stupidity

September 2nd, 2012 at 12:08 pm by David Farrar

The HoS reports:

Conservative Party leader thinks is “too gay” for his Helensville seat and has said so in 20,000 letters to residents.

Pamphlets arrived in locals’ mailboxes this week, urging them not to back Labour MP Louisa Wall’s same-sex marriage bill. They were accompanied by a signed letter from Craig. It gave prominence to a comment from a disgruntled local: “Colin, you should stand here because John Key is too gay for Helensville.”

What sort of political moron would actually use a quote like that in a pamphlet they authorise?

“There are people out there who simply don’t like to see their Prime Minister doing things like dancing on stage with transvestites, as he has done in the past,” he said.

The crime is the dancing, not the company he dances with :-)

I note that in Helensville John Key got 26,011 votes and the 2nd placed candidate got 4,945. The Conservative candidate got 945.

 

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148 Responses to “More stupidity”

  1. bhudson (4,736 comments) says:

    Looks like Colin Craig has been taking PR advice from Redbaiter.

    Now this approach is really going to stand him in good stead with John Key and National, isn’t it?

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  2. Manolo (13,517 comments) says:

    Now this approach is really going to stand him in good stead with John Key and National, isn’t it?

    You know full well that the “principled” Labour lite will align itself with anyone to remain in power (not different from its socialist predecessor).

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  3. Kimble (4,443 comments) says:

    So where do we set the line for Conservative votes next election? 945? 800?

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  4. Nick K (1,195 comments) says:

    He is CONfusing ability with ambition: http://nominister.blogspot.co.nz/2012/09/colin-con-confusing-ability-with.html

    Or maybe he has been taking advice from senior party official, and serial John Key hater, Kevin Campbell: http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/01/john_the_jew.html

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  5. Pete George (23,416 comments) says:

    Whether “John Key is too gay for Helensville” is using a homosexual or non-homosexual meaning of the word ‘gay’ it’s still a very gay campaign by Craig ie “Slang: Often Disparaging and Offensive . awkward, stupid, or bad; lame: This letter is really gay.”

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  6. Brian Smaller (4,036 comments) says:

    Yes – i read it as the modern youth usage of “gay” as well – retarded, stupid.

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  7. Don the Kiwi (1,677 comments) says:

    Oh dear David.

    Your feathers are really becoming ruffled, aren’t they?
    Do you think it could have been a tounge in cheek reamrk?

    [If you repeat it verbally it is tongue in cheek. If you stick it on a pamphlet, print 20,000 of them, and deliver them to every home in the electorate it is not]

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  8. Shazzadude (525 comments) says:

    Winston’s really forced Craig to go desperate.

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  9. Shunda barunda (2,977 comments) says:

    What a bloody moron.

    bangs head against wall

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  10. Shunda barunda (2,977 comments) says:

    This sort of crap is exactly why I no longer participate in organised religion.

    It’s not because I don’t hold certain beliefs, it’s because it is impossible to advance as a human being under such an oppressive structure.

    Hence the title of my new book: “Jesus was not an ar$ehole, so why the f@ck are you?”

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  11. Alan Johnstone (1,087 comments) says:

    Why are the media bothering with this guy; he’s just another fringe nutter, just with money I guess.

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  12. thedavincimode (6,606 comments) says:

    Don Kiwi

    Tongue in cheek? You mean like everything else Craig says? Possibly, but the better view is stupid. What a tool.

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  13. thedavincimode (6,606 comments) says:

    Shunda, like the title.

    As Peter said: “As there were false prophets in the past history of our people, so you too will have your false teachers who will insinuate their own disruptive views …”

    He was onto something there, although I’ll bet he had no idea that two thousand years later there would be something called the internet and something else called Kiwiblog where the nutters would congregate to destroy the brand.

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  14. George Patton (351 comments) says:

    Shunda – quote of the day!

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  15. The Peanut Monster (19 comments) says:

    Even if he is using it in the “modern youth” context of gay, the man has just been travelling all over the countryside ranting about the gay marriage bill, the country is in the throes of talking about gay marriage, and he even refers to “dancing with transvestites”. If he didn’t mean it in the “gay=homosexual” sense, then the man lacks foresight and commonsense as well as tact.

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  16. kowtow (8,093 comments) says:

    I think John Key prancing around on a stage with trannies is very undignified.

    I recall much being made of Labour twits dancing at something or other and Greens too.

    So if it’s OK to make comment on Labour and Green making wankers of themselves then Craig can say the same of JK.

    Goose/gander.

    Or are some subjects off limits,protected identities and all that PC control bollocks?

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  17. Red Sam (122 comments) says:

    Good on you DPF for exposing Mr Craig and his extreme socially conservative views. It’s very hard to understand how Mr Craig’s mind (and folk of his ilk) operates.

    What’s this modern day youth usage of the term gay – stupid, retarded? In my work as a teacher, whenever I hear a student use the term gay in that context, I pull them up on it. I would urge every other teacher reading this comment to do the same. It’s an utterly offensive and derogatory comment.

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  18. nasska (11,065 comments) says:

    Shunda barunda

    You can’t miss. It will be a best seller.

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  19. rg (202 comments) says:

    Just as stupid are those who believe the Conservatives will replace ACT as a coalition partner.

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  20. eszett (2,389 comments) says:

    Just as stupid are those who believe the Conservatives will replace ACT as a coalition partner.

    Well, at least it seems that they will replace ACT as a source of amusement to us all.

    Does anyone have a scan of the pamphlet?

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  21. Ryan Sproull (7,092 comments) says:

    What’s this modern day youth usage of the term gay – stupid, retarded? In my work as a teacher, whenever I hear a student use the term gay in that context, I pull them up on it. I would urge every other teacher reading this comment to do the same. It’s an utterly offensive and derogatory comment.

    I have a Christian friend who used to do the same thing. I started using the word “Christian” in the same way around him and he quickly realised how ridiculous it was.

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  22. Sector 7g (241 comments) says:

    I thought DPF mentioned the other day it was important to be tolerant of others beliefs? Its a shame to see DPF is now (and has been for a while) only interested in character assassination of anyone who opposes his own view point on gay marriage.

    [DPF: Do not lie. I have not attacked Craig for being anti gay marriage. I have attacked him for putting out a pamphlet with a quote saying "The PM is too gay". If you can not understand the difference, then I am sorry]

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  23. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    “Why are the media bothering with this guy; he’s just another fringe nutter, just with money I guess.”

    What cave have you been living in?

    Colin Craig’s party got more votes in the last election than all other minor parties combined.

    “Fringe nutter” is just another left wing strategy for attacking anyone who tells the truth.

    Key deserves all the criticism he gets. He’s a progressive who doesn’t have a clue what the National Party originally stood for.

    He and the other 29 who voted for the extreme left lesbian Louisa Wall’s bill to discredit the institution of marriage should all fuck off and join their progressive allies in the Labour Party.

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  24. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    “Its a shame to see DPF is now (and has been for a while) only interested in character assassination of anyone who opposes his own view point on gay marriage.”

    Well said- its all the Progressives have done since this debate first began.

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  25. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    Colin Craig publishes the comments of one of his corespondents, and he’s a stupid political moron.

    David Farrar publishes the comments of many of his correspondents, and he’s Fomenting happy mischief.

    [DPF: Wow are you diving off the deep end. If I took a comment someone made on Kiwiblog, stuck it on a pamphlet, printed 20,000 copies, and got them delivered - then you would have a comparison]

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  26. iMP (2,349 comments) says:

    Seems like DPF has started taking Whaleoil pills and gets nauseous every time CC says anything. Dozens of other examples of “gay” being used in diff. contexts by media elsewhere which is now common parlance. After all Gay-dom appropriated “gay” [homosexual"] and eventually Gen. Y re-appropriated it back ["lame"]. 1-all.

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  27. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    Sector 7g – Quite so. Liberals seem to be running out of objective campaigns, and have now accelerated the subjective attacks: You conservatives can be free, until you think, believe and behave like me. Quite illiberal, but there you have it.

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  28. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    One thing about this debate its made a lot more people aware of the methods and strategies the left uses to control debate in this country, wherein all who challenge or question Progressive orthodoxy are immediately portrayed as outliers.

    Progressives are just authoritarians who demand strict obeisance to their socially destructive tenets and are generally too under-educated to even understand what they perceive as their beliefs.

    This is why they must shut down opposition. Not only do they lack arguments, in the main, they do not even possess the ability to articulate them if they had them.

    It all starts in the indoctrination camps euphemistically called “public schools” where thinking outside the progressive square is an offense punishable by ostracisation.

    The old time Soviets with their gulags and kangaroo courts and secret police could learn a lot from the much more sophisticated and productive methods used by their modern day brothers the Progressives.

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  29. nasska (11,065 comments) says:

    Most of Colin Craig’s opinions, or at least the ones he has expressed so far, lag about forty years behind mainstream NZ. In the circumstances I think we can safely discount a “Gen Y” interpretation.

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  30. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    Nasska – You know how old the disgruntled local is?

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  31. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    “Most of Colin Craig’s opinions, or at least the ones he has expressed so far, lag about forty years behind mainstream NZ.”

    Completely wrong.

    In fact that’s the state of your views and most others within the euphemistically entitled “Progressive” sector, given that the ideas they cling to have their origins in the now defunct Soviet Union of the 1950’s.

    Conservatism (being revived) is the new wave and has momentum as more and more people come to realise it is the faulty liberal/ progressive ideas such as espoused by retarded cave dwelling idiots like you that are behind most of the country’s large number of social ills.

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  32. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    iMP-

    Don’t dance to their tune. That’s why we have been losing for so long.

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  33. nasska (11,065 comments) says:

    krazykiwi

    No idea but I suggest that, unlike the comparison you made at 1.46pm, his/her opinion would be similar to that of CC.

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  34. MT_Tinman (3,092 comments) says:

    Brian Smaller (3,718) Says:
    September 2nd, 2012 at 12:27 pm
    Yes – i read it as the modern youth usage of “gay” as well – retarded, stupid.

    I’ve never heard of this “modern youth usage”, neither, I suspect have modern youth nor the CCCP.

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  35. kowtow (8,093 comments) says:

    red sam/ryan sproul

    teacher’s as PC ideologues

    Teachers would be better off getting every kid in this country to read 1984. They’d then see what was going on .

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  36. PaulL (6,013 comments) says:

    @Manolo. National ruled out NZ First before last election. Why would they not rule out the Conservatives if they form the opinion that associating with them harms’s National’s long term brand?

    @Shunda – yes!!!

    @Peanut Monster. I doubt he’s using gay in the slang sense. He thinks it’s embarrassing to be dancing with transvestites. Reminds me of a guy I work with that was surprised I was dancing with one of the gay guys at a work function. We were dancing in a group, the girls went to get drinks. So two guys dancing. I pointed out I’d been dancing with him in the same situation about half hour before. Apparently it’s different. Its just stupid and narrow minded.

    @rg. Agree. Not enough NZers are that bigoted to get a decent share of the vote. And being that bigoted turns off too many people. Not much breakout potential. Unless they could pull in the Muslim vote. :-)

    @Ryan. Waste of time trying to change language. The more you complain the more people do it. I agree with iMP.

    @KrazyKiwi. There’s a difference between hosting a blog that people comment on and repeating stupid comments and endorsing them. Or are you saying that DPF agrees with Redbaiter just because he let’s him post his driveling on here?

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  37. Colville (2,235 comments) says:

    If Craig can learn to engage brain before speaking he has a good chance of a decent showing in 2014 in my view.
    He got 2.65 % of the vote after a few months campaign and I would think draw a chunk of traditional LP voters in the religious PI’s if he is well marketed.

    Will the NP do a deal on a seat for the CCCP like they do for ACT?

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  38. tom hunter (4,643 comments) says:

    Permit me to introduce an idea that may be too cynical and/or conspiratorial.

    In 2014 the Key-led National party will likely win the most votes and seats of any party. It’s hard to see Labour getting its act together before then, even on personnel, let alone policy. Still, it’s likely that National will lose ground, as is almost always the case with two-term governments.

    Johnboy is therefore going to need a coalition partner. The Maori party may still be there; there is the ever-present possibility of the ‘Tory Sellouts’ meme finally catching hold, not to mention Pita and Tariana retiring, with a consequent loss of mana leading to the party dissolving back into Labour, or possibly Mana? However, let’s assume that the Maori Party are still there and likely to go with National once more.

    One more party and their seats are thus needed. Act are dead! Winston may still be viewed as toxic by Key – and should be from the point of view of having a government that works and possibly wins again in 2017.

    What better way to resolve this problem than “allowing” socially conservative National voters to get pissed off and leave for the Conservative Party. The jingoism of nationalist economic policy might also pull votes away from Winnie. One can still play the liberal card to soft-left voters and when it’s time for coalition discussions where will the Conservatives turn other than National? They either join or allow some soft-left government to take power, a government which will continue pushing down all the liberal-social lines they hate, plus plenty of Green nuttiness on the economic front. It would likely take only one election like that to screw the Conservative party as voters rush back to National in our endless game of political yin and yang.

    And what better way to enrage such voters and push them into the arms of the Conservatives than to endlessly push fringe issues such as gay marriage, while using the exact same issue to weaken Labour. Oh sure, in 2014, they’ll be the usual anger on all sides as National and the Conservatives compromise to form a government – but Key can wring his hands in public and claim that the Conservatives prevent him doing any more actions like this, while Colin can appease his voters by claiming that they’ve stopped the rot, while being unable to rewind the past.

    And DPF is viewed as a subtle and cunning political strategist!

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  39. Luke Mutton (247 comments) says:

    krazykiwi (8,363) Says:
    September 2nd, 2012 at 1:46 pm
    Colin Craig publishes the comments of one of his corespondents, and he’s a stupid political moron.

    His religious views make that self evident.

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  40. Viking2 (11,334 comments) says:

    Peace and quite and civility reigned until Craigs rantings get mentioned and then …. Along comes Mr Conservative Progressive himself. (well I think that’s what he is this time round), redbaiter of I’m changing the world fame.
    Next we will have him teaming up with the neo liberal hater.
    Well they both don’t seem to like themselves that much, a view I’d probably concur with.

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  41. nasska (11,065 comments) says:

    tom hunter

    Best long term game plan I’ve read so far. I hope you’re right.

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  42. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    Good theory Tom, but I think John Key gets most of his political ideas from his wife’s reading of the letters to “New Idea” or “Woman’s Weekly”.

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  43. iMP (2,349 comments) says:

    I’ve never understood why homosexuality is so “progressive” its as old as “the first vocation” older than organised religion and therefore more archaic if we’re going there.

    Colville and Tom Hunter. Of course National will court the Conservatives, regardless of whether CC beats JK up with constituency discontent. Here is a detailed article on the seat accommodation possibilities for 2014:

    Nats a Third Term? Likely Nat 2014 ‘accommodations’
    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2012/08/14/nats-a-third-term-likely-nat-2014-accommodations

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  44. krazykiwi (9,189 comments) says:

    There’s a difference between hosting a blog that people comment on and repeating stupid comments and endorsing them.

    Of course they are different. Why is the publisher of printed material accused stupid, moronic ‘endorsement’, while a blog host is not?

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  45. Viking2 (11,334 comments) says:

    In a separate complaint, she is accused of offering to perform a sex act with a male subordinate during a business trip to Bogota, Colombia.

    Is this something the Democrats teach as part of the political process?

    Sex allegations draw resignation
    A senior Obama administration political appointee and longtime aide to Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano resigned Saturday amid allegations of inappropriate sexual behavior lodged by at least three Immigration and Customs Enforcement employees.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/7596627/Sex-allegations-draw-resignation

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  46. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    Senile.

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  47. Aredhel777 (286 comments) says:

    “What’s this modern day youth usage of the term gay – stupid, retarded? In my work as a teacher, whenever I hear a student use the term gay in that context, I pull them up on it. I would urge every other teacher reading this comment to do the same. It’s an utterly offensive and derogatory comment.”

    Oh please, get off your high horse and find some other cause to fight for. Nothing irritates me more than people who actively look for ways to show how progressive and enlightened and tolerant they are by criticising others over nothing.

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  48. Seán (397 comments) says:

    It’s not as stupid as you think David. Craig is not aiming to be the major party in a governing coalition come 2014, but rather he wants to be in parliament, maybe even he hopes to be a minor coalition partner. He needs a few more % for this, it should be obvious what niche he is targeting. I thought you’d know better.

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  49. nasska (11,065 comments) says:

    krazykiwi

    Reality check please.

    Although I wouldn’t use the words “stupid, moronic endorsement”, lest I risk lowering myself to ‘redbaiters’ level, it is not an unreasonable opinion. Would you or anyone with a valid claim to sanity bankroll twenty thousand pamphlets & sign an attached letter if you didn’t agree with the contents of either?

    The blog host only needs to have a belief in uncensored free speech.

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  50. Scott (1,759 comments) says:

    I wonder whether there will be an electoral backlash. Who knew that the leader of the National party would allow the passage of a gay marriage bill? As I have often stated I suspect gay marriage would be an extremely low priority amongst most National voters and anathema to some.

    Perhaps he is too gay for Helensville? I hope that is so. National should pay a price for what is electoral betrayal in my opinion.John Key campaigned as the guy who would fix the economy and get people back to work. Now he is championing gay marriage. Yes I know he didn’t introduce the bill but with out his support it would have died in the ditch.

    It was supposed to be the end of social engineering. I hope and pray that the National party either repents of this wickedness or faces the electoral oblivion it deserves.

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  51. iMP (2,349 comments) says:

    How can a teacher chastise students for using the word “gay” in the sense of “lame” after not issuing a rebuke from the Eng. dept to the gay community for making it mean “homosexual” when it meant “happy”. I mean, language is fluid and expresses the sentiments of the people and changing culture. “wicked” now means “awesomely good.” That teacher is a bit precious (which does’t mean ring).

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  52. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    Aredhell777- unfortunately the author of that comment is just the kind of vicious progressive scumbag who should not be within a light year of our schools.

    Using a totally subjective judgment (“offensive and derogatory”) to bully and shape the views of children and in doing so completely usurping the role of parents.

    A good example of everything that is wrong with our education system, where Wellington Central Control puts its evil Progressive dictates out to every teacher’s college and every education facility in the country in its sick obsession with destroying our traditional culture and replacing it with the new “enlightened” and “approved” model.

    Real education of course comes a distance second to this destructive and totally misguided objective.

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  53. Viking2 (11,334 comments) says:

    Redbaiter (577) Says:
    September 2nd, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    Senile.

    Hmm. you said it and most of us would agree with your self diagnosis.
    :mad: :lol: :roll:

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  54. Sofia (849 comments) says:

    Aredhell777 – note that in Britain, 2006, that gays, with a touch of gayety, used a campaign slogan ‘Homophobia is gay’.
    After more than six years of usage you are trying to stop school kids saying it, when gays themselves use it?

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  55. kowtow (8,093 comments) says:

    Bigger picture and the language police.

    I think it was Chester Burrows on Back Benchers ,he objected to the neo gay use of the term “heroes”. His heroes were police ,fire etc. By golly did he get howls of disapproval from the assembled progressives.

    Gay,pride,rainbow,hero; all terms that have been “appropriated” and elevated to a protected status.Dare anyone object and you’re a “homophobe”.Another term invented to prevent free speech.

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  56. tom hunter (4,643 comments) says:

    In my work as a teacher, whenever I hear a student use the term gay in that context, I pull them up on it. I would urge every other teacher reading this comment to do the same. It’s an utterly offensive and derogatory comment.

    Muhahahah

    I first heard kids using the word ‘gay’ in this context about a decade ago and it appears to have spread far and fast. I have no idea where it came from or why and the kids probably don’t either. It’s just one of those endless quantum bubbles that language has always generated. But given the ‘gay’ community took possession of the word several decades ago in a far more deliberative and provocative manner (“offensive”, derogatory”, sniff!) I would say that turnabout is fair play.

    Your admonitions are deeply funny in the historic context of the mutability of language. Students have always enjoyed tweaking their teachers by developing their own codes and popular youth culture has always buried the hysterical shrieks of outrage from authority figures like you.

    In fact, as an undoubted very-left, left-winger, I’d be willing to bet that in your life you have gleefully indulged in exactly that sort of thing – only now you’re on the receiving end. In short, fucking diddums you old fuddy duddy! Now it’s you and the rest of the left-wing hoisting your skirts to stamp on the table and scream with outrage about how ‘offensive’ and ‘derogatory’ something is. Brilliant!

    It would seem appropriate to link your squeal to this article by George Will in the WaPo: Liberalism, as we know it, wherein he describes the increasingly reactionary stance of so-called liberals or progressives on any number of issues – but the last line is you to a tee:

    When did peculiarly named progressives decide they must hunker down in a defensive crouch to fend off an unfamiliar future? Hoover Dam ended the lower Colorado River as we knew it. Rockefeller Center ended midtown Manhattan as we knew it. Desegregation ended the South as we knew it. The Internet ended . . . you get the point.

    In their baleful resistance to any policy not “as we know it,” progressives resemble a crotchety 19th-century vicar in a remote English village banging his cane on the floor to express irritation about rumors of a newfangled, noisy and smoky something called a railroad.

    I know that’s not your self-image, but increasingly it’s your public one – and the kids know it.

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  57. Seán (397 comments) says:

    tom hunter – enjoyable comment. look forward to future ones.

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  58. Viking2 (11,334 comments) says:

    In their baleful resistance to any policy not “as we know it,” progressives resemble a crotchety 19th-century vicar in a remote English village banging his cane on the floor to express irritation about rumors of a newfangled, noisy and smoky something called a railroad.

    I know that’s not your self-image, but increasingly it’s your public one – and the kids know it.

    Tom, are you describing Red? Cause if you are its exactly right.

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  59. Alan Johnstone (1,087 comments) says:

    @redbaiter

    “Colin Craig’s party got more votes in the last election than all other minor parties combined.”

    Are New Zealand First and the Greens no longer considered minor parties ??

    Also I can’t work out any combination of all other minor parties his vote share exceeded, more than Act and UF, yes. But if you add Maori andante then no.

    Id guess a fair number of people that voted for him then wouldn’t now. He’s just a younger Winston peters without the sun ran, political nous and speaking talent. More money though. It’s fringe economic nationalism with a unhealthy dose of the “thou shall nots” tossed in for good measure.

    Fringe nutter that will never go anywhere because he can always be relied on to tell the “truth” as he see it.

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  60. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    I think you Neolibs should remember Craig and the Conservatives are likely to be your 2014 coalition partner.

    Key may even gift Craig a seat.

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  61. Viking2 (11,334 comments) says:

    Some reality for this afternoon.
    NZ Native Falcon

    http://gewius.com/new-zealand-falcon/

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  62. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    The Native Falcon is a beautiful bird.

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  63. Griff (7,195 comments) says:

    bwaaaaaaahahahahahahahahhah
    hahhahahhahhaha
    Fundie leader Colon Craig
    as gay as it gets

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  64. Reid (16,174 comments) says:

    I think you Neolibs should remember Craig and the Conservatives are likely to be your 2014 coalition partner.

    And why do you think that would be a bad thing?

    PS: I’ll continue last night’s conversation on GD Hamnida.

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  65. SPC (5,531 comments) says:

    The term gay for homosexual derived from the initials of “good as you” – and is of an equality claim. The more recent use of the word gay, for stupid or lame, may relate to “you may be equal but you’re stupid and your behaviour is lame”.

    Colin Craig campaigned as a fiscal conservative and yet promised no tax on income up to the minimum wage and promoted a huge tax cut for those over 65 as the reason why they should vote for his party. Now that is gay.

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  66. Matthew Hooton (128 comments) says:

    DPF asks: “What sort of political moron would actually use a quote like that in a pamphlet they authorise?”

    Answer: Someone aiming for 4-5% of the vote. And I am sure it will be a very effective tactic.

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  67. Shunda barunda (2,977 comments) says:

    I really like the idea of a conservative party, but Colin Craig is not the guy to run it.

    Quite frankly, I see him as just as much a problem as the extreme left, he has no strategy, is out of touch with how the public perceive him, and frequently gaffs opportunities.

    He needs to shut up about homosexuality, all he is doing is driving people to the left in a rush of sympathy and outrage.

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  68. Shunda barunda (2,977 comments) says:

    Answer: Someone aiming for 4-5% of the vote. And I am sure it will be a very effective tactic.

    The religious right never block vote in this country, Colin would do far better taking a sensible conservative line and broadening his appeal, there are plenty of issues he could champion if he had his head switched on instead of his hard on for gay men.

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  69. Johnboy (15,876 comments) says:

    Am I the only fellow who can see the irony in the statement:

    John Key is too gay for Helen’s Ville! :)

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  70. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    “He needs to shut up about homosexuality, all he is doing is driving people to the left in a rush of sympathy and outrage.”

    An assertion that could do with some substantiation.

    Got any?

    My own view is that he will gather more support for his willingness to challenge the would be totalitarian Progressives.

    NZ desperately needs people/ politicians willing to speak out against their cultural tyranny.

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  71. Reid (16,174 comments) says:

    Am I the only fellow who can see the irony…

    You’ve always been one of a kind Johnboy.

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  72. SPC (5,531 comments) says:

    Winston Peters, Peter Dunne and Colin Craig each demonstrate the limitations of parties dominated by one person – but at least 2 of the 3 were exerienced politicians before they went out alone.

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  73. Johnboy (15,876 comments) says:

    As opposed to say Wussel or Rob or Meteria whatever that went it alone without a real mandate! :)

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  74. Reid (16,174 comments) says:

    I think what Craig needs to start talking about is economics.

    That’s going to become the thing on many people’s mind in the next few years. The GFC hasn’t even started – well, we’re at the end of the beginning basically, but the EU and US quelle horreur hasn’t registered yet, neither globally nor here but it will, v soon, as in, by early 2013.

    Craig needs to position himself as not just a social conservative, social issues while emotive don’t get vast traction here. Race issues do, and economic issues do, but not social. Possibly part of our egalitarian (anti-class) attitudes we eschewed when we left “the mother country.”

    Economics are going to hit big-time. But right here right now, the Waitangi water issue is prime ground for Craig to capitalise on. He could go nuts with that and it would resonate like crazy. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10831075

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  75. Johnboy (15,876 comments) says:

    Winning an electorate seat at least gives you some credibility as opposed to posing for the slightly deranged! :)

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  76. Johnboy (15,876 comments) says:

    Hell I am almost suspecting you may be a sheepherder too reid! :)

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  77. Viking2 (11,334 comments) says:

    Reid (11,492) Says:
    September 2nd, 2012 at 6:14 pm
    Econonmics needs talking about.

    That’s going to become the thing on many people’s mind in the next few years. The GFC hasn’t even started – well, we’re at the end of the beginning basically, but the EU and US quelle horreur hasn’t registered yet, neither globally nor here but it will, v soon, as in, by early 2013.

    From my reading today I have to agree. China is odds on for a hard hard landing which will cause dissension and it to sell their pile of US debt cheap. The steel price has dropped in the last few weks as has the iron ore price which is now below $90 per tonne. No demand for steel. aussie is next despite the crap their politico’s talk.
    Its just ain’t not pretty.

    We cannot escape the fallout no matter how much milk or wood we produce.

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  78. SPC (5,531 comments) says:

    Johnboy, Greens emerged out of Values, they are a party and have never been a one person vehicle.

    If winning a seat was credibility, well that idea died during a tea party and now parties will not be able to build on such a base – not unless they reach the threshold – and doing that election after election establishes credibility.

    Reid, one person is not sufficient for developing an economic policy.

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  79. DJP6-25 (1,341 comments) says:

    tom hunter 2:25. That sounds like a plausible scenario.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  80. Johnboy (15,876 comments) says:

    They have never been a “One person” vehicle SPC because none of the useless fuckwits could win a seat! :)

    Are you really trying to tell me that if Genetic had got Coromandel she wouldn’t have levered in a few more tossers like her?

    Give me a bloody breath lad! :)

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  81. Reid (16,174 comments) says:

    Reid, one person is not sufficient for developing an economic policy.

    Didn’t say it was SPC. I said he needs to start talking about it, and if he knows anything about business he’ll get traction since he’s the only clean skin in the political game. All the others have been tainted by their own mentalism over the years. And anyway, discussing the correct economic policies to conservatives is a piece of piss. Every single one of those over 40 knows what the correct thing to do is and even many of the over 30’s also knows.

    But you’re right, another thing he needs to do is start showing that it’s not the Colin Craig party and he needs to start wheeling out a few others, who also talk sense.

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  82. SPC (5,531 comments) says:

    Johnboy, the Greens always had co-leaders and policy was determined by the party, not one person with a seat or money.

    Reid, I think Craig is personally tainted as a fiscal conservative. He did not even cost the offer of no tax up to the minimum wage income, but did promote it as a way to boost the incomes of those on super (net average wage went up by a large amount each week), let alone reduce tax on at least some of their other income to zero.

    He needs someone to either appoint a economic policy spokesperson with clean hands or develop a party committee to develop policy – otherwise the political desire to win votes corrupts policy (as with Muldoon when he was PM and Finance Minister).

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  83. Colville (2,235 comments) says:

    Which is better for CCCP to come out with.? Hardline against welfare or cuddle up a bit to the brown skinned religious voter?

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  84. Johnboy (15,876 comments) says:

    Bollocks SPC. The Greens would have adopted big oil if Genetic had got Coromandel with the help of BP say.

    You are a very naive fellow if you believe that principles outweigh power around the negotiating table.

    Everyone has their price SPC. It will be interesting to see what the Greenie price is if either of the major parties ever find it necessary to include them in a Government! :)

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  85. SPC (5,531 comments) says:

    You’re confusing Greens with another party/parties (tobacco, racing, fishing) and then confusing internal party decision-making with deal making with other parties.

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  86. Johnboy (15,876 comments) says:

    Not at all SPC I am confusing real-politik with real-politik after removing my rose tinted shades.

    I suggest you do the same! :)

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  87. Rightandleft (658 comments) says:

    Red Sam,

    Referring to the use of the term ‘gay’ in the slang sense, I think it is just a generational thing. I mean generation Y is the most gay-friendly generation in history, by far the most accepting of gay lifestyles and gay marriage. I remember we first started using the term ‘gay’ to mean bad when I was in primary school in the mid-late 90s. By high school we knew actual gay kids and when we used the term we never meant to deride them. It’s just another meaning for the word.

    Now I am a teacher and I don’t waste my breath telling kids off for using the word that way. I’ve seen more than a few openly gay and lesbian students using the term ‘gay’ in exactly that way. It’s the way the word is used that makes the difference. If it is being used to describe a person in a negative way, then it is a problem, otherwise it’s just a word.

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  88. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Election night 2014 – Tory Party 42%, NZ First 4%, Conservatives 4%. What to do?

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  89. nasska (11,065 comments) says:

    ….”Election night 2014 – Tory Party 42%, NZ First 4%, Conservatives 4%. What to do?”…..

    Probably cancel the airline reservations to Australia made when we thought there might be a chance of a government that included the Greens.

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  90. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    Hamnida- how about you stop referring to the liberals and progressives of the National Party as “Tories”.

    They are about as far from a traditional Tory as you can get and not be a commie.

    Progressivism is the opposite of Conservatism.

    If the National Party were actually Tories they might have a skerrick of political worth.

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  91. Chuck Bird (4,819 comments) says:

    Red Sam, do not be so gay

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  92. Griff (7,195 comments) says:

    Form a minority government
    how long do you think winnie or the fundie party would last in government with the greens or manaless
    happens all the time in other country’s might be a little hard to get any controversial policy’s aproved but national would still govern

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  93. Tauhei Notts (1,672 comments) says:

    Shunda,
    My wife has instructed me to buy a copy of your book. Please advise your planned book launch day.
    She has sometimes thought of using your book title when speaking to me.

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  94. Nick K (1,195 comments) says:

    Election night 2014 – Tory Party 42%, NZ First 4%, Conservatives 4%. What to do?

    If that’s the result then both NZ First and the CONs won’t be anywhere near parliament and Catherine Delahunty will be minister of Maori Affairs.

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  95. big bruv (13,656 comments) says:

    So according to Bedwetter Colin Craig is going to stand in Helensville and thrash John Key at the next election?

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  96. Mark (1,462 comments) says:

    The gay marriage vote is a blow to the aspirations of Colin Craig and his conservative party. NZ is naturally a more liberal society than the bible belters that Colin Craig models himself on. There seems little hope for a Christian right conservative party in NZ. The policy platforms whilst conservative in origin are perceived as fringe nutjob policies by the average kiwi.

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  97. BlairM (2,310 comments) says:

    Craig is going after the votes of stupid people. There are enough of those in New Zealand to affect the results of an election, and if National want to keep in power, we on the right should be a little bit nicer to him, and perhaps give him some advice so that he doesn’t make the amateur errors we see in letters like this.

    Besides, I still maintain that nothing Craig has ever said is as ridiculous as his policy of banning foreign investment in New Zealand.

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  98. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    DPF – you are starting to show more and more signs of being as unhinged as some over at the Standard – All emotion and religious type beliefs.

    You need to get more rational. Remember you wroteoff NZF before the last election…………..

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  99. RRM (9,745 comments) says:

    ;-) Good on ya Colin!
    Keep doing what you’ve been doing. It’s AWESOME!

    Hugs and kisses,

    The fag-enabling left.

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  100. nasska (11,065 comments) says:

    I’m forced to agree with RRM on this one. Another year or two of Colin’s campaigning will stir up enough backlash to ensure that homosexuality is made compulsory.

    Think it unlikely? It’s the Left & it’s what they do!

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  101. RRM (9,745 comments) says:

    Wedbaiter:
    My own view is that he will gather more support for his willingness to challenge the would be totalitarian Progressives.

    NZ desperately needs people/ politicians willing to speak out against their cultural tyranny.

    Tyranny? My, what a big word for such a little boy to be uttering! :-)

    Tyranny would be making homosexuality compulsory, then having the state hold you down while I penetrate you from behind.

    Squeal, boy! Squeal like a little pig! :lol:

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  102. LabourDoesntWork (287 comments) says:

    “but at least 2 of the 3 were exerienced politicians before they went out alone.”

    Pfft. I’d trust a random name from the phonebook more than any experienced politician.

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  103. Ryan Sproull (7,092 comments) says:

    Tyranny would be making homosexuality compulsory, then having the state hold you down while I penetrate you from behind.

    Squeal, boy! Squeal like a little pig!

    Hey, not funny.

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  104. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    “Hey, not funny.”

    No, but Farrar lets this arsehole say almost anything because he’s left wing.

    I (or any other Conservative) would have 200 demerits by now.

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  105. kowtow (8,093 comments) says:

    mark @1124

    “…NZ is naturally a more liberal society……”

    Depends how one defines that. Any time our political masters ,be they in Wellington or local issues, allow the people a say in referenda,we don’t seem that “liberal ” at all.

    Crime referendum,anti smacking referendum,maori board referendum Nelson,Orewa speech opinion polls.

    This vote was driven by narrow interests and the Youth section of the National party must hae had a hand in it. Another liberal political elite out of touch with the electorate.

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  106. RRM (9,745 comments) says:

    Wedbaiter:
    Farrar lets this arsehole say almost anything because he’s left wing.

    Yeah, it must be it’s because I’m left.

    Or maybe it’s because I don’t constantly berate our blog host, making the most intemperate potty-mouthed ranting little tirades against him (and his other readers) all day long, while at the same time whoring links to my own page all over his site?

    Just a thought?

    (Actually the only thing that makes you slightly better than Phil Ure with regards link whoring is that you presumably pay for your site that you constantly whore about links to all over here. Your lack of shame astonishes me.)

    When you’re ready to start acting like a grown-up, you’ll be treated like one. In the meantime, go and put your nappy in the bucket, and I’ll get you a clean one in a minute.

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  107. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    Even under the burden of Farrar’s bias, I can with plain logic decimate you and your gang of ignorant uneducated progressive and cowardly scum anytime I choose.

    (That Farrar lets you and your ilk dominate and set the mood of this site is his choice and his loss. Frankly it makes contributing at Kiwiblog like swimming in a sewer.)

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  108. RRM (9,745 comments) says:

    And yet you keep “swimming in the sewer.” You poor, suffering, heroic wee petal.

    Commenting and link whoring on here isn’t compulsory, just like gay marriage won’t be.

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  109. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    And yet you keep “swimming in the sewer.”

    Yep.

    If it didn’t piss extreme left cowards like you off so much I probably wouldn’t be bothered.

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  110. RRM (9,745 comments) says:

    Even under the burden of Farrar’s bias, I can with plain logic decimate you and your gang of ignorant uneducated progressive and cowardly scum anytime I choose.

    Well, you certainly decimate someone’s credibility every time you open your mouth…

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  111. nasska (11,065 comments) says:

    Not to mention that you might get lonely on your own blog Reddy, which according to Alexa figures rates even lower than ‘whoar’ .

    Never mind, as the owner of the 2258273rd most visited blog # at least life still has challenges. :)

    # 0.00007% of internet viewers can’t stay away from TrueblueNZ (Alexa)….on second thoughts, better keep link whoring.

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  112. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    Well, its funny that a blog that you say you find so uninteresting you can’t stop yourself from writing about or visiting.

    RRM leaves about three comments there a day that are naturally filtered out.

    (Kiwiblog is where such filth generally have their unimpeded say, and poor old Farrah thinks allowing such worthless crap to dominate his site is being “liberal”.)

    And those rating are not bad seeing as I only ever write there extremely infrequently.

    Thanks anyway for the encouragement.

    As long as it so obviously pisses off your kind so much its worth doing.

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  113. nasska (11,065 comments) says:

    Me visit Trueblue???? You would have to scrape the rust off the site meter for the occasion.

    In your dreams Baiter Boy. :)

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  114. RRM (9,745 comments) says:

    RRM leaves about three comments there a day that are naturally filtered out.

    And even with RRM taking pity on you and boosting your traffic , Whoar is still more read than you. Oooh that must hurt.

    Face it Wedbaiter, your ideas are crap and you’re a joke. You’re not saving the country, or the world, from “progressives”. You insist you’ve achieved “a great deal” in your ten year war against… whatever it is you’re against.

    All I can see you’ve achieved is that you’ve stopped saying “socialist” in every other sentence and it’s now “progressives” that are the accursed enemy.

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  115. big bruv (13,656 comments) says:

    “Even under the burden of Farrar’s bias, I can with plain logic decimate you and your gang of ignorant uneducated progressive and cowardly scum anytime I choose.”

    Yet in his ten year “war” against the left Bedwetter cannot point to one single victory.

    Very little of what he has to say is logical, mostly they are the hate filled rants of an authoritarian who wants to enforce his own fucked up views on the rest of society. Oddly enough this is the same type of imaginary tyranny he has spent ten years “fighting” against.

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  116. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    “Me visit Trueblue???? You would have to scrape the rust off the site meter for the occasion”.

    Gee, it hurts me so much to know you’re not visiting TrueblueNZ Nasska.

    Fancy that.

    Are you suggesting I should write more stuff there that might appeal to self hating religion obsessed Progressive cowards like you, Bigot Bruv and the desperate little dumbarsed Wellington architect?

    Sorry, but I can’t be fucked, and I much prefer truth anyway.

    Guess you’ll just have to continue to stay away.

    (PS, like who wants more dumbarsed comments like RRM’s cluttering up the spam folder anyway?)

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  117. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    Gee, I’m so unimportant and have such little effect I’ve got three Progressive cheerleaders beating up on me at the same time.

    Imagine how bad it would be if I was having some kind of impact…!!!

    Ooops, make that four.

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  118. Griff (7,195 comments) says:

    The aim of this blog
    Fomenting happy mischief
    Our esteemed host strongly identifies as a liberal

    Masterbaiter insists he is intelligent yet he doesn’t get why a recurring theme on here is lets poke fun at the conservative fun-dies

    Red baiter making conservative views look stupid since the last time he was banned
    proud proprietress of the blog “ultra violet” extremely blue and invisible

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  119. RRM (9,745 comments) says:

    Sorry, but I can’t be fucked, and I much prefer truth anyway.

    It’s funny how much more widely acknowledged the “truth” is… when you run a little echo chamber huh?

    That’s how the Standard have been operating for years… and even those lunatics are more read than TwoobwooNZ…

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  120. big bruv (13,656 comments) says:

    The “truth”…ha ha ha…This from a birther…lol

    Come on Red, point to one single victory you have had in your ten year war against the left.

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  121. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    “lets poke fun at the conservative fun-dies”

    Yes you see but only in your damaged brain is it perceived as fun.

    Others see it as a trite, witless, juvenile and cowardly obsession of little merit and of less humour.

    You’ll go on though.

    There’s Buckley’s chance of you ever making the step out of the Progressive mire that others more intelligent will make.

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  122. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    Poor Bruv, so limited in imagination that for years the only attempt at a strategy he’s ever been able to come up with is asking people stupid questions based on completely false premises.

    And then bitching because those falsely premised and stupid questions get treated with the contempt they deserve.

    No one more stupid then those who keep doing the same insane thing and earning the same result.

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  123. RRM (9,745 comments) says:

    And then bitching because those falsely premised and stupid questions get treated with the contempt they deserve.

    Although, to an outsider it might look like you’re obfuscating because you’ve got nothing?

    And “Buckley’s chance”… I see that’s your buzzword for the day. Are you a true blue Australian now?

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  124. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    “Although, to an outsider it might look like you’re obfuscating because you’ve got nothing?”

    Replace “outsider” with “dumbarse” and you might be getting somewhere.

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  125. big bruv (13,656 comments) says:

    Come on now Red. You were the one who said you have had many victories in your ten year war against the left. All I am asking you to do is to point out one of those victories.

    It cannot be that hard can it?

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  126. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    Bruv, the assumption that I should even give a bigoted lying brain damaged creep like you a minute of serious time at all is completely laughable.

    I don’t ever dance to the tune of morons.

    (Get out there and sell your rust buckets to those bennies.)

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  127. RRM (9,745 comments) says:

    Obfuscation in 5… 4… 3… 2… 1… ZERO!

    It is obvious you have never been a parent Wedbaiter. If you had you would know how obvious your lies, lies by omission, and deflections are.

    But please, go on lecturing us all on conservatism and morality issues. From your rich fount of worldly experience. :lol:

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  128. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    You want an example you dull dipshit, just look at what is happening right here and now.

    If I wasn’t having an impact why would I have to endure the boring and unintelligent attacks that occur as a result of being stalked by Progressive losers like you, Grieff, Nutska and Bigot Bruv simultaneously?

    Hardly be happening if I was ineffective would it?

    Who else do you know who can attract that kind of crowd?

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  129. Richard Hurst (819 comments) says:

    Colin Craig: bringing to life the saying ‘A fool and his money are soon parted’.

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  130. Griff (7,195 comments) says:

    Im here baiting you wed because its sooooo funny
    Come on red have a melt down you know you want to
    its so tewwalbly un fair all the liberals thiks ize a jokes is not a joke at least three suckarse sycophants like me.Pwogwessivs are so silly we should all still hang in trees I newed this walking on back legs would lead to this.
    bwaaarr sob sob

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  131. Ryan Sproull (7,092 comments) says:

    Who else do you know who can attract that kind of crowd?

    …eh???

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  132. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    Wow, that’s six.

    The crowd is growing.

    And I’ve even got a notorious Stalinist media “educator” on the hook now.

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  133. Ryan Sproull (7,092 comments) says:

    Wow, that’s six.

    The crowd is growing.

    Nah, just pointing out that… a) you’ll never attract the kind of crowds that Phil Ure does, and b) it’s not necessarily something to which to aspire.

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  134. RRM (9,745 comments) says:

    If only you could get this many people reading true blue eh? ;-)

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  135. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    “Im here baiting you wed because its sooooo funny”

    Yeah, so you keep saying, but what you say isn’t the slightest bit funny, and you seem pretty bitter twisted and angry rather than laughing.

    No matter.

    Go on.

    After all, pretense and avoidance of reality is a strategy that always underpins the commonly bizarre behaviour of Progressives.

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  136. Ryan Sproull (7,092 comments) says:

    (Crowds of haters, I mean.)

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  137. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    Ryann, I don’t aspire to it. I’m not quite that crazy as to want the attention of a gang of knuckle dragging uneducated Progressive thugs.

    Just pointing out to these dumb fuckers that they can’t say I’m ineffective and then come here in gangs trying to beat me up.

    Clearly the logic doesn’t work.

    Not that they’d ever notice. :)

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  138. RRM (9,745 comments) says:

    Haters Ryan…? We LUFFS him!! <3

    That's you're achievement Wed…? You get people ripping into you when you drop dumb-arse comments on a political forum?

    Wow, aim for the stars.
    # Wink_at_the_moon

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  139. Griff (7,195 comments) says:

    You the champion of fun dies on kb since no one reads true indigo think that you can dictate the bounds of humour.
    Not a surprise you seem to be hell bent on attempting to define the boundaries for everything else
    we do all luffs you wed who else would brighten our days with such humour

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  140. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    Well you asked for an example, and you and your four buddies are really just the tip of the iceberg.

    I’m hated by such as you in much greater numbers, which is something that gives me an immense amount of satisfaction but unfortunately leads to occasional periods of boredom like this, where you all do your best to be smart and funny and oh so progressive, but just come off looking like a lame bunch of brain damaged bitter and twisted leftist losers.

    Not to mention cowards.

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  141. RRM (9,745 comments) says:

    Bitter and twisted?

    Bitter and twisted is posting up on your website the giant word PROGRESSIVE with photos of every recent NZ political party leader you don’t like underneath them.

    Bitter and twisted is writing a great long article titled John Banks- Has There Ever Been a More Useless Political Prick?

    Bitter and twisted is telling everyone they’re a bunch of brain damaged leftist losers.

    I’m glad you don’t dance to anyone’s tune. Those funky moves of your own are awesome to watch.

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  142. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    Wow, I wish you’d stay away from my blog RRM.

    You’re really not my target audience at all.

    Can’t you control that compulsion?

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  143. RRM (9,745 comments) says:

    I just can’t stay away Wed.

    You whore so many links to your site on Kiwiblog, it seems like just about every time I click my mouse I end up looking at your page…

    It’s funny because you told your own readers you “hardly ever read kiwiblog anymore”… Clearly you are as bare-faced in lying to your own readers as you are to us on here.

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  144. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    “I just can’t stay away Wed.”

    Well maybe you should see a shrink.

    (Wondered why I got those thousands of hits on my John Banks story.)

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  145. Griff (7,195 comments) says:

    You do note weddy that the ones here laughing at your stupidity normally get on like a redneck at a hippy love in

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  146. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    Sorry Grieff, I don’t see anyone laughing.

    I see four or five ignorant progressive thugs getting all seriously bent out of shape by the words of one Conservative and desperately trying to promote the illusion they’re laughing.

    Pretense is all about psychological insecurity do you know that?

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  147. RRM (9,745 comments) says:

    So let’s recap your achievements Wed:

    1) Like Phool before you, you’ve managed to get a group of Kiwiblog commenters like myself, Big Buv, Griff et al who normally can’t stand one another, united in pointing out what a sad grumpy sack of shit you are.

    2) You’s got a self-funded political hate site, with the obligatory guns, and photos of Helen Clark and Obama.

    3) You’ve got about a dozen people (who are even more rabid than you) who cheer you on on your site, and you’re happy lying through your teeth to them because you’re a cwusader for fweedom and “the truth”.

    4) Other…?

    Let us know if you would like to receive your knighthood from Her Majesty the Queen in person, or if delivery by tracked bubble-wrapped parcel would suffice?

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  148. Redbaiter (8,226 comments) says:

    RRM you’re overlooking the obvious link between you and the rest of your shallow little band of thugs- you are all Progressives.

    If you ever get a brain you’ll understand that is where the traditional political fight really lies- between the Progressives and the Conservatives.

    But I’m not holding my breath waiting for that event.

    You have the self awareness of three day old road kill.

    And the political understandings of a ten year old child.

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