Was this a pattern?

September 12th, 2012 at 9:00 am by David Farrar

Stuff reported at the weekend:

Sir ’s plans to build a world-class film museum in Shelly Bay were scuppered when Sir ’s partner sought $750,000 in consultancy fees to help secure the land.

I suggest people read the full article, which is potentially quite disturbing. I make no comment on the legality of what happened, recognising that there is an SFO investigation.

What I wonder about is whether this was a one off, or a regular thing. How many great projects may not have occurred because of such greedy demands?

Shelly Bay would be a wonderful location for a film museum. Hopefully the proposal can still happen one day.

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28 Responses to “Was this a pattern?”

  1. Mighty_Kites (84 comments) says:

    Cue the obligatory racist, anti-Maori comments in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1…

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  2. Lance (2,635 comments) says:

    We have already had the fuckwit lefty attempt to shut down debate

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  3. Ross Miller (1,700 comments) says:

    Question for Mighty Kates …. does debate questioning the ethics of such a ‘demand’ equate to ‘racist and anti-Maori comment’ in your lexicon?

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  4. trout (937 comments) says:

    Time we had a Corruption Commission in this country. We have had an influx of immigrants from countries where bribery is a normal way of doing business. Pay offs and kickbacks are becoming more common here – this is just one example.

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  5. kowtow (8,324 comments) says:

    Corruption Commission?
    And like any other government or semi govt body would have a commitment to the undefined principles of te Treaty of WaiDontyougivememore.
    And as the Tritititi is a “process” this whole thing will never go away,ever.

    We need a referendum on the treaty and its place in modern ripped off and unrepresented New Zealand.

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  6. Peter (1,699 comments) says:

    $750,000 in consultancy fees to help secure the land

    I’ll help secure some land for $650K. I’ll even throw in a commemorative coffee mug!

    Roll up! Roooollll up!

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  7. Avalon (11 comments) says:

    @Trout. Is Lorraine Skiffington an immigrant?

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  8. Mark (496 comments) says:

    According to Mighty_Kites the Peter Jackson is a racist, because he refused to pay because he saw it for what it was, an attempt to extort money.

    How many things in NZ never happen or cost way to much for claims like this?

    I was laughing last night about people in Northland who have no jobs and wanted to get in on the mining boom in OZ. Why dont we mine in Northland?Oh that right the left want to keep people down and poor. They are the real racists, people like Mighty_Kites.

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  9. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    > How many great Wellington projects may not have occurred because of such greedy demands?

    I’m sure if Jackson had made similar demands, you wouldn’t have batted an eyelid. It’s different when Maori do it, the thieving bastards! lol

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  10. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Ngatata Love and his partner have been discredited as fraudulent so why has Jackson been deterred so easily.

    People strive and are amazingly resilient and Jackson lets this small hurdle collapse him. psssh

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  11. dime (9,866 comments) says:

    Mark – that and those losers in northland wont pass drug tests! they also have no qualifications.. go figure. but they do like the idea of 150k a year. makes for great day dreaming.

    Anti-Maori? not anti. kinda sad that they have become such a shitty bunch of people.

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  12. trout (937 comments) says:

    I don’t know if Ms. Skiffington is an immigrant. I do know that what she is accused of is not uncommon. Given that she is associated with Maori business she would know well that the Government, in making new laws, has provided Maori with veto rights over decision making in many areas. Along with these veto rights has come the temptation to demand compensation. Millions of dollars are being paid out in ‘consultancy fees’ so that Resource Consent applications are approved by Iwi. Payment of ‘koha’ can encourage a Taniwha to move house (Huntly road), or make a sacreded area ‘less’ sacred’ (Puketutu Island).

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  13. peterwn (3,246 comments) says:

    The Secret Commissions Act 1910 seems to cover this:
    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1910/0040/latest/DLM177643.html
    especially s3(1):
    “Every person is guilty of an offence who corruptly gives, or agrees or offers to give, to any agent any gift or other consideration as an inducement or reward for doing or forbearing to do, or for having done or forborne to do, any act in relation to the principal’s affairs or business (whether such act is within the scope of the agent’s authority or the course of his employment as agent or not), or for showing or having shown favour or disfavour to any person in relation to the principal’s affairs or business.”

    Agent and Principal are as defined in S2 and more or less have their normal meaning:
    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1910/0040/latest/DLM177648.html

    The Act provides for a $2000 fine (corporation) or $1000 (individual) and up to two years jail. The only substantive change to penalties was in 1954 by deleting ‘with or without hard labour’. That the fines have not been updated for years indicates the low level of corruption in NZ. Whe worst an offender is likely to face is home detention.

    It may be OK for a principal to demand ‘key money’ as a prerequisite for doing business. Budding casino operators are generally asked to pay significant sums to the responsible Government agency for their bids to be considered and racing clubs may ask for significant entry fees for entering a horse in a major event such as the Melbourne Cup. However the fees go straight to the organization concerned and are not pocketed by agents or employees.

    Any such ‘fees’ unlawfully charged by an agent would be recoverable on the balance of probabilities by the organisation in question or under the Proceeds of Crimes Act. If an organisation is not prepared to attempt a recovery, then the Police / SFO should kick in the Proceeds of Crimes Act.

    The Act was aimed fairly and squarely at bribery and corruption.

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  14. iMP (2,366 comments) says:

    I actually worked with another Arts Advocate to get this museum off the ground in the early days, and we met with Richard taylor. However, at that stage the problem was that NewLIne owned all the intellectual property to imagery and would not release any of the props etc for a museum concept which I suppose they anticipated doing themselves at a later stage in America. I suspect there is more to this than just Wellington machinations.

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  15. flipper (3,990 comments) says:

    I actually posted this in the General Debate several ago.

    It is just as bad as the demands (wussie agreement) for taxpayers to pay TOW claim costs for specious water, wind, solar, radio spectrum claims.

    The SFO is now a poilitical animal, cherry picking cases to keep its position and budget. Given thetr extraordinary, KGB-like powers, it is to be expected that they would ignore brown mail since that may upset their panty waist masters.

    There is absolutely NO NEED to doff your hat to the SFO PDF. Until they actually file charges in court they are just another drain on the taxpayer.

    The score?

    Skiffington/Love Nil Jackson/Walsh 10. Wussie pussy Finlayson 100 Taxpayers ….?

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  16. RRM (9,838 comments) says:

    That can’t be right.

    The Maori elites would NEVER try to cream obscene amounts of money off the productive working populace in order to live like the nation’s royalty at everyone else’s expense….?

    Isn’t that right Tuku?

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  17. James Stephenson (2,154 comments) says:

    Call it “consultancy fees” and it’s extortion, say you have to “pacify a taniwha” and…

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  18. wreck1080 (3,885 comments) says:

    I love it how extortion fees are renamed to ‘consultancy fee’.

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  19. emmess (1,427 comments) says:

    Willy Jackson would say….
    Oh, but the white people in Italy and Russia have their mafiosi, why are you complaining when the Maoris do it?

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  20. freedom101 (496 comments) says:

    What’s her name? Skiffington or Skimmington?

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  21. my 2 cents (1,091 comments) says:

    I do wonder what monies are floating around welly between the two great “Maori” families to get things done.

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  22. KH (695 comments) says:

    There are plenty of ‘brown paper bags’ handed around in this country when big deals are done.
    Maori elites have always taken the proceeds first – filter down has little chance. It’s cultural.
    But other elites have their own ways as well.
    There were rumours circulating several years ago about how Fisher and Paykel suddenly went from a substantial, successful, New Zealand icon to a shell, with foreign ownership.
    But it’s not Kiwi as we like it. We don’t have to go the way of the rest of the world.
    Stamp on it and stamp on it hard.

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  23. lastmanstanding (1,284 comments) says:

    As I have posted on the local body donation item anyone who thinks Nz is 100% clean is an idiot. Forget race or colour we have a level of bribery and corruption as illustrated by Field Jones and others. Just that up to now most have been below the radar which is why the international agencies generally give us a high score for having a low level.

    Just that in NZ its very carefully managed and discreet. Not a pile of oncers in a brown paper bag.
    As other have posted we call its consultation fees or filicitation fees or anyone of the other discreet terms for bribery and corruption.
    And the great unwashed continue in their blissful ignornace of the reality.

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  24. gump (1,635 comments) says:

    Ngatata Love might fancy himself as a fixer, but he’s just another Arthur Daley.

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  25. hj (6,922 comments) says:

    THis from a past president of the Property Council.

    “Obviously the developers couldn’t buy the local politicians and public officials off fast enough in Dallas Fort Worth to overcome the zoning impediment – but they have been trying as this article Fed Up: Texas Monthly November 2007 illustrates. It goes on pretty much everywhere of course – but only illustrates how zoning tends to assist in inflating prices and stalling supply responses.
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU200711/S00303.htm

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  26. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    How many Wellington projects paid the fees? thats a more important question

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  27. Griff (7,518 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/7636786/Why-LOTR-museum-was-ditched
    The investigation is understood to include a payment of more than $1 million into an account jointly held by Ms Skiffington and Sir Ngatata, which came from Auckland property developer Redwood. It won the contract to build what is now the headquarters of the Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet on Tenths Trust land.

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  28. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,889 comments) says:

    One is left to wonder what the ordinary local Bro makes of all this.

    No doubt the good lady would have passed fifty thousand to the local Iwi and retained seven hundred grand to keep her and her arsehole in a state of culturally repellant Pakeha luxury to which they have become accustomed.

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