Bring back the 1970s!
October 21st, 2012 at 2:00 pm by David FarrarMatt McCarten writes:
We know abstractly that in our capitalist economic system it’s the natural order of things that big corporations eat smaller businesses to grow bigger still.
When we see the human cost it’s difficult to be so philosophical.
This is about the local store closing, as they couldn’t compete with a chain store.
And yes on a personal level it is very hard when any business owner has to stop trading as they can’t compete.
But pining King Cantue like for a return to the 1970s when the Government decided who was allowed to compete, is seriously misguided.
I recall in the 1970s and 1980s the concern that supermarkets would destroy the corner dairies, and many did close. But who wants to live in a country with no supermarkets?
But now it seems these corporates are moving to the next level of reducing costs and maximising profit.
Have you noticed how The Warehouse and supermarkets now expect us to check out and pack our own goods? If we insist on a checkout operator, do you notice the fewer stations and longer waits? Eventually, the only human we’ll see is a security guard making sure we don’t pinch anything.
Oh God, how awful. And Air NZ now have self-service kiosks and you can use e-passports to take yourself through customs. I enjoy doing it myself and happily accept the cheaper prices when I do. And sometimes when I am busy I get the supermarket to home deliver for me, which creates extra jobs the otherway. The moral of the story is not to pine for the 1970s, but look for new opportunities.
For good reason we should blame faceless corporations and the Stephen Tindalls of this world for destroying our way of life.
Yeah fuck the poor families who can afford cheap goods now. That evil Tindall who has actually provided goods at prices more people can afford.
October 21st, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Medication must be eating the very little left of comrade Macacacarten’s brain.
[DPF: 30 demerits]
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 2:07 pm
But then retail as we know it is getting hammered by the Internet. I regularly buy clothes that way but not everything.
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 2:26 pm
How antediluvian can you get? Thank god as customers we have choice. Long may it continue.
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 2:28 pm
And there I was thinking the self-service kiosks in the supermarket were giving me the advantage of not having to wait in queues with people with trolleys full of groceries.
There I was thinking they improved my service experience.
There I was thinking that they made my supermarket visit a little more palatable.
When really I have been duped by ‘the man’ so that ‘he’ can make a few more pennies.
Thanks Matt. For nothing.
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Matt, it’s called creative destruction
Vote:A bit like what you and your union mates try to do to all businesses, big and small, except that there is nothing creative about it
October 21st, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Manolo – stop playing the man, in just one sentence you mock chemotherapy, mental capacity and stammering. Matt’s deluded ideas are not a consequence of the above.
Vote:remember pause comes before engage.
October 21st, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Yes I have – and I quite like it, especially when I have only a few items. It’s called “choice”.
But I don’t think we should be too hard on old Matt as he’s in quite good company. As this thread from April, 2012 shows with two prominent left-wing commentators in NZ: Danyl Mclauchlan …
… and Mr Geddis:
And it’s not just NZ either.
So now I can add Matt McCarten’s name to that of Krugman, Geddis and Danyl pining for the good old days, plus Chris Laidlaw maundering about returning rugby to the glory days of amateurism.
It’s yet another example of how intellectually bankrupt the left-wing is nowadays. They simply have no new ideas that don’t involve more and bigger government departments and ministries, supplied with ever more money, to “solve” our societal problems. But perhaps it will see a new political movement on the rise.
The Nostalgic Progressives.
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 2:49 pm
I remember the 70s and the 70s sucked. Nothing good come out of the seventies. End of story.
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 2:50 pm
What a fu**wit McCarten is. What a nasty, awful thing to say about an icon. The Tindalls of this world have aded to our way of life, not detracted from it. Piss off Matt. Reading your drivel destroys our way of life.
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 2:53 pm
I hated the Pak n Save self checkouts at first. I took that attitude as well… why should I bloody do everything? Now I like them. I like not having to deal with the checkout operator who is more often than not an ESOL moron. And they’re quicker… less waiting. Except that those in front of you are often retards who take forever getting it right or new/ occasional users.
Then I went to a Countdown with none and had to QUEUE for ages!! Shit it was painful… it took bloody hours man. Countdown…. you SUCK!!
I even switched from sandwich ham to tinned fish so that I didn’t have to deal with the sullen sour faced dokes at the deli.
I’ve got the human interaction down to zero. Go there near closing time or opening time and it’s perfect. Empty shop, no dealing with dumbarses.
Once I worked out how to mute the voice instruction using the sound icon bottom left corner of screen… aaaaahhh…. bliss!!
You’ve only got to take ATMs as a good example of how technology has made life easier. How easy is it to get money out? ATMs have always been around for me but I know it was once a branch visit or nothing. Internet banking? It’s usually a vast improvement.
Self-checkout means more scope for shoplifting. You could put tomatoes through as potatoes and save a few $$. They’ve got to catch you. I’m just saying. I don’t do that!! But I did accidentally print a carrots sticker for bananas. 50c per kilo difference.
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 2:58 pm
McCarten is correct – The Warehouse has played its part in destroying New Zealand’s social fabric.
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 3:03 pm
The funny thing is that these are the same people that want a higher minimum wage – that is one of the main drivers for the supermarket transition to self checkout….
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 3:10 pm
And we don’t have lift operators any more, we have to push our own floor buttons. And all the policemen directing traffic at intersections have been done away with and replaced with traffic lights. Road building contractors use a bulldozer where a hundred men with picks and shovels could do the same work at only ten times slower.
The socialist paradise with full employment is only a step backwards away.
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Hamnida, which of these things doesn’t happpen when a new store opens?
A new The Warehouse store provides:
a new and substantial source of tax revenue for the local community
a significant number of jobs for the residents in the area
a larger selection of goods and services under one roof than is available in the business section of any nearby small town
a lower price for all (or substantially all) of its goods and services than the existing local merchants in any nearby small town
convenience to its customers through immediate, nearby, no-cost, no-meter-feeding, no-tow parking space
Construction provides some temporary construction jobs to local persons
Attracts additional business to the community consisting of persons who will patronize The Warehouse from other communities within a certain radius from the store
Causes the town to grow, together with the values of some of the real estate surrounding the store
Provides opportunity for some local residents to start at the ground level and work up in the The Warehouse organization
Provides training for its employees
Pays its employees fairly and brings prosperity to its employees and the communities in which it operates
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 3:42 pm
And he criticised the Warehouse for selling cheap stuff from China. Where did he think his neighbourhood shop got its products from?
Vote:If we truly wanted little shops we’d patronise them and reject cheaper prices, better service, choice etc. If we shop elsewhere it’s just empty nostalgia.
October 21st, 2012 at 4:11 pm
An interesting item in yesterdays waikato times. It was about jobs and how difficult they are to get and how they seem to disappear on a regular basis etc,.
The question was : where we happier 40 years ago when every family could buy a house on one income, when children were raised by a saty at home mum,etc,etc.
And the answer is pretty obvious really – as a society we were much happier.
further – when asked a similar question Bernard Hickey commented that the country was more entrepreneurial , had faster rates of growth, had faster and bigger pay increases, etc back when taxes were higher – which was also about the same time – ie: 40 years ago.
Yes – times have changed but i think that McCarten has a strong point. People were happier, social problems were much lower, poverty was way lower 40 years ago.
Personally I think about the only thing thats better now is the health system. Education is inferior, workplace environment is inferior, family life is inferior, and so are many other aspects inferior.
I dont think the warehouse has actually bought a lot to us. Much of their stuff is complete short life crap and much of what poor people buy there is utter waste beacuse its buggered in a few days. IO used to buy my work footwear there – but beside wearing out in weeks I also suffered painful foot problem. Went to the physio – she said stop buying crap footwear.
So instead of getting $29 or $39 shoes – I went bought $149 shoes. Lasted two year now and now foot problems. Their potting mix is just shit. They treat their plants (for sale) with hormones to make them flower but when you get them home they go into post hormone sulk that lasts until they die.
No – the warehouse hasnt actually done a lot for us at all.
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 4:11 pm
He’s remembering the days of Arkwright’s Store where you asked Arkwright for the goods and he’d find them on the shelves behind the counter. McCarten probably hates it that customers are now forced to walk round aisles picking up their own goods and they they have to choose between goods of different qualities.
I bet he’d be wants to stop Samsung and Apple selling smart phones, because they’re hurting Nokia and Blackberry.
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 4:20 pm
The man is a fool, and his comments are as devalued as the socialist/communist ideology he’s embraced all his life.
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Obama has in the past blamed unemployment on ATMs. Which just proves McCarten and Obama are cut from the same Communist cloth.
The claim that mechanisation reduces employment has proven to be false from the start of the industrial revolution. Quite the contrary, a truly free capitalist system will produce more jobs than are able to be filled as the bounds of human ingenuity are only limited by small minded statists like McCarten.
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Re-Barry at 4.11. Yes, I can relate to much of what Barry says. But, like most things in life, there are plusses and minuses about society’s progress. In the 50s, 60s and 70s life seemed somehow less stressful. People seemed to have more time for each other.
I emigrated to NZ from UK in 1973 and I can remember observing that daily life, attitudes and social interaction in NZ at that time resembled that of UK twenty-five years before. And that is a complimentary observation, not a criticism. I could reel off countless incidents from that time that my family and i experienced that made us thankful that we’d emigrated and appreciative of the fine environment we’d come to.
Sadly, things have changed over the years. NZ society has raced pell-mell to catch up with the wider world, albeit taking on board many of its accompanying social ills and disadvantages. NZ is a more dog-eat-dog society now than it was then. Somebody mentioned Norm Kirk in disparaging terms earlier on. I wouldn’t agree, but there is no doubt in my mind that NZ society started to change in the Kirk/Rowling/Douglas years. No doubt some NZ-ers are better off – or think they are – but I have my doubts about whether we as a society are truly better off than we were when – for instance – milk was 4c a pint and no-one regarded smokers as social lepers, and shops were closed in city centres at the weekend. I could go on, but I think the message is clear.
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Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Barry,
Vote:1) i think your problem with jobs is related to 2 things (in adition to general economic activity)
A) technology – as people improve things faster it is more likely that your skills will be outdated and you will require more indepth skills to work. once upon a time almost all jobs were fairly low skill and now most have a reasonable degree of training required andd that training is very diverse.
B) the efficiency of the search system matching peopel to jobs. Most employers and employees dont market themselves very well to find the right people. considering hte range of skills is diverse it is hard for employees or employers to find the jobs/employees that match.
2) we may have been happier, lower unemployment etc – but there are other factors at play here. we were greatly advantaged relitive to a lot of other countries, over time those advantages have dissapeared and we have fallen from being one of the richest countries in the world to being way down the oecd. that is not entirely our fault as the initial state was uinfairly in our favour.. but on the other hand its hard for me to imagine having a job that isnt IT related.. it’d be terrible to go back to that….
3) I like the warehouse .. but Kmart is better. products bought in bulk, most of them are good for as long as i need them. What is terrible is those little stores that create a new product and say it is of high quality and charge a premium then you find out that it jsut cant compete with hte mass produced products in terms of q
October 21st, 2012 at 5:09 pm
quality testing and otherwise being fit for the purpose for which it is bought. I find it very common that the cheap department store product is just better… just like i find Burger fuel burgers are better than most of those little non franchise burger places that all to often leave a dirty plaster in your burger due to inferior quality control.
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Barry, that’s a sad, negative state of mind that you must live in – harking back to the good old days, wringing your hands at changes in society that have occurred around you, and criticising businesses like The Warehouse that have adapted successfully to such changes.
You could change your life – for the better, I’m confident – if you took to thinking and acting more constructively as a new way of life. That could involve, for example, accepting the environment around you (if you recognise that you have no direct influence on how to change it materially), but developing an ongoing strategy for gaining private business benefits for yourself and your family by taking early advantage of change – rather than simply crying “woe is me”.
I have no mandate for promoting The Warehouse or its goods, many of which have short life expectancies as you yourself observe. But I will make the obvious comment that nobody is compelled to shop at The Warehouse, or to buy inferior goods in the price brackets at which they are retailed there. I’m prepared to pay a bit more for alternatives when I think that The Warehouse is selling “stuff [that is] complete short life crap”, as you so elegantly describe it. If I can’t afford the higher prices elsewhere, I won’t fall back on buying the inferior goods in question at The Warehouse. The process is a fundamental part of “discretionary spending”, and it’s quite different from the much greater pressure on all of us to spend on near-necessities in the food, education, healthcare and transport sectors.
You should try it sometime.
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 5:20 pm
I agree with the comments but lets not forget that the,playing field is not level. Over regulation and compliance cost unfairly cost small business a much larger proportion than large business. National and labour have continually put regulation barriers to small business, especially labour, while pretending to,hate large business and multinationals. Large business is often the instrument the socialists,use to whip people into compliance.
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Note the description “our capitalist economic system”.
I wish we had a true capitalist system rather than government dominating so much. Then there might be more jobs and more wealth. But people like McCarten want more of the things which stop growth, more regulation, more tax.
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Nick K #
“….What a fu**wit McCarten is. What a nasty, awful thing to say about an icon. The Tindalls of this world have aded to our way of life, not detracted from it. Piss off Matt. Reading your drivel destroys our way of life…”
That’s being a bit silly Nick.
Take Bunnings for eg. Helpful staff, reasonable pay rates[I live in QLD], wide variety and quality of products in each line[you get the choice of 20 differant drills at differant prices and quality].
Most staff are in the 50+ age group – the very type who know how to work by helping and selling.
Bunnings are specialists! BCF[boating camping and fishing] are other specialists that exell at what they do.
On the other hand Tindall has been ‘all things to all people’ – poor range, mostly poor quality products, cheap young staff – all leading to poor service and poor wages for staff.
Tindall has NOT added to NZ’s way of life compared to other retailers like Bunnings etc and what they are now doing.
You could actually say that Tindall looked at creating MAXIMUM profit first, before customer ‘satisfaction’ [the stock price has had it's ups and downs] – where as the likes of Bunnings know that maximum long term profit comes from being ‘dominant’ in the market place.
Afterall – Bunnings is owned by Western Mining Corporation – the owners of Coles Supermarkets and another dozen major retailers in Aust. And something like 2000 petrol stations. And 1200 hotels.
Tindall I understand donates money to charity and ‘invests’ in ‘start-ups’.
Employing staff doesn’t figure too much in Tindall’s idea of a ‘NZ way of life’ – as you put it.
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 6:18 pm
The 1970′s are being reborn with Chinese immigration (i.e there is a proliferation of Asian shops where I live).
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Free trade, and by extension globalization, is often defended by appeal to comparative advantage. The logic of comparative advantage assumes that factors of production, especially capital, are immobile between nations. Only products are traded.
With capital mobility now the major defining feature of globalization we have left the world of comparative advantage and entered a regime of absolute advantage which guarantees gains from trade to the world as a whole, but does not guarantee that each nation will share in those gains, as was the case under comparative advantage. Global gains under absolute advantage are theoretically greater than under comparative advantage, but there is no reason to expect these gains to be shared by all trading partners. Mutual gain could be restored under absolute advantage by redistributing some of the global gains from trade. But I have never heard that idea discussed by globalization advocates.
Often they appeal, quite illogically, to the doctrine of comparative advantage as a guarantee of mutual benefit, conveniently forgetting that the logic of comparative advantage requires immobile capital, and that capital is not immobile. Indeed, some even argue for free capital mobility by extension of the comparative advantage argument —if free trade in goods is mutually beneficial then why not also have free trade in capital? However, one cannot use the conclusion of an argument to abolish one of the premises upon which the argument is based!
3. Free trade and free capital mobility increase pressures for specialization according to competitive (absolute) advantage. Therefore the range of choice of ways to earn a livelihood become greatly narrowed. In Uruguay, for example, everyone would have to be either a shepherd or a cowboy in conformity with the dictates of competitive advantage in the global market. Everything else should be imported in exchange for beef, mutton, wool, and leather. Any Uruguayan who wants to play in a symphony orchestra or be an airline pilot should emigrate.
Most people derive as much satisfaction from how they earn their income as from how they spend it. Narrowing that range of choice is a welfare loss uncounted by trade theorists. Globalization assumes either that emigration and immigration are costless, or that narrowing the range of occupational choice within a nation is costless.
Both assumptions are false.
While the range of choice in earning one’s income is ignored by trade theorists, the range of choice in spending one’s income receives exaggerated emphasis. For example, the US imports Danish butter cookies and Denmark imports US butter cookies. (And, as I learned at the Aspen conference, Colorado imports drinking water from Fiji, and perhaps Fiji imports rocky mountain water from Colorado.)
The cookies cross each other somewhere over the North Atlantic. Although the gains from trading such similar commodities cannot be great, trade theorists insist that the welfare of cookie connoisseurs is increased by expanding the range of consumer choice to the limit.
Perhaps, but could not those gains be had more cheaply by simply trading recipes? One might think so, but recipes (trade related intellectual property rights) are the one thing that free traders really want to protect.
Vote:http://www.mnforsustain.org/daly_herman_globalism_and_its_discontents.htm
October 21st, 2012 at 6:47 pm
The fact remains, New Zealand would be more equal society without Tindall et al.
I’d much rather buy my paint from the local hardware store than off capitalist scum.
Meat tastes better from a butcher. If you need any convincing, compare a quality made NZ BBQ table to what Bunnings sells.
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 6:51 pm
“I remember the 70s and the 70s sucked. Nothing good come out of the seventies. End of story”
Black Sabbath, Thin Lizzy, Led Zeppelin, Judas Priest, Deep Purple etc etc ..Shall I go on?
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 6:58 pm
“I’d much rather buy my paint from the local hardware store than off capitalist scum. ”
You mean like Placemakers Hamnida? Or Mitre 10?
Vote:I don’t think either of these are ‘non-profit organisations’….
Even old Mr Jones that friendly old guy who might own a hardware store in your town- I bet he’s in it to make money… making him ‘Capitalist Scum’ as well…
October 21st, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Scott1 (17) at 5:06 pm
Ah Scott – youve left out the most important change.
In the 1970 and 1960′s most women didnt have paid jobs. they generally had familiesand looked after them.
Then came the feminist/equality movement. It was good and bad. One bad things was that now the workforce sort of doubled. When a commoditty doubles, prices drop – ie: wages dropped. These days you need two wages to run a family – thats the result of oversupply of labour. Accompanied by the idiocy of rogernomics which basically exported jobs to asia and africa.
Sure – equality might have its upsides (and to be honest i cant see too many of them) but like everything it also has its down sides.
calendar girl (785) at 5:09 pm
Im not handwringing for the old days at all. All Im stating are facts. My business is based on imports and Im making every use of the opening up of imports (which used to be restricted to a few families before the place was opened up) that rogernomics bought. but I still think our society is not as happy as it used to be, our welfare statistics are worse, the level of mind drugs prescribed is way up, and people are mostly unhappy in their jobs. Thats not progress – thats enslavement.
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 7:02 pm
barry,
I dont own The Warehouse stock, and have never worked for them, but when that store opened in my area I was instantly made richer. I was able to afford Christmas presents for all the kids I knew. I was able to buy a wardrobe of shoes and clothes when I lost everything. I was able to buy housewares to set myself up on my own.
You bought bad shoes. Were you wanting $149 quality for less than $50? Stop whining.
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Those hardware store owners are capitalists too Hamnida.
Butchers working in a supermarket are still butchers Hamnida. Why do you discriminate against those workers? Why would you have them out of work (with everyone going to the “butcher”.)
Perhaps you need to get out more Hamnida. Mitre 10 Mega certainly has good quality outdoor furniture.
And look at where the proletariat choose to shop… At the large chain stores – they value savings over small stores Hamnida.
Yet another case where the real world gives lie to your Communist Manifesto…
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Hamnida, Harriet & other moaners and whingers
What is the name of your foundation that gives millions to charities and others throughout the country?
How many thousand people do you employ?
How much did you contribute to the Millennium Sports Institute?
Tindall has contributed ENORMOUSLY to this country. Just go away with your glass-half-empty moaning, negative, whinging sad life.
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 8:18 pm
5 mins of McCartens life>>the entire life of most posters in this thread
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 8:26 pm
That the Left are reduced to nostalgically pining for a world that existed 40 years ago how backwards thinking and intellectually stale the Left have become.
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 8:57 pm
It matters not whether Tindall or any other large business owner is good bad or indifferent.
Until a law is introduced forcing people to shop with them people are free to chose, for example, the Warehouse or any alternative they can find.
If McCarten or any of the local trolls is stupid enough to demand personal service when shopping good on him, as long as he pays for it.
Personally I’ll buy the best value for money wherever I can find it.
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 9:30 pm
What a top little commie Matt ‘fill my crackin’ is. Correct if I’m wrong but – Isn’t he the bankrupt who ripped every kiwi worker he professes to represent off by operating a business, going broke and spending all the money and leaving a bill to the Tax department i.e. ALL NEW ZEALANDERS? The man is a festering sore on society and is typical of the leadership of Liebor. A failure, a whinger, a bludger and a griever. A lovely little package really. Best of all is how the Herald gives him space to spread his propaganda. A match made in heaven.
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 9:33 pm
The left hated the world of the 70s. They hated small business people with a vengeance and were behind bringing in draconian regulations and labour laws that favour big business or state ownership over small businesses because a few big businesses were easier to control. Whenever a small business would try to set up in competition they got their union mates to close it down. That was the reality of business in the 70s.
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 9:51 pm
One small point Bhudson… I can tell you that not all supermarkets have butchers and if they do, they’re nothing like the specialist shops. I’ve delivered to supermarkets. A quick chat with the bloke dropping off all of Countdown’s centrally processed meat in big white plastic bins on rollers that stack to the roof of his deck establishes that it all goes in the shop packaged ready to sell from outside. Saw it in the news too ages ago.
I’m sure the dinky di little ‘all service’ NWs still like to have their own butchers… but the bigger shops? Nah. I don’t care… cheaper meat… good.
I still wouldn’t go to a butcher. Bloody hell… can’t afford to… costs too much. I saw Countdown had 5kg chicken thighs on special for $20. Can’t get that kind of deal from the local butcher give me a break Hamnida.
Vote:October 21st, 2012 at 10:02 pm
The trouble is Matt hates all employers and all big businesses. Would he rather pay $40 for a pair of shoes from the nice man who has a small shop or $20 at the Warehouse? Small businesses used to buy their stock from wholesalers who added their profit. The warehouse bypasses them and their profit margin.
A short while ago the Warehouse announced the opening of a store in Keri Keri. There was an immediate uproar from the small busines people and their supporters. When a survey was taken the small main street shop owners claimed the main street would die with rows of empty shops. They didn’t want the Warehouse. A survey of wage earning families definitely did want it. Tells it’s own story.
Vote:October 22nd, 2012 at 9:47 am
McCartney believes in an economy where everybody pretends to work and the employer pretends to pay them.
Vote:October 22nd, 2012 at 10:01 am
“The logic of comparative advantage assumes that factors of production, especially capital, are immobile between nations. Only products are traded…”
Another lengthy display of complete ignorance from hj.
Start with a completely wrong premise and see how far you can go with it.
Vote:October 22nd, 2012 at 11:05 am
You need to find a good butcher. There’s one not far from me (actually on the way to the supermarket) who sells really good meat at reasonable prices. Their sausages are the same price per kg as at Coles, but superior in size and quality – they are very tasty and there’s a bunch of different varieties. They are decent sized and you only need two instead of four for a decent meal.
Vote:I bought a side of lamb for $50 there – the leg roast alone would have been $30 at the supermarket.
I still buy mince at the supermarket however, since mince is one of the products in the price war that’s still going on here (QLD). I’m happy for Coles or Woolies to subsidise my mince.
October 22nd, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Feel a bit sad for mccarten really. He’s about to step in to eternity and this is the kind of trivia he is thinking about.
Vote:October 23rd, 2012 at 2:46 am
What a sad lot you are. You obviously never stop and smell the flowers. I enjoy standing in queues at the supermarket and banks. I spend the time chatting to people, sometimes making new friends.
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