General Debate 21 October 2012

October 21st, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Manolo (13,839 comments) says:

    No mucking around: http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?id=288573

    Neither here: http://www.humanevents.com/2012/10/19/lee-iacocca-endorses-romney-for-president/

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  2. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    Although I personally have a visceral loathing for the Messiah I do have sympathy for the voters in the coming USA elections. The choice is not clear cut.

    Ref: http://www.romneytaxplan.com/

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  3. Manolo (13,839 comments) says:

    The choice is not clear cut.

    Really? Even a scarecrow would be better than the Kenyan!

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  4. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    From John Maudlin QE made the economy worse as commodities rose and workers spent less.

    “The unintended consequence of these Federal Reserve actions, however, is to actually slow economic activity. The CPI rose significantly in QE1 and QE2 (Chart 1). These price increases had a devastating effect on worker’s incomes (Chart 2). Wages did not immediately respond to commodity price changes; therefore, there was an approximate 3% decline in real average hourly earnings in both instances. It is true that stock prices also rose along with commodity prices (S&P plus 36% and 24%, respectively, in QE1 and QE2). However, median households hold a small portion of equities, and thus received minimal wealth benefit.”

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  5. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Manolo, Interesting that now LEE IACOCCA is supporting Obama, the left wing media did not mention the Ford Pinto scandal. I guess 500 people burned to death does not matter to lefies, as long as he supports Obama.

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/1977/09/pinto-madness

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  6. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Watching a rerun of The Nation – Jan Wright calling to layer cost on industry to chase ETS credits which are near worthless.

    Let’s undermine our international competitiveness and layer an ETS cost on a sector no one else is. That makes enormous sense, right?

    And Kennedy Gaham says its all in the context of global action – and our contribution to global emissions is how much again Kennedy? You want to layer on cost on farmers for no positive impact on global emissions. A very real impact on NZ export earnings however.

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  7. Manolo (13,839 comments) says:

    This bastard deserves the gallows: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220680/Former-spokesman-Muammar-Gaddafis-government-captured-exactly-year-death.html

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  8. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    …”a scarecrow would be better than the Kenyan”….

    Hard to argue with that Manolo. You could substitute the Messiah with a cardboard cut out & the brain dead acolytes of the chosen one would still vote for the arsehole.

    Point is that the election is personality politics at its best/worst & there’s little pressure to front up & flesh out election promises.

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  9. Manolo (13,839 comments) says:

    bhudson, if we take your sensible argument to its logical conclusion: why not to do away with the ETS altogether?

    Let’s abolish Labour’s tax, which was opposed by Smith and Key at the time, and then conveniently forgotten by the two Labour lite “leaders”.

    Doesn’t National claim to be the party of lower taxes? Is it still the case?

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  10. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Doesn’t National claim to be the party of lower taxes? Is it still the case?

    Given the continued rhetoric of Labour and the Greens (not to mention Hone) I think there is no question.

    Under our current ETS we have met the obligations Labour signed our country up to while in power. It allows us to play our role in the international community without exposing ourselves by forging ahead in areas our trading partners are not. It is important that we are seen as a resonsible member of the international community if for no other reason that access to trade markets, which are enormously important to us and our prosperity.

    We have an ETS that imposes half the costs on NZ’ers than the Labour model would have, while enabling us to meet our international commitments.

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  11. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Manolo,

    Given the continued rhetoric of the Greens and Labour (not to mention Hone) there is no question.

    Our current ETS has allowed us to meet the international commitments made on behalf of NZ by the previous Labour govt, while doing so at something like half the cost that they would have imposed on us.

    It is important that we are recognized as being a responsible member of the international community – access to trade markets depend upon it. We are able to do so while also ensuring we do not expose our businesses and economy to the costs and risks inherent in forging ahead in areas where our trade partners are not participating (e.g. ETS on farming)

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  12. Manolo (13,839 comments) says:

    It is important that we are recognized as being a responsible member of the international community ..

    So China, India, Canada, United States and others must be irresponsible, very irresponsible. Tui ad coming.

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  13. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Manolo,

    My comment related to what is contingent upon us to support our trade interests.

    Incidentally, our ETS position protects us from the costs and risks of forging ahead in the absence of ETS reciprocity from our trading partners.

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  14. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Lots of racial comments. Poor reflection on humanity.

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  15. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    Early on a Sunday I know Manolo, but engage brain time…

    bhudson is dead on the money. Its all about size. China, India, Canada, US = very very big. NZ = very very small. We thread the needle carefully because of our size. We are a poor, tiny little country at the bottom of the South Pacific. And in order to be and stay competitive, we have to work smart to stay ahead of the pack with those customers (large countries) who look to such things in trading partners.

    Not rocket science. Like most decisions at this level, a compromise.

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  16. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    “My Citizenship (Acknowledgement of Te Tiriti o Waitangi) Amendment Bill would have district councils and others who run citizenship ceremonies include mention of Te Tiriti o Waitangi, and inform new citizens of the local iwi and hapu in their area,” said Green Party spokesperson for Te Tiriti o Waitangi Catherine Delahunty.”

    How about a fridge magnet: My Local Iwi and Hapu?

    What she wants is a mind set that Maori are #1 and we are #2.
    http://www.greens.org.nz/press-releases/new-members-bill-will-help-bring-immigrants-te-tiriti-o-waitangi-partnership

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  17. Manolo (13,839 comments) says:

    Jeepers. Who am I to dare to disagree with two ultra-loyal Labour lite supporters?
    Yes, compromise is the key word, which brings to mind someone called Neville. :D

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  18. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    Green Party MP Catherine Dela (mad about”Te Triritti”) hunty.

    “It is not rocket science that Pakeha may be a minority by the late 21st century. It is to be hoped that tangata whenua will be the largest cultural grouping in their own country again. However all the demographic changes will be a change for the worst if Pakeha cannot come to terms with being a minority culture. Our attachment to Westminster democracy has been based on our majority status. Will we find to our horror that minorities in such a system are overruled and undermined? Will we react by supporting more truly equitable and culturally diverse methods of decisionmaking, based upon Te Tiriti, or will we build a fortress, clinging to wealth and power behind barbed wire and guard dogs? Jane Kelsey stood at Waitangi last year and said that Pakeha were not ready for constitutional change and she’s right*. All it would take would be few more Orewa speeches written for either major political party by genocidal spindoctors, and Te Tiriti would be legally reduced to an anachronism, a so called nullity yet again. So we take the slow road and our hope is in young people, the next generation of Tangata Tiriti who have the courage to face our history and our present. Our hope is in the role models, the Tangata Tiriti all over this country who are living Te Tiriti the best they can, the elders we rely on as all cultures rely on their elders. Our hope is also in the awe inspiring manaaki that tangata whenua continue to extend to us, but for just how long?”
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0702/S00068.htm

    * but the Maori Party got a constitutional review anyway… MMP

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  19. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Manolo,

    Interesting. A chap call Reagan compromised too – it was probably in our best interests that he (and Gorbachev) did.

    Or are you suggesting that Reagan was also a “Neville”, as you use the term.

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  20. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    Thats right, because in the real world compromise never ever happens. Let me guess, you’re not married with kids :)

    Equating NZ with Britain and pre war Europe is spurious at best, like most of your arguments Manolo, built for effect not rational thought or discussion. Compromise allows us to steer a middle path, keeping dangerous far right – and left – morons on the outer edges where they belong.

    But then Im sure you and red would enjoy a battle of wits with hamfisted. :)

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  21. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    Catherine Delahunty:
    “Our hope is in the role models, the Tangata Tiriti all over this country who are living Te Tiriti the best they can, the elders we rely on as all cultures rely on their elders.”

    unless they are white because:

    “The Pakeha contradiction comes from our origins, so many of us being the descendants of families starved out of Ireland, burnt out of the Highlands of Scotland and made surplus people in the English class system. We, the children of cannon fodder and global capitalism can barely acknowledge the loss of bones and sacred places left on the other side of the world. The severing from ancestors and from the land has brought us material advantage and spiritual emptiness. The denial of this condition assists us in our denial of the tangata whenua indigenous reality and justifies our control of resources. But it has required a weird forgetfulness.”

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  22. hj (7,033 comments) says:

    Green MP (voted #4 by the Marxist inflitraitors)

    “It is to be hoped that tangata whenua will be the largest cultural grouping in their own country again.”

    it is to be hoped they have larger families so they can out number us.

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  23. Reid (16,514 comments) says:

    What sort of a human being is this lady? His daughter is the Kiwi facing life in a Chinese prison for drugs, and the mother isn’t telling him anything about their daughter. He didn’t even know she’d been facing death before the sentence was commuted, and he has no address so he can’t even write to her.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10841875

    “I’d love to get a letter to her, I want her to know that I care,” Hepi said.

    Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesman Adham Crichton said people who were arrested overseas nominated a specific person who dealt with the Government. Information about a case was usually only given to that specific person.

    “We are keeping the nominated point of contact informed about the situation,” Crichton said.

    The Herald on Sunday understands Teresa’s mother is the point of contact. She and Gary Hepi are not together and she did not return calls last night.

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  24. gopolks (52 comments) says:

    Three more years.

    October 21st 2015 is the day, the greatest
    day in the History of Earth, no day on
    earth will be happier for all the earth’s humans.

    You see October 21 2015 is the day that (according
    to the movie back to the future 2) we finally get
    HOVERBOARDS!!!

    Sure, here on October 21 2012, some physics
    professors,such as Michio Kaku might say, “We
    aren’t that advanced yet and we won’t have
    Hoverboards by 2015″

    Well I say “Not with that attitude”

    I believe in Marty, Doc and Jennifer, I believe
    the date October 21 2015 was picked for a
    reason, I believe that on every corner of the
    planet, we will have Hoverboards, some
    might even have pitbulls, and the future
    will be here.

    We won’t have flying cars, or clothes that
    dry themselves, or any other gadget like
    that, but we will have HOVERBOARDS!

    So to the world’s scientist’s, to the Geeks,
    to the engineers, to the brainiest people
    on earth, stop worrying about creating
    what you have been creating, it is now, October
    21 2012, you have three more years, three
    more years, till you give the people of earth,
    the greatest invention in HISTORY.

    HOVERBOARDS!

    THREE MORE YEARS!!

    THREE MORE YEARS!!

    THREE MORE YEARS!!!

    UNTIL…..

    HOVERBOARDS!!!!

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  25. Falafulu Fisi (2,179 comments) says:

    A christian white man wanted.

    Hey, you all white christian men out there (under 50 years of age), my cousin from the village told me on the phone yesterday, that one of the young ladies in the village is keen to hook up with a christian white man in NZ. Her educational background, she only went up to 5th form high school back in Tonga. She can speak English, but not perfect (as it is her 2nd language). She wants any man from any background from here in NZ. Her main motivation is that she wants to make a better life for herself and may be do further education here (if she’s married to a local white man), perhaps as an opera singer, secretarial work or something, because she’s a good village singer. She’s only 26 and she works as a waitress at the Tongan Dateline Hotel. Looks is not important to her, because she believes that she can make a good life with a reasonable christian white man in this country (a conservative man) irrelevant of their background (be it a farmer or a lawyer, etc, – she can do the laundry, cook, clean the house , etc,…).

    I asked my cousin, why she wanted a whiteman only and not any other, like a Tongan man in NZ, a maori, an asian guy, etc, … and he told me, that the lady specifically likes a whiteman because she wants to have children (half caste kids) because they’re beautiful & good looking. Her older sister is married to an Aussie man and their kids are beautiful. May be David Garret can tell us about his kids (David is married to a Tongan woman – we know). She is not a typical fat Tongan. She is slim, but can sing with a voice like Kiri Tekanawa . She is the lead voice in the opera duet from this village religious performance.

    If you’re interested, then please ask David Farrar about my email address and you can contact me, so I can give you the contact detail in Tonga. You can make contact with her (or her family) directly.

    Not nutters please.

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  26. Redbaiter (9,122 comments) says:

    “bhudson is dead on the money.”

    Bhudson is a dumbarsed liberal media suckhole and almost everything he ever writes here is 100% wrong, including his one sided propaganda (above) on why the Key/ Smith ETS was a good thing. Its all just weak and irrational easily confronted propaganda.

    HmmorightitisIamablitheringdickwad is another such idiot, and its the likes of these blind easily duped fools with their propensity to believe everything they are told by politicians who make democracy such hard work, and who have brought NZ’s cultural, economic and social condition to possibly its lowest point ever.

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  27. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    Fala: Well, what an interesting coincidence that I should log in and see your post!

    I need to be very careful what I say here…thanks the the media, anyone who is interested knows my wife and I are no longer together (and unlikely to reconcile), and that it all ended badly. While I bear a considerable responsibility for our marriage not working, let’s just say I would NEVER do the cross cultural thing again….and particularly not with a young lady from the background you describe which is …familiar.

    Having said all that, my children are indeed extremely attractive (in others’ eyes and not just mine) and are doing extremely well at school. They both play several sports very well. I am told that is at least in part likely to be down to “hybrid vigour”; the initial pairing of two entirely different genetic strains giving rise to progeny that are superior to either of their parents. And they are both delightful kids – the biggest reason of all that I would never return to frontline politics.

    So there you go chaps!

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  28. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    “HmmorightitisIamablitheringdickwad”

    I laugh in your general direction, you sad old man. You mumble generic bollocks and claim it as fact, without understanding that the ‘freedom’ you espouse comes only through totalitarianism, that you profess to despise so much, and then fails in the long run.

    Contradiction, much? But then in terms of intellectual horsepower you rank up there with my blender. And it slightly outstrips you, its got multiple speeds. You have one, and its flat out dense all day long.

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  29. Viking2 (11,491 comments) says:

    Fala. You know DPF’s email and he is free.! Well currently in Vietnam but will be home soon.

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  30. Falafulu Fisi (2,179 comments) says:

    David Garret, its sad to know about your situation (regarding your marriage), but I think it is a modern day thing, irrelevant of of the backgrounds of the married couple, be it same race or cross-race marriage. It seems that modern day, it is more likely that married couples split up whether they’re both from the same race or not. Compare that to previous generation, say 50 years or so ago. Those generations, they had the same difficulties as we have today (modern relationships), but they stuck together unlike today, there are more split ups now compared to our parents’ and grand-parents’ generations. They went thru the normal ups & downs in a relationship as we witness today, but they stuck to each other. Today, it is the norm, that when the going gets tough, the only solution is to split.

    ———–

    Viking, I know that Davia Farray is single, but I’m not sure whether he likes Island girls or not, so I’ll leave it upto him.

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  31. TheContrarian (1,086 comments) says:

    “Even a scarecrow would be better than the Kenyan!”

    Wow, that’s not at all racist. Will you now refer to Romney as the Mexican? Or maybe McCain as a Panamanian?

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  32. Viking2 (11,491 comments) says:

    One of the country’s biggest schools is already considering its options after changes that allow boards to set new start times – meaning they could offer morning and afternoon programmes from the same school, effectively doubling student numbers.

    An idea whose time has arrived albeit 25 years later than it should be.

    The time-shifting changes are covered in the Education Amendment Bill, lodged in Parliament last week, and extend nationwide the flexible timetabling allowed in Christchurch schools after the Canterbury earthquake.

    Mt Albert Grammar School headmaster Dale Burden says flexible timetables could be useful for popular schools operating at capacity. “Given the demand we have and the growth – we have around 2000 students but could easily have 4000 who want to be here – it would work.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/7844128/Double-bunked-schools-on-cards

    Look out for the usual screaming and yelling from the teachers and their mothers little helpers.

    And yes I spent years doing shift work and it will suit many many families.

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  33. tom hunter (4,898 comments) says:

    Sunday and tons of rain mean I can’t dig a trench in the lawn and connect up the stormwater pipes. But I did back my wife’s car into the garage after finding the driver’s window smashed in when we lazily left the car parked on the street. Nothing was stolen, there was nothing to steal inside the car, so am assuming simple, basic nastiness from some passing asshole – and this in one of the nicer parts of Auckland. I’ll file the usual farcical police report to satisfy the insurance company – and that will be that. Life in NZ.

    Anyway, a good news link and bad/sad news link. First the bad news from Daniel Hannan: Have a Look at this poster

    Take a close look at this promotional poster. Notice anything? Alongside the symbols of Christianity, Judaism, Jainism and so on is one of the wickedest emblems humanity has conceived: the hammer and sickle.

    Yet here it sits on a poster in the European Commission, advertising the moral deafness of its author (I hope that’s what it is, rather than lingering nostalgia). The Bolshevist sigil celebrates the ideology which, in strict numerical terms, must be reckoned the most murderous ever devised by our species. That it can be passed unremarked day after day in the corridors of Brussels is nauseating.

    And now the good news link:

    “Hey, everybody,” Jon Stewart yells in his usual way, trying to get people stoked for the show. “Welcome to ‘The Daily Show,’ my name is Jon Stewart. We got a good one for you tonight. On our program, uh…” He looks comically at his notes as if maybe he forgot he has the President of the United States on his show. He continues, using a rising inflection obviously intended to evoke a strong response from the audience: “this evening, tonight, the President of the United States Barack Obama…”

    Nothing.

    Cheers were intended there. Stewart elongates the sentence with material that I think was either improvised or intended to be muttered overwhelmed by rapturous noise from the audience: “… will be joining us on the program tonight.” And then a joke: “He’s the star of the new film ‘Here Comes the Boom.'” And that gets a laugh, a small laugh, which is interesting because of the way it points up the contrast to the utter absence of reaction to the news that the President was on the show.

    Awwwwwww

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  34. Viking2 (11,491 comments) says:

    Ah the ungrateful poor!

    After an enthusiastic take-up, some schools have seen nearly a 90 per cent decline in the number of kids receiving milk each day, with many blaming the taste of the ultra heat treated (UHT) milk.

    “The kids wrote letters to Fonterra thanking them for the milk, but fewer were drinking it because of the taste it left in their mouth,” said Dave Bradley, Wellsford School principal.

    The school said half the 240 children initially drinking the milk have opted out.

    At Kaiwaka nearly 70 of the school’s 86 children were drinking the milk. It is now down to 10.

    “I am beginning to wonder if kids are so used to sugar that they don’t want to drink milk anymore,” said principal Barb

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/7844135/Milk-giveaway-goes-sour-as-kids-drop-out

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  35. TheContrarian (1,086 comments) says:

    In fact, fuck you Manolo. I married a white South African so would you refer to her as “the African”? I bet you fucking wouldn’t…but if she were black?

    Fucking scum bag

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  36. Viking2 (11,491 comments) says:

    The taxpayer paid more than $26,000 for Associate Housing Minister Tariana Turia and a senior private secretary to attend, while the Department of Building and Housing paid about $8000 to send one of its staff.

    Turia said she had no idea how many others were paid for by the Government, and there was no official delegation. But she did use a ministerial credit card to pay for a $2000 dinner for the group, and one of those who attended said there was “absolutely” a delegation, and that it included a Waitangi Tribunal judge and his wife, and an Auckland District Health Board senior maternity expert.

    Cmon you Rodney bustewrs.
    Get stuck into this leach.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7844142/Housing-delegation-trip-costs-under-fire

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  37. TimG_Oz (862 comments) says:

    My take on Joe Carolan’s “anti-racism” protest.

    http://timgoz.blogspot.com.au/2012/10/counter-protest-to-racism-by-socialist.html

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  38. backster (2,174 comments) says:

    But VIKING what about the 270,000 starving schoolkids Cindy says are going to school without breakfast?

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  39. Reid (16,514 comments) says:

    Very good 10 min summary of the history of the US interaction with Iran from the 1950’s to present. The last bit of it draws an interesting parallel outlining how the US might feel if everything it has done to Iran, was instead done to it by Iran. Bear in mind this is simply well known completely accepted history, you can’t argue against it because this is what really did happen.

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  40. TheContrarian (1,086 comments) says:

    @Reid

    The US/Iran story is very interesting indeed. They have danced around each other for decades now.

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  41. Redbaiter (9,122 comments) says:

    Thank you for that comforting message HmmOKIamsodumbIcan’teventhinkofaname.

    I’ll place it in the overflowing “hate messages from the left” file.

    One thing I know.

    The more hate I generate, the more effect I am having.

    (Cue predictable “I don’t hate I pity” response.)

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  42. Reid (16,514 comments) says:

    Maybe the dumbest talkback caller ever – bet she’s a lefty.

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  43. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    Oh dear Red…”they are commenting about me so I am hitting the mark” is one of Penny’s lines…Do you REALLY want to be like her?

    What’s your real name again? At least Penny uses hers…

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  44. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    “Fremaux said people needed to “take simple steps to avoid being a victim” such as avoiding walking alone through parks.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-earthquake-2011/7844407/Suburban-attacks-jolt-for-quake-city

    Sound advice. The exact sort of advice that led to the ridiculous world wide slut walks. Luckily the above comment isn’t about females.

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  45. TheContrarian (1,086 comments) says:

    “The more hate I generate, the more effect I am having.”

    Don’t you mean:

    “The more hate I generate, the more people think I have some weird parasitic brain lesion which causes me to act like a guy 50 years late to McCarthy’s birthday party.”

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  46. Griff (7,818 comments) says:

    I was watching a doco on that
    nutter who went postal in Norway
    Had his manifesto
    startling paralal with a certain poster on here

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  47. Redbaiter (9,122 comments) says:

    Garret, it continues to amaze me that one of such clearly low intellect made it to parliament.

    Or to be more blunt, someone so fucking dumb had the utter narcissistic arrogance to stand as a representative of the people.

    Really, if people need someone as slow witted and generally ignorant as you to represent them, then what the hell does that say about their own capacities?

    “they are commenting about me so I am hitting the mark” is not what I said, and that you think it is is another pointer to –

    1) a lack of education- you can’t do comprehension

    2) low intelligence- you couldn’t be taught comprehension

    3) inability to think strategically- more signs of thickness

    What I said was that the more hate mail I get from the left, the more I know I am getting under their skin. That’s actually quite a different meaning to the glib and inaccurate analysis you applied.

    But don’t go yet. There’s more. You do understand the concept of choice don’t you? That’s where you can think about an issue and decide what decision to make. You thought about the dilemma of using your real name or not (like Penny Dull) and decided to do so. Now what? Do you want to take away that choice from other contributors?

    Go get a life you silly tearful little man.

    No wonder your wife left you, you probably bored her to tears with your endless carping about small time crap. (And you were probably far too much of a wet liberal for a good Conservative Samoan anyway. )

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  48. TheContrarian (1,086 comments) says:

    “someone so fucking dumb had the utter narcissistic arrogance to stand as a representative of the people.”

    Put up or shut up. Go stand as a representative Red, lets see where it gets you. I have no love for Garret but your screed is a hypocritical pile of shit

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  49. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    John2 were you briefed on Kim dot com?
    John1 I can’t remember
    John 1 did you sign off off on gcsb serveillance?
    John 2 I don’t remember
    John 2 did you vote for 18 or 20?
    John 1 I don’t remember
    John 1 did we promise tax cuts?
    John 2 not to my knowledge
    John 2 did you give a speech at,the 2008 national convention promising equal treatment for all New Zealanders?
    John 1 my memory is hazy about that
    John 2 sorry what’s your name again?
    John 1 err let me think
    John 1 are we the national labour or Maori party?
    John 2 I dunno.

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  50. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    Bugger wrong thread must have amnesia keys disease

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  51. Redbaiter (9,122 comments) says:

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/07/a_bad_look.html

    Just one example of the many occasions in the past where I have written on here and elsewhere in defence of David Garret.

    As far as Kiwiblog and Garret go, I was always one of his prime defenders against the legion of the usual left wing hate merchants that pollute this site.

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  52. Longknives (4,767 comments) says:

    Morning Zapper- Was it you I just heard on Radio Sport howling and wailing away about the “crooked bloody ref”??

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  53. thedavincimode (6,803 comments) says:

    arsebaiter

    What do you put the abject failure of your bog site down to? Is it just you?

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  54. Redbaiter (9,122 comments) says:

    Oh wow, Davinci is back and as usual, the focus is on Redbaiter.

    Just can’t shake the obsession right you sad pitiful old fag?

    My blog is only an “abject failure” in the minds of my attackers Davinci. I’m quite happy with its level of support, and considering I don’t have the time to blog full time and consistently, (the only way to make blogging a real success) then it does far better than I have any right to expect.

    Actually, when I did have the time to do it full time, and put up a number of posts every day, it went very well, and I am sure if I ever got back into it I could replicate that success.

    However, it will not ever be a place where obsessive hate merchants such as you and RRM (for example) can comment, so of course that means I’m automatically rejecting a large part of the audience that comes to Kiwiblog.

    No regrets at all about that though.

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  55. Manolo (13,839 comments) says:

    davinci, did you train the fool aka The Foucaldian Contrarian?
    Are you, mate, responsible for his sudden apparition on this hitherto respectable blog? :-)

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  56. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    Falafulu Fisi you must be bloody joking, an uneducated Tongan wants to get into NZ so she can join her relatives on their knees every Sunday.
    Slim, sure, until she has had a couple of kids then she will bloom out to 120 kg.

    Hey, have you paid the Tongan government back yet for the scholarship money they gave you thinking you would go back to Tonga ?

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  57. Manolo (13,839 comments) says:

    The NZ Police would prosecute her for causing bodily harm: http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8551522/girl-12-shoots-burglar-in-home

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  58. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    That Red, he’s sharp eh? Red, your country needs you and your insights! Here’s what you need to do:

    1. Join a political party (if you can find one which will have you) or set up your own (if you have a spare million or three)

    2. Get selected as a candidate. Make sure your meds are just right before the selection meeting. If you get through it withou a spasm, leave as quickly as possible afterwards. Vent in the privacy of your hotel room, preferably alone.

    3. If by some miracle you manage to get selected – or if that is unnecessary as you are the leader of the “Red is Right” party, compose a “stump speech” that you think will be supported by many, that doesn’t offend any minority group too much, and that you can get through without losing it. This step may take some time.

    4. Be ready to be interviewed off the cuff anywhere anytime by anyone. They won’t necessarily have a camera; anyone with a cell phone is journo now. Try not to sound too hydrophobic during any of those interviews. Above all, don’t physically attack anyone. This can be very difficult, especially when the interviewer is trying his or her best to wind you up – I know.

    5. Go smiling to the polling booth and vote for yourself. Hope like hell 10 or 20 thousand others do the same.

    Good Luck!

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  59. Redbaiter (9,122 comments) says:

    “Good Luck!”

    Thanks, but its much more politically effective for me to comment on blogs than to be any part of a political process I actually despise because of its utter and complete corruption by the left.

    I will never ever dance to the tune of those corrupt lying scum.

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  60. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    I don’t think Redbaiter needs meds, he just needs to chill out.

    There’s nothing for you to worry about Redbaiter The Right are in power and implementing all the Tory policies they can think of.

    I’d hate to know how stressed you get when the Left are in power.

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  61. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    But Red, if you form the “Red is Right” party you won’t NEED to “dance to the tune of [any] corrupt lying scum” !

    And since you have such insight, obvious ability and charisma, surely there are enough thoroughly like minded people around to elect you? Somewhere? And then once you’re in, well…tall trees from acorns grow, as they say….the sky’s the limit!

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  62. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    tom hunter (3,695) Says:
    October 21st, 2012 at 10:58 am

    And now the good news link:

    “Hey, everybody,” Jon Stewart yells in his usual way, trying to get people stoked for the show. “Welcome to ‘The Daily Show,’ my name is Jon Stewart. We got a good one for you tonight. On our program, uh…” He looks comically at his notes as if maybe he forgot he has the President of the United States on his show. He continues, using a rising inflection obviously intended to evoke a strong response from the audience: “this evening, tonight, the President of the United States Barack Obama…”

    Nothing.

    Cheers were intended there. Stewart elongates the sentence with material that I think was either improvised or intended to be muttered overwhelmed by rapturous noise from the audience: “… will be joining us on the program tonight.” And then a joke: “He’s the star of the new film ‘Here Comes the Boom.’” And that gets a laugh, a small laugh, which is interesting because of the way it points up the contrast to the utter absence of reaction to the news that the President was on the show.

    Awwwwwww

    I guess this is proof of the old adage, “Never underestimate the power of wishful thinking”.

    And mix in a dash of “How right wing nutters manufacture their unique unreality”.

    Meanwhile, back in the real world:

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-october-18-2012/barack-obama-pt–1

    The link opens (after the inevitable ad) with the sight of Obama being welcomed with rapturous applause…

    My own impression when I watched the whole show yesterday was that Stewart was guiding his audience past any applause delay so he could get on with the show.

    The fictional world created by Tom and his informant (RWNJs generally) is purely a figment of their own active imaginations.

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  63. tom hunter (4,898 comments) says:

    The fictional world created by Tom and his informant (RWNJs generally) is purely a figment of their own active imaginations.

    The RWNJ in this case was liberal law professor (based in one of the centres of US liberalism, Madison, Wisconsin) and 2008 Obama voter – Ann Althouse.

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  64. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    TimG_Oz (747) Says:
    October 21st, 2012 at 11:04 am
    My take on Joe Carolan’s “anti-racism” protest.

    An article on George Orwell’s anti-semitism:’
    http://www.bookforum.com/inprint/019_03/10013

    With some interesting stuff in the comments section, especially in delinking racism (anti-semitism, in this context) from legitimate protest against the illegal and inhumane conduct of Israel.

    It’s sad watching a whole nation of people justifying the dispossession and oppression of an ethnic group – racism, pure and simple – on the basis of past wrongs awarding themselves a sense of entitlement to be spared criticism for their actions.

    And of course, it’s even more sad for their victims.

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  65. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Ann Althouse

    A liberal who attacks the Obamas and defends Romney.

    Hmmm…

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  66. tom hunter (4,898 comments) says:

    A liberal who attacks the Obamas and defends Romney.

    Awwwwww – another unthinking Luc counter-attack down the tube.

    Ann Althouse is a liberal who thinks for herself. You’d better watch it Luc, with your criticisms of Obama you could be placed in the same RWNJ category by some partisan shill.

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  67. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    Afternoon longknives. I suspected you’d be very happy today. Imagine your glee if someone manages to beat us!

    No it wasn’t me on radiosport, but the ref was terrible. Not as terrible as Nonu who couldn’t catch anything all night, or Weepu who gave Carter a terrible pass right at the end. Not as terrible as Higginbotham who became the latest thug to cheapshot our captain. I bet you cheered when you saw that.

    I’d have preferred to win obviously. If I had to choose a match not to win against the Wallabies I suppose it would be this one. Poor performance, but not poor enough to lose to the #2 team in the world, who played above themselves. Doesn’t that say something.

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  68. thedavincimode (6,803 comments) says:

    Ah, the old excessive justification ramble. So it is because of you.

    BTW. hardly an obsession old dear. If you didn’t come here I wouldn’t think about you, apart from when I step over something unpleasant on the footpath.

    But I don’t understand why you don’t just post the hate you post here over at your bog. Or is it just too much effort. I guess you find that ranting, raving and repeating old news here is a lot easier than getting off your arse and actually doing something.

    And why so quiet on Sarah nowadays? Didn’t reply to the love letters huh? Or didn’t you like her looking at the pesky Russians from her kitchen window?

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  69. Longknives (4,767 comments) says:

    Zapper- Wasn’t that the same ref you were raving about the other night for his ‘brilliant’ performance in the RWC final??
    I figured you’d be outraged by Higginbotham- I wonder if you were similarly outraged when McCaw smashed the French goalkickers face in? Or when Mealamu headbutted Lewis Moody? Oh that’s right- when our beloved boys resort to thuggery we beat our chests and crow “this ain’t tiddleywinks”..(like we did after Umaga’s speartackling ‘heroics’ in the 05 Lions series)
    No mention of the Wallabies having six or seven out injured either? Come now- If this All Black team were half as good as everyone has been crowing surely they would have put that Wallaby ‘B’ side away by 50 points??

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  70. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    But it’s lonely for the poor old bastard at his own blog Davinci. I fear that Trueblue is doomed to be the internet equivalent of a haunted house.

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  71. thedavincimode (6,803 comments) says:

    Yes indeed … [Team America font] … “He’s so ronery … “

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  72. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    Same old shit longknives. I’ve addressed the unfortunate accident that saw Parra knocked out of the final.

    Do you actually not believe it’s possible for the same ref to put in a good performance one day and a poor performance the next? Really?

    Your bitterness is obvious, your arguments are terrible. You’re not a Scotsman by any chance?

    I’m fully aware our players make mistakes and are not perfect. Not sure where you got the idea that I said that. I will point out your blatant mistakes/lies though.

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  73. Viking2 (11,491 comments) says:

    Something nice to ponder over on a wet sunday afternoon.

    http://www.dailylife.com.au/photogallery/dl-beauty/celebs-go-nude-for-fragrance-ads-20121004-270pn.html?selectedImage=11

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  74. Viking2 (11,491 comments) says:

    Garrett. Yesterday I think ,you were unappreachatting of Tooth Fairy’s.
    Well this just came thru for you.

    Smile.
    http://www.therealtoothfairies.com/registration

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  75. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    Red: “but its much more politically effective for me to comment on blogs”

    Thank you for that. Comedy gold.

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  76. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    It’s sad watching a whole nation of people justifying the dispossession and oppression of an ethnic group – racism, pure and simple – on the basis of past wrongs awarding themselves a sense of entitlement to be spared criticism for their actions.

    Luc, you need to get your head around the fact that what you label “racist” is really just human nature. People tend to prefer their own cultural and racial groups. That’s life. Get over it.

    Your ideas of racial equality are held by virtually no one. Most of the world lives in places like China and India. I can assure you that they have very different views to yours. I can assure you that our black brothers, for example, are not highly regarded amongst the biggest cultural/racial group in the world. Asians. You can rest assured that your Palestinian friends agree with me too.

    Even within our own society, it is only in very recent times that the idea of treating other races as equals has been popularised. It is an idea that is not really catching on and remains a social experiment.

    You alienate most of the world’s people with your liberal Western ideology, which is just the thing you think you are not doing. You arrogantly assume that your view is the “right” one and the standard by which all others should be judged.
    Screaming racist at people makes a bigger statement about you than it does about them. You may as well accuse them of being human!

    None of this justifies the mis-treatment of fellow human beings on the basis of race/culture etc. Regardless of our differences we can achieve far more by working together. Getting all uppity and self righteous (about racism) does nothing to foster that.

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  77. big bruv (13,934 comments) says:

    David Garrett.

    Don’t worry about old Bedwetter. He has been telling lies for years.

    Some months ago he told us all that he had waged a “ten year war against the left” and was dumb enough to claim that he had had some victories.

    I (and others) asked him at that time to name one of those victories, to date he has been unable to do so.

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  78. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Kea

    That “people tend to prefer their own cultural and racial groups’ is not racism and does not necessarily entail ‘dehumanising’ people, as Nazis did to European Jews and Israeli do to Palestinians. And the prevalence, such as it exists of racism in cultures other than western does not mean it should be accepted.

    You say my views alienate most of the world’s people – really? Does that include the people of almost every nation in the world that have ratified the Universal Declaration of Human Rights? And UNDRIP? Like the aforementioned RWNJs, you are inventing your own unreality and proclaiming primacy. No thanks, mate.

    And who would you like me to work with, Kea? The poisonous John Ansell’s of this world? Bibi Netanyahu, who struts the world stage proclaiming himself a messenger of peace while accelerating dispossession in the West Bank and planning Israel’s next mass slaughter of Arabs/Persians/Muslims?

    You know, you don’t need to pick an argument just for the sake of it, and saying we shouldn’t call out evil where we see it is simply giving license to the evildoers.

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  79. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Don’t be too hard on poor old Luc people.

    As a nudist it’s very cold for him just now with this awfull weather, hard for him to think straight .
    Imagine how you would feel if you were so cold that your willie had shrunk to the size of a peanut.
    He must be worried sick, poor sod.

    He may begin to make some sense later in the year as it warms up.

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  80. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    BB, I suspect when he said “that he had waged a “ten year war against the left” and was dumb enough to claim that he had had some victories.” he meant that boring some of them to death should be considered a victory.

    I mean its not like he fronts up about North Island Masturbating Champion 2009,2010, 2011 & 2012 now is it?

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  81. Harriet (4,988 comments) says:

    “….Getting all uppity and self righteous (about racism) does nothing to foster that….”

    Crap!

    Racism is either good or bad – and exists or does not exist.

    There is a place for racism or no place for racism.

    You cannot eradicate racism with only part of the populace trying to eradicate it.

    Maori don’t get this – or if they do – then they too are being racist in what they do from time to time.

    See?….self righteousness does foster the eradication of racism Kea. :cool:

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  82. Fletch (6,410 comments) says:

    The US/Iran story is very interesting indeed. They have danced around each other for decades now.

    It looks like Obama is rushing to do something with Iran before he has to front up Monday in the last election debate which is all about his foreign policy.

    Absolutely in line with what I predicted her [sic] just five days ago (this news is step one of what I expect to be a three-step process), Iran has agreed to direct “talks” with the Obama administration. I call BS on this. This is nothing other than an Iranian attempt to bolster Obama’s re-election chances. It is a cynical, dirty game being played by both Obama and Iran — the same Iran whose “Green Revolution” died when Obama refused to say even a single word in favor of the pro-Western reformers who gathered in the tens of thousands against Iranian repression and corruption,

    [...]

    Curious, isn’t it, that this “agreement” comes just in time for Monday’s presidential debate on foreign policy? Methinks it is an attempt to distract attention from the growing scandal related to Obama’s handling of matters in Libya, so that Iran, instead of Libya, draws most of the questions from a compliant Bob Schieffer.

    http://spectator.org/blog/2012/10/20/obamas-october-non-surprise

    Very cynical indeed.

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  83. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Does that include the people of almost every nation in the world that have ratified the Universal Declaration of Human Rights? And UNDRIP? Like the aforementioned RWNJs, you are inventing your own unreality and proclaiming primacy. No thanks, mate.

    Yes it does include those people. If it did not, then why would you be blurting ouT “racist” in so many of your posts ?

    On one hand your claiming that almost every nation in the world has signed up to various human rights declarationS, (and that is evidence they oppose racists beliefs) then you start banging on about racist beliefs in those exact same countries. You can not have it both ways.

    You then go on to shoot yourself in the foot by giving a specific example of how worthless those declarations are with this outburst “Israel’s next mass slaughter of Arabs/Persians/Muslims”.

    You are also incredibly naive ( I am being charitable here) in thinking people sign up to these agreements, because they want to treat others nicely, regardless or race/religion/culture. The reality is that many do it to ensure THEIR rights.

    You disagree………. well tell KB readers if Israel has made such declarations regarding human rights?

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  84. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Tom’s obsessing over my description of Ann Althouse as a RWNJ and I admit applying the label more in fun than as a result of a rigorous search of her positions and posts.

    However, I wasn’t too far out and, for sure, defining her as liberal is at odds to what I have read subsequently.

    Here is one comment:

    For example, although she usually sides with conservatives (she’s a member of the Conservative Blog Advertising Network, which sells ads on her site), she’s pro-choice, and moderate on many issues. While she publicly backed George Bush in 2004, which brought thousands of new followers to her blog after she was singled out by the popular political blog, Instapundit.com, she supported Barack Obama in 2008. These days, she claims to be neither an opponent nor a fan of the president: “The economy is going badly, but it’s hard to say whose fault it is,” says Ms. Althouse.

    Source: http://www.law.nyu.edu/alumni/almo/pastalmos/2010-11ALMOs/annalthousefebruary/index.htm

    So Tom, relax. I’ll concede you half points, but this little tempest in an alehouse reinforces a point I often make: that by our standards, ‘liberal’ in the US usually denotes views ranging from slightly left of Act to slightly right of Ghengis Khan.

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  85. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Harriet, you first have to establish that racism is wrong, for your post to have any point. Don’t “assume it” prove it…

    There are sound evolutionary reasons for racist beliefs. In short, its about preserving your genetic material. Its the same reason you prefer your kids, over others, and why “blood is thicker than water”. Do you also think people should not love their kids and families? The fact is that racist beliefs exist for the same reasons. This extends to other bonds, such as religion, sports teams and many other things.

    Luc’s full of shit. If he thought (for example) that Muslims, Niggers, Chinks and others were his true equals, he would assume they only need equal treatment, not special consideration. Yeah I know………. I am a RACIST !!!! Funny that I am sitting next to a Muslim (unusual for a Chinese) as I write this, while pricks like Luc are sitting in their white middle class cocoons, flat out trying to prove how enlightened and moral they are. Luc stands for nothing and no one respects that in any culture.

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  86. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Kea

    The fact that countries signing up to lofty declarations of principles does not automatically mean all racist actions, for example, immediately cease. As Key would say, it’s aspirational. It’s naive indeed to think that merely signing a piece of paper would eliminate evil acts or dehumanising ideologies.

    But If one is confronted with plainly racist statements, so common on KB, even if the perpetrator does not yet understand that his/her comments are racist, what do you suggest? Give them a standing ovation?

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  87. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    if the perpetrator does not yet understand that his/her comments are racist,

    “DOES NOT YET UNDERSTAND”

    What breathtaking arrogance!

    Its not about “understanding” (eg: agreeing with you) its about a point of view. Do your really think that people would feel comfortable telling you their real views on these matters, or do you think they would be more open with someone like myself who does not jump on his high-horse and get all hysterical? Who do you think would have greater influence in changing a persons views? (hint, its not you)

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  88. tom hunter (4,898 comments) says:

    Tom’s obsessing ….

    Luc, with egg on his face over the initial use of the label “RWNJ” responds – when this is countered by a single reference, made to directly counter it – with another one: “obsessing”.

    Sad, but as Kea has already noted in his brief time on the blog …

    … why would you be blurting out “racist” in so many of your posts ?

    Because that’s what Luc does – the deligitimisation game – and he knows no other. It’s what people without arguments do: RWNJ,…. obsessive, ….. racist ….. – and shut up!

    No wonder the left are in such retreat.

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  89. Longknives (4,767 comments) says:

    So Greg King reckons the decision to bail Akshay Chand was “The right decision”.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10841987

    Surely the fact that he went and slaughtered the poor girl whilst on bail suggests this wasn’t the “right decision”.. and that Chand should have been held in Custody in the interests of both Victim and Public Safety?

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  90. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    Longknives

    …””So did the judge do the right thing? By law, he did.”….

    Note the ‘by law’ qualification which indicates that the law needs changing rather than the judge. The judiciary are bound by the legislation enacted by Parliament which in this case has proved to be up the pole & round the bend.

    Much of the crim hugging law we are saddled with was foisted upon us during the reign of Dear Leader. It has proved to be defective & needs rewriting.

    Now!

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  91. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    I just had a laugh Tom.

    My Muslim Chinese friend was watching a program about Akshay Chand murdering Christie Marcea, while on bail. She popped out the following:

    Her: I don’t like Indian.
    Me: What about black guys?
    Her: No. I no like them.
    Her: Why you laugh !

    It makes my point beautifully. She is herself subject to racist beliefs and Muslims are hardly flavor of the month either. Yet these are her sincere beliefs, expressed openly without a hint of malice.

    It demonstrates how much credibility people like Luc have.

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  92. Reid (16,514 comments) says:

    Everyone has 20/20 in hindsight Longknives. As I read that link King was simply saying it’s not a straightforward decision and the law weights the decision in favour of bail. If that’s the case then let’s look to change the current law.

    I too have been flabbergasted at the bail decision based on Chand’s letter and I wonder if the Judge ever wondered if he was being gamed and if not, why not? But OTOH the Judge is not a psychiatrist, he relies on experts for that, and perhaps it’s a dual problem, not just in the legal regime but in the psychological regime whereby, just as the police think everyone are criminals because that’s all they deal with day in and day out, perhaps the psychologists and psychiatrists similarly lose accurate sight of who is really crazy and whose not. If that is the case, then it’s easy to deal with the legal side, but it’s going to be extremely difficult to deal with the medical people, because of their very nature (non-judgemental, politically correct, etc etc etc). If that IS the case, then dealing properly with this issue is going to be as easy as stopping fairy tales about how it was before the hated Pakeha came being presented to the Waitangi Tribunal, for the attitude of the psychiatrists and psychologists is embedded into the system as deeply as those myths are embedded into the judicial decisions that come out of the Waitangi Tribunal.

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  93. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    Reid

    It seems hard to believe now but there was a time under the more enlightened reign of the Shah that Iran nearly made it into the twentieth century.

    Ref: http://9gag.com/gag/5502192

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  94. Viking2 (11,491 comments) says:

    Well actually commonsense indicates that it should be.
    Kidnapping for a start should lock anyone up but then add the threatening behavoir, the use of a knife to intimidate, Chand’s circumstance i.e. a home with no male, no ability to supervise his so called bail conditions, police recommendations, Chrissy M’s letter and plea and yes in most peoples mind it would be a very simple decision to lock him up or at least electronic bail him until he was fully assessed by the nut farmers.

    No person who takes part in any kidnap or kidnap attempt should be allowed free.

    But then logic and common sence, the law and Judges are not often bedmates.

    As for Dryhberg. Frankly that woman could justify letting Hitler loose.

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  95. Viking2 (11,491 comments) says:

    Govt cracks down on fishing competition prizes

    Sunday, 21, Oct, 2012 1:14PM

    There will be no more big prizes for fishing competitions, as organisers are told they’re falling foul of the gambling laws.

    Fifteen competition organisers have received warning letters from the Department of Internal Affairs ordering them to stop running raffles or barrel draws offering prizes worth more than $500.

    Fishing enthusiast Bill Hohepa says he can’t understand how fishing can be related to gambling.

    “Fishing competitions have been around for a long time, and one third of the country actually partakes in the sport. People have been brought up with fishing competitions, it’s the highlight of the holidays or highlight of the year. I think the government’s become control freaks, really.”

    The move has put one of the country’s top fishing contests, the Beach and Boat Fishing Competition, on hold while organisers work out what to do.

    Minister of Internal Affairs is whom?

    Direct reports

    The Department of Internal Affairs reports to seven Ministerial portfolios or responsibility areas, six separate Ministers and one Vote. Click on each name to view specific biographical information.

    Hon Chris Tremain

    Minister of Internal Affairs*
    Minister of Civil Defence

    *The Internal Affairs portfolio includes responsibility for Archives New Zealand and the New Zealand National
    Library.

    Rt Hon John Key

    Minister Responsible for Ministerial Services

    Hon Judith Collins

    Minister for Ethnic Affairs

    Hon David Carter

    Minister of Local Government

    Hon Nathan Guy

    Minister for Racing

    Hon Jo Goodhew

    Minister for the Community and Voluntary Sector

    Responsibilities to other Ministers

    The Department is responsible to the Minister of Finance, Hon Bill English in respect of community trusts (12 regional trusts that distribute resources to local communities from the proceeds of the sale of Trustee Banks) and to the Minister Foreign Affairs, Hon Murray McCully for the Peace and Disarmament Education Trust and the Pacific Development and Conservation Trust.

    Quite a collection of no hopers there. Doesn’t appear to be any fishermen either.
    National clearly haven’t got enough to do with getting jobs and commerce going, that they now have to stop people from enjoying themselves in a free competition in their own spare time. I guess the pokie operators or the racing dept or the Waitangi, we want it all, dept have created this.

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  96. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    I get why Muslims carry out terrorist attacks….. they’re promised 72 virgins when they go to heaven. What I don’t understand is what’s in it for those virgins. Here’s what they’re told: “You be a good little girl, always wear a burqa, always wear a veil. You cannot go to school, get a job, learn to read, vote, drive, dance, play games or listen to music. You must live a life of absolute humility & celibacy. Then when you die you will go to heaven… where you will be raped by evil terrorists & be their sex slave for the rest of eternity.”

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  97. Reid (16,514 comments) says:

    nasska Iran is like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nJYK1VhCXU. Iran isn’t what most people seem to think of it as: i.e. a bunch of sand dunes.

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  98. Viking2 (11,491 comments) says:

    Insane killer’s mother sought medical help
    By Joanne Carroll
    5:30 AM Sunday Oct 21, 2012

    The mother of Christie Marceau’s insane killer desperately tried to get help for her son while he was on bail.

    Akshay Chand was found not guilty of murder by insanity this week. He stabbed the teenager to death two months after he was granted bail on charges of kidnapping and assaulting her.

    Court documents show Suchita Chand took her son to her family doctor twice after his release.

    Within days she took him to Ajay Makal at the Byron Medical Centre in Takapuna. He prescribed 20mg of Citalopram, an antidepressant.
    —————–
    The rest is well worth a read.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news/article.cfm?c_id=30&objectid=10841853
    His relationship with his sister deteriorated after an argument. She became so fearful for her own safety that she stayed
    with friends while he was on bail.

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  99. David Garrett (7,318 comments) says:

    Nasska: You have hit the nail on the head…Judges – like members of the Parole Board – have to act in accordance with the law that governs them…and you are also quite right to sheet home the real responsibility to where it lies – legislation passed in the time of the dear leader.

    A classic is the Sentencing Act and the Parole Act 2002 – pre amendment. While the latter contains ONE LINE putting the safety of the community first – and that was only inserted after a fight – the rest of the Act can be paraphrased as “let them out just as soon as possible.”

    The Sentencing Act – again pre amendment – was even worse. It could be paraphrased as “you [judges] must give the most lenient sentence it is posssible to give …although you must give some consideration to public safety.” By and large – aside from 3S – the amendments the Nats have made are tinkering rather than substantive…such as changing the phrase “real risk” to “risk” as the test for granting bail to adults.

    What was really needed was a wholesale re-write of both Acts, but there was no way the Nats were going to do that after the 2008 election. They certainly are not going to do it now that Judith Collins is pretty much a lone voice amongst a sea of liberal…colleagues.

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  100. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    Reid

    Followed the link….good photos, nice scenery. I remember reading that Iran was the crossroads of the old trade routes & as such thrived thousands of years ago. It gained much from the influences of various cultures.

    Point is that it’s not the architecture, the infrastructure, the climate or even the people that make Iran a threat to the West. It’s the half baked, aggressive, hateful religion the inhabitants follow….just that.

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  101. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    @Kea (337) Says:
    October 21st, 2012 at 7:30 pm

    So your view is that racism exists, get over it, right?

    In my view, we should not make policy based on racism. We should discourage racism wherever we encounter it, even while acknowledging its prevalence.

    Politicians play the race card because it works. It works precisely because racism is so widespread and it infects this blog like burst tumor.

    The prejudice against Maori displayed on this blog is repellent and should not be left unchallenged. I haven’t noticed you being backwards in coming forward to promote your point of view on an issue, but as usual with all you ‘freedom loving’ types, you are the first to want to shut sown oppositional views.

    The freedom you love best is the freedom to oppress.

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  102. Nostalgia-NZ (5,221 comments) says:

    The Chand case was very precarious as it unfolded. Marie Dryberg mentioned some details last week which indicated there was some intervention care expected which he didn’t receive. That along with the mother’s efforts, the fearfulness of his sister probably shows that his family, others, should have insisted on medical intervention or having the case brought back to Court over either the issue of bail or some kind of committal. The Auckland Crown Prosecutor gave a good explanation of much of the detail of this, including his consideration of what a tragedy it was.
    It seems that electronic monitoring mustn’t be applicable to those being considered for bail?

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  103. Reid (16,514 comments) says:

    Point is… It’s the half baked, aggressive, hateful religion the inhabitants follow….just that.

    nasska what you seem to be doing to Iranians is precisely what foreigners might do to Maori after listening to that vocal minority who munt on about Te Tiriti: simply classify all of them into one amorphous blob who all think the same and who don’t have multiple layers of intelligence and understanding and politics.

    You know and I know the Maori nation aren’t like that. Why would Iranians be any different?

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  104. Viking2 (11,491 comments) says:

    I NEVER KNEW THIS ABOUT JAPAN

    They are indeed a very evolved race.

    Have you ever read in the newspaper that a political
    leader or a prime minister from an Islamic nation
    has visited Japan?

    Have you ever come across news that the King of
    Iran or a Saudi Arabia prince has visited Japan?

    Japan, a Country keeping Islam at bay.

    Japan has put strict restrictions on Islam and
    ALL Muslims.

    The reasons are:
    a) Japan is the only nation that does not give citizenship
    to Muslims.

    b) In Japan permanent residency is not given to Muslims.

    c) There is a strong ban on the propagation of Islam in
    Japan .

    d) In the University of Japan, Arabic or any Islamic
    language is not taught.

    e) One cannot import ‘Koran’ published in Arabic
    language.
    f) According to data published by Japanese government,
    it has given temporary residency to only 2 lakhs
    Muslims, who need to follow the Japanese Law
    of the Land. These Muslims should speak Japanese
    and carry their religious rituals in their homes.

    g) Japan is the only country in the world that has a
    negligible number of embassies of Islamic countries.
    h) Japanese people are not attracted to Islam at all.

    i) Muslims residing in Japan are the employees of
    foreign companies.

    j) Even today visas are not granted to Muslim doctors,
    engineers or managers sent by foreign companies.

    k) In the majority of companies, it is stated in their
    regulations that no Muslims should apply for a job.

    l) The Japanese government is of the opinion that
    Muslims are fundamentalist and even in the era
    of globalization, they are not willing to change
    their Muslim laws.

    m) Muslims can not even think about getting a rented
    house in Japan .

    n) If anyone comes to know that his neighbor is a
    Muslim then the whole neighbourhood stays alert.
    o) No one can start an Islamic cell or Arabic ‘Madarsa’
    in Japan

    p) There is no personal (Sharia) law in Japan .

    q) If a Japanese woman marries a Muslim then she is
    considered an outcast forever.

    r) According to Mr. Komico Yagi (Head of Department,
    Tokyo University ) “There is a mind frame in Japan
    that Islam is a very narrow minded religion and one
    should stay away from it.”

    s) Freelance journalist Mohammed Juber toured many
    Islamic countries after 9/11 including Japan . He found
    that the Japanese were confident that extremists could
    do no harm in Japan .

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  105. Reid (16,514 comments) says:

    Marie Dryberg mentioned some details last week which indicated there was some intervention care expected which he didn’t receive.

    That seems to be a hole doesn’t it, again, it seems to come back to the political correctness with which the medicos treat “patients” as opposed to “criminals.”

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  106. Viking2 (11,491 comments) says:

    This day has arrived with iphones etc.

    Einstein was right
    Albert Einstein:
    “I fear the day when the technology overlaps with our humanity. The world will only have a generation of idiots.”

    Been anywhere with a group of late?

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  107. Viking2 (11,491 comments) says:

    Please stop emailing me about my dog. He’s not for sale.

    Please be advised I am sick and tired of receiving questions about my dog
    who mauled six illegal immigrants, four Greenies wearing FCUK tee shirts,
    two rappers, nine teenagers with pants hanging down past their cracks,
    eight customer service desk people speaking in broken English, three pairs
    of Jehovah’s Witnesses, and a Pakistani taxi driver.>
    FOR THE LAST TIME. THE DOG *IS NOT* FOR SALE!!

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  108. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    Reid

    Let’s move the same arguments to North Korea. There probably is a variation in thinking amongst its citizens but they are inconsequential because they are not allowed to be voiced. Dissonance is stamped out in the same manner as the Iranian students’ riots. Dear Leader Kim Jong whatever in North Korea…..the Ayatollahs in Iran.

    The religious part of Iran’s makeup is the glue that holds the nation together.

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  109. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    Islam in a nutshell:

    The whole world must learn of our peaceful ways…

    By force.

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  110. Reid (16,514 comments) says:

    The religious part of Iran’s makeup is the glue that holds the nation together..

    nasska I’m not sure what you’re saying. Are you saying that maybe the Iranian citizens wouldn’t be quite so apparently fanatical if, like the NK citizens, they weren’t required to act fanatical by the regime, or are you saying that they really are fanatical and would remain so, even if the current regime wasn’t in play?

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  111. Viking2 (11,491 comments) says:

    Land Transport is seriously considering requiring blood pressure testing for people over the age of 59 before they can renew their driver’s license.
    The reason why it is under consideration is drivers in this age group suffering heart attacks while driving has gone through the roof.
    “It’s a safety issue” stated a Andy.
    New procedures regarding checking a licensee’s blood pressure are also been considered, and it looks like it’s specifically designed to fail this age group. (See below).
    This is outrageous and will have serious consequences!
    I am seeing RED!!

    I think we’re screwed. We ain’t gonna pass………..one 85 year old complained.
    Be warned! Stay safe!
    Petition to follow………………

    http://screencast.com/t/ZSmbwP77B

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  112. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    the deligitimisation game

    Straight out of the Israel Propaganda Handbook.

    This started today with Tom reposting approvingly some conservative US blogger who occasionally masquerades as a liberal, in US terms, anyway, imagining a slight to the president when it was obvious to all neutral observers that there was no pregnant pause to wait for applause in a venue Obama likes and they like him.

    On the other hand, the applause when he arrived onstage for his interview was deafening.

    Poor Tom still cannot explain that contradiction because, simply, it doesn’t fit with what he would like to believe.

    Definition of deligitimisation: Whereby inhuman policies leading to humiliation, dispossession and oppression take primacy over justice and human rights.

    Prime exhibits: Opponents to NZ treaty settlements and supporters of the Zionist project. Both founded in racism.

    But shoot the messenger, boys!

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  113. cha (4,036 comments) says:

    Who needs Julian when Darrell will do the dirty.

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  114. Nostalgia-NZ (5,221 comments) says:

    That seems to be a hole doesn’t it, again, it seems to come back to the political correctness with which the medicos treat “patients” as opposed to “criminals.”

    The mad versus bad debate with probably no little feeling in circumstances like this case.

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  115. nasska (11,580 comments) says:

    Reid

    My point is that as Iran is a theocracy. The real power is vested in the Ayatollahs because they act as an unelected upper house presiding over a democractically elected parliament.

    Therefore no matter which party advocates what, nothing that parliament enacts can be contrary to the wishes of the religious nutters…..for that matter probably no one bothers introducing anything controversial just to see it clobbered down on behalf of Allah the Great.

    Therefore fanatical or theatrical, the people will be doing as the nutters bid….democracy & public opinion is a farce.

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  116. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Hey Kea,

    don’t forget that Luc is a nudist.

    That must count for sumthing ? Anything ?
    Surely.

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  117. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    David your paste borders on bullshit. Judges have been setting government,policy in the criminal justice system for decades. Sure you might argue that they give lenient sentences because they know they will be overturned on appeal by the freaks in the appeal court. Like our current Chief Justice who got there by,giving lenient sentences like the guy who beat the junior warriors player to death and then went on to assist in tow other killings only a few yers later.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=3535762

    If judges had insisted on enforcing the laws, much of,this would not have happened.

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  118. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    Luc I have never seen a bigger messenger shooter than you calling everyone racist,just,because they question the wisdom of handing over all our public assets to wealthy iwi elitists. You have no argument in favour of the government creating a small hyper-rich aristocracy on the basis of reinvented cultural links to the past and in fact would spew if anyone else became wealthy as the result of government policy.

    In fact government policy allowing certain insiders to profit used to be called corruption. Now it’s called compensation.

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  119. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    and one last question 2 nite.

    Hey, Viking2,

    why are you a cop hater ?

    C’mon babe, there must be some reason for you to have such a huge chip on your shoulder against NZ Police.

    Share it, you know you’ll feel beter.

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  120. Manolo (13,839 comments) says:

    A threat from the savages: http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=288551

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  121. Manolo (13,839 comments) says:

    The sexually-repressed followers of the religion of peace: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220849/Sonia-Dridi-attack-Female-reporter-savagely-attacked-groped-Cairo-live-broadcast-French-TV-news-channel.html

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  122. Kea (12,841 comments) says:

    Manolo, I sometimes find it hard to feel much sympathy for the fate of reporters in these incidents.

    Remember these are the same people who continually miis-represent world events to maintain their cultural marxist agenda.

    They portray Liberal Western societies as being responsible for all the worlds ills, but assume to be protected by Western values.

    Welcome to the real world bitch !

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