General Debate 29 October 2012

October 29th, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    This deserves scrutiny…from last night’s “The Nation”:

    “The government is considering law changes that will pave the way for private warrant of fitness (WOF) inspectors to pull over vehicles, says Associate Transport Minister Simon Bridges.”

    and

    ” ‘Randomised’ roadside checks could also be carried out by private companies, contracted by the government, to check the safety of cars. Currently, only police can conduct roadside checks.”

    This is moving very close to private organisations being granted search & detain privileges by the Crown. I can’t think of any other legislation that hands over police powers to business concerns.

    Ref: http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/mp/15236592/private-wof-police-for-nz-roads-bridges/

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  2. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    Nasska – at the moment organisations like the VINZ – private organisations at that – have the power not just to pull you over – but they dont even have to go out to the roads – they demand that you go see them – every 6 months – at their place – so that they can inspect your vehicle.

    I dont get all this crap about “Private organisations doing inspections” – they already do it now .

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  3. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    An aging whore speaks: http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/10/28/madonna-booed-after-touting-obama-in-new-orleans-concert/?test=latestnews

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  4. Brian Smaller (4,023 comments) says:

    @barry – yes, but they don’t stop you on the side of the road to check your car, you take it to them. This would be a BAD move by the government.

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  5. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    Some people are just plain thick….

    A woman purchases a property last year right on the boundary of a farm that grows and produces tea. This year, (in order to avoid an action replay where they have already lost a crop due to frost) the farmer (who has been there 8 years), gets a helicopter to blow air over the crop (starting at 4am) to avoid frost damage. The neighbour of 1 year complains about the noise.

    Ms Smith, formerly of Zimbabwe, bought her house in Barrington Drive last year. Literally over her back fence are 4 hectares of Zealong camellia shrubs. The plantation off Borman Rd is the Taiwanese company’s original export tea farm. It’s been there eight years. Ms Smith approached the Waikato Timessaying she was among those who complained last week when Zealong brought in a helicopter at 4am to stop a late frost damaging an imminent harvest. The chopper operated for 3.5 hours, according to Zealong.

    Did she not think that a farmer (going about his lawful business) may make noise as part of that business? I see in the report that some owners of lifestyle blocks are actually complaining because they can hear the farmer using a trail bike to get the cows for milking…. FFS!

    This woman is no different to the dopey buggers who purchase land near an airport (because the land is cheap) and then complain about the aircraft noise. Or the morons who purchase an apartment in the City and then bleat about the noise from traffic or from nightclubs and even the smell from restaurant exhausts.

    As I said, some people are just plain thick…

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7875269/Country-rage-for-city-folk-in-Waikato

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  6. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    It was good to hear of Valeire Adams making her feelings clear about that idiotic thing called the Haka.

    Her new book outlines the cringe factor that she felt when she won her first olympic gold and the reception she got when she returned to the village. As she said “I wish a hole would open up and swallow me”.

    A haka performed by half drunk pakehas for a pacific islander. Not a maori in sight.

    I totally agree with her.

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  7. flipper (4,060 comments) says:

    Nasska….
    It is time to scrub the whole f ‘ ing WOF process.
    Our MOT weenies are very keen to follow Vic and NSW on just about everything on speed limits to breath testsd.. But they appear scarfed shitless over the MTA which owns VTNZ.

    Barry…
    There is a difference between sending out a written notice and patrolling roads with power to stop, is there not?

    WOFs are like Council permits – they make money for VTNZ et al, and keep people in “employment”.

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  8. Chris2 (766 comments) says:

    The Press Council web site is not one I’ve visited before, but this morning a web search directed me there and I was intrigued to see their site will not load because they have exceeded their bandwidth limit.

    It must be a well-visited site to be shut down in this way.

    http://www.presscouncil.org.nz/

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  9. RF (1,398 comments) says:

    I understand that Dave Currie was responsible for the repeated Hakas. A Haka is like bagpipes and should be performed on a hill many miles away. The overnight ZB talkback had quite a few calls that were around 90% against the bloody Haka being performed non stop on any occasion. This will give Danny Watson the resident White Maori radio jock plenty to talk about this afternoon.

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  10. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    @Brian Smaller. You have a responsibility that when you take your car into a public place where others maybe hurt if your car isnt up to scratch – to have your car in correct working order.

    That approach doesnt seem to be causing riots in parts of Australia where roadside inspections are done. And it will also catch the 9% of cars on the road that dont have WOF’s (and probably never have had one and are almost certainly the ones that make up the small number of accidents that are caused by vehicle faults.)

    I certainly dont see the problem of using private organisations to do the job. They do it now and whats more they can be sued for errors – which you cant do if its the police.
    However – if it went ahead I doubt that it would be done without it being under the umbrella of the police. You cant be charged with offences for not stopping for a private outfit. In fact you cant be charged for offences for not remaining stopped for even the police (yes you have to stop – but its a moot point about staying stopped……)

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  11. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    flipper

    I’m inclined to agree that if a country such as the USA can make do without WOF inspections then so could we. It is although a separate matter to giving commercial interests powers normally confined to the police who are subject to very open scrutiny over detaining people at the roadside.

    I see the issue as dangerous in that it sets a precedent for Government to “contract out” policing.

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  12. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    barry

    …” You cant be charged with offences for not stopping for a private outfit”…

    True…but it like all protection is only one politician’s brain fart away from disappearing….this is what worries me.

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  13. SouthernRight (53 comments) says:

    Actually private outfits are used in roadside checks. The police have use workers from VTNZ and other private companies during their roadside inspections (esp truck inspections). They even have these companies open during late hours to send suspect vehicles round for late night checks. These companies are working with the police and its in their interest to make sure they find faults with the vehicles that are sent around.
    Yearly Wof’s and tell Greg Murphey to go get stuffed – bloody money hungry pratt

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  14. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    barry- Careful. Saying nasty things about our precious (and not at all overdone) ‘Haka’ will send Bereal into a frenzy, prepare to get labelled a “Traitor” and a “Self Hater”….

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  15. flipper (4,060 comments) says:

    CRIMINAL ACTS….
    The Dominion Post has a compelling piece on recent Police “search warrants” and associated actions.
    Simon Cunliffe (who is he?) takes Tolley, O’Conner (and inferentially, John Roughan and Whale) to task over their slippery slope to a KGB-like Polce State advocacy.

    Molesworth Street has kept it self reatively clean over a variety of questionable Police actions.
    Judges that hold the Police to account are NOT activist judges. They are upholding laws and legal protocols that ALL New Zealand residents and visitors are expected to obey.

    Go read the full piece, but some extracts:

    OPINION:
    Simon Cunliffe
    “Most citizens support the police in their efforts to help provide and maintain safe and law-abiding communities, and generally to enforce the law of the land. They appreciate just how difficult and dangerous this role can be. But what should they think when the police themselves feel it necessary to break the law in order to enforce it?

    And how should police actions be viewed if in so doing they risk compromising the independence of that other, supposedly independent, arm of the state, the judiciary? Should we take the pragmatic, means-to-an-end approach, as Police Minister Anne Tolley appeared to do on Thursday, and say: “We can’t tie both hands behind their [the police's] back and expect them to break up these very sophisticated criminal organisations”?

    Or should we take a longer view? Arguably – and the solicitor-general and the police may yet appeal his decision – Justice Simon France did the latter in a High Court decision released on Wednesday. …….

    ” Notwithstanding the convention that ministers will defend their ministries, at Thursday’s press conference Tolley categorically said she backed the police. In so doing she seemed to show little or no appreciation for the delicate constitutional proprieties at stake.

    For this controversy revolves around a principle that sits at the heart of most Western-style democracies: that of the “separation of powers”, and Justice France’s decision, whether appealed or not, at the very least provides the basis for a critical civics lesson.

    ” French enlightenment philosopher Charles Montesquieu (1689 to 1755) described a division of political power among separate branches of government: the executive, the legislature and the judiciary. His thinking was adopted in the formation of the United States constitution and has informed most other modern democracies within which each independent arm acts as a balance and check upon the other.

    One of the things Montesquieu said was “the independence of the judiciary has to be real, not apparent merely”, a sentiment that does not seem to wash with spokespeople such as police association president Greg O’Connor.

    O’Connor is a diligent and robust office-holder who performs his advocacy function to articulate with highly visible effect. Of Justice France’s judgment he said: “When are these courts going to realise this is not tiddlywinks.”

    It is a sentiment that will play well out there in talkback land, but it is also one which, if followed to its logical conclusion, essentially requires collusion between the executive (the police) and the judiciary (the court system) and ultimately implies the corruption of justice. It also anticipates unchecked state power.

    We are indebted to John Emerich Dalberg Acton, British novelist and historian, more economically known as Lord Acton, who in 1887 said:
    “Power tends to corrupt; and absolute power corrupts absolutely” – although he certainly wasn’t the first to give voice to the philosophical impulse.

    “: The problem with O’Connor’s response, and the ad hoc utterances of the police minister, who really ought to know better, is that they point down a one-way street. It leads to an address in which they might well feel quite at home.

    ” But most of the rest of us do not wish to live in a police state. ….. “

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  16. Chris2 (766 comments) says:

    A WoF should be based on the mileage driven. I have a classic car that is 45 years old and I only put about 1,000 km a year on it.

    Why should I have to pay $50 for a WoF every 26 weeks when the Sales Rep driving behind me only pays $50 a year for his annual WoF, but puts 80,000km a year on his car. Which car is more at risk of mechanical failure due to it use?

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  17. magsta (393 comments) says:

    @ Flipper,

    Simon Cunliffe is a Fairfax sub-editor

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/culture/7742865/Simon-Cunliffe-Hot-off-the-press

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  18. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    Article- The Wave That Breaks The Liberal Bubble

    Can you feel it?

    The wave, that is. I speak of one that will wash away far more than just a failed presidency. This wave will have the torque to rock the entire liberal bubble — the political/media/crony bubble — leaving it forever exposed. Ironically, those inside this bubble will be the last to know — which is precisely why it will happen.

    But we know them well. For the record, “we” refers to the quarter of the country that never bought into the fraudulent vapor of Obama and who lost respect for anyone who did. Even post-election, when 70% plus of the nation was in this stupor, we knew it was Marxist voodoo that could not last.

    There is now understanding of the shallowness of Obama and of liberalism. Everything said by the supposedly racist, mean-spirited conservatives has been validated.

    Doggone it…I think they’ve been right all along.

    We were, and not just about Obama. We’ve been right about the academia elites, the Jurassic media, the elitist conservative pundits, the establishment, the “obama foam” class, and Occupy and union thugs, too. This includes anybody who makes his living from government — and the reporting thereof. It encompasses those who live inside the bubble, plus those who depend on them. These people are all intertwined, co-dependent, and out of step with America. Recent events have finally connected dots for a lot of people in ways they can no longer deny.

    Read more:

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/10/the_wave_that_breaks_the_liberal_bubble.html#ixzz2AcumW83s

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  19. kowtow (8,470 comments) says:

    Adams,haka and the maorification of all things New Zealand.

    Clearly some of you racists haven’t got the memo yet.

    This should help.

    http://www.tpk.govt.nz/en/newsevents/news/olympic-cultural-event/

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  20. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    “The environmental group Sea Shepherd is set to launch Operation Zero Tolerance, which will put four ships, a helicopter, three drones and more than 100 international volunteers on a collision course with Japan’s whaling fleet. ”

    This takes Piracy to a whole new level.

    Who do these people think they are? The Japs would be quite within their rights to sink that ship and repell any borders, using what ever force is required.

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  21. kowtow (8,470 comments) says:

    There was an earlier post about Simon Cunliffe the playwright here on KB.
    Cunliffe was witht the ODT.I’ve found his writing to be New Zealand Establishment Left. Worked in parliament at one stage. Is the name a pointer?
    Another MSM player with a lefty political background. Surprise?

    Surely someone out there can throw more light on the subject. We’re not North Korea ,yet.

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  22. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    “We’re not North Korea ,yet.”

    No, but we’re on the train going down that line-

    Media Blackout: Aside from FOX, Sunday News Hosts Fail to Raise Benghazi

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/10/28/Media-Cover-Up-Aside-from-FOX-Sunday-Shows-Fail-to-Raise-Benghazi

    Obama is a big problem, but infiltration and control of mainstream media by communists is as big a problem. A Nth Korean style perversion of democracy that the left are so smugly pleased with.

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  23. Nostalgia-NZ (5,202 comments) says:

    flipper 9.01

    Do you disagree with him?

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  24. flipper (4,060 comments) says:

    So ….
    Cunliffe S. is left leaning subbie with Fairfax. Sometimes even such folks get things right, do they not?
    Personally, I loathe the socialist crap espoused by Minus T et al. But to say, as some do, that the ends justify the means ….. Well, they might get me to agree as the Indonesians or the Chinese march down Queen Streert.

    But gangs, of whatever description (Blue, Black or Red!), will never justify those sworn to uphold the law (let us remember the Police oath!) bending or breaking it at their convenience – irrespective of whether their targets are the likes of Dottiecom, or druggies.

    Is that a “yes” or a “No”, Nossie? HAND

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  25. Nostalgia-NZ (5,202 comments) says:

    I agree with him flipper, possibly for a few additional reasons.
    I don’t see anything political in it all, apart from attempts to usurp the functions of the Court and the law gaining weight by a Minister who comments about hands being tied behind backs in reference to the law.

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  26. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    Dime loves the haka – when the all blacks or kiwis do it.

    Those done in athens, melbourne, beijing were a joke.

    cant wait for the book. cant wait to learn what it takes to become a champion rock thrower. how many ultimate quarter packs a day.. how many tower burgers etc

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  27. flipper (4,060 comments) says:

    Nossie…
    Mnnnn … did not mean to suggest Cunliffe was being political. But it is all too easy for some to dismiss views simply because they are advanced by folks with a differernt political stance/view.
    Actually, I thought Cunliffe was being a little too kind to Tolley, O’Connor and, and by inference, others including Wormald.

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  28. SouthernRight (53 comments) says:

    You tough online Dime – bet you wouldnt say that to Val’s face

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  29. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    southern – why? is she violent? and why would i be scared of a chick?

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  30. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    A beastly satrap and tyrant advises the world: http://www.france24.com/en/20121027-saudi-king-urges-un-action-against-religious-insults

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  31. Chuck Bird (4,883 comments) says:

    I posted a couple of times about my up coming court hearing at Pukekohe this afternoon at 2:15. I just got a call saying it is canceled. I thought I should say something in case anyone was considering going.

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  32. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    Saudi King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz on Saturday demanded a UN resolution condemning insults on monotheistic religions

    Why only “monotheistic” religions !

    This shows the level of arrogance displayed by Muslim spokes people.

    No doubt the UN will take this seriously, instead of laughing in the face of Islam, as they should do. I say this as a person who has Muslim friends, dated Muslims and so on. Being a Muslim does not excuse you being an arrogant intolerant power tripper.

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  33. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    A bit harsh dime, she’s in pretty good shape and clearly works pretty hard to win what she has.

    Although I hear you, a chapter describing a winning throw may be tough reading.

    Dave Currie just sounds like such a tool. The haka is so over done it’s painful. I vaguely recall an article about our womens basketball team doing it this year. F**k me, what a joke.

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  34. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    Ok Kiwibloggers!

    Which MP, from which party, is going to ask Prime Minister John Key the following VERY hard question in the House?

    Any considered opinions on this one?

    ________________________________________________________________________________________________

    COMMENT PUBLISHED.

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/will-grant-robertson-get-chop-lf-131298

    #11 by Penny Bright 22 hours ago

    Here we go again – the usual ‘spin-doctor’ campaign try to pick and snipe and undermine Labour Party leadership?

    Saw it all before with Phil Goff in 2011.

    yawn……………….

    The question I want answered is:

    What role did John Key play in the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act in November 1999, when he was a foreign exchange advisor to the New York Federal Reserve, and Head of Derivatives for Merrill Lynch?

    Given that the effect of the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act was to leave the derivatives market unregulated?

    Given that the global financial meltdown has been largely caused by the collapse of the derivatives market?

    Who is going to ask THAT question?

    Penny Bright

    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  35. Zapper (1,021 comments) says:

    Why do you care who asks it Penny? You will ignore the answer which is almost certainly “no role”.

    If you find it offensive when the Labour Party’s obvious flaws are pointed out, how do you feel when John Key is undermined by opposition parties, usually with no proof or evidence?

    And finally, why are you such a massive hypocrite.

    No question mark required for that one.

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  36. Reid (16,454 comments) says:

    It’s a good question Penny but I suspect Key would probably say he was there as a technical advisor and had no decision-making roles.

    This is good, Senator Paul Wellstone with his ten year old son and others killed in a plane crash ten years ago:
    http://www.opednews.com/articles/Paul-Wellstone-Tenth-Anni-by-Stephen-Lendman-121028-904.html

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  37. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    On behalf of: Tamaki Housing Group

    DO YOU WANT AN 8 STORY APARTMENT BUILDING AS YOUR NEIGHBOR?

    It is disappointing but quite predictable that the Finance Minister is using the affordable housing crisis to panda to a property developer fuel land acquisition. Previously the red tape cutting deregulation saw the Auckland region crammed full with shoddy, leaky houses, which will cost ratepayer billions of dollars into the foreseeable future.

    It is disgraceful, Finance Minister Bill English is blundering full steam ahead into localbody affairs with ideological view that will displace families on between $15,000 and$25,000 per annum, and destroy capital values for home owners particularly thosesaddled with mortgages when high rise apartment building spring up on their fence lines. (non-notified)

    The last thing Aucklander’s need is the unelected “Productivity Commission” and Minister of Finance socially engineering our city.

    Sue Henry

    (09) 575.6344

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  38. redeye (629 comments) says:

    “A lawyer duped into representing the undercover officer at the centre of a fake prosecution is considering chasing police for his unpaid bills. “

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  39. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    Oh dear penny notso, not content are you with providing us with ‘general hilarity’ in your posts, but now you make me snort lunch out my nose…

    “It is disappointing but quite predictable that the Finance Minister is using the affordable housing crisis to panda to a property developer”

    Please, I beg of you, stop it. The imagery of of Bill and a large cuddly bear is just too much. Please just go back to be bizarre and clearly mental.

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  40. RF (1,398 comments) says:

    kowtow 9.29am

    Gee thanks. I will file this in the shredder. The Haka reminds me of a combination of Morris Dancing, Highland Fling and a hyperactive child that’s walked bare foot through stinging nettle.

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  41. lilman (959 comments) says:

    So Val Adams was embarassed and thought that the haka was in bad taste when she was at the olympics.
    Well her behavior after coming second to the Bela-Russian was an embarassment to our nation and quite simply bad sportsmanship.
    The fact that she was eventually given the gold through drug cheatind being present in the event,all I can say is she showed a distinct lack of grace and class.

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  42. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    A WoF should be based on the mileage driven. I have a classic car that is 45 years old and I only put about 1,000 km a year on it.

    Why should I have to pay $50 for a WoF every 26 weeks when the Sales Rep driving behind me only pays $50 a year for his annual WoF, but puts 80,000km a year on his car. Which car is more at risk of mechanical failure due to it use?

    The reps car would have had services every 15,000 kms and being a near new jappa it can do 250,000 kms without needing a sparkplug. Anything older that 10 years should stay with 6 monthly WOFs.

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  43. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    RF

    The haka is all about “mana”. Apparently if you jump up & down & poke your tongue out you get covered with the stuff.

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  44. KH (695 comments) says:

    It’s a daily event. Driving to work listening to the radio some teachers union is telling me todays thing they don’t like.
    And I am deciding that if they don’t like it. It must be good.
    maybe they should shut up for a while – for the next decade will do for a start.

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  45. Peter (1,712 comments) says:

    I don’t much care for Valerie Adams take on “sportswomanship”, but she’s right about the haka.

    Overused. Tired. Cringeworthy.

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  46. Peter (1,712 comments) says:

    Bill English is sending a Panda to property developers to fuel their cars?

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  47. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    Well apparently there’s quite a story about this panda. Or 8 stories, if the Tamaki Housing Group are to be believed. Another Harry Potter saga in the making? Although it appears that the stories have originated in America, as the spelling of “neighbor” shows.

    Meh … maybe I’ll just wait for the movie to come out.

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  48. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    The animal deserves nothing less than death: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8555636/trial-begins-for-child-murder-accused

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  49. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Wait, what? Penny is campaigning to protect capital values for home owners? Is she now an agent for the 1%?

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  50. kowtow (8,470 comments) says:

    RF
    Wot’s wrong with Morris and Highland dancing.? All part of our culture (if you’re an Anglo or Gael).At least it’s not being forced onto the nation by govt depts.
    In the UK the indigenous culture is being killed off in favour of LA or West Indian “cultcha” to the extent that to proclaim “Englishness” is almost a crime.

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  51. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    RightNow, it’s a bit hard to tell exactly what the unelected “Public WatchDog” is campaigning for, the grammar is so dreadful!

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  52. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/aug/06/financial-crisis-25-people-heart-meltdown

    Financial crisis: 25 people at the heart of the meltdown – where are they now?

    In 2009 the Guardian identified 25 people – bankers, economists, central bankers and politicians – whose actions had led the world into the worst economic turmoil since the Great Depression.
    On the fifth anniversary of the credit crunch, what are they doing?

    Rupert Neate
    guardian.co.uk, Monday 6 August 2012 20.49 BST

    Alan Greenspan, chairman US Federal Reserve 1987-2000

    A disciple of libertarian icon Ayn Rand, Greenspan became chairman of the Fed just in time to save the global economy from the 1987 stock market crash from becoming a full-blown disaster.

    He went on preside over the boom years of the 90s and lead the US economy through the aftermath of the September 11 attacks and was widely referred to as an “oracle” and “the maestro”.

    But Greenspan’s super-low interest rates and consistent opposition to regulation of the multitrillion-dollar derivatives market are now widely blamed for causing the credit crisis. Under Greenspan’s tenure the derivatives market went from barely registering to a $500 trillion industry, despite billionaire investor Warren Buffett warning that they were “financial weapons of mass destruction”.

    His rock-bottom rates encouraged Americans to load up on debt to buy homes, even when they had no savings, no income and no job prospects.

    These so-called sub-prime borrowers were the cannon fodder for the biggest boom-bust in US history. The housing collapse brought the global economy to its knees.

    He was given an honorary knighthood in 2002 for his “contribution to global economic stability”, but in 2008, at a Congressional hearing investigating the causes of the financial crisis, Greenspan finally admitted he “made a mistake in presuming” that financial firms could regulate themselves.

    “You found that your view of the world, your ideology was not right, it was not working?” Henry Waxman, the committee chairman, said.

    “Absolutely, precisely,” Greenspan replied. “You know, that’s precisely the reason I was shocked, because I have been going for 40 years or more with very considerable evidence that it was working exceptionally well.” …………………..
    _________________________________________

    Politicians

    Bill Clinton, former US president

    Politicians’ current plan to help prevent another financial crisis is to ringfence banks’ risky “casino banking” divisions from the more pedestrian high street banking departments. 13 years ago Clinton repealed the Glass-Steagall Act, which had done just that. Clinton’s move, which came after fierce lobbying from bankers, heralded the birth of superbanks and primed the sub-prime pump. …

    _____________________________________________

    Senator Phil Gramm

    “Some people look at sub-prime lending and see evil. I look at sub-prime lending and see the American dream in action,” Gramm told a Senate debate in 2001.

    Another dynamite quote. “When I am on Wall Street and I realise that that’s the very nerve centre of American capitalism and I realise what capitalism has done for the working people of America, to me that’s a holy place.”

    It was Gramm that had fought hardest for deregulation and helped write the law that enabled the creation of financial giants such as Citigroup and Bank of America. ……….

    _____________________________________________________

    The question I want answered is:

    What role did John Key play in the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act in November 1999, when he was a foreign exchange advisor to the New York Federal Reserve, and Head of Derivatives for Merrill Lynch?

    Given that the effect of the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act was to leave the derivatives market unregulated?

    Given that the global financial meltdown has been largely caused by the collapse of the derivatives market?

    Who is going to ask THAT question?

    Penny Bright

    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  53. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    The results in both Epsom and Botany, Penny, show just how few people care about your questions.

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  54. graham (2,335 comments) says:

    May I suggest, Penny, that if YOU would start answering some of the questions that people have asked YOU, then you might get slightly more respect when you insist on posing YOUR questions to others.

    You have been asked some quite relevant and pertinant questions over the past few months, but you have refused to answer them. Damned if I can work out why on earth you think other people should be required to answer questions when you appear to feel no compunction to do so.

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  55. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    Its about transparency graham. For those whom notso shines her light of righteousness on, but not for her. Goodness me no.

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  56. DJP6-25 (1,387 comments) says:

    Redbaiter 9:19 am. Thanks for the link. I hope it turns out that way.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  57. Grendel (1,002 comments) says:

    Whenever a raving lefty states something is unregulated and therefore thats what caused the issues you know two things:

    1. it was more than likely never unregulated or deregulated, it usually had additional regulations placed on it.

    2. The cause of the issue is either a combination of things that could not be anticipated except in hindsight, or a direct result of the extra regulation.

    two examples:

    Leaky buildings: Far from being unregulated the buildings that were leaky were made to the measure of the building code at that time, a code introduced as being newer better regulation.

    The US Financial collapse:

    Largely the result of regulation under the clinton administration that required lenders to lend to low income or no income people so that “poor black people could own a home”. the market collapse came about as the toxic mortgages, hoovered up by fannie and freddie as part of the new regulation, onsold these junk loans and they became part of so many managed funds. there is nothing wrong with CDOs as an investment vehicle, as long as you know the underlying strength of the funds. when all the NINJA loans got rolled up and foreclosed on, it dragged down the market and so on it goes.

    So as usual Penny is talking through a hole in her head.

    and for this theory that families will be displaced by apartments.

    1. if this family owns the land, and chooses not to sell then an apartment building cannot move them.

    2. if the owner of the land wants to sell it and they are renting, its none of their business what the owner does with it, they are just renting it.

    but private (or public) property rights dont matter to penny and her crazy bunch.

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  58. tom hunter (4,838 comments) says:

    Looks like the New Yorkers finally decided to take Hurricane Sandy seriously, as these photos of empty subway stations and very empty Grand Central show.

    Sandy is due to crash into the cold jetstream coming down from Canada and the low pressure system over the East Coast (which two have apparently already combined). So what will they then call it: Hyper-Tropical Sandy? Hybrid-Cyclone Sandy?

    One thing that has been impressive are the predictions of the Weather Computer Models, as this weather forecaster says:

    What struck me today is how few surprises there were. Considering Hurricane Sandy has a structure like no other storm we’ve seen and is taking a path unlike any I’ve experienced, the computer guidance has been amazingly consistent.

    Consistent model agreement implies the computers have properly latched onto Sandy’s salient features.

    I need to find some NYC webcams, and if you want to follow this in detail, one of the better places is Brendan Loy’s “Weathernerd” site, which pointed up this hurricane several days before it hit the MSM.

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  59. Griff (7,700 comments) says:

    @Tom
    Frankenstorm is back to a full blown tropical cyclone again today complete with eye wall
    Live camera on the outer banks should make a good watch at dawn tomorrows High tide Around 1130 tonight for us
    http://www.visitob.com/webcams/sea-ranch-kill-devil-hills/
    I have been watching http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=2279&page=12#commenttop
    Jeff gives a 50% chance of the storm surge hitting the NY subway up from 30% yesterday

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  60. Nookin (3,341 comments) says:

    Iti and co have had their appeals dismissed and were told that they were on the lucky side with the sentences.

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  61. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/private-vehicle-inspectors-could-stop-cars-check-warrants-ck-131341#comment-591630

    More work for the ‘CONTRACTOCRACY?’

    Where will the money go?

    Who will benefit?

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  62. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    Bad luck terrorists…
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7877927/Urewera-four-lose-appeals-against-sentences

    What do you expect when you are planning and training to murder innocent people?

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  63. RF (1,398 comments) says:

    kowtow 2.45pm. I guess I get put off by the sight of men in funny hats in white pants with bells, dancing around holding hands or even funnier men in skirts with funny hats dancing in circles around swords.

    Give me a good book and a single malt any day. Nothing on TV apart from boring rugby.

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  64. RF (1,398 comments) says:

    nasska 1.24pm. Do you mean brown people dancing around poking out tongues and getting covered in brown stuff. The colour of their tongues concern me as many need to change their diets.

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  65. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    You guys mocking the ‘Haka’ are in serious trouble once my friend Bereal gets here…..He wears his All Black supporters badge with pride. (And no doubt he will be thrilled that Ali ‘Googly Eyes and tongue poking out’ Williams is back to take his unique brand of New Zealand ‘Culture’ to the masses in Europe..)

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  66. RF (1,398 comments) says:

    Nookin. 4.25pm.. As they say – cry me a river. Iti and his mate still banged up and the other two are looking to be separated. One to be deported and the other will be denied entry when she attempts to join him after they serve their sentence. There is a God after all.

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  67. Nookin (3,341 comments) says:

    Penny

    Has it occurred to you that WOFs are issued by MTA members at the moment. They are already contracted out. That’s why some MTA members want to retain the status quo.

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  68. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    RF

    That’s them. :)

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  69. RF (1,398 comments) says:

    Longknives … 4.51pm. Is it true that Ali the funny man and Dave Currie I am now looking for a real job are perhaps related. They have the same stance when rolling eyes, stamping feet and poking out their tongues. Maybe Bereal is their coach.

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  70. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Hi, RF,
    as one who hates your national team because you say they are cheats,
    and then when questioned on it changes your tune
    to just hate the Haka,
    question is, for a sad sack loser such as yourself,
    WTF do you like ?

    is there any sport ANY people in the world play that meets with your personal approval ?

    What does meet with your approval RF ?

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  71. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    Longknives, Handy tip: If you miss any rugby moments, you can always watch the News. Often the leading story will be about rugby, which will take you through to the sports news, about more rugby. In between you will get a human interest story (from a lefty perspective), and coming highlights of the weather, plus some ads, then the actual weather, ending with something rugby related.

    The whole presentation is geared to the mentality and depth of rugby fans.

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  72. tom hunter (4,838 comments) says:

    Jeff gives a 50% chance of the storm surge hitting the NY subway up from 30% yesterday

    Yah. A decade ago I read a book about the terrible Galveston Hurricane of 1900, Issac’s Storm, and in the epilogue the author pointed to the potential for really dangerous storm surges in New York if it got hit the right way. There were several hurricanes in the 19th century that did that and the 1938 storm killed about 800 people.

    The book was so-named because one of the best meteorologists, Isaac Cline, was in charge of the Galveston office and wrote a very detailed analysis of the hurricane afterwards (he barely survived and lost his wife), showing that storm surges were the killer rather than the more dramatic high winds.

    In the book the author strove greatly to show the similarities between the USA of 1900 and 2000 – how America felt really good about itself and looked confidently forward to mastering almost everything – even the weather! Of course the author could not know that that hubris would be shattered about a year later by 9/11, and in a far more powerful manner than the Galveston storm, even though the latter killed at least 6000 people (possibly 10,000).

    Ironically, given that Brendan Loy showed how similar these conditions were to those of 1991’s “Perfect Storm”, is the fact that the movie of the same name came out at the same time as Issac’s Storm – but the latter never grabbed the public imagination in the same way, even though both spoke to the hubris of America at the turn of a century.

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  73. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    bereal, calm down !

    rugby is not a real sport. It is a “game”. Rather a boring one to watch I might add. Its ok playing it, but as a spectator sport it is lacking.

    Sadly real sports (which Kiwis do very well at) do not get any coverage, due to the media shoving rugby down our throats for commercial reasons (advertising revenue).

    You reckon your a “sports fan” ? Tell me about all the world titles won by Kiwis in recent years ?

    They are in true INTERNATIONAL sports btw, that other countries actually compete in seriously.

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  74. RF (1,398 comments) says:

    bereal. So it is true. You are a compulsive sports nut. I do not hate my national team – I just do not have any time for them or interest so longer watch them. Unfortunately the Media have the need to talk non stop about rugby and people such as you suck on the hind tit. If you bothered to take time of from your hero worship of Dan Carter you would have heard that Steve Hansen today picked his team on mates rather than form. We have now got a funny man and a haka coach in the team. Both useless as tits on a bull. Bloody fantastic. Thats why many people are turned off.

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  75. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Hey Kea.

    What your ilk cannot grasp is that you live in New Zealand.
    Rugby is the National sport in New Zealand.
    We are the current world champions in rugby.

    Now, self haters such as yourself hate that fact for some reason which is unfathomable
    to normal people and you cannot miss an opportunity to denigrate that fact.

    If you are actually a Kiwi Kea try and celebrate success.

    What is wrong with you ?
    Your father must be so dissapointed.

    Hate yourself Kea, thats fine, but why hate your country ?

    What is wrong with you ?

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  76. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Oh dear,

    now we have a team of two total losers who hate their own country.
    You need to ask yourself, if either of them didn’t have a problem,
    why would they waste their energy to try and crap on their own country ?

    RF and Kea, what is your problem ?

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  77. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    “now we have a team of two total losers who hate their own country.”
    “RF and Kea, what is your problem ?”

    Don’t forget me Bereal- I can’t stand the fucking arrogant ‘Adi-Blacks’…(and I love rugby)

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  78. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    bhudson (2.52pm):

    The results in both Epsom and Botany, Penny, show just how few people care about your questions.

    You forgot the Auckland Mayoral race, bhudson. Penny Not-so finished so far back that you needed a telescope to even see her.

    Indeed, she received less ‘support’ than the number of informals…. :(

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  79. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Elaycee,

    So more people would rather register an invalid vote than vote for Penny?!? Well that says a great deal about the lack of support for her questions.

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  80. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    What would you call people in any country, anywhere in the world who can’t stand
    their national team ?
    (Especially if that team were the best in the world ?)
    Surely that says more about what is fucked up with them personally than with any thing else ?

    And the very sad, sad, fact is that here in New Zealand, there are at least 3 on this blog site alone.

    Hey Longknives, if you cant stand your national team of world champions, why not just keep quiet ?

    What do you hope to achieve by your perverse comments ?

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  81. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    Rugby is the National sport in New Zealand.

    Actually it is not.

    In fact more people play Soccer, Golf, Fishing, tennis, bowls, mountain biking and a whole lot more, healthy interesting pursuits.

    I am pleased the National Sport is not sitting in front of the TV, with a beer in hand, watching a field full of blokes groping each other.

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  82. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    I remember when our NZ Baseball team won a world title. They actually gave them a small slot on the sports news. Trouble is …. most of the article, and camera time, was focused on some retired AB who came to congratulate them !

    BTW bereal, when will you AB fans be giving back the tens of millions we lent you for the world cup rugby piss-up ?

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  83. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Kea,
    don’t you mean Softftball.
    You just have no idea you naive young fool.

    Your poor old Dad must be squirming with embarrassment that he has produced such a fuckwit.

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  84. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    Rugby is the National sport in New Zealand.

    Actually it is not.

    When 2 million NZers participate in rugby via the All Blacks wanna tell me what other sport even has half that following?

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  85. RF (1,398 comments) says:

    Bereal.. Picture this …you as a lonely individual sitting in the stands in pouring rain with water running down your short neck and watching your ABs stumble around, people will hear your plantive cry.. Why do I not have any friends?

    Look in a mirror my friend. Time to catch up with the rest of the world.

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  86. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    Yeah the Black Sox won a number of world titles. Mark Sorenson was Captian. I went to school with Mark in my early teens and made the major mistake of getting in a punchup with him :-)

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  87. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    Kea- I was at work listening to radio reports when the first Christchurch Earthquake hit. The newsreader actually freaking said “Breathe a sigh of relief New Zealanders- Richie is okay”!
    I don’t think I’ve ever been so ashamed to be a rugby fan..
    (Actually there was the 2005 O’Driscoll spear tackle- but me and Bereal have agreed to disagree on that..)

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  88. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    We are much better at Soccer (aawww sorry, “football”) than we are at rugby. The only difference is that Soccer is the biggest sport in the world by far. rugby is in the same league as Curling.

    Yeah I think Dad was a bit perplexed by my lack of interest in rugby :)

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  89. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    Colville, I went to school with Marty Grant. He could not fight for shit, but he was always a very focused sports person. He took his sport very seriously, always. Nice guy.

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  90. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    bereal

    What I am tired of is the fact that there is just far too much rugby on, its over exposed in a small market.

    Auckland Canterbury used to fill Eden Park now its lucky if it gets 5000, shit a Gallagher Shield Final between Marist and Ponsonby used to pull 20,000 and there would be 14 All Blacks playing, now club footy is rooted, rep footy is rooted, Super 15 struggles and I can’t afford to take my kids to a test match.

    Now Charlie Faumuina has 4 test caps? and has played about 49 minutes for them

    Bill Davis has 17 test caps and was an All Black for 7 years plus being a New Zealand softball rep plus running a business.

    Its still a great honour for the player but as someone whose first big time match was Canterbury – Lions in 1971 when the Canterbury front row just beat the crap out of the Lions front row seeing guys get a cap for 5 minutes makes a mockery of the whole thing.

    Plus the scrum is a fuck up. You seem old enough to remember the 8 O’clock newspaper. they used to have a watch that showed the amount of time the ball was in play. It used to be about 29 minutes a half now its about 21 so as a spectecal its boring as buggery and this needs to be addressed.

    A test match used to be the only thing on now theres many more entertainment options and most would rather spend $200 on something other than 42 minutes of running rugby.

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  91. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    When 2 million NZers participate in rugby via the All Blacks…

    Sorry mate, but sitting on your arse with a beer in one hand and your (or someone elses) dick in the other, is NOT a sport.

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  92. Griff (7,700 comments) says:

    Thugby
    Cant you morons find some of some relevance to argue about other than a stupid ball game
    It is long past the time since New Zealand revolved around racing rugby and beer thank (insert deity of choice or pure chance)

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  93. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay- Well put. The ‘Professional’ era has just destroyed the game in New Zealand.
    The best rugby atmosphere I ever encountered was the Canterbury/Otago shield game at Lancaster Park in ’94.(The one where David Latta gambled and lost)
    50,000 screaming fans singing and chanting, an epic and tense encounter. Compare that to Waikato winning the Shield on a bloody rainy Wednesday night in front of about 4000 people with no ‘big name’ players on the park.
    Thank you very much Steve Tew and brand ‘Adi Black’.

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  94. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    Cant you morons find some of some relevance to argue about

    I am sure the rugby fans can take some time off to do some gay bashing or other “manly” things.

    Regards,

    Moron

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  95. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    Griff- You can knock rugby all you like but I will not hear a bad word about Racing and Beer (Two things I hold very close to my heart)..

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  96. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    Yeah Griff, stop knocking Beer !

    What sort of a pervert are you anyway. Probably a commie one who hates baby Jeeeeeeeeesus.

    Actually looking at your grammar, maybe you like beer a little more than you make out :)

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  97. Griff (7,700 comments) says:

    You guys are infringing on my moment of fame. I have been on national tv bagging racing rugby and beer
    much prefer fishing wine and woman myself

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  98. MH (753 comments) says:

    We are all the victims of feminazism-the lack of male teachers in primary school allowing the simplistic rules of soccer take over the stringent inclusive moral code that made NZers what we were.Fairminded tough bastards. Now,these sheilas throw down a predictable bouncing ball that takes away the ability for thinking young minds to discover physics, dynamics and the chaos theory. Then they say if a player beats you or gets past you you trip him up because in soccer winning is everything. They even have a distinctly painted square area in front of the goal where they say you shouldn’t do this ? Encouraging Hypocrisy 101. And the one player who wants to use his hands and pick up the ball and run and score a try in the Ellis mode is trapped forever by his class upbringing.Bah and humbug.

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  99. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    Kea,

    We are much better at Soccer (aawww sorry, “football”) than we are at rugby.

    How do you get “better at” than number one in the world? Really goes to show how fucked in the head your views are :-)

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  100. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    Only 4 crays this morning. 19 yesterday. The natives “locals” beat us to our pots this morning.

    Didnt expect them to be at sea so early. Its not as tho they have jobs to go to.

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  101. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Kea, the electric puha you’re smoking must be bloody good.

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  102. MT_Tinman (3,186 comments) says:

    I like rugby!

    Great game to watch, great game to play (or was back in the day).

    Real rugby played by experts (read Canterbury and The Crusaders) is a thing of beauty.

    The All Blacks franchise however has no meaning, no tradition and treats rugby as incidental to the gaining of money (next they’ll be calling it “resources”).

    The sooner this outfit is disbanded the better.

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  103. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    Aint too bright are you Colville ?

    We are not number one in Soccer because other countries are serious about it. Unlike rugby where noooo body cares. Even with those incredible odds in our favour, we spent 20 odd years getting our arses kicked by Soccer playing nations and those who did not give a shit about rugby.

    I reckon they let us win out of boredom and pity.

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  104. Steve (North Shore) (4,561 comments) says:

    Some are suffering from post – rugby depression. We won the World Cup, we won Bledisloe, we won, we won etc etc.
    We are tired of winning, especially when the Haka is performed on any occasion that suits.
    Is the Haka done for a real reason, or just when the fucking media need to create News?

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  105. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    much prefer fishing wine and woman myself

    Ok Griff all is forgiven :)

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  106. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    My point is quite simple.

    What is so fucked about so many New Zealanders that they hate themselves so much ?

    You see it every day right here on Kiwiblog.

    Why can’t they enjoy the success of their national team ?

    Tres simple. Tres meaning very, as in Les Miserables by Victor Hugo.

    Kea, RF, Pauleastbay, Big Bruv…Etc,,,,

    Pauleastbay for EG. go to the UK. argue that there is far too much on TV about soccer ( football)
    You think that would wash ?

    Why do so many New Zealanders have so little self respect for themselves that they hate
    themselves as much as,
    say, Longknives or Kea, or RF hate themselves ?

    Surely, that is the question.

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  107. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    We suck monkey balls at soccer because (a) we dont have 80 mil or so population (b) we dont have the small skinny sprinter body type and (c) its a fucking boring game played by poofs!

    “ohhhhhhhh ref that poof messed with my hair….I am in painnnnn” *rolls around on grass looking if he has caught eye of linesman*

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  108. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    ahhh…. the predictable Kiwiblogger goldfish are gumming away :)

    I must be making some VERY valid points and asking some VERY pertinent questions – or arguably – there would be no response?

    Thank you folks – once again – you have made my day :)

    Kind regards,

    Penny Bright

    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  109. Steve (North Shore) (4,561 comments) says:

    All of the above Colville, soccer is a woose game

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  110. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    Unlike in rugby where laying on top of sweaty blokes and rolling around like mating eels is actually encouraged.

    But yeah, Soccer is a bit poofy.

    I prefer individual pursuits myself and Kiwis do well at those. However, they do not get recognition, because of bloody rugby.

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  111. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    I must be making some VERY valid points and asking some VERY pertinent questions – or arguably – there would be no response?

    Hi Penny,

    No, you are irrelevant because you have no integrity. You will not engage in debate or answer reasonable questions.

    For that reason alone you are my least favorite contributor on KB.

    Why are you even here?

    Silly bitch.

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  112. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    OMG Kea! I gave up thugby because i used to spend too much time beating up my own teammates for shit preformance :-)
    I went back to shooting things a very very long way away which kept me kinda outta trouble.

    The thing I do LOVE about rugby is it suits small towns. Grab 15 blokes and you have a team. There is a place for tall short fast and fat.
    I was the slow the fat bastard !

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  113. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    Even Phool was respected more than Penny.

    Where did that odd boi go?

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  114. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    bereal

    I don’t hate myself at all,I stated there is too much rugby, it doesn’t excite like it used , over-supply of any (just about) dampens interest.

    I just no longer get up in the middle of the night to watch tests, I don’t leave dinners anymore to watch tests,I can’t afford to take my family to a test, ..yea at the moment we have a good All Black side, we haven’t for several years ( personally I blame Laurie Mains for bringing in several really mediocre players just to stick it up Auckland).

    There will be a cycle in the next few years when we won’t win everything, but the world wont end , it’s a game, I’ve played it very poorly but the passion for it has gone the same way as going out to 4 o’clock in morning and running marathons , people just move on I may again become a fan but the game needs to have a really good look at itself, its boring at the moment and there’s too much,too many people milking the cow , its going to implode.

    And you are so fucking easy to wind up

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  115. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    …..I was the slow the fat bastard !

    never fear Colville they are going to pass laws so you wont have to be a fat bastard- me, I was just slow

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  116. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    Kea

    …”and rolling around like mating eels is actually encouraged”…..

    I enjoy a good simile myself but that will be hard to top! :)

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  117. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    And one for poor sad Reddy.

    Ref: http://imgur.com/gallery/8AqwJ

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  118. big bruv (13,888 comments) says:

    bereal

    Why do you keep asking the same question day after day re the NZ rugby team?

    Are you more than a little bit stupid?

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  119. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    Kea at 6:02, today:

    Yeah I think Dad was a bit perplexed by my lack of interest in rugby

    Kea, a few days ago:

    I used to play it myself. Nothing wrong with the game, but some of its fans and player, now days, turn me off.

    So you used to play rugby despite not having an interest in it?

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  120. Griff (7,700 comments) says:

    The family of Auckland Blues Rugby supporters head out shopping one Saturday before Christmas.

    While in a sport shop, the son picks up a Crusaders rugby jersey and says to his sister, “I’ve decided I’m going to be a Crusaders supporter and I’d like this jersey for Christmas!”

    The sister is outraged at this, promptly whacks him round the head and says, “Go talk to your mother.”

    Off goes the little lad, with Crusaders jersey in hand and finds his mother. “Mum,” “Yes, son ?” “I’ve decided I’m going to be a Crusaders supporter and I’d like this jersey for Christmas.”

    The mother is outraged at this, promptly whacks him round the head and says, “Go talk to your father.”

    Off he goes with the Crusaders jersey in hand and finds his father. “Dad?” “Yes, son?” “I’ve decided I’m going to be a Crusaders supporter and I would like this jersey for Christmas.”

    The father is outraged at this, promptly whacks his son round the head and says, “No son of mine is ever going to be seen in THAT!”

    About half an hour later, they are all back in the car heading home. The father turns to the son and says, “Son, I hope you’ve learned an important lesson today?” The son turns to his father and says, “Yes, Father, I have.” Father says, “Good son, and what is it?”

    The son replies “I’ve only been a Crusaders supporter for an hour and already I hate you Auckland bastards

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  121. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    I went back to shooting things a very very long way away which kept me kinda outta trouble.

    Seems to be the fashion now days. I like to creep up close, since I have to walk over there anyway to grab some meat. It also saves having to cart around a heavy rifle, scope, bipod, range finder, spotting scope and other crap.

    One thing I can say, all jokes aside, is my rugby playing mates have big troubles out hunting in the high mountains. Mainly knee and shoulder injuries.

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  122. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    A seven-year-old boy was at the centre of an Auckland courtroom drama yesterday when he challenged a court ruling over who should have custody of him.

    The boy has a history of being beaten by his parents and the judge initially awarded custody to his aunt, in keeping with child custody law and regulations requiring that family unity be maintained to the degree possible.

    The boy surprised the court when he proclaimed that his aunt beat him more than his parents and he adamantly refused to live with her. When the judge then suggested that he live with his grandparents, the boy cried out that they also beat him.

    After considering the remainder of the immediate family and learning that domestic violence was apparently a way of life among them, the judge took the unprecedented step of allowing the boy to propose who should have custody of him.

    After two recesses to check legal references and confer with child welfare officials, the judge granted temporary custody to the Auckland Blues Rugby Team, whom the boy firmly believes are not capable of beating anyone.

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  123. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Oh dear.

    i seem to have stirred up the self haters big time tonight.
    Notice how they all avoid the question.

    The question is.

    Why do you hate yourselves so much that you need to denigrate your countries
    achievements in the sporting world ?

    Simple question.

    And, most pittiful of all is poor old big bruv. his “argument” consists of answering a question
    with a question.
    The most pittiful of all.

    Try and address the question.

    Surely it can’t be so hard.

    Need me to repeat it just for you big bruv ?

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  124. big bruv (13,888 comments) says:

    bereal.

    Check out the GD thread of the 25th and you will find that I and others answered your question.

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  125. Griff (7,700 comments) says:

    The Wallabies rugby practice was delayed nearly two hours today after a player reported finding an unknown white powdery substance on the practice field.

    Head coach Robbie Deans immediately suspended practice while police and federal investigators were called to investigate. After a complete analysis, investigating forensic experts determined that the white substance unknown to players was the try line. Practice was resumed after special agents decided the team was unlikely to encounter the substance again.

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  126. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    A man meets a friend who’s a long time supporter of the Auckland Blues. He sees
    that his friend’s car is total write-off and covered with leaves, grass, branches, dirt and blood.
    He asks his friend “What’s happened to your car?”
    “Well,” the friend responds, “I ran over Pat Lam”.
    “OK,” says the man, “that explains the blood… But what about the leaves, the grass, the
    branches and the dirt ?”
    “Well, he tried to escape through the park.”

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  127. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    Kea.
    Open sights and black powder.
    I only do deer at less than 400 M.

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  128. Griff (7,700 comments) says:

    In 1993 3 kids were playing in the street in Sydney when they were hit by a train. They all go to heaven and God says to them, “You weren’t supposed to die, you were all supposed to live out your lives. This was not your time. To make it up to you, I’ll let you choose what you want to do with your life. Take a running jump off of that cloud over there, and as you’re flying back down to Earth, shout out what you want to do. And so it shall be.”
    The 1st kid takes a running leap and shouts “Lawyer” and so, 20 years later, he is a very successful lawyer, making lots of money, with an upcoming appointment to the Bench.

    The 2nd kid takes his turn and shouts “brain surgeon” and so, 20 years later, he is the most admired man in his field of medicine and making a ton of money saving lives.

    The 3rd kid goes to take his turn, and as he runs he trips over his own feet and stumbles of the cloud muttering “stupid clumsy arsehole.” 20 years later, he’s playing the back line for the Wallabies.

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  129. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    oh dear,
    big bruv, @ 7.51
    is that all you have ?

    i might say, “check out what my grandmother said on the 10th of nevember 1882″

    You moron.

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  130. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    During the second half of the last Auckland Blues game, Pat Lam remonstrated with the linesman and demanded a ball be introduced to the game. The puzzled official informed Pat that there was already a ball on the paddock.” I know” said Lam ” but the opposition are using that one…”

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  131. big bruv (13,888 comments) says:

    bereal.

    Tell me, is your life so sad that you have nothing else but a rugby team to define you as a person?

    More people in NZ don’t give a shit about the national rugby team than support it, deal with it and move on.

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  132. Griff (7,700 comments) says:

    Why do people tend to hate Australian Rugby players on sight?
    Because it saves time.

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  133. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    Kea.
    Open sights and black powder.
    I only do deer at less than 400 M.

    I gather you have a fine flowing beard then Colville ? :)

    400 m is a fair way with a black powder rifle. Yeah I know about the Buffalo hunters back in the day, but misses did not matter and they tracked down the wounded later.

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  134. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    A Blues fan walks past Video Ezy & sees an ad for “The Auckland Blues – The Glory Years”.
    He goes into the shop and asks how much it is.
    “$100″ says the assistant.
    “That’s a bit steep, how come it’s so dear ??”
    “Well its a tenner for the tape and $90 for the Betamax recorder!”

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  135. Griff (7,700 comments) says:

    Another take on a classic

    Traveling in a train were a Wallaby, an All Black, a spectacular looking blonde and an older lady. After several minutes of the trip, the train happens to pass through a dark tunnel, and the unmistakable sound of a slap is heard. When they leave the tunnel, the Wallaby had a big red slap mark on his cheek.

    (1) The blonde thought – “That horrible Wallaby wanted to touch me and by mistake, he must have put his hand on the lady, who in turn must have slapped his face.”

    (2) The older lady thought – “This dirty Wallaby laid his hands on the blonde and she smacked him.”

    (3) The Wallaby thought – “That bloody All Black put his hand on that blonde and by mistake she slapped me.”

    (4) The All Black thought – “I hope there’s another tunnel soon so I can smack that stupid Wallaby again.”

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  136. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    Dear Santa

    For Christmas please could I have.

    Vaseline
    Anal Beads

    and the new Auckland Blues Supporters jersey?

    thank you

    love

    A Follower xxxx

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  137. Griff (7,700 comments) says:

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2007/10/all_black_jokes.html
    Nothing new under the sun :lol:

    Atheism; A non prophet organisation

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  138. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Everyone should read this. Its what makes a Kiwi.

    A Pakeha whakapapa

    This piece inspired a young man called Rob Davies to write to me. It inspires me too, and I hope you feel the same.
    Ancestors of the mind
    A PAKEHA WHAKAPAPA

    by Jim Traue

    Chief Librarian
    Alexander Turnbull Library
    Wellington
    1973 – 1990

    http://johnansell.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/a-pakeha-whakapapa/

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  139. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    Thanks for the link V2. If there’s one striking difference between the two ethnic groups it’s the development of the written word by one of them.

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  140. calendar girl (1,232 comments) says:

    lilman @ 1:09 – the adjective is Belarusian. I wasn’t certain either, and had to look it up (my “word of the day”).

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  141. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Oh dear.

    i seem to have stirred up the self haters big time tonight.
    Notice how they all avoid the question.

    The question is.

    Why do you hate yourselves so much that you need to denigrate the mighty (once) Auckland team

    Come on you haters stop it its not fair why do you hate so easily Auckland is great, personally I define myself by supporting them

    My point is quite simple.

    What is so fucked about so many New Zealanders that they hate themselves so much and the mighty (once )Auckland rugby team

    Come on you haters stop, stop the jokes, if I drank piss I drink more and get more incoherent and ranty , just stop it, you know who you are nasska, waiarapa bush, ha, haters all……………………………and fade to endless drunken rambling

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  142. Reid (16,454 comments) says:

    Why do you hate yourselves so much that you need to denigrate the mighty (once) Auckland team

    Because they’re tossers Paul. If you weren’t always so pissed yourself, you’d wake up to that simple, obvious transparently apparent fact.

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  143. Kea (12,839 comments) says:

    Anyone who’s self image is dependant on the outcome of a ruby game and who obtains their self worth through a bunch of strangers (ab’s) is likely to be self hating.

    The majority of us could not care less how the ab’s do at their little games.

    But thanks for your concern bereal and co.

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  144. Griff (7,700 comments) says:

    Latest update on sandy flood warnings in NYC
    http://forecast.weather.gov/showsigwx.php?warnzone=NYZ072&warncounty=NYC061&firewxzone=NYZ072&local_place1=&product1=Coastal+Flood+Warning

    IMPACTS…A LONG DURATION COASTAL FLOOD EVENT IS EXPECTED WITH
    MODERATE TO MAJOR FLOODING THIS MORNING INTO EARLY
    AFTERNOON…AND POTENTIAL HISTORIC FLOODING TONIGHT INTO EARLY
    TUESDAY MORNING. THE EXACT TRACK AND TIMING OF THE COASTAL STORM
    WILL DETERMINE THE MAGNITUDE OF COASTAL FLOODING TONIGHT THROUGH
    THE TUESDAY MORNING HIGH TIDE CYCLE…BUT THE POTENTIAL IS HIGH
    FOR SIGNIFICANT INUNDATION AND DAMAGE TO STRUCTURES IN
    HISTORICALLY FLOOD PRONE SPOTS.

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  145. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Another conspiracy theory? http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2012/10/29/labor-department-may-delay-jobs-report/

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  146. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Unions unite against New Zealand trade ties

    by: ANNABEL HEPWORTH, NATIONAL BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT
    From: The Australian
    October 30, 2012 12:00AM

    UNIONS have launched a rearguard action against proposals for a new round of trade liberalisation between Australia and New Zealand that will slash tariffs, loosen restrictions on trans-Tasman direct investment and review the foreign ownership caps on Qantas and Air New Zealand.

    The ACTU and the New Zealand Council of Trade Unions have mounted a rare united push against plans to further integrate the two economies made by a review commissioned by prime ministers Julia Gillard and John Key.

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/industrial-relations/unions-unite-against-new-zealand-trade-ties/story-fn59noo3-1226505682175

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  147. tom hunter (4,838 comments) says:

    I suspect there’s only going to be one story today – Hurricane Sandy. Here’s the Statue of Liberty webcam, which showed a nice view of Manhattan at dawn yesterday – with some fairly hairy sounds from the high winds.

    Now – well, the wind is far worse, and you only get glimpses of the city as the wind blows away the water droplets. Still worth it to get a the feeling of being there: our virtual world.

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  148. tom hunter (4,838 comments) says:

    The best site for this is probably the single-page view set up by Brendan Loy.

    The graph to watch in the next few hours is the tide graph, especially the green line which effectively marks the storm surge -anything over 5.5 feet means flooding in NYC, subways and all.

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