General Debate 30 October 2012

October 30th, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. lilman (883 comments) says:

    A wolf pack of one .

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  2. bhudson (4,734 comments) says:

    Keep an eye out for David Carradine, Lone Wolf…

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  3. Keeping Stock (10,088 comments) says:

    As if the refereeing and diving in the Wellington Phoenix’s match at Adelaide on Saturday night wasn’t bad enough, the Aussie Football Federation (FFA) has buried its head in the sand. It’s defence of Jarred Gillett is lame at best; Blind Freddie could see that Jeronimo took a dive. Gillett has “form” in making dodgy decisions, yet the FFA won’t hear a bad word against him.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/10/bad-form-ffa.html

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  4. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    Holly Walker on housing:

    http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2012/10/stuff-that-holly-hates.html

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  5. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    And check out the snake: http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2012/10/trevor-snake.html

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  6. Fletch (5,994 comments) says:

    The difference in the presidential campaigns re: hurricane Sandy.
    Romney is using his campaign bus to help folks –

    The Romney campaign has canceled campaign events, commercials, and fundraising appeals in states that will be impacted by Hurricane Sandy, and is instead using a campaign bus to help deliver supplies to those who will be impacted by what forecasters are predicting may be a “storm of the century.” 

    The Obama campaign has canceled events, but has yet to announce it have pulled commercials or fundraising appeals from states in Sandy’s path. Romney was also first on the scene when Hurricane Irene struck the Gulf Coast in August, with President Obama arriving three days later after adjusting his schedule.

    Twitchy, which keeps track of everything that happens on Twitter in real time, posted photos of relief supplies next to Romney’s campaign bus in Virginia, where Romney was supposed to have campaigned on Sunday before canceling his events. 

    And, according to CBS News:
    The campaign is taking similar precautions in New Hampshire, where Ann Romney was supposed to be on Monday. They have cancelled that visit and are instead using another campaign bus to help with relief there.
    The Obama campaign has also cancelled events as Sandy approaches. President Obama was briefed by FEMA in Washington, D.C., today and labeled it a “serious and big storm.”

    A Romney adviser told ABC News that the Romney campaign felt comfortable that Romney has gotten his message across to voters and the campaign did not even “want to even trivialize matters by talking about the state of the race when you have so many people right now that are going to be adversely impacted by the storm.”

    Paul Ryan also opened up his campaign event in Ohio on Sunday, according to ABC News, by telling a crowd: “First let me start on a slightly different note, let’s today when we get home, put in our prayers the people who are in the East Coast in the wake of this big storm that’s coming, let’s not forget those fellow Americans of ours.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/28/Romney-Uses-Campaign-Bus-To-Collect-Relief-Supplies-For-Those-Impacted-By-Hurricane-Sandy

    Whereas the Obama campaign is still asking people to man it’s phone banks in the middle of a storm…

    …For those who can’t see the photo: Fox News is reporting an email where Obama for America asked for volunteers to man the Annapolis, MD phone banks, starting at 5:30 PM this afternoon. At that point, Hurricane Sandy will be descending upon the Chesapeake Bay area and will make landfall some time between 8 PM this evening and 8 AM tomorrow. Annapolis is in the possible storm track. It WILL get hammered by winds, rain, and flooding.

    So NO. DO NOT GO INTO ANNAPOLIS TO PHONE BANK TODAY. IT CAN WAIT.

    Sheesh. Are there no adults in Obama for America? …Sorry, rhetorical question.

    http://www.redstate.com/2012/10/29/obama-for-america-go-phone-bank-in-the-middle-of-the-hurricane/

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  7. Manolo (13,315 comments) says:

    Oh no! http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/7878991/Maori-turn-Australian-towns-into-little-NZs

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  8. FrankPJ (3 comments) says:

    St John ambulance last week made the decision to grant awards to two employees, known members of a paedophile gang. The awards are to be presented by the Governor General.

    Do New Zealanders support the presentation of awards to these two paedophiles?

    If the Governor General had presented these awards in the UK, he would be facing serious legal action: http://bit.ly/LegalActionForCoveringUpPaedophilia-UK
    Similarly, if he was in the US, our Head of State could be facing imprisonment: http://bit.ly/LegalActionForCoveringUpPaedophilia-US

    No other country in the world is as tolerant as NZ toward paedophiles and those who exploit children. No other country in the world has been as brutally abusive as NZ toward a capable, loving family, desperate to protect their vulnerable child from exploitation. A summary of these NZ atrocities is here:
    http://bit.ly/ourNZexperience
    The document above contains comments from a large number of experts – over 30 professors and doctorates, NZ MPs, members of the House of Commons and the House of Lords.

    1. Should the NZ Head of State be putting himself in the position where he would be facing serious legal action and possibly prison if he was in the UK or the US.

    2. Is there no limit to what NZ will do to promote paedophilia?

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  9. Manolo (13,315 comments) says:

    Who is right here? http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/hutt-valley/7879028/Hutt-bus-driver-gets-10-000-after-sacking

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  10. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    When the US government ignored repeated warnings by its own scientists and allowed untested genetically modified (GM) crops into our environment and food supply, it was a gamble of unprecedented proportions. The health of all living things and all future generations were put at risk by an infant technology.

    After two decades, physicians and scientists have uncovered a grave trend. The same serious health problems found in lab animals, livestock, and pets that have been fed GM foods are now on the rise in the US population. And when people and animals stop eating genetically modified organisms (GMOs), their health improves.

    http://www.therealfoodchannel.com/videos/gmos-genetically-modified-food-1/the-war-against-your-food-and-health.html

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  11. vto (1,128 comments) says:

    This government and the farmers in Canterbury could not get their irrigation schemes underway utilising the processes of democracy and established business practice so they get rid of democracy and steal it. Theft. Worse than fucking dole bludgers. It will come back to haunt.

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  12. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    ANZ Bank.
    Well day one was fine.
    Day two though is a different matter.
    Banking from yesterday isn’t shown on internet banking.
    0800 help. well if its cheques they won’t until cleared. Its shows on our screen.

    So how do we do our accounting then when we can’t reconcile our banking?
    don’t know!

    woop te do.
    So what worked for years and years since Country Wide days is now trashed by ANZ.
    And they want to be according to their CEO the best bank in NZ.

    They have fuck all chance at this rate.

    Seriously pissed off person who then has to waste his time on these stupid people.

    Oh and no I didn’t read the screeds of PR stuff they sent. I am the customer, something which even their person reckoned was OK.

    dickheads in charge.

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  13. Tauhei Notts (1,601 comments) says:

    Viking2
    I use, on a regular basis, internet banking for BNZ, ASB Bank, Westpac, National Bank, National Australia Bank, ASB Bank (Australian account), Westpac Australian account, TSB Bank, ANZ Bank (personal) and ANZ Bank (business).
    ANZ Bank (business) is consistently the worst and most clumsy system. Absolutely phucking hopeless!
    No, I don’t have accounts at all of those banks but I administer outfits that do.

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  14. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Monique Watson (694) Says:
    October 30th, 2012 at 8:25 am

    Holly Walker on housing:

    http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2012/10/stuff-that-holly-hates.html

    Ha what a joke. she was moaning about leaky homes as well.
    well guess who asserbated that problem by insisting that treating pine with preservatives to stop the pine rotting was bad for the environment?
    would that have been the Greens and the Blue green mate from Nelson.

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  15. Sofia (817 comments) says:

    Disaffection among young Maori men and a sense of not belonging are part of the problem, Maori Party co-leader Pita Sharples said. He is campaigning for New Zealand history to be taught in all schools.

    In a speech last week, he said Maori children were not achieving well in schools because teachers, with other New Zealanders, were not familiar with the history and traditions that made Maori students who they were.

    Familiarity with Maori culture was behind the success of kura kaupapa, immersion schools, he said.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10843785

    Co-stars’ meaty new roles
    Temuera Morrison turns cannibal for film

    from the film clip – ‘I Accept that cannablism was once part of the Maori way of life.”
    “Oh, we are not Maori Cannibals, we are just cannibals – who happen to be Maori”

    “… lesbians, cannibals, action – all the stuff you need in a great movie” – Temuera Morrison
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/7867130/Co-stars-meaty-new-roles

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  16. Akaroa (535 comments) says:

    Hi DPF!

    More happy holiday snaps please!

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  17. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Tauhei Notts

    This is my national account that they have taken over. Wankers all.
    done the same with an ANZ business account as well.
    In that case it shows on Zero but not online.
    Durr

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  18. Reid (15,912 comments) says:

    Frank @ 8:54 that story is unbelievable. Everyone should read it. Chilling.

    However, the State was not happy that we wanted to hold them accountable for their inappropriate intervention in our family. Realising they had no legal grounds to remove our daughter they secretly encouraged our child to leave home on her own, promising her that when she was 16 the State would provide for all her needs on condition that she has no further contact with her family.

    and

    At the initial interim court hearing, our daughter’s barrister Barry MacLean, launched into a tirade of lies to discredit the mother, Margaret. It comprised vicious vitriol – a 20-minute stream of baseless fabrications. At the end of his tirade, Justice Ryan called a recess for morning tea. When the court re-assembled after the recess, the court was surprised to see that Barry MacLean had left the building with no intention of returning. Having told his lies, he simply left, abandoning the court proceedings. As the opposing barrister was not present, we and our lawyer were now not permitted to address the court. We were thus denied an opportunity to refute Barry MacLean’s tirade of lies besmirching Margaret’s character. Rather than postponing the hearing or cancelling the hearing as would be required by the rule of law, Justice Ryan closed proceedings and retired to consider his verdict. Needless to say, the verdict was to impose an interim gagging order on us until the full hearing two years later, with severe repercussions for the future of our family.

    …are just some of the things “the system” did to this family. Everyone needs to read it. It’s absolutely chilling.

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  19. Reid (15,912 comments) says:

    Father of the murdered SEAL in Benghazi:

    “My son violated his orders in order to protect the lives of at least 30 people. He risked his life to be a hero. I wish that the leadership in the White House had the same moral courage that my son displayed with his life.”

    http://lastbesthope.sayanythingblog.com/2012/10/26/my-son-violated-his-orders-in-order-to-protect-the-lives-of-at-least-30-people-he-risked-his-life-to-be-a-hero-i-wish-that-the-leadership-in-the-white-house-had-the-same-moral-courage-that-my-son-d/

    For those who haven’t been following the story, this details the background allegations: that there were orders given not to respond to requests for help. An anti-terror unit was 2 hours away and C-130 Spectres were readily available, yet despite requests, no help was sent. And why was this.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223747/CIA-agents-Benghazi-twice-asked-permission-help-Ambassador-Chris-Stevens-bullets-flying-twice-told-stand-down.html

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  20. Reid (15,912 comments) says:

    Also this: Clinton asked for more security before it happened and Obama said no.

    http://granitegrok.com/blog/2012/10/benghazi-gate-reveals-the-clintons-we-all-remember

    And Steve Jobs yacht just completed:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2224559/Steve-Jobs-yacht-revealed-260-foot-ship-finished-year-Apple-founders-death.html?ICO=most_read_module

    And more on the Savile case, apparently this guy is not the one alluded to by the Labour MP last week:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2224167/Former-Minister-says-Thatcher-aide-paedophile-preyed-boys-home–Hague-known.html

    I said a few weeks back that one allegation about these rings are the intelligence services find them useful because it generates the best blackmail material imaginable. Well this guy was Thatcher’s PPS so you’d imagine it would be very useful to have some material on him, wouldn’t you.

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  21. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Jetstar goes lower, selling 1c fares

    Tuesday, 30, Oct, 2012 9:55AM

    The domestic airline war has just gone as low as it can go without giving seats away.

    Jetstar is selling fares for one cent each.

    It says 3,000 such seats will be made available by the end of this week.

    Its entire domestic network is part of the campaign – Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch, Queenstown and Dunedin.

    600 seats will be made available every week day for an hour, between 6 and 7pm.

    It’s the same week the airline has its 100 millionth passenger scheduled.

    Problem is though that Jetstar will more than likely cancel the flights. eh :lol:

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  22. publicwatchdog (2,093 comments) says:

    Here you go Kiwibloggers – I know some of you have been breathless (if not pantless) awaiting this info? ;)
    _________________________________________________________________________________________________

    WELLINGTON! LEARN FROM THE AUCKLAND $UPERCITY! “CORRUPTION AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS”!

    This presentation was filmed, and can be viewed, (after registering – costs nothing to register) at http://www.allaboutauckland.com/

    “CORRUPTION AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS” 25 October 2012
    ________________________________________________________________________________

    AUCKLAND COUNCIL GOVERNING BODY 25 OCTOBER 2012 PUBLIC FORUM
    – “CORRUPTION AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS” Penny Bright (Transcript)

    “I hate to be the one to pop the hot air balloon, but New Zealand is actually a corrupt, polluted tax haven.

    Although we are ‘perceived’ to be the ‘least corrupt country in the world’, the Transparency International ‘Corruption Perception Index’ is actually based upon the subjective opinions of anonymous business people.

    If NZ is ‘the least corrupt country in the world’ – arguably we should be the most transparent.

    So – how come the ‘books’ of Auckland Council and Council Controlled Organisations (CCOs) are NOT open?

    How come we are not given the ‘devilish detail’ – the NAMES of the consultants/contractors; the SCOPE, the TERM and VALUE of the contracts?

    As of 21 November last year, there were 5000 contracts to 12,500 suppliers.

    Please be reminded Councillors, of your statutory duties under the Local Government Act :

    s.14 Principles relating to local authorities

    (1 )In performing its role, a local authority must act in accordance with the following principles:

    (a)a local authority should—
    (i) conduct its business in an open, transparent, and democratically accountable manner; and

    (g)a local authority should ensure prudent stewardship and the efficient and effective use of its resources in the interests of its district or region;

    You swear an Oath to the public:

    “I, declare that I will faithfully and impartially, and according to the best of my skill and judgment, execute and perform, in the best interests of Auckland, the powers, authorities, and duties vested in or imposed upon me as a member of the Auckland Council by virtue of the Local Government Act 2002, the Local Government Official Information and Meetings Act 1987, or any other Act.”

    So, how come you are not carrying out your statutory duties?

    How come you are not enforcing s.42 of the Local Government Act which makes it encumbent upon the CEO to ensure:

    (2)A chief executive appointed under subsection (1) is responsible to his or her local authority for—
    (e)maintaining systems to enable effective planning and accurate reporting of the financial and service performance of the local authority;

    This is not the first time that I’ve raised these issues with you.

    What channel that I could have gone down, have I not gone down?

    I have made a formal complaint to the National Archives Office because under s.17 of the Public Records Act 2005:
    17 Requirement to create and maintain records

    (1)Every public office and local authority must create and maintain full and accurate records of its affairs, in accordance with normal, prudent business practice, including the records of any matter that is contracted out to an independent contractor.

    You are not doing that.

    And – who is holding you to account?

    That’s why a formal complaint has been lodged with the Office of the Auditor-General and they ‘look at it before they look at it’ – but what this complaint is requesting is to investigate allegedly corrupt ‘conflicts of interest’ of Auckland Council CEO Doug McKay who is also a member of the extremely powerful private lobby group – the Committee for Auckland.

    How many contracts have been awarded by Auckland Council and any of the following CCOs to member companies of the Committee for Auckland?
    Watercare Services Ltd

    Auckland Transport

    ATEED (Auckland Tourism, Events and Economic Development Ltd)

    ACIL (Auckland Council Investment Ltd)

    AWDA (Auckland Waterfront Development Agency Ltd)

    RFA (Regional Facilities Auckland)

    ACPL (Auckland Council Property Ltd)

    Also – we want an investigation – why has Auckland Council not ensured CEO Doug McKay has carried out his statutory duties?

    Since 2006 – people such as myself organized opposition to the ‘Supercity’ because we said
    the ‘Supercity’ was not to benefit the majority of citizens and ratepayers.

    The purpose of the ‘Supercity’ was to set up a bigger public trough, for fewer, but bigger private snouts.

    Now we have the evidence to support this.

    The fact of the matter is that the ‘Supercity’ was a corrupt corporate coup – the organizational mechanism for the corporate takeover being the CCO model, which has never been subject to any ‘cost-benefit’ analysis by the Office of the Auditor-General; the Department of Internal Affairs; Treasury or any Council.

    To finish – I believe there should be NO TAXATION without TRANSPARENCY or ACCOUNTABILITY. That’s why I have not paid my rates since 2008, and I refuse to do so.

    I believe that the people of Auckland must make a stand to take back our region from corporate control, and I call on people to take that action. NO SAY – NO PAY!

    QUESTION FROM COUNCILLOR CATHY CASEY:

    “What response have you had from Council when you have asked for the list of contractors that you named – the 5000 and 12,500 suppliers.

    What reason have you been given for withholding this information?”

    MY REPLY:

    Reasons given on 21 November 2011 from Darrell Griffin (Manager for Democracy Services):

    When I asked:

    ” 1) Is the Auckland Council, in a truly ‘open, transparent and democratically-accountable’ way,
    going to ensure that citizens and ratepayers of the Auckland region are going to be given the ‘devilish’ detail,
    so we can see exactly where our rates monies are being spent on private sector consultants and contractors?

    a) Are the names of the consultants/ contractors; the scope, term and value of these contracts going to be
    published in the Auckland Council annual Report so that they are available for public scrutiny?

    b) If not – why not?

    (ANSWER) Not at this stage. there are 500 contracts related to 12,500 suppliers. To collate and publish these
    would be a major exercise logistically and cost-wise. ”

    That is the answer – the books are not open – they are still not open.

    I checked on the website this morning in the forlorn hope that there might have been some development.
    You put ‘contracts’ in the Council website – you find nothing.

    But – on the front page of the Auckland Council website – ‘Investment in Auckland’.

    If you are an investor – Auckland Council is very keen to help you and give you information.

    If you are a ratepayer wanting to know where your monies are being spent – sorry – BAD LUCK.

    Just one final point.

    This book to which I was referring contains ten new ‘Items of Evidence’ that High Court Judge Ellis allowed
    me to adduce in the Occupy Auckland vs Auckland Council case at which I was an Appellant.

    So – it’s not only the Office of the Auditor-General looking at these issues – also a High Court Judge.
    ________________________________________________________________________________

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

    http://www.stopthesupercity.org.nz

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  23. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Predictably the, end of the world global warming cult, are claiming Sandy is “evidence” of climate change.

    However, when confronted by record freezing temperatures across Europe, the alarmists dismiss this as “weather” and point out that single events are not evidence of climate change.

    Good morning Griff :)

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  24. Manolo (13,315 comments) says:

    Miss Dim, just bugger off, will you?

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  25. Elaycee (4,286 comments) says:

    That’s why I have not paid my rates since 2008, and I refuse to do so.

    Someone seem proud of the fact they sponge off other ratepayers….

    Staggering….

    Elaycee,
    Attendee: Wairarapa Dog Selections, Marquis of Normanby Hotel, Carterton, 1981.
    Member: Committee to fast track the new Housing project at Panmure – 2012.
    http://www.penny.does.anything.to.get.attention.nutbar

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  26. RF (1,260 comments) says:

    Just read about 3 of Pita Sharples Maori’s scholars who have obviously been swotting up on Maori tradition. 3 kids, one thought to be around 8 held up a female at gun point in Pukekohe on Saturday night. They stole her hand bag and car.

    Scum !!!!

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  27. Grendel (949 comments) says:

    How long can you not pay your rates for before they take your house? it cant be 4 years!

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  28. Manolo (13,315 comments) says:

    Four years later: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/29/politics-insult-alive-and-well-despite-obama-2008-lament/

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  29. tom hunter (4,367 comments) says:

    Water levels at The Battery have now topped ten feet and rising. They’ve suddenly changed the scale to twelve feet to account for this.

    The green line – which is a measure of the storm surge – looked like it was going to plateau about 30 minutes ago but is now rising again. Even if it had plateaued the actual water level would have gone above ten feet since high tide will occur at 9PM EST (2pm NZ time). One twitter user reports:

    starting to have lights flickering in queens. most friends on LI lost power already. some in queens have too. hope subway holds.

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  30. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    There’s so much I could say about Penny, but why bother?

    She is utterly irrelevant to this society, this city, this country, this day and age.

    And the hypocrisy of Penny complaining about OTHERS not being transparent and open … pffft.

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  31. F E Smith (3,301 comments) says:

    I see that the egregious Andrew Sullivan made a post the other day arguing by implication that the Republicans are racist, and overtly that the Democrats are now the ‘Party of Lincoln’.

    Which is just pure rubbish, notwithstanding the fact that it is incredibly offensive for this left wing self-promoter (despite what he claims) to try and argue that the Democratic Party, the party that supported slavery in the USA, the party that opposed most civil rights measures through most of the 20th century, and the party that now uses race and gender in an attempt to divide and conquer, is the party of one of the great Presidents, elected as a Republican. 

    The Republicans are not a racist party, just like the Nats are not a racist party, just like the Coalition in Australia is not a mysognist party.  The thing is that their opponents want to believe that they are a racist party because that gives them an unanswerable way of demonising them without resorting to, you know, arguing policy.  

    Anyway, when I still read Whaleoil (which I no longer do), I saw that he used to quote Sullivan all of the time.  I have know I idea why he would give time to that idiot, but it is his blog, so he can taint it with who he likes…

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  32. tom hunter (4,367 comments) says:

    Anyway, when I still read Whaleoil (which I no longer do), I saw that he used to quote Sullivan all of the time.

    Really? That seems incredibly stupid when one considers what a flake of a commentator Sullivan is. As I said after the first debate, Sullivan is hysterical when Obama is winning and hysterical when he’s losing.

    It is incredibly offensive

    Perhaps. It would be more offensive if he had any real credibility, which he should not have retained after his nearly insane pursuit of the conspiracy theory around Palin’s baby, Trig – which gave rise to the term “Trig Trutherism”.

    Has there ever been a gay man so obsessed with one woman’s vagina?

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  33. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    tom hunter at 11:39 am – My brother who is near Allentown PA lost power several hours ago.

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  34. tom hunter (4,367 comments) says:

    Yah. Friends of mine in Tarrytown are probably okay on high ground as the wind is not really the problem.

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  35. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Posties win holiday pay battle
    FIONA ROTHERHAM
    Last updated 11:17 30/10/2012

    Posties have won a six-year battle against NZ Post over calculations for holiday pay, in a court ruling that is likely to affect all employees entitled to holiday pay.

    The Court of Appeal has overturned the decisions of the Employment Court and the Employment Relations Authority following an appeal by the Postal Workers Union of Aotearoa, which represents around 1200 posties. A further 3,000

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/7881652/Posties-win-holiday-pay-battle

    More shit for national to fix. If it can be bothered. don’t seem much interested in anything these days.

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  36. tom hunter (4,367 comments) says:

    If anybody had any doubts about how exceptional Hurricane Sandy is ….

    The water level at the Battery in #NYC has reached 11.25 feet, surpassing the all-time record of 11.2 feet set in 1821. #Sandy

    So, a two century storm. And rather than waste your time with TV1 or TV3, why not just take advantage of the Internet and watch channel ABC7 in NYC.

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  37. F E Smith (3,301 comments) says:

    Has there ever been a gay man so obsessed with one woman’s vagina?

    Classic!!   I had forgotten about the Trig obsession.  As you point out, it makes you wonder why anybody would pay attention to him, but for some reason they do.

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  38. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    I have just been talking with a friend in New York.

    Her husband works just Ten Minutes walk away and can not get home. He is close by the collapsed high rise Crane.

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/10/29/crane-partially-collapses-atop-new-yorks-tallest-residential-building-as-hurricane-sandy-approaches/

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  39. Scott Chris (5,870 comments) says:

    So, a two century storm.

    This kind of storm is likely to be seen more frequently.

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  40. kowtow (7,581 comments) says:

    Ezra Levant invites us to compare the treatment given by the consensus media to Obama’s background to that of their “insane,obsessive dumpster diving” into Sarah Palin’s life.

    http://www.fivefeetoffury.com/2012/05/29/excellent-ezra-levant-sums-up-all-the-mysteries-about-obamas-past-video/

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  41. Ed Snack (1,733 comments) says:

    I see from the “Weather Nerd” (http://pjmedia.com/weathernerd/2012/10/29/major-new-york-city-flood-appears-imminent/) that the current measurements predict a high water level of +15 feet, way over the previous record. That’ll do the NY Subway no end of trouble I suspect, as well as cause a host of other issues.

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  42. Manolo (13,315 comments) says:

    NEW YORK (AP) — A superstorm that sent water rushing onto city streets has left a large swath of the lower part of Manhattan without power.
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SUPERSTORM_NYC?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-10-29-21-19-48

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  43. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Just don’t expect to see this reported in the NZ Herald

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/29/Gallup-Shock-Romney-Up-7-with-early-voters

    Paul Thomas will be sick to his guts.

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  44. Longknives (4,390 comments) says:

    What the fuck is wrong with this Country? This sort of thing is just so common these days.
    I blame the Welfare State-Just encourages the wrong people to breed like rabbits…
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7882329/Child-murder-accused-showed-no-emotion

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  45. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Good question Longknives.
    But guess what, nothing will change, this sort of abomination will
    continue to happen in NZ untill, as you point out the Welfare State system changes.

    i note the day this happened was a Monday, seems neither Mum or her boyfriend went to work that day.
    (maybe it was his rostered day off)

    Any bets as to whether she was getting DPB and he was on the Unemployment Bene
    Mum found the child with soiled nappy in the shower and went to her room to watch a movie.
    This poor kid had suffered two boken arms in previous incidents. FFS

    Any bets as to whether this was a State house ?

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  46. kowtow (7,581 comments) says:

    longknives

    And the looney left ,assisted by national,criminalised good parenting due to the disproportionate amount of this behaviour among certain classes in this country!

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  47. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    Silly cunt as good as killed her own child. I’m talking about the egg donor here:
    http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2012/10/jj-lawrence.html

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  48. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    From the sublime to the ridiculous.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7881805/Increase-sentence-for-fracturing-babys-limbs-Crown

    Last week we saw a bloke who killed a baby by throwing it accross the room and smashing it into the
    wall get manslaughter, instead of murder.

    Of course the fact that it was only the first time he had killed a child probably counted in his favour.

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  49. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    In the senence appeal matter above means that “Judge” Mary Peters who sentenced this animal
    to home detention can now join the Judiciary roll of dishonour along with, “Judge” Raoul Neave, and
    “Judge” McNaughton, and ‘Judge” Harvey and “Judge” P. Cunningham, and other “Judges ” that other correspondents may care to name.

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  50. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Final point, then i will settle down.

    “Judge” Mary Peters gave that animal credit for his young age, 19

    That was the average age of the US Pfc servicemen who served in the Vietnam war.

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  51. chiz (1,119 comments) says:

    Hinamanu:When the US government ignored repeated warnings by its own scientists

    Myth. The US government followed the advice of its experts.

    and allowed untested genetically modified (GM) crops into our environment and food supply, it was a gamble of unprecedented proportions.

    There was no gamble. There was no reason, and still is no reason, to suspect that GM crops are a health threat.

    The health of all living things and all future generations were put at risk by an infant technology.

    This is just propaganda.

    After two decades, physicians and scientists have uncovered a grave trend.

    No they haven’t. A handful of crackpots have convinced themselves that they have discovered a trend, but many of these people have also “discovered” that vaccines cause autism, and that AIDS isn’t caused by a virus.

    The same serious health problems found in lab animals, livestock, and pets that have been fed GM foods are now on the rise in the US population.

    There have been hundreds of safety studies on GM crops. They are safe. Only a few studies have found evidence of harm and most of those, such as the recent Seralini nonsense, seem to have been done by people, like Seralini, who have ties to the anti-GE movement.

    AH, and I see you link to the nonsensical Genetic Roulette video. If I had a larger data cap I might watch it. I sometimes enjoy trashy nonsense, like Plan 9 From Outer Space etc.

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  52. Reid (15,912 comments) says:

    There have been hundreds of safety studies on GM crops. They are safe.

    I simply don’t know how anyone with a 3-digit IQ can possibly draw this conclusion at this point in time. When you talk GE you talk species-changing because that is what it is. This doesn’t mean that crossing a toad gene with a tomato is necessarily a bad thing, it may be, it may not. But the devil in the detail with genes are the effects don’t emerge for generations and generations. And sometimes those effects are not anticipated. And when you’re dealing with our food, you need to be careful.

    However, moronically, the US Supreme Court decision which allowed the law IP over living entities because the silly old SC didn’t understand the definition of a “living organism” and conflated the fact one of the oil companies had developed a GE bacteria in the lab which ate oil, with the legal principal of a commercially enforceable right over “life,” has resulted in commercial interests overriding the wider ethical considerations, which they have a wont to do. Shareholder return and all that. And they’re not known for waiting for decades and decades, are they.

    Not understanding this history and factoring this analysis fully into all market genetic releases, is fatal. Not for you, for your children.

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  53. chiz (1,119 comments) says:

    I simply don’t know how anyone with a 3-digit IQ can possibly draw this conclusion at this point in time.

    And its precisely this kind of ignorant bigotry that underlies the anti-Ge movement. The reason why most scientists don’t have a problem with genetic engineering – and this may be a difficult point for you to follow – is that they actually know something about the subject. In particular, they know enough to be able to make judgements on it, unlike anti-GE people whose knowledge is often quite rudimentary.

    When you talk GE you talk species-changing because that is what it is.

    Nonsense. Some GE projects do not involve transferring material between different species. And in those cases where DNA is moved between species – so what? Nature transfers DNA between species. Plant genes can be found in at least one marine mollusc, for example, put there by nature.

    And when you’re dealing with our food, you need to be careful.

    But you also need to be careful with ordinary plant breeding. Many people don’t seem to understand this.

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  54. kowtow (7,581 comments) says:

    Jeez the TVNZ hype about this “superstorm” is staggering. Yes it’s a big storm ,but to us here in NZ ,it’s nothing.

    Now Walrus is interviewing Salinger ,it’s global warming! And some girl Walrus was speaking to in NY assured us it’s global warming!

    So the coincidence of a hurricane hitting a high pressure system,active cold front,high tide and full moon is global warming.

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  55. Reid (15,912 comments) says:

    this kind of ignorant bigotry

    chiz, what are ya? When have I ever in my 12,000+ posts, expressed bigotry? Except against the Gweens.

    Some GE projects do not involve transferring material between different species.

    And some do but so what and er, der; I wasn’t pinning any significance on it anyway, it was a side-comment, not germane to the argument. What about that don’t you understand?

    Me: And when you’re dealing with our food, you need to be careful.

    chiz: But you also need to be careful with ordinary plant breeding. Many people don’t seem to understand this.

    Who cares about stupid plants chiz, it’s not as if we eat them, is it.

    Now Walrus is interviewing Salinger ,it’s global warming! And some girl Walrus was speaking to in NY assured us it’s global warming!

    So the coincidence of a hurricane hitting a high pressure system,active cold front,high tide and full moon is global warming.

    Yes kowtow. It’s the end… The end…. of the world!

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  56. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Yeah kowtow “its global warming” !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Yet the record colds in Europe, with many freezing to death, were just “weather”, along with a caution that single weather events are NOT climate.

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  57. RF (1,260 comments) says:

    Bereal .. After reading some of your recent posts I find you someone I could sit down with and have a quiet drink. Of course rugby would be off topic.

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  58. Manolo (13,315 comments) says:

    Al Gore and the Green fifth-columnist Nick Smith will soon be confirming that in fact Sandy’s cause is AGW. Another reason to maintain the ETS tax.

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  59. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Nelson mayor Aldo Miccio and Tasman mayor Richard Kempthorne released a joint statement yesterday saying Dr Smith had once more used incorrect rating figures that did not tell the true story.

    Dr Smith said in a newsletter to constituents rates have increased over the last decade by 13 per cent each year in Nelson, using compounding calculations, and 12 per cent each year in Tasman since 2001, and the debt of the two councils has trebled to more than $200 million during the last decade.

    “To repeatedly say increasing costs are entirely due to council decisions and use incorrect figures of 12 per cent and 13 per cent to support his view is both mystifying and disappointing,” Mr Miccio and Mr Kempthorne said.

    Its Nick Smith afterall.He is without doubt a clown.

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  60. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Who cares about stupid plants chiz, it’s not as if we eat them, is it.

    ha ha ha ha :)

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  61. Manolo (13,315 comments) says:

    The Kenyan’s agenda: http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/obama-s-second-term-agenda_657943.html

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  62. chiz (1,119 comments) says:

    Reid:When have I ever in my 12,000+ posts, expressed bigotry?

    When you claimed, in the post I was responding to, that anyone intelligent could not reach a different conclusion from you.

    I wasn’t pinning any significance on it anyway, it was a side-comment, not germane to the argument. What about that don’t you understand?

    You claimed that this was what genetic engineering was:

    When you talk GE you talk species-changing because that is what it is.

    So, you claim that GE is about species-changing, and now you claim that this claim was a side-comment and wasn’t germane? How is you definition or misunderstanding of GE not germane to a debate about GE?

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  63. chiz (1,119 comments) says:

    The case of the six scientists in Italy found guilty over failing to communicate earthquake risks properly has taken a new twist with revelations from a wiretapping of a civil defense boss who wasn’t charged.

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  64. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Of course when you get an opinion from a XXXX wit such as Salinger about global warming
    it is so, so convienient to “forget” to ask him if it is man made or not, and if so, why ?

    Nobody disputes there is climate change. (remember the Ice Age ?)
    What is the point of a mutual admiration society, “interview”

    Where does TVNZ drag up these moron brainless drongs ?

    Don’t we deserve better ?

    Also, thanks for that RF

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  65. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    I don’t think much of the questioner but you have to admit that the question is a doozy.

    Ref: http://imgur.com/gallery/n9Uvo

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  66. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Beautifull red sky tonight in Auckland, right now.

    Looking forward to a joke @ 8.00

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  67. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    Not long after his marriage, Joe Jr and his
    father Joe Sr, met for lunch.
    “Well, son,” asked Joe Sr, “how is married
    life treating you?”

    “Not very well, I’m afraid,” sighed junior.
    “It seems I married a nun.”

    “A nun?” his father questioned.

    “That’s right,” moaned Joe Jr. “None in
    the morning, none at night, and none at
    all unless I beg!”

    Joe Sr nodded knowingly and slapped his
    boy on the back a couple of times.

    “Why don’t we all get together for dinner
    tonight and have a nice talk?”

    Young Joe smiled, “Say, Dad, that’s a great
    idea!”

    “Fine,” replied Joe Sr, “I’ll call home and tell the Mother
    Superior to set two extra plates.”

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  68. RF (1,260 comments) says:

    Bereal.. Likewise. There will be times when we will disagree but I promise to tone down my out bursts. In my opinion many Judges are failed solicitors who for some reason have some clout and enjoy the status.

    I have been in chambers with a couple and they are not too bad one on one once you cut through the bull shit. Mind you I was a lowly Sgt out of his depth.

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  69. Nostalgia-NZ (4,896 comments) says:

    I see you’ve given up already bereal. Just in one night you’ve gone from defending the treasured, and misunderstood abs, to talking about beautiful skys. Someone you know lose a tooth, thereby helping you get in touch with your inner self and become a tooth fairy? You let the ball slip too easily for a die hard fan bereal, you didn’t get spear tackled, welcomed with an onehunga handshake across your flattened snout, eye-gouged or even a scrotum rip before you crossed over.
    Sometimes I think you’ve got a pony tail descending right down your back to you know where, which is the same reason for the weaknesses in the Auckland front row that you overlook at every opportunity. Take this sympathetic post to you as to an explanation of the real reason why you can’t put the ball in straight except under the hooker’s feet.

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  70. Griff (6,699 comments) says:

    Beryl makes a friend

    How cute

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  71. graham (2,214 comments) says:

    What a sad, sad case.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10843899

    Just 10 when he was arrested for killing his neo-Nazi father, the small, blonde child told police he pulled the gun from a low-lying closet shelf and aimed it at the man’s ear while he slept in the family’s California home.

    Now, the boy is standing trial for murdering 32-year-old Jeff Hall in a rare case that, if he’s held responsible for the death, could make him the youngest person currently in the custody of California’s corrections department.

    Prosecutors want a judge in Riverside to find the now-12-year-old child murdered Hall – a regional leader of the National Socialist Movement who headed rallies at a synagogue and day labour site – and keep him locked up as long as possible, citing a history of violent behaviour including choking a teacher with a telephone cord.

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  72. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    RF
    Surely most NZ judges are involved with Freemasonry? In the UK , most police officers are members of the brotherhood.

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  73. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Beryl makes a friend ….

    In a few short months there will no impediment to the two of you forging a life together in matrimonial bliss,.. the na sayers said it shouldn’t happen but no! nothing will stop this union especially now that RF is going to tone down his outbursts …..ain’t life grand

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  74. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    The sex scandal at the BBC continues to grow more disturbing. A woman has come forward who claims she witnessed Basil Brush being fisted.

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  75. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    No animostity to you Nostalgia-NZ, but.

    You hate the All Blacks, then when questioned it turns out you change your tune to hate the Haka.
    The question has to be asked, Maybe you just hate yourself,
    and your country, i don’t know.
    So O’Driscoll was spear tackled, no one denies that , but, he has forgiven Umanga.

    Why do you let that one episode obsess your life ?

    By the way N-Nz, i already did the ponytail joke, about a year ago, try and keep up babe.

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  76. Reid (15,912 comments) says:

    A woman has come forward who claims she witnessed Basil Brush being fisted.

    I’ve been telling you guys there are lots of boys involved in this, haven’t I. If those bastards can fist Basil there’s no limit to their depravity. They crossed the Rubicon, went through the looking glass. It’s red pill/blue pill time, people.

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  77. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    joanna

    Where do you get your information about Freemasons ?

    You state it is as fact.

    Like they say, put up or shut up.

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  78. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

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  79. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    bereal

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/police-may-be-forced-to-declare-masonic-links-706958.ht

    The bigger stations even have their own lodges, there are some pretty good stats for NZ as well showing a large number of masons reaching Commissioner, it was a standing joke that you had no chance if you wre a catholic, but there are catholic lodges now

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  80. RF (1,260 comments) says:

    Joana

    Most of the Judges I have come across were fairly weak and I believe left leaning. The odd one stood out as they were hard liners and used to be known as being pro police. You got to know these as solicitors sought remands for their clients to avoid being sentenced by them.

    Maybe Judges were Masons but that would have been years ago when the Police had their fair share of Irishmen. Now the Police are a mixed bunch and I believe lack commitment. Now soon as your shift is over off you go. In the good old days you just kept on working if something serious turned up.

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  81. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    The NZ Medical Association has weighed in on the Prime Minister’s prescription fee increase.

    The Allergists voted to scratch it, but the Dermatologists advised not to make any rash moves.

    The Gastroenterologists had a sort of a gut feeling about it, but the neurologists thought the Administration had a lot of nerve.

    The Obstetricians felt they were all labouring under a misconception.

    Ophthalmologists considered the idea short-sighted.

    Pathologists yelled, “Over my dead body!” while the Paediatricians said, “Oh, Grow up!”

    The Psychiatrists thought the whole idea was madness, while the Radiologists could see right through it.

    The Surgeons were fed up with the cuts and decided to wash their hands of the whole thing.

    The ENT specialists didn’t swallow it, and just wouldn’t hear of it ..

    The Pharmacologists thought it was a bitter pill to swallow, and the Plastic Surgeons said, “This puts a whole new face on the matter….”

    The Podiatrists thought it was a step forward, but the Urologists were pissed off at the whole idea.

    The Anaesthetists thought the whole idea was a gas, but the Cardiologists didn’t have the heart to say no.

    In the end, the Proctologists won out, leaving the entire decision up to the arseholes in Wellington !

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  82. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    and there @ 8.36

    Pauleastbay reveals his true intellectual weight.

    Nice one Paul.

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  83. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Well fuck ya then, no wedding present

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  84. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    An Australian, an Irishman and a Maori are in the bar.

    They’re staring at the man sitting by himself, at a table in the corner. He’s so familiar, and not recognising him
    Is driving them mad.

    They stare and stare, until suddenly the Irishman twigs:

    ‘Faith and begorrah, it’s Jesus!’

    Sure enough, it is Jesus nursing a pint.

    Thrilled, they send him over a pint of Guinness, a pint of Fosters and a pint of Tui.

    Jesus accepts the drinks, smiles over at the three men, and drinks the pints slowly, one after another. After He’s

    Finished the drinks, Jesus approaches the trio.

    He reaches for the hand of the Irishman and shakes it, thanking him for the Guinness. When He lets go, the

    Irishman gives a cry of amazement: ‘My God, the arthritis I’ve had for thirty-tree years is gone. It’s a miracle!’

    Jesus then shakes the hand of the Aussie, thanking him for the lager. As He lets go, the man’s eyes widen in shock.

    ‘Strewth mate, the back pain I’ve had all my life is completely gone. It’s a miracle!’

    Jesus then approaches the Maori who knocks over a chair and a table in trying to get away from the Son of God.

    ‘My child, what’s wrong?’ asks Jesus.

    The Maori shouts, ‘Buga off bro, I’m on a Sickness Benefit!’

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  85. RF (1,260 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay

    You would be surprised how several single malts makes you feel kindly to your fellow man. Fair not I do not intend to run away with bereal and start a new life however I am open to serious offers. If we arrange to meet I will be the one in the corner looking through the eye holes cut in the news paper. Pleased my wife does not read this crap.

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  86. nasska (10,611 comments) says:

    “In my defence,” I said in the police interview, “you could say they were just white collar crimes.”

    “You killed seven fucking priests!”

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  87. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Has there ever been a poor sad sack loser with a huge chip on his shoulder because
    he was never invited to join the Lodge than poor old Pauleastbay.?

    Ever wonderered why you were never invited Pauleastbay ?

    That question will chew your guts till the day you die.

    The answer is so obvious to everyone else.

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  88. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    pissed again bereal and its only tuesday, go outside and howl at the moon some more, – nothing sadder than watching a drunk disintergrate.

    You asked for proof re masons and a bit was put up, don’t ask questions if you don’t like the answers

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  89. mikenmild (10,611 comments) says:

    Ah but which are more evil: the micks or the masons (says the mug).

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  90. calendar girl (1,172 comments) says:

    Joanna @ 8.33pm: “Surely most NZ judges are involved with Freemasonry? In the UK , most police officers are members of the brotherhood.”

    Where did you drum up this latest bit of bigotry? And how do you have particular information about police officers in the UK – are you yourself British?

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  91. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    Oops here we go Auckland city council approving another far lefty street party…probably paying for it too….

    If I didn’t need my job I’d go along for a counter protest….but such is the lack,of free speech in this country………

    Saturday, November 3, 2pm, Karangahape Road (between Queen and Pitt Sts)

    A Street Party Against Privatisation

    organised by the Auckland Branch of Aotearoa is Not for Sale. Even though the government has put its plans to sell on “hold” we are continuing the PEACEFUL fight on the streets!

    We will have bands, djs, street theatre, a kids zone with pirates, face painting, jugglers, bubbles, games. There will also be speakers, stalls, two tonnes of snow and all sorts happening! Come along, bring the family and get involved Bring a couch, a ball, a paddling pool, the dog and some fun vibes to dance against asset sales!

    CONFIRMED ACTS: Mice on Stilts, Penny Dreadfuls, New Natives, DJs Tina Turntables, Tobi Jafa, Scalper live, Exile, Locksteady, Issa, Flex, Oogun, Azbo, Kwinton Vybz & Tommy Flowers!

    And its all free!! See you on the street!!
    http://www.facebook.com/events/490362170982687/

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  92. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    If I didn’t need my job I’d go along for a counter protest….but such is the lack,of free speech in this country………

    Kev, you can:

    1. Negotiate with you employer under our increasingly flexible labour laws for time off to attend political protests, or

    2. Just get yourself on a benefit. I hear life’s a dream if you can break into that rort!

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  93. Scott Chris (5,870 comments) says:

    The sex scandal at the BBC continues to grow more disturbing. A woman has come forward who claims she witnessed Basil Brush being fisted.

    Ha!

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