Glenn for Parliament?

October 7th, 2012 at 10:06 am by David Farrar

The Herald on Sunday reports:

Multi-millionaire has hinted his political aspirations toward becoming an independent MP are very much alive.

In a speech at the BNZ Business Conference this week, Glenn, 72, said he would consider a move into politics if a coalition between National or Labour with NZ First was on the cards for the next election.

“Where will that leave us as a country?” Glenn said. “Maybe someone else has to run on the basis of the current MMP rules … Why not me?”

Owen Glenn is right that that a coalition that involves NZ First is unlikely to be very stable, or good for NZ.

Entrepreneur Tenby Powell, who attended the business conference, said everyone in the room applauded Glenn: “He thinks we should all be standing up and saying what is on our mind as opposed to kow-towing to some of the institutions and bureaucracies and the people who are adding no value.

“He said we could do things differently and that he has some ideas and maybe he should take them forward as an independent candidate.”

University of Auckland professor of politics Barry Gustafson said he was doubtful Glenn could win a seat as an independent MP. “I would be surprised if he could do it because in many ways he has baggage coming in from supporting Labour and NZ First and the hoo-ha over that.”

If successful, however, Glenn would be the first person in about 80 years to enter politics as an independent MP.

I think it is unlkely an Indpendent MP would get elected.

For my 2c I think Glenn could do more good by promoting good policies for NZ, and funding badly needed institutions such as a NZ version of factcheck.org,

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42 Responses to “Glenn for Parliament?”

  1. Redbaiter (7,552 comments) says:

    “I would be surprised if he could do it because in many ways he has baggage coming in from supporting Labour and NZ First and the hoo-ha over that.”

    Didn’t this guy donate big money to Helen Klark and Winston in order to buy an ambassadorship or something?

    I’m appalled at the ethical standards of the current clutch of MPs and this apparent opportunist (“why not me?” he says) will IMHO only add to the problem.

    No thanks.

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  2. Pete George (22,773 comments) says:

    and funding badly needed institutions such as a NZ party independent people’s lobby.

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  3. lilman (884 comments) says:

    LOL, you gotta be joking ,Glen like the young ladies to much for” the Gaggle of Gays” to work constructively.

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  4. OECD rank 22 kiwi (2,810 comments) says:

    Becoming an MP would muck up is Non-Resident Tax status.

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  5. hj (6,343 comments) says:

    Good he is all for a low population.

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  6. MT_Tinman (2,985 comments) says:

    hj (3,040) Says:
    October 7th, 2012 at 10:56 am
    Good he is all for a low population. ,/i>

    Should be fine then, they don’t come much lower than those who vote left-wing.

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  7. Paul Marsden (986 comments) says:

    Just go back to FPP and rid NZ of all its ills (and save $ billions), in one go. But of course that will never, ever happen. Most of the intelligentsia have since left NZ.

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  8. Viking2 (11,125 comments) says:

    Paul Marsden (751) Says:
    October 7th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    Just go back to FPP and rid NZ of all its ills (and save $ billions), in one go. But of course that will never, ever happen. Most of the intelligentsia have since left NZ.

    You are dreaming of course.
    Prvious FPP govt.’s were no better than what we have now. Indeed worse as many were never represented.
    What you need to do is be upfront about what you are going to do and what your policy is.. Greens did it and theyare getting their way. Nats didn’t Labour can’t remember and Act failed to sell its rally good policy.

    All one needs is good principled policy, just a few and sell sell sell. Not that difficult.

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  9. Chuck Bird (4,668 comments) says:

    Colin Craig should do what do whatever is necessary to encourage Glenn to join the Conservatives but that would mean that Colin would have to give up almost total control of the party.

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  10. Nostalgia-NZ (4,899 comments) says:

    Not a bad idea Chuck. But would the ego’s of both men allow such a thing?

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  11. Chuck Bird (4,668 comments) says:

    Colin has age on his side. If he was prepared show he was prepared to listen and learn from Owen Glenn who is far more politically astute the Conservative Party could be in Parliament in 2017 with him as leader. Have you heard Glenn being interviewed. He is sharp as a tack.

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  12. Nick K (1,066 comments) says:

    Yes, he is sharp. But he’s also 72. In 2014 he’ll be 74. I’m not sure an aspiring politican can appeal to the voters for the first time as a 74yr old. But that’s just me.

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  13. Pete George (22,773 comments) says:

    He is sharp as a tack.

    Yes, I expect he’s a lot too sharp to associate himself with Craig.

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  14. arkhad (65 comments) says:

    Don’t know about that Pete, he associated himself with Winston

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  15. Nostalgia-NZ (4,899 comments) says:

    Yes. He is very sharp Chuck.

    Probably right Nick K. Although sharpness in politician’s is a little rare on the ground at the moment in NZ.
    He’d do okay in NZ First as well, particularly with Winston’s powers of speech in particular in apparent decline.
    Overall Owen is his own man and a bit of a maverick who some people seem to patronise for some stupid reason. He has a lot to offer.

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  16. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    Ego driven politics is killing the country because we never get a unified party doing what the people want. Instead they do what they want. The last thing we need is another bloody rich egotistical remuera socialist.

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  17. Chuck Bird (4,668 comments) says:

    “Yes, I expect he’s a lot too sharp to associate himself with Craig.”

    It depends if he wants to get into Parliament or do a Bob Jones. How many MPs have got in as an independent without previously being in Parliament. I cannot remember one.

    The Conservative Party has similar policies to NZF. It might suit Glenn to compete for NZF votes.

    Nick, Glenn is getting old but so is Winston but Glenn does not smoke and I doubt if he drinks anywhere near as much as Winston.

    If neither NZF or the Conservative Party make it into Parliament we will likely have Labour Green and who knows what as a government.

    Which would you prefer a National for Labour led government?

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  18. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    funding badly needed institutions such as a NZ version of factcheck.org

    This is a bit like a turkey wishing for an early xmas, isn’t it?

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  19. alwyn (380 comments) says:

    @Chuck Bird at 1.10pm
    There have been a surprising number of MPs who got in as independents without having been in another party first, at least according to Wikipedia.
    The most successful was probably Harry Atmore who represented Nelson from 1911-1914 and 1919-1946.
    He was an independent every time.

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  20. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    Which would you prefer a National for Labour led government?

    That’s like an executioner asking if you would like filter tipped or roll your owns.

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  21. Chuck Bird (4,668 comments) says:

    “That’s like an executioner asking if you would like filter tipped or roll your owns.”

    Let me put it another way, would be very concerned about a government where the Greens held a lot more power than they did under the Clark government?

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  22. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    Can’t say it worries me as much as it did. National has been business as usual. They have made no attempt for example to clear out the massive far lef beauracracy in departments,such as hrc, spending billions of tax payers dollars to campaign from within against them. So they deserve what they get.

    Worse than that, both liebour and national would rather rule in scam coalitions than to verbalise the simple policies that would allow them to rule in majority.

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  23. Manolo (13,338 comments) says:

    From a policies perspective, Labour lite is not different from socialist Labour.

    Since 2008 we have not seen a serious reform. Yes, National should’ve canned the ETS, overhaul, if not ditch the RMA, abolish WFF, be serious about welfare reform (which they are tinkering with four years later), and reduce expenditure and size of government by dismantling useless commissions and quangos.

    Of course, Key has uttered the eternal excuses: we don’t want to scare the voters, it’s to radical, etc.

    The two parties may have different colours, but share the same nefarious ideas.

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  24. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    … And the greatest policy of them all, the one that can score a lot of votes…equality.

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  25. Manolo (13,338 comments) says:

    The National Party must return to its founding principles, must do away with all the wimps, progressives and (il)liberals that have infiltrated it over the last two decades (the fifth-columnist Nick Smith is the worst example), and return to true conservative roots. Nothing less will do.

    Or continue on the current path and seek to merge with Labour.

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  26. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    I agree. What the hell is the use of having a party if it doesn’t even believe in its own principles? At least labour is honest enough so that you know what their plan is – to have everyone living,under the jackboots of the state. Only Answer – unbridled power.

    Bob Mann, the believes that the so called left and right collude to carve up the resources between their own elites.

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  27. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    Another slimey creep. He would be worse than Banks. At least he doesn’t have the same nickname.

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  28. hj (6,343 comments) says:

    MT_Tinman (1,952) Says

    Should be fine then, they don’t come much lower than those who vote left-wing.

    What about the right-wing who champion policies based on population growth (a ponzi scheme)?
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/4622459/Government-policies-blamed-for-house-prices

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  29. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    In the 90s, national gave in to the baby boomers and turned land into an export commodity. In the naughtiest labour pretended we had a pumping economy by allowing everyone to borrow against house price inflation. Why we are boti the situation of Greece is a mystery to everyone.

    Just one example of national and labour colluding and plying good cop bad cop with us, the voters.

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  30. Paulus (2,496 comments) says:

    Love to see Owen Glenn with Wussel Norman – would make great entertainment. Sparks would fly.

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  31. Nick K (1,066 comments) says:

    Which would you prefer a National for Labour led government?

    Any one that doesn’t involve Winston or Red Russell. Both are Communists.

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  32. Redbaiter (7,552 comments) says:

    Chuck you can’t have anyone with any questions concerning their honesty standing with Colin Craig, the media liberals would crucify him and use him to crucify Craig. Strategically, it would be a gift to those bigoted lefties.

    Plus anyone who ever gave money (a businessman especially) to Helen Klark is right off my list. For me, Glenn can never come back from that mistake.

    Manolo- dead right. The National Party must incremenatlly remove those in the party who will not stand for its founding principles and replace it with those who will.

    If they can’t stand by those principles, they’re worthless as a political force.

    “To promote good citizenship and self-reliance; to combat communism and socialism; to maintain freedom of contract; to encourage private enterprise; to safeguard individual rights and the privilege of ownership; to oppose interference by the State in business, and State control of industry”.

    If it was ever in my power I’d start the ball rolling by getting rid of Key. He doesn’t even know those principles exist and he wanted to be PM just for the sake of it. A political clown surrounded by yes men and other various liberal arse lickers who should never have been within a bull’s damn roar of the National Party.

    Over in Hollywood at the moment kissing liberal arse. Fuck those people. If they can’t come here under the current tax regime than they stay away. If they’re due a tax break then so is every other enterprise in NZ. Picking favourites is what Key and Nick Smith and so many other National people like and they’re too fucking ideologically stunted and infested with left wing thought to understand how wrong that is.

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  33. Chuck Bird (4,668 comments) says:

    Nick, the reality is that National has not got a show of governing on its own. I do not accept that Winston is a Communist. He may be populist – even a bigger one than Key but he not a Communist. I agree about Russell along with most of the Greens.

    I agree with Mathew Hooten. The only chance for National to govern will be with Colin or Winston or maybe both.

    I think that is a lot better than Labour with a lot of Greens, Hone, and maybe Winston.

    What configuration would you like that has a realistic chance of happening?

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  34. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    I will vote for anyone who comes out strongly against the treaty bullshit, so far a nose in front is winston. Plus he can’t last forever, so a new leader will emerge if,that party stays strong.

    Voting for far righties with an agenda for wanting to privatise the beaches is not an option.

    One tactic, which makes me puke to have to offer it to national, is to split off a blue Green Party. A lot of green voters are ignorant of the fact it is a Stalinist party in drag, with no green agenda whatsoever. Damage could be done to them with an alternative and a good marketing campaign.

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  35. Chuck Bird (4,668 comments) says:

    “Chuck you can’t have anyone with any questions concerning their honesty standing with Colin Craig”

    The only ones I heard questioning Glenn’s honesty was Winston and Clark. In any case when was lack of honesty an impediment to political success? Can you name the last PM with more integrity than the average used car salesman?

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  36. Johnboy (14,911 comments) says:

    “For my 2c I think Glenn could do more good by promoting good policies for NZ, and funding badly needed institutions such as a NZ version of factcheck.org,”

    I think he should fund fatsheepshagger.org myself! :)

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  37. hj (6,343 comments) says:

    Nick K (315) Says:
    October 7th, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    Which would you prefer a National for Labour led government?

    Any one that doesn’t involve Winston or Red Russell. Both are Communists.
    ……
    NZ First was formed because the other parties were acting in the interests of either vested interests and/or foreigners first.
    http://www.gmi.co.nz/news/514/labours-third-world-solution.aspx

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  38. Nick K (1,066 comments) says:

    Chuck – you cannot talk about Craig and honesty in the same sentence when you consider his blatant dishonesty at the last election with his polling. And it has continued. I would easily prefer him to Winston on honesty, but Craig’s economics leave a lot to be desired. He wants a referendum on virtually every issues (you cannot run a country like that) and thinks government should be running businesses, which is remarkable considering how successful he has been in business.

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  39. BlairM (2,286 comments) says:

    I think Glenn could do more good by …funding badly needed institutions such as a NZ version of factcheck.org,

    WTF?!!!! That is the last thing New Zealand needs – a left wing site pretending to be objective while white-anting anything the Right says and does. Screw that!

    [DPF: Factcheck is not left wing. I've spent years trying to detect bias in its work, and have never seen it. It has critiqued Obama and Biden heaps also. If people tell the truth, they tend to be left alone]

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  40. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    I agree with Blair, even if only becuase a site like that is texgt based and not data based and so is only as good as the people typing in the answers. And we have massive precendent for scamming and bullshitting by the MSM and any pseudo neutral site would be populated by the same dim-witted polytech-indoctrinated bigots as crawl all through our MSM.

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  41. Chuck Bird (4,668 comments) says:

    “you cannot talk about Craig and honesty in the same sentence when you consider his blatant dishonesty at the last election with his polling.”

    Nick, Craig did not lie like Winston but mislead the public and ACT Board with dodgy polls.

    Winston has been caught lying in regards Glenn. Having said that I would rather see him in with National along with Craig than Labour with the Greens as official coalition partner along with Hone.

    National would not allow the things you are concerned about if Craig was a coalition partner but Labour could support the Greens idea of printing money. This is a scary scenario.

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  42. ChardonnayGuy (1,131 comments) says:

    I concur, David. Real Independent MPs do not exist for long in New Zealand politics. Microparty leaders don’t count, they do have some party infrastructure behind them, however weak and vestigial (ie ACT, United Future and the late Progressives). Any “Independents” under MMP tend to be the debris of parties with either weak party leadership or central discipline or strong populist or multipartisan tendencies (eg New Zealand First, the Alliance, United Future and ACT). They’re more likely under electoral systems like the Single Transferable Vote, as in Australia.

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