Jimmy Savile

October 29th, 2012 at 7:00 am by David Farrar

I’ve not blogged on this to date, as the media has been all over it. But the sheer scale of the revelations are worth commenting on.

Saville, or Sir James as he was a Knight Commander of the Order of St Gregory (Papal Knight).  He was also a member of Mensa.

A journalist tweeted that the UK Police has 10 officers investigating his alleged 400 cases of sexual abuse, and over 100 officers investigating journalists for listening to voicemail messages!

He is dead now, but the question is how he got away with it for so long. The Police interviewed him in 2007 oevr allegations, and in 2000 he talked about how some people claim he is a pedophile. A pity his denials did not get investigated. Likewise his defence of Gary Glitter in 2009 should have rung warning bells. He was first investigated back in 1958 it seems!

The first heard of the rumours in 1973, and asked for a report on them. Nothing happened. And of course the canned one of its own programmes in late 2011 that would have reported on the allegations.

There are half a dozen different investigations into Saville, the BBC and the health service (he has access to young patients and often abused them). I suspect in today’s Internet age, he would have been called out much sooner on.

 

 

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78 Responses to “Jimmy Savile”

  1. tvb (4,553 comments) says:

    The BBC is damaged by this. They seem to confuse their editorial independence for independence for everything they do. They think they are above everybody like the medieval church. I find the repeated pictures of Savile chumping a cigar with a lecherous look on his face particularly revolting. His family seem to accept he had this dark side. As for him roaming around a hospital as a voluntary orderly abusing girls, Savile must have thought he was in a treasure trove of lust. Just disgusting!!!

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  2. Liberal Minded Kiwi (1,495 comments) says:

    A papal honour you say? Sexual abuse is par for the course for that lot.

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  3. KiwiGreg (3,278 comments) says:

    ” He was also a member of Mensa.”

    Have you ever met anyone who was a member (and they will all tell you) who wasn’t a complete twat?

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  4. big bruv (14,217 comments) says:

    Did the church honour him for getting away with it for so long?

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  5. MrTips (103 comments) says:

    “Saville, or Sir James as he was a Knight Commander of the Order of St Gregory (Papal Knight).”

    Well, he was Sir James Saville not because of that, but because he was knighted by the Queen in 1990.

    Incidentally, both the British Govt (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19884359) and Catholic Church (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20108980) authorities have indicated they are looking at stripping Saville of any titles he was awarded, although the latter has no official list.

    I’d stick to travel blogging Farrar – it’s just better when you’re out of the country.

    BigBruv: anyone who reads your twaddle deserves a medal. Your work colleagues must be Saints.

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  6. hane (69 comments) says:

    Saville was not a pedophile he was an ephebophile. Learn the difference.

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  7. Akaroa (613 comments) says:

    Yes, it seems incredible, doesn’t it – in this privacy-less age when every other person seems ready to pour out their banal thoughts on Facebook and the like and we’re PC-ed to ridiculous extremes – that J Saville Esq could have remained unexposed – (no pun intended) – until after his death.

    The only explanation I can offer is that it was the Swinging Sixties and Sexy Seventies, folks!! It was the era of Christine Keeler, the Krays, Mr Belcher MP, and a series of other public revelations of the other side of Britain’s national character. Not to mention new found freedoms and the relaxation of previously stifling social norms. After the privations of the Forties and the austerity of the Fifties, Britain and the British seemed to draw breath and say “Right! Time to Party!”

    And party they/we did! Drugs and Sex and Rock-and-Roll in Swinging London just about sums it up!

    In that atmosphere I’m not a bit surprised that J Saville ‘got away with it”. Or, if people really suspected him of sexual misbehaviour there would have been – you can count on it – just a bit of nudge-nudge, wink-wink, and ‘Backs to the wall, here comes Saville!”

    My friends, my dear, dear innocent Kiwi friends – in the UK in those days we lived in a different World!! One that today’s yoof couldn’t possibly imagine. And for all its limitations and – yes – evils, it was a more enjoyable place than the one we are in now!!

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  8. Megatron (190 comments) says:

    Howzabout this then, guyz n galz?

    I see Jimmy Savile’s family have removed his headstone, along with all the flowers growing alongside, out of respect to his victims.
    So, that just leaves a small hole with no bush around it – just what Jimmy would have wanted!

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  9. kowtow (8,938 comments) says:

    Got the Catholic bit in early and the expected responses.

    No surprises there.

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  10. Keeping Stock (9,379 comments) says:

    I’ve also blogged on Savile this morning (for the first time also). The BBC has some serious questions an answer with regard to the canned documentary, and allegations that at least some of the alleged abuse took place on BBC premises.

    And it won’t come as a surprise to anyone that Gary Glitter has been arrested in conjunction with the investigation; but how many other celebrities were caught up in Savile’s apparent double life?

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/10/quote-of-day-29-october-2012.html

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  11. wreck1080 (3,999 comments) says:

    Amazing the BBC protected this guy for so long.

    There is something seriously sick in the BBC culture.

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  12. East Wellington Superhero (1,139 comments) says:

    The transgressions of Jimmy Saville and the BBC (and the transgressions by teachers we’re seeing her in NZ that people knew about but did not act on) do not exonerate the Catholic Church. But this certainly provides some perspective for those that repeat the unconsidered notion that because priests can’t marry they therefore molest kids.

    Will this perspective be borne out in MSM commentary and at cocktail parties in liberal circles. I doubt it.

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  13. David in Chch (523 comments) says:

    Sorry, hane, but I finally tracked down ephebophile. From the Wikipedia dictionary, it states that it relates to ages 15 – 19 years old. According to the reports, Sir Jimmy preferred 12 – 14, and 15 at the oldest.

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  14. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    The priest hood and the church hold them self s to be the true source of all morals
    Hence the disgust that the church and priesthood not only has child abusers within its ranks but aids and abets their perversion
    Even now the church is still trying to hide the true impact and extent of the sickness of paedophilia within its ranks
    Witness the denial of KBs commenters from the catholic church.

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  15. nasska (12,095 comments) says:

    It was bound to happen……the Vatican have infiltrated the BBC.

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  16. BeaB (2,164 comments) says:

    Just shows that what happened in the church didn’t happen in a vacuum. Young people were fair game for everyone who could get away with abuse.

    I am no fan of the current hysteria over paedophilia but if it keeps kids safe then I guess we have to put up with media hype.

    We also have to remember many of the victims were teenagers who often sought out celebrities like pop stars. We did the same in the 60’s even in the tiny NZ puddle. And we all had an uncle or grandfather or brother who stuck his hand up our skirts.

    Far less outrage and prudery in those days but also hardly any protection for kids and women.

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  17. Longknives (4,953 comments) says:

    Megatron- Brilliant!

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  18. ChardonnayGuy (1,231 comments) says:

    As the coparent of a daughter, I am incensed at the BBC’s negligence and concealment tactics over Savile’s serial pedophilia over the years, if not decades. Just like the global Catholic hierarchy, and for identical reasons, they have failed to follow their responsibility of accountability and transparency toward the victims of this evil man’s sexual predation toward vulnerable children. I am appalled and disgusted at their conduct in this matter and I hope retribution is swift.

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  19. Longknives (4,953 comments) says:

    Apparently this is taking its toll on Gary Glitter as well. There are rumours he recently tried to kill himself by drowning in the Ocean- He was rescued from the sea by a fisherman who found him bobbing up and down on a buoy.

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  20. Manolo (14,167 comments) says:

    The bastard caught on camera: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223965/Caught-camera-Jimmy-Savile-gropes-terrified-teenage-girl-presents-Top-Of-The-Pops.html

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  21. ChardonnayGuy (1,231 comments) says:

    Longknives: No great loss. What a shame Glitter was the recipient of misplaced humane and decent behaviour from that fisherman. When it comes to pedophilia, I tend to turn into a raving hardline law and order zealot.

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  22. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    According to one commentator, this has all the makings of a witch-hunt.

    http://www.spiked-online.com/site/article/12973/

    It’s been alleged that Jimmy Savile was a necrophiliac. And the fact he spent time in hospitals visiting sick people has been questioned…how dare a celebrity visit sick people!!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2221922/Jimmy-Savile-necrophiliac-says-colleague-Paul-Gambaccini.ht

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  23. Keeping Stock (9,379 comments) says:

    @ Manolo; that video is simply unbelievable. Savile just keeps on with his patter as his hand wanders to goodness knows where.

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  24. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    The late Richard Webster has discussed witch-hunts and their devastating effect with respect to allegations of sexual abuse.

    http://www.richardwebster.net/howourdemonsfuelwitchhunts.html

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  25. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    From the above link:

    “What turned anxieties about real people into the Great European Witch-hunt was the fact that their existence was overlaid by a demonological fantasy. They were seen as belonging to an evil and highly organised cult whose members flew through the air astride pigs, rams or broomsticks to orgiastic gatherings where they worshipped their master, Satan. Once this powerful fantasy began to grip the minds of learned men, the empirical reality on which it was based became all but irrelevant. Completely innocent men and women could find themselves arraigned and burnt as witches even though they had never attempted to cast a spell or practise ritual magic at all.

    During the last 30 years, because of the depths of our enduring anxieties, we have managed to demonise paedophiles in almost exactly the same way. What makes the fantasy so powerful is precisely the fact that paedophiles exist. There can, or at least there should, be no doubt that child sexual abuse is one of the most serious social problems of our age and that it is more widespread than many people are prepared to accept. But on to this palpable and disturbing reality we too have projected a fantasy.”

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  26. Keeping Stock (9,379 comments) says:

    So are you suggesting that Savile ISN’T a serial abuser of teenaged girls then ross69?

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  27. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    > So are you suggesting that Savile ISN’T a serial abuser of teenaged girls then ross69?

    I don’t know if he abused teenage girls. What I do know is that in the UK – and Richard Webster has written extensively on this topic – there have been a great many false or dubious allegations of abuse, which have had a devastating effect on the wrongly accused and wrongly convicted.

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  28. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    http://www.factuk.org/fact-comments-on-the-jimmy-saville-case/

    There is no doubt that the Sir Jimmy Saville affair is both shocking and disturbing. The truth however is that none of us know whether, or not, the allegations made against him are indeed all true, partly true/untrue or wholly untrue.

    If they are true (in whole or in part) they represent a major betrayal of trust by Sir Jimmy Saville himself and by those who sponsored his activities and failed to protect the vulnerable children and adults that he exploited.

    Unfortunately Jimmy Saville is not here to give his side of the story. If he were, no doubt, the stories which have unfolded in the Press will have had a much different shape to them.

    What concerns us as an organisation dedicated to those who, in the past, have been falsely accused of abuse is that the Press (with a few exceptions) seem to have abandoned principles of fairness when reporting his alleged crimes. They have been able to do so because they cannot be held in contempt of court because Saville cannot be prosecuted posthumously, nor can he be libelled.

    The eagerness of the Press to ‘publish and be dammed’ in a post Leveson era would, (even if later the allegations proved to be justified) rightly, have been curtailed as soon as any lurid headlines appeared to imply guilt.

    Justice is inviolate and cannot simply be turned off just because a person, who happened to be a celebrity, is dead.
    We are therefore entitled to ask what ever happened to the noble principle of innocent until proven guilty?
    We are also entitled to ask why the Press seems not to have …

     remembered recent lessons in other celebrity cases when individuals were accused of abuse but who evidence showed were not guilty.
     acknowledge that claims of celebrity wrongdoing, even if true, are bound to lead to a media frenzy which if not checked, soon leads a press frenzy and moral panic which traps the innocent as well the guilty.

    For these reasons we applaud those reporters who have shown moral and professional courage by challenging the received view of Saville currently articulated by the mainstream press, politicians and/or the general public that you ARE guilty until you can prove your innocence, at least when you are dead.

    ….

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  29. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    Of all the issues you could choose to caution against rushing to judgement, this is the one you choose ross69?

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  30. Keeping Stock (9,379 comments) says:

    @ RightNow – interesting that ross69 pronounced John Key guilty of having lunch with GCSB staff simply on David Shearer’s say-so. That probably says it all :P

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  31. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    What MrTips said re the knighthood is absolutely correct. Savile was not known as Sir James because of the Papal Knighthood, but because he was made a Knight Bachelor of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland in 1990.  Being a Papal Knight does not, as far as I know, allow one to use the title ‘Sir’ in front of one’s name.

    Having said that, I echo what tvb said: This has seriously damaged the BBC. It does the heart good to see them floundering considering the air of smugness that they usually portray, safe in their left wing cocoon.

    Interestingly, a blog post by Damian Thompson at the Telegraph relating to this caught my eye, pointing out that the concept, if not the method, of Savile’s actions were previously supported by at least some on the left, in the 1970s.  This included, by dint of employment, two UK Labour MPs, both former ministers, Harriet Harman and Patricia Hewitt, who were high up in the relevant organisation at the time, although the former was employed after the policy was adopted.

    One of the comments in that thread also points to similar agitation among the German left in the 1970s and 1980s.

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  32. F E Smith (3,307 comments) says:

    Further to the above, Thompson’s original post re the issue is here.

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  33. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    > ross69 pronounced John Key guilty of having lunch with GCSB staff simply on David Shearer’s say-so

    You’re making things up again. God knows how the GCSB relates to Savile but I’m sure you can think of something.

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  34. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    Let’s put a little perspective on ross69, defender of pedophiles:

    ross69 (945) Says:
    October 14th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
    > Shearer accused the GCSB of deliberately deleting data to cover up his story

    Yes, Pete, and various people accused Lance Arnstrong of being involved in a conspiracy of drug taking. What a bunch of nutters!

    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/10/cactus_on_shearer.html#comment-1034485

    Try saying this ross: “…and various people accused Jimmy Saville of being involved in a conspiracy of pedophilia. What a bunch of nutters!”

    I’m not suggesting you’re a pedo ross69, but I wouldn’t let you near my kids. Oh wait, yes I am suggesting you’re a pedo.

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  35. Mark (1,502 comments) says:

    If these allegations are correct, and the evidence seems fairly apparent to anyone who has their eyes open then then we should accept this issue has nothing to do with left or right wing politics or religion. It has to do with a sick perverted bastard who thought it acceptable to molest young girls and women and the gutless perverted pricks who not only knew about it but it appears actively covered it up.

    The police inquiry and the government scrutiny is absolutely necessary if for no other reason to ensure that the type of systemic protection afforded to Saville can never be repeated.

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  36. Tookinator (222 comments) says:

    I met Jimmy several times – he was also at my dinner table, so had dinner each night with him for a week (I used to host the dinner table during my time in entertainments dept. on the QE2.)

    As I was about 26 at the time I guess I was too old for his liking….

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  37. Kea (13,557 comments) says:

    RightNow, I doubt Ross69 is defending pedos.

    He is suggesting judgment is withheld until the facts are known.

    I am sure if it was not a “sex crime” you would not be considering someone guilty simply because they were accused. Your reaction is emotional, not rational.

    How about I “accuse” you of being a pedo? How should people consider you from that point on… Guilty?

    Having said all of that, he probably is as guilty-as-sin. But it is a bit soon to be getting hysterical about things and claiming people with more considered opinions, than your own, are themselves pedos.

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  38. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    Kea, good of you to stick up for your pedo mate, but I’ve made very clear the contradictions with ross69 rushing to judgement in any other situation except this one. Why caution against rushing to judgement now?

    You’re welcome to defend ross69 for whatever reason you see fit. I can only surmise that you too wish to defend pedos.

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  39. Rufus (735 comments) says:

    I dislike the Roman Catholic Church as an institution.

    Having said that, to bring some balance to the conversation, I wonder if the RC Church haters would please hate male teachers and men generally just as much as they hate the priests.

    The rate of child abuse is similar across these groups, but the RC priests seem to cop all the flak.

    Just as today it’s the worst thing to be a Nazi, but the Communists get a free pass with most (it simply hasn’t been tried perfectly yet…).

    Oh, and I expect endless abusive jokes aimed at the BBC from Big Bruv from now on.

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  40. lastmanstanding (1,310 comments) says:

    But it gets worse. There is also an investigation underway that a former UK PM was involved in a pedophile ring that included other MPs and senior civil servants.No names no pack drill but the said PM was a yachtie of some note. Word has it that the Police at the time did start an investigation but like the Saville/BBC thing they were told to shut it down. Nothing to see here Move on and all that.
    Having lived in the UK in the 70s as others have said it would have been easy for the BBC to hush up and shut down anything. No facebook no twitter. All news came from either the Times or Telegraph or Observer if you were posh or News of the World or the Sun (page 3) if you werent and BBC and ITV. That was it.
    And the toffs all belonged to gentlemens clubs that ensured an member who spoke out of turn was thrown out.

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  41. Kea (13,557 comments) says:

    I hereby accuse RightNow of being a pedo !!!

    You sick pervert RightNow. How could you do that shit to kids ?

    Note: You have no defence and evidence is not required. Your marked for life. It will follow you to the grave.

    ————————————————–

    CASE CLOSED

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  42. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    > How about I “accuse” you of being a pedo?

    Well, quite. Is RightNow going to admit to being a paedophile or try to deny it? According to RightNow, any accusation is proof of guilt, so by his own logic he must be guilty.

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  43. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    > You sick pervert RightNow.

    Let’s just lock him up and throw away the key…

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  44. Rufus (735 comments) says:

    Kea – I dislike your display of your much valued “common decency”.

    It’s not very decent.

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  45. Kea (13,557 comments) says:

    Ross69, the sort of sicko who does stuff like that will never admit to the terrible harm of his offending.

    He lacks any remorse and is at a high risk of re-offending.

    I suggest preventive detention.

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  46. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    Lol, the Pedo Defence League accuse me. Irony abounds.

    Still no explanation of why ross69 chooses this case to caution against a rush to judgement, when previously he’s been among the first to shout ‘guilty’.

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  47. Kea (13,557 comments) says:

    Rufus is clearly a pedo too.

    No doubt part of the same pedo ring…

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  48. Reid (16,686 comments) says:

    He is suggesting judgment is withheld until the facts are known.

    Well we won’t have long to wait because they are currently drawing up arrest strategies for the living persons they wish to charge. I understand there are three or is it four? hundred separate complaints many against other people still living.

    Re: that video where he gropes a girl during a show, how could one possibly become so arrogant and confident he’d not be caught to do it in full public view like that.

    It’s going to be interesting to see the profiles of the people they arrest.

    RightNow, I doubt Ross69 is defending pedos.

    It occurs to me that would be a great topic in a snap-debate competition. Imagine: the topic is: paedophilia, good or bad? Who wants the pro and who wants the con?

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  49. Kea (13,557 comments) says:

    Reid is a pedo too.

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  50. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    > It’s going to be interesting to see the profiles of the people they arrest.

    It’d be more interesting to see the evidence, but I suspect the evidence is unimportant to some.

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  51. Kea (13,557 comments) says:

    I reckon he is guilty Ross, but to go labelling people “pedos” who simply respect the legal process and reasonable fairness, is just absurd.

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  52. nasska (12,095 comments) says:

    Rufus

    Your call for equal condemnation for male teachers & men generally is probably doomed to die a quiet & lonely death. Although teachers, both male & female, are normally loathsome, socialistic, unionised creatures neither they in particular nor the male gender in general are involved in setting absolute moral standards nor instilling fairy tales about supernatural beings into simple minds.

    Those who preach about holiness & idealism can hardly expect not to be held to higher standards than their lowly flock.

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  53. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    Marxist proletarian firebrand Brendan O’Neill, who ross69 linked to earlier (in another piece calling the investigations a ‘witch-hunt’), certainly seems to want all this scrutiny of Savile to go away.
    http://brendanoneill.co.uk/
    “What a high price we are paying just so the media and others can get a kick from the Savile scandal. There are probably people out there who were abused by Savile but who refuse to allow that fact to determine who they are, and who have thus resisted the rather sordid invitation to tell a slobbering nation and handwringing commentators all about it. I have great admiration for those people.”

    I favour the approach of investigating fully as it seems likely there are many more involved that are not only still alive but likely still actively committing crimes against children.

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  54. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    ross69 “It’d be more interesting to see the evidence, but I suspect the evidence is unimportant to some.”

    Like a tape of John Key addressing GCSB? For your position not to be hypocritical you must have seen that tape before making your accusations (all available for recall on this very blog), right?

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  55. RRM (10,099 comments) says:

    I love a good trial by media. Always the best kind.

    Hang on, doesn’t the news media make its money by writing stories with exciting-sounding headlines, so that people will buy their print copies, and click on their web pages, and in the process also view the advertisements that they carry?

    I’m sure somebody told me that’s how it works…

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  56. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Megatron – absolute gold

    Longknives- very good

    Lets be honest, Savile will have bought silence from oodles of these kids and families, that will come out , but I can’t see the point the mans dead .

    Abit like

    Reporter: Will Monty Python reform

    John Cleese: Absolutely, a new Tv series and many films, as soon as Graham Chapman rises from the dead.

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  57. Rufus (735 comments) says:

    Nasska – I can see what you’re saying, but I respectfully disagree.

    Teachers do hold positions of authority over children who look up to them. Much like priests.

    They abuse that authority and take advantage of unsuspecting kids. Like the priests.

    Teachers also teach (and some preach!)

    A lot of what they teach kids is “morals” in the form of “acceptable behaviour”. Sounds like idealism to me. See the “classroom rules and desired behaviours” style posters up in the average classroom these days.

    Not that much different methinks.

    (I realise that balance is the last thing BB and his ilk are interested in. Just thought I’d throw it out there.)

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  58. nasska (12,095 comments) says:

    Rufus

    …”They abuse that authority and take advantage of unsuspecting kids. Like the priests.”…..

    Okay, you’ve won me over…..I’ll concede that the teachers are fairly sus….just leave the male gender in general out of it.

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  59. Kea (13,557 comments) says:

    I favour the approach of investigating fully as it seems likely there are many more involved that are not only still alive but likely still actively committing crimes against children.

    I agree RightNow.

    This is one of the reasons I oppose being “guilty by accusation” following a trial by media. If you do that, then there is no need for investigating the matter further.

    I suspect he is guilty and investigation and prosecution of other people will result. But the proper process must be followed to ensure some measure of justice.

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  60. Rufus (735 comments) says:

    nasska – deal :)

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  61. Kimble (3,955 comments) says:

    At least he wasnt a gay person wanting to get married!

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  62. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    > Like a tape of John Key addressing GCSB?

    No, like the false information he gave to Parliament which he had to correct…but I think we’ve established you’re OK with a deceitful and untrustworthy PM.

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  63. Kimble (3,955 comments) says:

    Huh?

    So you have a problem with someone admitting an error?

    Or is it that you belong to the Labour school which maintains that representatives should always lie to avoid admitting a mistake?

    So just as the honest politician is one who will STAY bought, you think the trustworthy politician is the one who never updates the record with the truth?

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  64. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    > Like a tape of John Key addressing GCSB?

    No

    So you’ve accepted that David Shearer made it up.

    but I think we’ve established you’re OK with a deceitful and untrustworthy PM.

    Not at all, I stopped being a Labour voter for that exact reason. With the current left in NZ I predict it will be a long time before I deem any party on NZ’s left to be more honest than those on the right. Until then I’ll remain RightNow.

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  65. BananaLama (5 comments) says:

    IF Jimmy Savile is found to be guilty they should dig up his corpse and hang it imo followed by some good old boys at the BBC.

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  66. BigFish (132 comments) says:

    It really is horrible seeing that clip of him taking away while groping that girl in the link above.
    Find it detestable that an organisation can get caught up in the idea of someone’s “star” power to that point.
    Can’t understand why he was even on youth TV. From this distance he just looks like an old weirdo.

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  67. nasska (12,095 comments) says:

    After reading some of the media reports I have a better understanding of the whole affair.
    A man with a strange mother fixation who never married or even had a long term relationship.
    A man with mad, staring eyes who dressed outlandishly and gabbled incoherently, often repeating the same phrases over and over.
    A man who was seen to repeatedly coax young girls into situations where he could be alone with them.

    No wonder he got away with it for decades….. he just slipped under the radar.

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  68. Nookin (3,560 comments) says:

    “No, like the false information he gave to Parliament which he had to correct…but I think we’ve established you’re OK with a deceitful and untrustworthy PM.”

    I don’t think we have established that at all. All that we have established is the presence of a thoroughly hypocritical blogger who refuses to judge Saville without evidence but is content to malign any right-wing polly — whether it be Bennett or Key — on the flimsiest of evidence coupled with ingrained bigotry. I cannot recall you saying anything about Shearer’s integrity following the missing video saga, Ross69? Surely inventing evidence to establish a personal attack is deceitful and untrustworth? As is inventing a roof painter?

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  69. MT_Tinman (3,315 comments) says:

    Mr Saville died an old(ish?) man and only after he died and was (is) unable to defend himself have these allegations emerged.

    I neither know nor care whether the allegations are correct but something stinks here, not the least the trial-by-slime.

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  70. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    If you don’t care if the allegations are correct then what are your moral grounds for saying something stinks?

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  71. tristanb (1,127 comments) says:

    Why are Kea, Tinman and ross defending this old dead paedo? (Jimmy Saville previously defended what Gary Glitter did.)

    A trial is the standard of proof required for a government to punish someone for a crime.

    We don’t all require that standard of proof. The guy obviously did it – there’s enough evidence for a layperson to make that conclusion pretty definitively – we’re allowed to form our own opinion, it’s more reliable than the court’s. If you relied on courts to make up your mind about things, you’d be as stupid as a committee of out-of-touch commonsenseless judges.

    Celebrities back then (and now) use their fame to hurt others and escape conviction. In the US there’s R Kelly (pissing on a 13 year old girl) and Roman Polanski (drugging and sodomising a young girl). We’ve had Nick Eynon (now called Nick Piper) writing love letters to a young teenage girl. We’ve had [name suppressed] shove his penis is girl’s face in Wgtn, and [name suppressed] molesting his daughter while drunk.

    Hopefully some more of these arrogant celebrities get their comeuppance.

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  72. MH (830 comments) says:

    Talk about a Savile Row.

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  73. OneTrack (3,358 comments) says:

    They do realise Saville is dead, don’t they?

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  74. Kevin (960 comments) says:

    I think they’ve had the trial anyway. Anyone know where we can read the verdict?

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  75. Reid (16,686 comments) says:

    Are you suggesting the 3-400 allegations are all untrue? Normally if it’s just a dirty old man it may be what do you say, around a dozen, but 3-400?

    Savile is the tip of an extremely nasty iceberg. Haven’t you understood that the iceberg is what this is about? It’s not about some dead guy. No. Der.

    Crikey.

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  76. FrankPJ (3 comments) says:

    As the UK clamps down on paedophiles, and revokes their awards (Jimmy Savile’s knighthood), sadly New Zealand moves in the opposite direction. Last Friday, St John ambulance decided to make awards to two known paedophiles in New Zealand. The awards are to be presented by the Governor General in November. http://bit.ly/ourNZexperience

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  77. Kevin (960 comments) says:

    Yeah all those 60s rockers that bonked their groupies will be shitting themselves.

    Some of it may be true but, Seriously, it’s the 3-400 that makes this reek like a dog turd.

    Also the strategy of turning on the BBC. The first rule of compensation is “its always the fault of the people with the deepest pockets”.

    But after some hysteria it will all die down and the deals will be done behind closed doors and the only looser will be the British taxpayer who, unknowingly, makes it all go away….

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  78. ChardonnayGuy (1,231 comments) says:

    It’s also one thing to talk about moral panics, but quite another to accuse any concern about child sexual abuse as being motivated by moral panic and anti-religious or ‘misandrist’ malice. For one thing, there’s the case of the UK Cleveland child sexual abuse inquiry, where two conscientious and hardworking pediatricians were pilloried and attacked by a conservative Catholic Labour MP with SPUC affiliations and a hate on for feminist professional intervention against child sexual abuse, one Stuart Bell. In that context, the consultant pediatricians were vindicated and their diagnostic techniques passed muster. I’m afraid that I consider the behaviour of the male backlash lobby to be quite sinister in this regard. In the name of their pathological hatred for the women’s movement and feminist professionals, they risk being useful idiots for pedos. Thank goodness that bunch of misfits is so tiny and insignificant these days.

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