Jones v Greens

October 3rd, 2012 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

Isaac Davidson at NZ Herald reports:

A spoof of a Sealord advertisement has brought an angry reaction from Labour MP , who has accused the environmental group as anti-worker and duplicitous towards Maori.

Mr Jones, a former Sealord chairman, also singled out the Green Party, “the political wing of the Greenpeace movement”, for its support of the stunt, which he felt undermined the company in a tough economic climate.

The do seem to be against a lot of jobs. Against mining jobs. Against oil jobs. Against fishing jobs. Against roading jobs.

Mr Jones said it was “a step too far” and the equivalent of economic vandalism at a time when jobs were scarce.

“When the Green Party and the Green Priests [Greenpeace] take on a role of using that ad to humiliate, trash and parody not only the brand of the company but its workers, it’s a step too far.”

Imagine the fun we’ll have if we have a Labour/Green Government in 2014!

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26 Responses to “Jones v Greens”

  1. kowtow (7,932 comments) says:

    I reckon the Sealord ad is a spoof. eh bro?

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  2. MarkF (100 comments) says:

    “Imagine the fun we’ll have if we have a Labour/Green Government in 2014!”

    FUN – I can think of a lot of other more appropriate words!

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  3. Alan Johnstone (1,081 comments) says:

    Shane Jones is correct (yeah, I know I feel strange writing that)

    If Labour wants to win, it needs votes in the centre, attacking the Greens is a good way to do that.

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  4. speters (108 comments) says:

    I hardly think parodying an ad to highlight (arguably) unethical fishing practices is equivalent to economic vandalism.

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  5. loonybonkersmad (27 comments) says:

    “Imagine the fun we’ll have if we have a Labour/Green Government in 2014!”

    Yep, and we’ll all have the opportunity to watch it in action given that the Government are going down the toilet …

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  6. Pete George (23,310 comments) says:

    It’s a challenging situation for Labour. They desperately want to differentiate themselves from Greens and to be seen as a more moderate centerish party, but to do that they have to attack the party who’s support they desperately need to get the numbers to govern.

    National has it’s own future coalition challenges but at least they still aren’t too far off getting the numbers they need on their own.

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  7. RRM (9,639 comments) says:

    The Greens do seem to be against a lot of jobs. Against mining jobs. Against oil jobs. Against fishing jobs. Against roading jobs.

    They are against industries and projects that they believe are bad for the environment.

    As you might expect from an environmentalist party…? :neutral: Yeah…??

    Before you continue smearing the whole environmental movement suggesting everything they do is bad for the country, remind us about your trips to Great Barrier DPF…?

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  8. Barnsley Bill (982 comments) says:

    Give spanky a break. He is under a lot of pressure. Last week he had a spray at northland because he missed out on a cushy board position. This week he is having to defend a major donor and next week he might be facing serious corruption charges.

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  9. Philonz (91 comments) says:

    So let me get this straight. According to the interwebs and angry MPs: the Greens and Greenpeace are the same organisation, labour and the Unions are exactly the same and National and every large business in the country (except that Tindall fella cos he’s a socialist) is the same. Righto.

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  10. KiwiGreg (3,212 comments) says:

    They dont like dairying either.

    However, their unspecified plans for bringing the population of New Zealand down to a “sustainable” level may solve the resulting unemployment problem….

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  11. bc (1,352 comments) says:

    Nothing much to see here folks.
    Shane Jones received a donation from Sealords. He’s just huffing and puffing to justify the donation and keep Sealords happy.

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  12. kowtow (7,932 comments) says:

    rrm and the environment

    The greens are essentially anti people. In the modern world human beings are a danger to the environment.it’s only good if there are very few of us living off our home grown veges (and other weed) with mud huts , thatched roof and composting toilet.

    The only real use that people are to the green movement is as voters and donors.Once in power I would be genuinely fearful of what policies they would introduce.

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  13. Yoza (1,671 comments) says:

    “Imagine the fun we’ll have if we have a Labour/Green Government in 2014!”

    I can imagine the whining.

    speters (60) Says:
    October 3rd, 2012 at 12:13 pm

    “I hardly think parodying an ad to highlight (arguably) unethical fishing practices is equivalent to economic vandalism.”

    This is Kiwiblog, Greenpeace highlighting unethical fishing practices is one step away from the institution of gulags and re-education camps. Where have you been?

    The planet on which these nutters live defies all physical laws. It does not matter how much toxic shit we pour into the environment; there will always be room for more. Similarly, it does not matter how much fish are hoovered out of the ocean; through some inexplicable process the heavily decimated fish stocks will continue to replenish themselves to a level which will allow their sustainable commercial harvest. Atlantic cod anyone?

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  14. Paulus (2,559 comments) says:

    Labour will not get power “at any cost” without Greenpeace.
    They can demand any terms they want as Labour cannot, like National, have enough seats to go alone.
    Remember the German Grunen Party invented MMP after WW2 – here it has taken 20 years almost to attain that power which they can now see. No wonder they are laughing as nobody can touch them.
    The Greenpeace will demand as a way to let Labour attain power almost everything such as, a few items
    No Coal, No Oil, No Fishing, no Fracking, no Fucking, no Cows, no Sheep, no Rainwater, No GCSB, No SIS, No Police.
    Anything which moves will be stopped.
    Taxpayers money to pay for whatever they want and to subsidize Greenpeace International and left wing movements.
    Legislation to assert the power of the left so that we will never be able to see a middle ground party again – they will not care except in their own wisdom.
    Actually it is frightening. Labour and Winston should be very afraid like the rest of us.

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  15. emmess (1,396 comments) says:

    They are against industries and projects that they believe are bad for the environment.

    Except when those businesses that they believe are bad for the environment do go under because they are unprofitable they then want to subsidize them.

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  16. XavierG (76 comments) says:

    Being against industrial and agricultural practices which damage long term economic prospects – emptying the oceans, destroying rivers with effluent, removing every mineral you can from the earth, building as many roads as you can (despite woefully inadequate benefit cost ratios) is hardly economic vandalism. The Greens are playing the long game, and yes, are quite happy to point out where short term employment gains will ultimately lead to permanent employment loss. Jones is playing the race card without any real substance; it’s intellectually shallow, but one probably can’t expect much more from him.

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  17. Alan Johnstone (1,081 comments) says:

    “Labour will not get power “at any cost” without Greenpeace.”

    Except for every Labour administration, ever.

    The high green party share in 2011 isn’t structural, if was just a reflection of a very weak labour campaign. i’d expect their vote to half next time out.

    More importantly, the Greens, like ACT, have no where else to go; They can’t make threats and demand concessions on the basis that they’d put a right wing administration into power. Labour can simply stare them down and tell them to go for it, in the full knowledge that bringing down a labour administration would kill the greens.

    Labour can safely give them a public kicking from time to time at no cost, indeed it’s probably good politics to do so.

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  18. KevinH (1,152 comments) says:

    Labour MP Shane Jones looks as though he will be out the door in the reshffle, therefore his comments about the Greens can be seen in the context of “who gives a toss”.
    The Greens have been building their support election on election and have demonstrated more than ever a genuine hunger to get around the cabinet table and would under any coalition arrangement be in a pre emminent position to call the shots. They will have the numbers and Labour would have to kiss ass this time around if they want in.

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  19. Alan Johnstone (1,081 comments) says:

    “They will have the numbers and Labour would have to kiss ass this time around if they want in.”

    Let’s assume the greens maintain their current vote share; even so i’d expect labour to out number them 3 to 1.

    Any Labour leader would simply say, “or what?” to the greens demands.

    The greens would only have three choices.

    A) Knuckle under and take it
    B) Support a national administration
    C) Force another election.

    B isn’t really on as it’s a betrayal of their voters, C would carry a heavy political price as they were punished by the voters, A is the only real choice.

    I’m sure some minor concessions would be given, but the idea that the dog wags the tail is fanciful. Arithmetic simply doesn’t support it

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  20. Nostalgia-NZ (5,039 comments) says:

    It may well be unrelated, however I thought that John Tamahere re-joining the Labour party and now this from Jones may not only be Labour wanting to distinguish it’s identity but accepting that traditional support has got some dirt under it’s fingernails, doesn’t applaud all things gay or green – and that JT and Jones share a voice not too far off mainstream. They could be making worse mistakes than looking to connect with the middle ground. Tough times breed conservatism, and even if one argues the two are not actually that conservative – one shocking Helen by referring to women in an unusual way, and the other an avid self lover, that separates them from a lot of other boring people when a country might want a change of mood and not a stifling straitjacket of musical chairs and who forgot what.

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  21. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Will be a National/NZF govt in 2014. Labour will never get back in

    Eventually the Nat/Lab coalition will be gone

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  22. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    Well, if anyone is qualified as an expert on badly-dubbed videos, it has to be the Honourable Shane Jones.

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  23. ChardonnayGuy (1,183 comments) says:

    One might say the same about the prospects of a National/Conservative coalition. Especially given Mr Craig’s Vicar-of-Wakefield pirouettes when it comes to asset sales and whatever his ‘policy’ on them is this month…

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  24. Tom Jackson (2,504 comments) says:

    Well, I’m against concentration camp jobs. I guess I’m anti worker.

    “Shane Jones received a donation from Sealords. He’s just huffing and puffing”

    So he found someone else to pay for his porn habit.

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  25. RF (1,343 comments) says:

    The good old Greens. My image of them is someone who has BO and does not use deodorant walking off to their composting toilet in the bush. A party that prefers to keep us in the dark ages.

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  26. southtop (262 comments) says:

    Shane Jones to take over the leadership of NZFirst?

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