More on a minimum wage is just a minimum

October 23rd, 2012 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

Here’s a pop quiz for you all. What percentage of 16 and 17 year olds who are in employment, are currently earning more than the ?

Guess to the nearest 10%.

UPDATE: The answer is 79% or roughly 80%. So only 20% of 16 and 17 year olds are in minimum wage jobs.

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22 Responses to “More on a minimum wage is just a minimum”

  1. davidp (3,580 comments) says:

    Is there a prize? If so, I guess 70%. If there isn’t a prize then I can’t be bothered responding.

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  2. meh (165 comments) says:

    I’m gonna say <10% so, 10%

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  3. Joel Rowan (99 comments) says:

    At least half. 60%?

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  4. Mark (496 comments) says:

    80%

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  5. dave (988 comments) says:

    90%. supplementary questions: what proportion of this 90% are earning more than $5/hr above the minimum wage. And of these 90%, how many are working at least 20 hours a week?

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  6. Kimble (4,434 comments) says:

    Easy game, 40%.

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  7. Graeme Edgeler (3,283 comments) says:

    100%

    (why not, it hadn’t gone yet :-)

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  8. Graeme Edgeler (3,283 comments) says:

    p.s. you may need to define minimum wage – what is the minimum wage of someone in their first 200 hours of employment? If there are a bunch of people on the adult minimum wage who could be being paid the starting out wage, do they count as earning more than the minimum wage?

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  9. calendar girl (1,216 comments) says:

    50%

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  10. jgw739 (26 comments) says:

    I’d hazard a guess at around 20% – since the scrapping of youth rates I would expect this figure to fall as I for one would rather hire an adult with life/work experience on minimum wage over someone who has probably decided to leave school early for the same cost.

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  11. dime (9,869 comments) says:

    60%.

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  12. Viking2 (11,420 comments) says:

    No one has said this either. None to 10%

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  13. meh (165 comments) says:

    viking2 that’s pretty much what I said!

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  14. Graeme Edgeler (3,283 comments) says:

    meh – you said 5%-15% (i.e. 10% to the nearest 10%), Viking2 is covering off the 0%-5% no-one else has yet said :-)

    Now all we need is someone to say 30% and DPF can tell us who won the trip the Vietnam.

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  15. Boglio (78 comments) says:

    Looks like 30% is left for me

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  16. David Farrar (1,890 comments) says:

    My understanding is it is 79% or roughly 80%. For Graeme’s classification almost no one uses the current new entrants wage so this is about being paid over the adult minimum wage.

    So when people go on about how the new starting out wage will impact 16 and 17 year olds, remember that 80% of them are not even in minimum wage jobs.

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  17. insider (1,028 comments) says:

    be nice to know where you got that understanding from. David Shearer understands that there was a video made of a GCSB talk by the PM. Is your understanding similar to the other David’s?

    [DPF: Treasury. I'm sure there is a document somewhere that refers to it]

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  18. Lee C (4,516 comments) says:

    Is this like saying the age of consent is sixteen, but fear not, only a small percentage of over-fifties have sex with sixteen-years olds so people who are worried about sexual exploitation of the young are just over-reacting, because it’s legal after all.

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  19. RightNow (6,988 comments) says:

    There’s that 20% tail again. But I’m sure there’s no correlation between the 20% not being paid more than the adult minimum wage and the 20% not achieving basic literacy and numeracy.

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  20. Dirty Rat (383 comments) says:

    I assume that it is the 13.50 ?, I also assume that it should be 100%

    Book the same question in for next year

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  21. questions (198 comments) says:

    What percentage of 16-17 year olds are on more than $1/hr more than the minimum wage?

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  22. Dazzaman (1,138 comments) says:

    Ahhh, so most of their employers can give out more (most more than likely not more than a dollar or two above that) than the minimum….no need for the crackpot, manifestly unjust starting out wage then…straight to minimum or just above, as is currently happening.

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