The big bird saga

October 11th, 2012 at 4:00 pm by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

In an embarrassment for Democrats, the creators of Big Bird ask the Obama campaign to scrap an anti-Romney ad featuring the popular TV children’s character.

Obama’s team had used Big Bird to attack Romney for vowing during the debate to cut funding for public television, but is now considering the request to pull the ad.

I think the Democrats are nuts for focusing on Big Bird. The US has a deficit in the hundreds of billions, and they are dying in a ditch over funding for a TV show that is in fact so commercially successful, it would do fine without a subsidy.

However, his supporters have grown increasingly distraught in recent days as Obama has largely stayed out of the public eye after his lackluster debate performance.

‘‘I’ve never seen a candidate self-destruct for no external reason this late in a campaign before,’’ pundit Andrew Sullivan wrote in The Daily Beast.

The polls have just got very tight. Huff Post reports

It is worth noting that the electoral college is what counts, not the popular vote. But of course they are linked. Will be a fascinating four weeks.

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82 Responses to “The big bird saga”

  1. metcalph (1,359 comments) says:

    Things have come to a pretty pass for Obama when an inferred threat to kill Big Bird doesn’t get described by the media as another Romney Gaffe.

    I watched the first debate in full last sunday. Contrary to what people are saying, Obama wasn’t all that bad by himself. But he was clearly and comprehesively beaten by Romney in both style and substance.

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  2. kowtow (7,581 comments) says:

    I have a vague recollection this has come up in previous US presidential elections. Republicans want to cut back on public spending(PBS),get accused of attacking Sesame Street.

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  3. Graeme Edgeler (3,262 comments) says:

    Documentary Producer Ken Burns recently wrote about this, including a discussion he had with President Reagan:

    In the middle of filming The Civil War in the late 1980s, I had the good fortune to meet with President Reagan in the White House. When I told him I was a PBS producer working on a series about the Civil War, his eyes lit up. He told me stories of seeing the old Union veterans marching down the center of Dixon, Ill., on the Fourth of July when he was a boy.

    Then he asked me how it was funded. I said I received funding from the National Endowment for the Humanities (something else Romney has vowed to eliminate) and the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, which distributes this funding. Those funds had, in turn, brought in corporate and foundation monies.

    Reagan put both hands on my shoulder and said, “That’s it! We need public-private partnerships. The government primes the pump, and then the private sector has the motivation to get involved. Good work! I can’t wait to see the finished film.”

    He later wrote me a kind note about how much the series meant to him.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2012/10/09/ken-burns-romneys-war-on-public-tv-is-a-loss-for-usa/1623125/

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  4. Ed Snack (1,733 comments) says:

    Graeme, did you read how the foundation now has well over 100 million of cash reserves and makes large sums of money by licensing toys based on the characters ? They need public funding because…? Because taxpayers always get gouged ? Starting with public/private maybe, does it have to continue for EVER ?

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  5. tom hunter (4,367 comments) says:

    Obama has largely stayed out of the public eye after his lackluster debate performance.

    Not just Obama, but Hillary Clinton and even Jay Carney, the Administration’s Press Secretary, the latter vanishing for a week – until yesterday, when the reason for absence became clear with one question from Jake Tapper, who is pretty much the only WH reporter acting like – a reporter:

    TAPPER: President Obama, shortly after the attack told “60 Minutes” that regarding Mitt Romney’s response to the attacks, specifically in Egypt, the president said that Romney has a tendency to “shoot first and aim later.”

    Given the fact that so much was made out of the video that apparently had absolutely nothing to do with the attack in Benghazi, that there wasn’t even a protest outside the Benghazi post, didn’t President Obama shoot first and aim later? …

    Boom!

    The Big Bird thing is really just a reflection of the sad fact that the Obama campaign really does have nothing else to talk about.

    - They’re not really even trying to defend their record any longer on the domestic policy front.
    - From being on the front foot on foreign policy (or at least thinking they were), the Libyan clusterfuck continues to unwind.
    - There’s no mention of an explicit second-term agenda, merely an implication that there will be more of the same.
    - The campaign strategy of turning this election from a referendum on Obama to a choice between Obama and Romney, plus painting an extremely negative image of Romney, just blew up in their face during the first debate – and in front of 70 million people no less.

    It could be argued that even the last gambit was screwed up by a supposedly smart, slick campaign – in that making your opponent look like the devil incarnate is always going to be hostage to the bland, treaclely result of smiling on TV with a nice voice and a pleasant manner. In short, the dumb bastards on the Obama campaign set a bar that Romney could easily clear in a debate away from MSM editing and Obama’s advertising. It’s rather like screaming one’s guts out in 1980 about Reagan nuking the world. All he had to do stuff that image was talk nicely about arms control talks – along with a nice voice and pleasant manner!

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  6. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    “Documentary Producer Ken Burns recently wrote about this”

    I would not take some movie producer with a vested interest in supporting government funding as being capable of relating exactly what Reagan may have said to him on the issue (do you have said letter?) I’m prepared to concede he may have said it, partly because the problem of media bias was comparatively embryonic back then.

    Now its different.

    All such publicly funded institutions have been taken over by the left, who use that funding to promote left wing propaganda.

    If you need an example just look at TV One and Radio NZ. Once they were quite impartial and objective in their reporting. But not any more.

    The media business from schooling and training as far as almost every newspaper office and every TV and radio office in the west has been infiltrated by the new breed of reporter, those mush brained sponges indoctrinated with the view that they have a responsibility to change the world and make it fairer and greener.

    In many cases they do not even know they have been brainwashed and are projecting Marxist claptrap.

    That is the problem, and leaving aside the equally important argument as to whether government should be involved in the industry at all, political bias is the other main reason why all government funding for culturally Marxist broadcasting and entertainment and so called news outlets has to be terminated.

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  7. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    Funny ain’t it, that everyone is talking about Big Bird when a scandal potentially more damaging than Watergate has been uncovered in Hillary Clinton’s state dept, and it turns out that in the aftermath of the Libyan embassy attack, Mitt Romney was the only one speaking truth.

    An event he was widely criticised for at the time, including on this blog and Whaleoil.

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  8. TheContrarian (1,073 comments) says:

    “Obama has largely stayed out of the public eye after his lackluster debate performance.”

    He has done several large rallies since the debate.

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  9. tom hunter (4,367 comments) says:

    The government primes the pump, and then the private sector has the motivation to get involved.

    With Big Bird and his pals having earned $211 million from the sale of toys and other consumer products between 2003 and 2006 alone, I think the need for government pump priming in this area are long gone.

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  10. Fairfacts Media (371 comments) says:

    It is a worry the polls are so close, especially now Romney is leading.
    Romney needs a convincing lead to account for the Democratic voter fraud.
    This being one of the latest examples.
    http://www.therightscoop.com/project-veritas-dnc-staffer-assists-double-voting-in-support-of-obama/

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  11. iMP (2,231 comments) says:

    Obama is in melt down. I predict within 3 days Romney will lead him by 5 points and Ohio will swing Repub. The momentum will build and Romney will beat Obama convincingly. The Libya hearings will kill Obama (wait for the attack ads on those peeps).

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  12. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    RE PBS in the US – its great stuff.

    Sadly all our public broadcasters can do is make revisionist films on New Zealand colonial history, docudramas about criminal families and news footage of dopeheads and beneficiaries asking for more money.

    Cutting their umbilical cord is long overdue….

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  13. Lindsay Addie (1,129 comments) says:

    I agree with Redbaiter that Obama and friends are in real trouble over this Libyan affair. Carney today at the press conference was unconvincing and weak. Romney has now got plenty of ammo for the foreign affairs debate. Obama and Hillary have botched this badly.

    This isn’t over yet but there are definite signs that Romney is starting to get into a very strong position. There are so many states now in play that weren’t a factor 10 days ago. This is filtering through to some of the Senate races where the GOP must be in with a chance to win that as well. The wheels haven’t fallen off the Obama campaign yet but the wheel alignment is way off and they’re starting to wobble.

    The RCP map is now starting to get interesting:
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html

    As for that Big Bird ad DPF mentioned, its simply the dopiest political ad I’ve ever seen.

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  14. Reid (15,912 comments) says:

    Look for Obama to make a comeback in the 2nd debate.

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  15. Lindsay Addie (1,129 comments) says:

    Reid,

    Great pic, thanks for the laugh!

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  16. tom hunter (4,367 comments) says:

    This isn’t over yet …

    Quite, which needs to be kept in mind when our host decides to include this quote:

    ‘‘I’ve never seen a candidate self-destruct for no external reason this late in a campaign before,’’ pundit Andrew Sullivan wrote in The Daily Beast

    Andrew Sullivan? He’s hysterical when winning and hysterical when losing. Reading his whole piece from which that quote is taken, is to feel like being trapped in a room with someone suffering a nervous breakdown. A completely overwrought, lightweight piece of analysis.
    I can certainly enjoy the spectacle of such an Obama-lovin’ loon melting down, but Obama must be glad he’s not on the campaign team. There’s a long way to go in this campaign and if Barry knows how to do anything it’s campaign in front of large rallies.

    Having said that it’s indicative of Barry’s world view and judgement that he apparently reads Sullivan regularly. Perhaps that piece will cure him of the habit.

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  17. BlairM (2,286 comments) says:

    I calculate the race to be 270-268 in Romney’s favour at this point in time, and that’s with him still losing Nevada, Colorado, Iowa, Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Rasmussen has him only six points behind in Conneticutt. Think about that.

    With scandal erupting over the Benghazi affair, the best the Commiecrats can do is talk about Big Bird and pretend Romney is flip flopping on abortion. If they continue like this, then Romney will win.

    Going unnoticed however are the Senate races. GOP candidates look to be in real trouble in various places, for a variety of reasons. The Republicans could win the battle but lose the war.

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  18. tom hunter (4,367 comments) says:

    It looks like the RNC is having fun with the whole thing as well with the following graphic: 8 mentions of Big Bird, 0 mentions of Libya

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  19. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    I think the Democrats are nuts for focusing on Big Bird

    I suppose you would say that. The sentence is an object lesson in how to spin Romney’s gift to the Democrats. romney is finding that ridicule is a fine art, even if he does present an admittedly very big target.

    The US has a deficit in the hundreds of billions

    Indeed. 1200 billions to be more precise. Looks like Romney’s and Ryan’s mathematics fail has spread a long way.

    they are dying in a ditch over funding for a TV show that is in fact so commercially successful, it would do fine without a subsidy.

    Hang on, cutting Big Bird’s funding was Romney’s line as a path to cutting the deficit. Like ~150 million (~450 million if you include the whole public broadcasting sector) is going to make a huge dent in that? That’s what Romney’s dying in a ditch for? While the rest of the world laughs?

    I hear Big Bird may now be placed on the Endangered Species List, so I suppose we can chalk that up as a win for Romney?

    The polls have just got very tight

    Obama is still the overwhelming favourite, and especially telling is that he is still leading in Ohio. No win Ohio, no win Romney.

    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/

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  20. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    indicative of Barry’s world view

    Nice one, Tom (I’m not racist) H.

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  21. Reid (15,912 comments) says:

    If Obama’s not a muslim, how come he wears a “wedding” ring inscribed with the first part Shadah “There is no God but Allah?”

    And how come he wore it before he married Michelle?

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/obamas-ring-there-is-no-god-but-allah/

    So let’s get this straight, shall we.

    Obama may or may not be a muslim, but he sure has a problem with Israel, doesn’t he.

    Michelle may or may not be a beard

    Obama may or may not be gay.

    Obama’s long form birth certificate may or may not be fake (won’t bother with links).

    Obama’s political background is extremely suspect, given he came from nowhere and his links to mysterious Chicago supporters virtually unknown amongst the chattering classes.

    But the MSM never investigates. That would be bad. Imagine. A US President who’s a Muslim (clearly not a good Muslim, I thought homosexuality was frowned on) but nevertheless, a Muslim.

    But Romney. Crikey. You think he’ll be any better? Why? He’s going to start WWIII. Or is that OK, with you guys?

    Point is, both sides are bad. Despite overwhelming evidence in flaming letters a million feet high, many seem not to notice.

    Astounding.

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  22. tom hunter (4,367 comments) says:

    Nice one, Tom (I’m not racist) H.

    It’s raaaaaacisst Luc.

    The extra letters strengthen the assertion.

    By the way – his worldview is your worldview, except his is tempered by reality.

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  23. Manolo (13,315 comments) says:

    I disagree, Reid: I would choose Romney over Obama a million times.
    The Messiah has shown his incompetence for four years. Time to swap him with someone with business experience.

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  24. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Reid, Obama has attacked more Muslim countries than any other American president. The one thing all those countries have in common is that they are considered hostile to Israels interests.

    If he is indeed a Muslim, then I suggest to you that he is having a serious crisis of faith !

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  25. Reid (15,912 comments) says:

    Manolo I understand your perspective and all things being equal I’d agree with you. But all things aren’t equal. For example do you seriously think Bush 43 enacted conservative values once he’d been elected on a platform of doing so? Ron Paul stands for conservative values but did Bush enact those? No, of course not.

    It’s not the face you need to look at it’s the people behind the face and when you look at those people you see malevolence personified, all the way, on both sides.

    Unfortunately it seems the weight of the office as an institution has given people the impression that the modern President will be like a Jefferson, a Washington or a Lincoln but none of the ones in my lifetime have ever approached a semblance of being like that. They’re all masks. To quote a few verses from the great Billy Joel song:

    Well, we all have a face that we hide away forever
    And we take them out and show ourselves when everyone has gone.
    Some are satin, some are steel,
    Some are silk and some are leather.
    They’re the faces of a stranger,
    But we’d love to try them on.

    Well, we all fall in love,
    But we disregard the danger,
    Though we share so many secrets,
    There are some we never tell.
    Why were you so surprised that you never saw the stranger?
    Did you ever let your lover see the stranger in yourself?

    Once I used to believe I was such a great romancer.
    Then I came home to a woman that I could not recognize.
    When I pressed her for a reason,
    She refused to even answer.
    It was then I felt the stranger kick me right between the eyes.

    And getting kicked right between the eyes has been the experience of the US voter for a bloody long time, hasn’t it.

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  26. Reid (15,912 comments) says:

    Reid, Obama has attacked more Muslim countries than any other American president. The one thing all those countries have in common is that they are considered hostile to Israels interests.

    If he is indeed a Muslim, then I suggest to you that he is having a serious crisis of faith !

    Like I said Kea, he’s clearly not a particularly good Muslim if he’s gay, which IMO he is. Too much evidence. Remember his “body man” for example? But nevertheless, which Muslim countries has he attacked, versus sustained the attack that was already in progress when he took office? Secondly, just because he’s a Muslim doesn’t mean he’s going to do everything favourable to Muslims and why would you think that he would? I mean what? He’s going to appear on CNN and announce a complete withdrawal of support to Israel? Unlike in Tom Clancy novels, real life means the POTUS does not have unlimited power. He also has backers to keep happy and to pay off. This is real-politiks, not a boy’s-own adventure.

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  27. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    Yes And to experience of the New Zealand voter.

    Basically in a nutshell, we spent the last 500 years taking,power away from our elite born to rule lords and masters. We have spent the last 50 years hand it all back to them – the new political elite.

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  28. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    But nevertheless, which Muslim countries has he attacked,…

    Libya, Egypt, Pakistan… oh just google it Reid.

    A better question may be which Muslim countries has he not been bombing.

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  29. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Reid, here is a link to get started on what a war monger Obama is http://stpeteforpeace.org/obama.html

    He is far worse that Bush ever was in this regard. The only difference is the media treatment of Obama.

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  30. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Drones at work in Sudan, Yemen, Pakistan, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iran…Kiwiblog…oh, sorry, mixing my drones.

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  31. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Luc Hansen, the infuriating thing for me is how the media refuse to publish the facts about Obama. He is exempt from the degree of scrutiny that other presidents have been subject to. This is empowering him to continue on in this fashion, without the controls of a watchful media and the democratic process.

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  32. flipper (3,533 comments) says:

    It is the trend that matters.
    Obama can do no more than run on hope. He cannot run on his record. From all points, it is abysmal.

    DPF, you are in error: According to Rasmussen Romney now leads in 11 “swing” states. Perhaps…. well may be.

    But what is clear is that Obamination has one hell of a fight on his hands. Tomorrow (Ryan v Biden) will be interesting.
    Obama CANNOT reverse the current perception that he is little more than the “King of the teleprompter”.

    For the last 3.75 years Obamination has hid behind “Mr President”. He has never, ever, had to answer questions without bullkshit/spin. At this stage, Romney by heaps – unless the debate rules are changed so that Obamination can use a teleprompter, with Romney submitting his points in advance.

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  33. TheContrarian (1,073 comments) says:

    Obama is not a Muslim. Nor is he a communist. He was born in United States and his name isn’t Barry.
    Disagreeing with his politics makes him none of the above.

    Lay off the WND.

    “He is exempt from the degree of scrutiny that other presidents have been subject to.”

    Such as?

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  34. flipper (3,533 comments) says:

    GAME, SET AND MATCH ????

    The New York Times……

    October 9, 2012
    Barry Trails Off . . .
    By MAUREEN DOWD
    President Obama likes to be alone.
    When he speaks at rallies, he doesn’t want the stage cluttered with other officeholders. When he rides in his limo, he isn’t prone to give local pols a lift. He wants to feel that he doesn’t owe his ascension to anyone else — not a rich daddy, not a spouse or father who was president, not even those who helped at pivotal moments. He believes he could do any job in his White House or campaign, from speechwriter to policy director, better than those holding the jobs.
    So Obama knows that he alone is responsible for his unfathomable retreat into his own head while 70 million people watched. He hadn’t been nailing it in debate prep either, taking a break to visit the Hoover Dam, and worried aides knew his head wasn’t in it. When the president realized what a dud he was, he apologized to flummoxed and irritated advisers.
    Once during the 2008 campaign, reading about all the cataclysms jolting the economy and the world, Obama joked to an adviser: “Maybe I should throw the game.” This time, he actually threw the game. And shaved points right off his poll ratings. The president is good at analyzing the psychology of other world leaders, and he wrote an acclaimed memoir about his long, lonely odyssey of self-discovery. But he doesn’t always do a good job at analyzing his own psychology to avoid self-destructive patterns.
    David Maraniss, who wrote biographies of Bill Clinton and Obama, said that both men had recurring themes. Clinton would plant “the seeds of his own undoing” and then “find a way to recover.” Obama’s personality, Maraniss said, was shaped by his desire to avoid traps created by his unusual family and geographical backgrounds, and the trap of race in America.
    “It helped explain his caution, his tendency to hold back and survey life like a chessboard, looking for where he might get checkmated,” Maraniss wrote in “Barack Obama: The Story,” adding that it also made Obama seek to transcend confrontation.
    While Mitt Romney did a great job of conjuring a less off-putting and hard-right Romney, Obama walked into a trap of his own devising.
    It was a perfect psychological storm for the president. He performs better when his back is against the wall; he has some subconscious need to put himself in challenging positions. That makes it hard for him to surf success and intensity; he just suddenly runs out of gas and stops fighting, leaving revved up supporters confused and deflated. “That’s just his rhythm,” said one adviser.
    Because Obama doesn’t relish confrontation, he often fails to pin his opponents on the mat the first time he gets the chance; instead, perversely, he pulls back and allows foes to gain oxygen. It happened with Hillary in New Hampshire and Texas and with Republicans in the health care and debt-ceiling debates. Just as Obama let the Tea Party inflate in the summer of 2009, spreading a phony narrative about “death panels,” now he has let Romney inflate and spread a phony narrative about moderation and tax math.
    Even though Obama was urged not to show his pompous side, he arrived at the podium cloaked in layers of disdain; a disdain for debates, which he regards as shams, a venue, as the Carter White House adviser Gerry Rafshoon puts it, where “people prefer a good liar to a bad performer.”
    Obama feels: Seriously? After all he did mopping up Republican chaos, does he really have to spend weeks practicing a canned zinger? Should the man who killed Osama bin Laden and personally reviews drone strikes have to put on a show of macho swagger?
    Plus, he’s filled with disdain for Romney, seeing him as the ultimate slick boardroom guy born on third base trying to peddle money-making deals. Surely everyone sees through this con man?
    Just as Poppy Bush didn’t try as hard as he should have because he assumed voters would reject Slick Willie, Obama lapsed into not trying because he assumed voters would reject Cayman Mitt.
    The president averted his eyes as glittering opportunities passed, even when Romney sent a lob his way with a reference to his accountant.
    Obama has been coddled by Valerie Jarrett, the adviser who sat next to Michelle at the debate, instead of the more politically strategic choice of local pols and their spouses. Jarrett believes that everyone must woo the prodigy who deigns to guide us, not the other way around.
    At a fund-raising concert in San Francisco Monday night, the president mocked Romney’s star turn, saying “what was being presented wasn’t leadership; that’s salesmanship.”
    It is that distaste for salesmanship that caused Obama not to sell or even explain health care and economic policies; and it is that distaste that caused him not to sell himself and his policies at the debate. His latest fund-raising plea is marked “URGENT.” But in refusing to muster his will and energy, and urgently sell his vision, he underscores his own lapses in leadership and undermines arguments for four more years.”

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  35. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Contrarian, you have to be joking !

    Surely any reasonable person can see the incredible pro Obama bias in the media.

    How about front page stories attributing every death to “Obama’s war on terror”. Even if the deaths were the result of rival Muslims factions fighting. Where are the journalists picking through thousands of frames of film to find an unflattering shot of Obama and comparing the expression to an Ape with accompanying photo? How about reporting it around the world as international news if Obama makes a spelling mistake, or other silly error (He has made many) to highlight what an idiot Obama is.

    I doubt anything I say to you will change your view. You did not use reason and good intent to form your ideas, so those things will not change your position.

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  36. TheContrarian (1,073 comments) says:

    “Surely any reasonable person can see the incredible pro Obama bias in the media”

    I never mentioned the media. What relevance does this have to my comment?

    None.

    “I doubt anything I say to you will change your view.”

    Which view is that? I’m not an Obama fan if that’s what you meant.

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  37. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Contrarian, I was talking about the media and you asked for examples of the bias I was commenting on. I provided a few broad examples off the top of my head.

    Good to hear your not an Obama fan, I have huge reservations about both candidates myself.

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  38. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    flipper do you honestly expect any intelligent person to be swayed by that craven nonsense you posted, attempting to excuse away Obama’s miserable performance.?

    He did poorly because the man lacks substance. Accept it and move on.

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  39. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    It would be an interesting meeting if Shearer became prime minister and Romney was president.

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  40. TheContrarian (1,073 comments) says:

    “you asked for examples of the bias I was commenting on”

    Errrr, where did I do that? I never asked for examples of bias nor did I mention bias.

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  41. Reid (15,912 comments) says:

    Reid: But nevertheless, which Muslim countries has he attacked,…

    Kea: Libya, Egypt, Pakistan… oh just google it Reid.

    Clap clap clap. You’re the first person I know of Kea (I’m sure there are others) who has admitted on this blog the US was behind those. I agree. And you forgot Syria.

    But this is my point Kea. Like I said, the POTUS is beholden to forces beyond him. Just cos he’s POTUS doesn’t mean he sets policy. Look what they did to Kennedy. No. They don’t. Anyone who thinks they do, doesn’t understand the power structures as they exist.

    Secondly, step outside your apparently stereotypical view of what [you think] a Muslim might think and bear in mind that Obama is many things in addition to being a Muslim. It’s simply one facet of him as a person. There are many other facets as well, such as the facet who has screwed the economy and the facet who has enacted much worse anti-American legislation than Bush ever did: e.g. the NDAA. If you only wish to discuss the Muslim aspect of Obama’s actions, you’re missing the big picture.

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  42. Nostalgia-NZ (4,896 comments) says:

    Interesting character analysis there The Contrarian.

    If it’s correct as it may well be, Obama comes injured off the canvass now or soon after. Though I doubt it can be overlooked that he also may have under estimated Romney, or indeed drawn him deeper into a trap.

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  43. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    It appears we agree on many points Reid.

    I do not have a “stereotypical” view of Muslims. In fact I sort of thought I was calling you to task on that point.

    I doubt Obama is a Muslim and as an atheist I could not care less anyway. He is comfortable around Muslims due to his life experiences, just as I am.

    What concerns me are his actions, not what informs his spiritual beliefs. I am more concerned about the other guy when it comes to religion.

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  44. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    TheContrarian, The point I was making is clear enough. You are nit picking and playing with words. If you have a point, please just state it…

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  45. TheContrarian (1,073 comments) says:

    “The point I was making is clear enough. You are nit picking and playing with words. If you have a point, please just state it…”

    What scrutiny has Obama not been subjected to the other presidents have?

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  46. Reid (15,912 comments) says:

    What they really said in the debate and the MSM just covered it up:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlwilbVYvUg

    Those bastards!

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  47. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Is the scroll button stuffed on your computer thingy Contrarian?

    I will refrain from lecturing you on the perils of posting while drinking…

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  48. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    The politician’s national anthem
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HxpWpgcUp1U

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  49. TheContrarian (1,073 comments) says:

    No, I am asking you directly, Kea.

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  50. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    oh for gods sake!

    Kea (169) Says:
    October 11th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
    Contrarian, you have to be joking !

    Surely any reasonable person can see the incredible pro Obama bias in the media.

    How about front page stories attributing every death to “Obama’s war on terror”. Even if the deaths were the result of rival Muslims factions fighting. Where are the journalists picking through thousands of frames of film to find an unflattering shot of Obama and comparing the expression to an Ape with accompanying photo? How about reporting it around the world as international news if Obama makes a spelling mistake, or other silly error (He has made many) to highlight what an idiot Obama is.

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  51. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    “What scrutiny has Obama not been subjected to the other presidents have?”

    Really, if this question is a measure of your knowledge of Barack Hussein Obama then you should not even be commenting here.

    George Bush for example even had his dental records subpoenaed yet not one detail on Obama’s background has ever been verified by the liberal media.

    Throughout Obama’s background, there are sealed records, scrubbed websites, altered documents, faked photographs, deception and unanswered questions.

    How would the media have reacted if John McCain or George Bush had blocked access to his school, medical, and birth records? It would have been headlines in their case, but as with everything else concerning Obama, the media has given him a pass on this.

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  52. Falafulu Fisi (2,176 comments) says:

    Luc Hansen…

    Nice one, Tom (I’m not racist) H.

    I’m not Luc. Would you feel comfortable living (or perhaps buying a property) in Otara? If not then why not, if you say that you’re not racist? I noted that you live on the shore? Why not South Auck Luc?

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  53. TheContrarian (1,073 comments) says:

    Ummm, you seem to be confused Kea so I’ll ask again…

    “What scrutiny has Obama not been subjected to the other presidents have?”

    Your repetition of a previous comment says nothing.

    “Throughout Obama’s background, there are sealed records, scrubbed websites, altered documents, faked photographs, deception and unanswered questions.”

    OK, where? Prove it. Which photo’s have been faked for example?

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  54. Fletch (5,994 comments) says:

    Representative Trey Gowdy explodes at Libya hearing – “I want to know why we were lied to” by the Obama Administration.
    Good for him: It’s about time someone got angry and demanded answers.

    Hillary Clinton should be brought before these people and asked why she lied as well.

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  55. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Course McCain and GB senior had histories to be proud of Red unlike the present incumbent!

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  56. Nostalgia-NZ (4,896 comments) says:

    Redbaiter

    ‘George Bush for example even had his dental records subpoenaed’

    Heck.

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  57. dc (173 comments) says:

    They’re focusing on Big Bird and PBS because it’s virtually the only concrete spending cut Romney has identified, the rest is all airy-fairy handwaving about “loopholes and deductions”. Romney is saying he’s going to cut taxes and raise military spending while reining in the deficit, but how?

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  58. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    Same as national, break the promises.

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  59. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    I can not believe that people have the shameless audacity to deny the pro Obama media bias Redbaiter.

    I remember on the night he was elected a gushing hysterical American television presenter was expressing how wonderful it all was that Obama was in. The kiwi media guy asked why? She stumpled stuttered and could not come up with anything in reply. The kiwi media man just moved on to sharing the joy, to show how enlightened and liberal he is. I am still waiting for an answer on that one.

    The majority of Obama supporters are unable to tell you why they support him. The media has created the myth that to support Obama is to appear enlightened and progressive.

    Because he is black (or white, depending on what half you look at. BTW its his white mother who’s ancestors were American slaves. Look it up for yourselves)

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  60. Lindsay Addie (1,129 comments) says:

    Re the Libya fiasco which is quickly swallowing the Obama administration this interview from CNN by Piers Morgan with DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz is rather revealing especially this exchange:

    MORGAN: “It is pretty un-American to be putting out completely false statements before you know the facts. Isn’t it?”

    WASSERMAN SCHULTZ: “Piers, it is not okay for you to be saying that the administration was putting out completely false statements. They put out information that they had at the time based on the intelligence they were given…”

    MORGAN: “That turned out to be completely wrong–”

    WASSERMAN SCHULTZ: “Well, that doesn’t mean it was false.”

    MORGAN: “What?”

    Really!!

    The video is here:
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/dnc-chair-obama-admin-putting-out-wrong-information-libya-doesnt-mean-it-was-false_654167.html

    If that’s the best the DEM’s can come up with on this issue then they’re dog tucker.

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  61. TheContrarian (1,073 comments) says:

    Where’s Mitt Romney’s long form Birth Certificate?

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  62. Falafulu Fisi (2,176 comments) says:

    DC…

    Romney is saying he’s going to cut taxes and raise military spending

    Philosophical question for you. What is the moral justification for the existence of a (any) government in the first place?

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  63. Nookin (3,033 comments) says:

    “Philosophical question for you. What is the moral justification for the existence of a (any) government in the first place?”

    People? Imagine a society without any direction.

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  64. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Nookin, are you saying you look to the government for “direction” in your life ?

    Tell me it is not so !

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  65. Reid (15,912 comments) says:

    Where’s Mitt Romney’s long form Birth Certificate?

    We don’t need it TC. You see, Romney doesn’t look as if he’s Indonesian, so that’s OK, as far as that goes, anyway.

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  66. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    Lets face it Obama’s the novelty that’s worn off. He was a very poor second choice when Colin Powell turned the job down.

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  67. Redbaiter (7,522 comments) says:

    “I can not believe that people have the shameless audacity to deny the pro Obama media bias Redbaiter.”

    The Contrarian is just an attention seeking troll. Some ignorant wet nursed 14 year old with a desktop in his bedroom.

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  68. Nookin (3,033 comments) says:

    Kea
    Not me. But you imagine 5000 on an island. What would get done?

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  69. TheContrarian (1,073 comments) says:

    “Some ignorant wet nursed 14 year old with a desktop in his bedroom.”

    Its a laptop but the rest is true.

    “I can not believe that people have the shameless audacity to deny the pro Obama media bias Redbaiter. ”

    yeah, I never did that. But whatever gibberish you wanna make up is fine

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  70. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Romney doesn’t look as if he’s Indonesian, so that’s OK, as far as that goes, anyway.

    Obama does not look at all Indonesian Reid. It is possibly that he does not look White or even like the stereotypical American Black.

    He is a good looking bloke and comes across well. A hard guy not to like. But he is all image and no substance. Just what modern day Americans adore. Its an easy sell.

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  71. TheContrarian (1,073 comments) says:

    “He is a good looking bloke and comes across well. A hard guy not to like. But he is all image and no substance. Just what modern day Americans adore. Its an easy sell.”

    So which scrutinies has he not been subjected that other presidents have?

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  72. Reid (15,912 comments) says:

    Personally I’m thinking Obama’s deliberately throwing the campaign.

    He didn’t have to do what he did in the debate, looking down and letting Romney walk all over him. It wasn’t necessary, Teleprompter or not. Then what he’s done since, which is avoid public scrutiny, is not what a candidate who’s serious about winning does. He didn’t have to do that, either.

    Or maybe it’s just cos he can’t operate without someone else writing his lines.

    Obama does not look at all Indonesian Reid.

    He bloody well does Kea.

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  73. Johnboy (14,876 comments) says:

    “He is a good looking bloke”…. too bloody true!

    I’m surprised he never picked up a leading role in this.

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  74. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    I have had the benefit of visiting Indonesia and have a number of Indonesian friends. It is a very diverse place, but I am not aware of any area where the folk look like Obama.

    I loved Indonesia, made Europe look like a wet weekend in Gore. Its the biggest Muslim country in the world and the security is everywhere. Entering a flashy mall in Jakarta was like boarding an international flight, scanners, handbag searches and so on. Entering the car park the taxi would be checked out with mirrors under the car and checking the boot etc. You don’t even notice it after a while. A hotel, frequented by Europeans, had been bombed a couple of weeks before, near where I was staying, so I guess they were extra careful. I never got to meet any “extreme” Muslims personally. The average Muslim is very embarrassed by that sort of carry on.

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  75. Reid (15,912 comments) says:

    I’m surprised he never picked up a leading role in this.

    I think he did Johnboy. He’s the one who looks puzzled as he pops the top on the can. I’ve seen Indonesians who look like that as well, you see.

    Disclaimer (in light of Kea’s 10:25). Many Indonesians don’t look like Obama and I haven’t been talking about the 200 odd million of them who aren’t him.

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  76. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Many Indonesians don’t look like Obama and I haven’t been talking about the 200 odd million of them who aren’t him.

    LOL :)

    I don’t think he has any Indonesian blood in him. I thought his dad came from Kenya or something. I think he looks more Middle Eastern in a vague sort of way. Speaking of looks, I reckon his missus is hot and would like threesome with her and Sarah Palin :)

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  77. Manolo (13,315 comments) says:

    Plain desperation on the Dems’ part.
    What’s wrong with your taste in women, Kea?

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  78. enjiner (17 comments) says:

    MORGAN: “It is pretty un-American to be putting out completely false statements before you know the facts. Isn’t it?”

    WASSERMAN SCHULTZ: “Piers, it is not okay for you to be saying that the administration was putting out completely false statements. They put out information that they had at the time based on the intelligence they were given…”

    MORGAN: “That turned out to be completely wrong–”

    WASSERMAN SCHULTZ: “Well, that doesn’t mean it was false.”

    I’m no Democrat, but if the Republicans are going to push this line they’re going to end up with a lot of egg on their face. After all, it wasn’t the Dems who started a major war based on “information that they had at the time based on the intelligence they were given” that “turned out to be completely wrong” and then maintained that they were still right.

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  79. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    What’s wrong with your taste in women, Kea?

    My taste in women is just fine Manolo. A line-up of my ex’s would look like a UN convention though :)

    enjiner, you are right. However I invite you to observe the contrasting treatment by the MSM. Bush was torn to bits over his decision. The MSM used this to define his presidency. I do not see that happening with Obama. Why?

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  80. tom hunter (4,367 comments) says:

    … but if the Republicans are going to push this line they’re going to end up with a lot of egg on their face.

    So the party that attacked a GOP administration as “liers” and claimed it would be the most transparent ever is not the one that should end up with a lot of egg on their face now that they’re doing the same?

    That’s a very good – if brazen – spin effort. You should be in politics, though I must admit that in NZ, when Labour screams about the nefarious deeds of some National minister, I pretty much laugh at their “outrage”, based upon the same reasoning.

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  81. tom hunter (4,367 comments) says:

    I invite you to observe the contrasting treatment by the MSM

    That was obvious from the start when the MSM decided, in the hours just after the attack, that the really big issue was the timing of Mitt Romney’s attack on the stupid statement issued by the Cairo embassy. Even more obvious was that days later the number of MSM questions being asked of Obama and the rest of his crowd on the Libya disaster were focused on the issue the administration had chosen to peddle, which was that these were protests against a YouTube video. It’s hardly journalism when you simply ask the questions on the issue that the government wants you to ask about.

    However, the fact that Piers Morgan, of all people, is getting this teed off with the Dems favourite pull-string robot, shows that CNN at least is no longer toeing the line. Perhaps it was one of their reporters finding Ambassador’s Steven’s notebook in the destroyed compound with no US government agency in sight (where was NCIS ????)? Perhaps it’s their huge decline in ratings over the years? Perhaps they’ve finally decided they want a horse race in the election? Perhaps even they’ve finally gagged at the incredible bullshit they’re being asked to swallow by Obama and his team? Perhaps the scales have fallen from their eyes about the brilliant competence and “smart power” of his foreign policy?

    Whatever the reason, CNN at least finally seems to be covering this story the way it should have been covered (and would have been were it a GOP administration) from day one, and even the WaPo and NYT are following now. Mind you, when you’ve got the GOP getting testimonies from State Department security people in Congress like the ones yesterday, even the MSM may have no choice but to deviate from the Administration spin.

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  82. Feanor (40 comments) says:

    “They’re focusing on Big Bird and PBS because it’s virtually the only concrete spending cut Romney has identified, the rest is all airy-fairy handwaving about “loopholes and deductions”. Romney is saying he’s going to cut taxes and raise military spending while reining in the deficit, but how?”

    It’s very revealing how so many commenters on Kiwiblog who claim to be fiscal conservatives ignore the fact that Romney’s announced economic plans of massive tax cuts and massive increases in defense spending with no spending cuts apart from defunding PBS will blow out the deficit again, just like the last Republican president.

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