The Clintons

October 6th, 2012 at 10:00 am by David Farrar

The Herald reports:

The bitter and negative 2012 American presidential election has left few political reputations intact.

Republican challenger Mitt Romney has run a staggering, gaffe-prone campaign, while President Barack Obama is battling a listless economy and a disenchanted Democratic base.

But, through all the attacks ads, missteps and heated controversies, both Bill and have emerged with their reputations and status not only intact but greatly enhanced. In a remarkable development, and 12 years since they vacated the White House, the Clintons have rarely seemed more influential or more relevant.

Rather than slipping away into obscurity, is hitting the campaign trail hard for Obama after his stirring performance at the Democratic convention in Charlotte, North Carolina, overshadowed the President.

During the first debate the words that would most often send the worms upwards were “small businesses”, “jobs” and “Bill Clinton”.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is trotting the globe as America’s top diplomat amid feverish speculation that, whichever of Obama or Romney wins on Tuesday, November 6, she will again run for the White House in 2016. That could make her the first female US President and conceivably extend Clintonian domination of US politics to 2024.

I think she will, if Obama wins. Maybe even if he does not.

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61 Responses to “The Clintons”

  1. Alan Johnstone (1,087 comments) says:

    Former SoSs do not run for elective office.

    Plus she’ll be 70 in 2016.

    She screwed it up in 2008, that was her chance. Never going to happen now.

    Shame really because she’d have done much better than Obama.

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  2. fish_boy (152 comments) says:

    Obama will win a close election, and Hillary Clinton will succeed him because she will be running against yet another looney-tune Tea Party endorse RWNJ. So that’s another 12 years of Democtratic presidents. Meanwhile, the angry, aging white males who make up the Republican Party will spend the entire time waging war on everyone who isn’t like them.

    I am not sure when the demographic tipping point will occur, but sometime between 2020-2030 the Republican party will become permanently unelectable in the United States, the result being either the collapse of that party or the collapse of the union, with the Republicans taking over the bits they can run and calling something else, like, oh, I don’t know – maybe the Confederate States of America. Then they can get back to running a war mongering, racist oligarchy just like the good ‘ol days of Dixie.

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  3. Falafulu Fisi (2,179 comments) says:

    Obama is/was a cocksucker, ie he frequented gay clubs in the early 1990s (reported on the internet). He never ran a business so as to understand of what risk is about. He has no clue of how to run an economy.

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  4. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    Paul Harris of the Observer/ Guardian is not a journalist but a left wing propagandist.

    One would expect a commie rag like the Herald to run his stuff, but it baffles me as to why a site run by someone claiming to be even center right would bother reproducing or highlighting or giving any kind of credibility to the kind of crap that this fuckwit is well known for.

    Example-

    http://jalopnik.com/151467/between-the-lines-the-uk-observers-paul-harris-on-the-decline-of-the-us-auto-industry

    At least if you were going to run with it one would expect some comment on the matter of Harris’s well known far left leanings.

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  5. iMP (2,385 comments) says:

    Yes, but this is largely nostalgia which is very forgiving and glosses over. The clintons have had little scrutiny in 12 years. If Hils runs, she’ll come under the blow torch and you can bet her fellow Nominees will be searching off shore tax free accounts, etc.

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  6. fish_boy (152 comments) says:

    “…Obama is/was a cocksucker, ie he frequented gay clubs in the early 1990s (reported on the internet). He never ran a business so as to understand of what risk is about. He has no clue of how to run an economy…”

    Thank you for so promptly illustrating my point about the lunatics on the lose. The internet, clearly the source of Falafulu Fisi knowledge of everything he holds to be certain. BTW – have you managed to flush Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett out from the hiding place whence they fled to avoid the blow torch of your fact based retorts? Or were you actually just a blow hard howling at moon?

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  7. Fletch (6,387 comments) says:

    Typical Leftist Herald.

    Republican challenger Mitt Romney has run a staggering, gaffe-prone campaign

    What gaffes? You mean the ‘gaffes’ the media manufactured?
    Romney has, in truth, run a very good campaign.

    I think she will, if Obama wins. Maybe even if he does not.

    Hillary ruined whatever chances she had for 2016 by her lying about Libya etc..

    It remains unclear whether President Barack Obama’s lies about attacks on U.S. embassies will cost him re-election. One thing is certain, however: whatever ambitions Secretary of State Hillary Clinton once held to run for president in 2016 have been damaged beyond repair. Obama was literally asleep when the proverbial “3 a.m. call” came, but Clinton–who bears responsibility for embassy security–was asleep on the job for weeks.

    [...]

    Voters care about national security and foreign policy–increasingly so, even though the economy predominates. If she follows through on what many anticipate (despite denials) are her 2016 ambitions, Hillary Clinton will have a tough time convincing Americans she is up to the job. Experience is one thing. Effective experience is another. And Clinton’s tenure as Secretary of State is ending in failure.

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  8. Fletch (6,387 comments) says:

    Some are even calling for Hillary to resign over the Bengazi attacks.

    Washington has debated and compared the responses of President Barack Obama and Mitt Romney to last week’s attacks in Libya, but Ben Stein has his eye on a different politician.

    It’s Secretary of State Hillary Clinton who has to answer for the death of four Americans, including the U.S. ambassador, in Benghazi, he says. And she could start by resigning.

    “I think there’s been a very, very serious breach of decorum by Mrs. Clinton in not offering to resign over failure to protect her diplomats adequately,” Stein, a Republican, told POLITICO. “She’s in charge of the ambassadors, she’s in charge of the foreign service. She absolutely should not have let those people go to Benghazi, which she knew was in a state of extreme unrest, without having adequate protections. That was a very serious mistake that cost several people their lives, and she’s responsible.”

    The State Department did not respond to a request for comment.

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  9. davidp (3,581 comments) says:

    Clinton will be 69 in 2016, which makes her almost as old as McCain was in 2008 and age was certainly an issue then. The idea that she could hold the job for 8 years and retire at the age of 77 isn’t realistic these days when politicians are younger, more telegenic, and expected to have more energy. If you look at NZ PM’s, they tend to be elected in their 40s or early 50s. You have to go back to Walter Nash to find a PM who was elected over the age of 60. That was 1957.

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  10. Cato (1,095 comments) says:

    This is a master-class in the great ignorance of US politics in the NZ media.

    If you only had the Herald to go on, you would have no idea that Hillary is about to be thrown under the bus by the administration for the Embassy attack scandals.

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  11. Sonny Blount (1,782 comments) says:

    Hilary would stand no chance in a general election, even the hapless McCain could have beaten her in 2008.

    She is as much of an empty suit as her boss and has been a terrible Secretary of State although Obama has kept her on a tight leash.

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  12. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,903 comments) says:

    David, Red Fletch and others are right. You really should not be repeating left wing nonsense.

    Hillary Clinton is dead but she ain’t yet been told.

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  13. Barnsley Bill (983 comments) says:

    The Clintons ripped off Stan Lee. For that alone they deserve to be pushed under a bus.

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  14. tom hunter (4,838 comments) says:

    Pssst – DPF – the Herald, even in it’s new tabloid form, is still useless and still dying.

    Utterly pathetic analysis, especially in the wake of the Libya disaster where Hillary is on the hook as much as Obambi.

    Why would I bother reading this when I could go to one of “fish-boy’s” lefty sources and read the same thing. About the best we might draw from the article is a dog-that-did’nt-bark message; that Obama is now being abandoned by the true believers, who are setting their sights on a “new” star for 2016 and beyond, who will somehow leverage the glorious past that was the Clinton 90’s – rather like 2008 when Obama was going to be the new FDR.

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  15. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    A piece written by a Hillary Clinton admirer, of whom there is never a shortage.

    Yes, the same Clinton under whose watch the State Department has been negligent and has failed to protect the lives of American citizens and diplomats. The latest terrorist attack in Benghazi is proof of it. Add to it the requests for increased security from staff (which were denied).

    Shame, not praise, should be heaped on her.

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  16. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    What gaffes? You mean the ‘gaffes’ the media manufactured?

    Quite. Typicial example: Romney’s “gaffe” where he repeated what everyone else in Britian was saying about the olympics.

    The first debate was quite instructive I think. Romney is in a very strong position simply because Obama has failed at almost everything he has tried. Heck, the guy couldn’t even get legislation passed with his party dominating both houses of congress. Yet the media still fawn over him, then are shocked when he withers under the blowtorch of criticism.

    This might be close, but you’d be foolish to predict Obama will win.

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  17. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    Bill Clinton is held in high regard because he was re-elected – not something any other Democrat can say for some time back. In fact the only other alternative model is Carter, and he was dismal.

    But then, people forget that Clinton was impeached – a fate not even Nixon suffered.

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  18. tom hunter (4,838 comments) says:

    Oh and by the way, in the wake of an entire thread devoted to Romney and the 47%, is there any chance we’ll have a thread on the latest documentary bombshell from the Hispanic TV station, Univision, about Operation Fast and Furious – or perhaps on the latest revelations about the incompetence of the Obama administration in Libya (apparently the FBI have finally got to the site, three weeks after CNN did)?

    Or better yet, that juicy speech of Obama’s in 2007, at a time when he had supposedly moved beyond the crude race-baiting of his mentor, Reverend Wright. We could even talk about how that speech was “covered” by the media at the time, with the really juicy bits edited out of their coverage.

    Or will we have to wait for the Herald to report on those first?

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  19. Lindsay Addie (1,512 comments) says:

    Tom Hunter:

    Only if some of DPF’s favorite leftwing US media outlets cover the stories you listed……….

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  20. JC (956 comments) says:

    She’s going nowhere fast after this expose from ABC:

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/email-shows-state-department-rejecting-request-of-security-team-at-us-embassy-in-libya/

    JC

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  21. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    If Romney loses Chris Christie will win in 2016

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  22. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    I think Obama will win 2012, Hillary in 2016.

    I don’t believe Dr Fisi’s claims about Obama’s sexual behaviour.

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  23. Sonny Blount (1,782 comments) says:

    Hamnida (771) Says:
    October 6th, 2012 at 11:48 am
    I think Obama will win 2012, Hillary in 2016.

    The thickest guy in the room has spoken.

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  24. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Sonny – What do you think? My prediction is fairly mainstream.

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  25. Alan Johnstone (1,087 comments) says:

    “But then, people forget that Clinton was impeached – a fate not even Nixon suffered.”

    and acquitted in the process; impeachment is a trial, he was found not guilty.

    Nixon resigned rather than go to trial in the senate, because it was clear he’d lose.

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  26. Alan Johnstone (1,087 comments) says:

    Obama will win in 2012; that’s almost a given at this stage.

    Clinton in 2016 ? Nah, not remotely likely, she’ll be 20 years too old for starters;

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  27. Mark (1,488 comments) says:

    Falafulu Fisi (2,038) Says:
    October 6th, 2012 at 10:12 am
    Obama is/was a cocksucker, ie he frequented gay clubs in the early 1990s (reported on the internet). He never ran a business so as to understand of what risk is about. He has no clue of how to run an economy.

    (reported on the internet) such in depth research . So you have to run a business to understand risk now? really??

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  28. Sonny Blount (1,782 comments) says:

    Nobody serious is predicting Hilary in 2016, those are just people who don’t know enough to have a better idea.

    I think Romney will win but Obama is certainly a good possibility.

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  29. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    and acquitted in the process; impeachment is a trial, he was found not guilty.

    Nixon resigned rather than go to trial in the senate, because it was clear he’d lose.

    Nixon had the integrity to know when his time was up.

    Clinton admitted his crime live on CNN, and was still found not guilty. That doesn’t exonerate him, that merely tars those who let him off!

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  30. scrubone (3,099 comments) says:

    Romney did put his foot in it with the NPR comment, but only because people forget that Sesame St makes massive money of stuff like Tickle Me Elmo.

    He could come out and suggest that NPR should be the one subsidising the US goverment :)

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  31. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Isn’t it revealing how many NZers drool about Obama, the man without substance?

    Let me ask KB readers who would you vote for if you were a US citizen? I know I’d choose Romney, as DPF would vote for President Obama.

    Who would be your candidate of choice?

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  32. dime (9,972 comments) says:

    whale oil is smitten with Obama too.

    its just weird. Obama seems like an ok guy. just misguided as fuck!

    a bit like RRM :D

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  33. Lindsay Addie (1,512 comments) says:

    AFAIK anyone who has the hots for Obama is a closet socialist who believes in big spending govt. That includes certain bloggers.

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  34. Feanor (38 comments) says:

    The third post really shows off what a great place the Kiwiblog comments are.

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  35. MH (753 comments) says:

    Hilliary will not be crowned Queen of America.

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  36. Brian Smaller (4,023 comments) says:

    Mind you, the US seems to have a thing about dynastic politics. Why they don’t just have a monarchy I will never know.

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  37. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    I think she will, if Obama wins. Maybe even if he does not.

    A typically succinct and useful contribution from DPF.

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  38. grumpyoldhori (2,362 comments) says:

    Brian Smaller they do have one, Ford pardoned Nixon before he could be bought up on criminal charges and tossed in the lockup.

    But I wonder if dubya has fucked it for Jeb Bush running in 2016.

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  39. Viking2 (11,470 comments) says:

    Obama fundraising scandal about to break?
    Posted on October 6, 2012 by KG

    ‘..According to the Washington Examiner, “a taxpayer watchdog group conducted a nine-month investigation” and uncovered “thousands of cases of credit card solicitations and donations” to the Obama campaign. Many of those donations have allegedly come from overseas and may be in violation of federal election laws…’
    Breitbart
    For this alone, long ago, the creep should have been led out of the WH is handcuffs.

    http://falfn.com/CrusaderRabbit/?p=14895

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  40. Viking2 (11,470 comments) says:

    KS Just for u to ponder on.

    http://screencast.com/t/rgjkU0ds6LZm

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  41. PaulL (5,981 comments) says:

    Obama probably this time. Romney hasn’t run a good campaign, although I think he’d be a great president. Chris Christie next time, Hilary will be a female John McCain.

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  42. East Wellington Superhero (1,151 comments) says:

    @ everyone

    I don’t think DPF actually believes what he says above, or actually believes the NZ Herald/Guardian is any good.

    He posts these types of things so that Left and Right alike will read his blog (which is income for him) and comment here (which helps with ‘customer’ retention). It has less to do with quality of information, and more to do with Blog hits. He wouldn’t get Left-wing/urban liberal readership if he just posted Telegraph and NBR articles.

    Which I should add, he’s totally entitled to do.

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  43. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    You have to admit that for an old, jaded hag, Hillary has a great ass. Only if you are a big ass man of course.

    Bill was obviously more of a “Treat me nice and I’ll give you a cigar” sort of bloke! :)

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  44. Don the Kiwi (1,751 comments) says:

    A friend of mine who lives in Philadelphia told me in 2007 that Obama was an empty suit – and all Obama has done since then is convince most sane people that to call him that was over-valuing him.

    He’s a gone coon – Romney’s campaign up till now has not ben that inspiring, but he has gained hugely from the first debate, and will continue to push O’bumbler into the hole he’s digging for himself.

    Romney will be a two term president, and then one of Marco Rubio, Paul Ryan or Chris Christie will follow with two terms. The Dems are toast, as they were under Jimmeh Carter – O’bumbler has followed Carter’s socialst lead and dropped the US into deep shit, and will emulate Carter into oblivion.

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  45. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    Are you saying Obama is just a token nigger then Don?

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  46. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    I always had expectations that that role would be filled by Colin Powell! :)

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  47. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    At least we can prove he was born in Harlem! :)

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  48. Don the Kiwi (1,751 comments) says:

    The three best black men in th US who will match any whitey are Alan West, Thomas Sowell and Herman Cain. Another up and comer is Bobby Jindal (Indian )

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  49. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    Is Bobby a fast bowler or a spinner then Don? :)

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  50. Don the Kiwi (1,751 comments) says:

    He’s a soccer player – his name gives it away (Jandal) :-)

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  51. Reid (16,448 comments) says:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1993819/posts

    Hillary, few realise, is in the same mould (sp. intentional) as Hulun.

    Except worse. Much, much worse.

    I know that’s almost impossible to believe. But do some research.

    http://www.contendingfortruth.com/wp-content/uploads/Hillary-Clinton-Doris-Duke-Illuminati-Grande-Dames.pdf

    http://www.dcdave.com/article5/070729.htm

    etc.

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  52. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    “Hillary, few realise, is in the same mould (sp. intentional) as Hulun.”

    But she has a more shapely, if large, arse Reid. :)

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  53. Reid (16,448 comments) says:

    I venture to suggest Johnboy that thinking too much about either Hulun’s or Hillary’s arses might lead one into territory where someone much wiser than you or I once said: “fools rush in where angels fear to tread.”

    But having said that, it’s fucking huge, isn’t it. I’m not sure the US electorate could possibly tolerate it. Although looking at the electorate’s arses, one might wonder if in fact it’s considered normal.

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  54. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    Big bums do it for me Reid! :)

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  55. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    Wooly or otherwise! :)

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  56. Manolo (13,767 comments) says:

    Are you saying Obama is just a token nigger then …?

    Yes, and born in faraway Kenya. :D

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  57. DJP6-25 (1,387 comments) says:

    Don the Kiwi 5:14. I agree. Any of them would make excellent presidents or whatever. You can also bet your life the liberal media wouldn’t ceaselessly prattle on about the first ‘African-American’ / ‘Indian-American’ president or whatever. That only happens if you have a D after your name. Whatever other cabinet appointments he makes; I hope Romney appoints an attorney General half as good as Bobby Kennedy.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  58. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    i would estimate that a huge percentage of New Zealanders would vote Democrat/Obama if they could
    vote in the 6/11 US elections.

    Just goes to show what a fucked up nanny state loving bunch of sheeple we have become. Sickening.

    Notice how Herr Helen and Barry Obama both try the same sick act.
    Dole out free money, use immigration, pander to unions, etc, to create a critical mass of voters dependent on the state.

    Had Helen not been defeated by Key she would have succeeded and we would have had a Labour led Govt
    for the forseeable future.

    These cynical socialists don’t give a shit if they fuck their countries as long as they retain power.

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  59. BlairM (2,339 comments) says:

    I think Clinton will be too old to run in 2016, and this Benghazi scandal is damaging to her. Yes, she will be the same age as Reagan in 1980, but I’m not sure a woman can pull that off.

    Current Rasmussen polling shows the race as being Obama 271, Romney 267, with Romney only 1 point behind in Ohio. Contrary to whatever the Slaters of this world want you to think, Romney has several paths to victory from that. If he wins Ohio, he can afford to lose Colorado and New Hampshire, and still win. If he loses Ohio, he just needs a pickup of either Nevada or Wisconsin to be President.

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  60. alwyn (424 comments) says:

    In response to Alan Johnstone, the first comment.
    A quick look shows six former Secretaries of State who became President.
    They were a long time ago but they did all run and win
    ThomasJefferson
    James Madison
    James Monroe
    John Quincy Adams
    Martin van Buren
    James Buchanan
    About the only recent one I can think of who contended for the Presidency after he was SOS would be Alexander Haig who tried for the nomination in 1988. There were, of course, a number who became SOS after they tried for the Presidency.

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  61. Alan Johnstone (1,087 comments) says:

    Interesting point about the six SoS that became president. None of them after the civil war, it spells the end of domestic political life. Also its worth noting that the senate isn’t a good path to the white house. Obama was the first senator since jack Kennedy to make it there without having first served or ran as veep. Americans have a strong preference for electing state govs

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