The first debate

October 4th, 2012 at 6:07 pm by David Farrar

Well no one picked this. Not only did Romney do very well, but Obama failed to connect. Romney was relaxed and confident and talked about actual people to illustrate his points while Obama looked like he’d rather not be there.

Obama had obviously been told you’re the front runner so don’t mix it up too much – generally good advice, but he took it too far and came across to technical.

I don’t think the debate by itself will change the polls massively, but it will hearten the Republicans and help them with fundraising and getting activists out there. The challenge for Romney is to build on the momentum.

The next debate is the VP debate, and Biden could be anywhere from okay to awful, so the Democrats will be looking forward to the next presidential debate. Off memory it is on foreign policy where Obama should be stronger – and I suspect more aggressive.

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80 Responses to “The first debate”

  1. Sonny Blount (1,845 comments) says:

    No one picked this?

    Bollocks. Almost every conservative has been keenly anticipating these debates because they expect Obama to get beat in them.

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  2. metcalph (1,361 comments) says:

    Obama should be stronger in Foreign policy? As in Libya where the Administration spent the past month lying about what happened in Benghazi? Today’s debate must have been really bad then.

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  3. Lindsay Addie (1,129 comments) says:

    Romney started strongly and never let Obama into the game. Even Bill Maher is conceding that Romney won.

    This video of Obama apologist/sycophant Chris Matthews on MSNBC is good for a laugh as he is all but crapping himself about the debate and goes on a big rant:

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  4. Sonny Blount (1,845 comments) says:

    Perhaps DPF is more attuned to liberal chatter than conservatives.

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  5. Sonny Blount (1,845 comments) says:

    Eastern Europe is Obamas big foreign policy weakness. He has hung Poland out to dry and he is scared of Netanyahu.

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  6. RandySavage (196 comments) says:

    Unsurprisingly, the leftist punditry is up in arms over Obama’s performance. So, it should come as no surprise that pundits on the right have been likening Romney’s performance as something of victory of Biblical proportions (the Mormon Bible being a possible exception). In reality, these debates encompass a sore of symbiotic relationship between both friend and foe – it does so by keeping both candidates viable through November – in a horse race, the punditry tends to profit.

    The left will concede that Romney was clutch and pulled off a win against all odds-and while this may seem demoralizing, in all actuality, this ‘setback’ will likely help the Obama, in that it will have the effect of keeping the President’s base from losing interest or lax in their vigilance.

    In other words, if the President appears to be in a position where he’s going to win, no matter what, that would paradoxically dampen voter turnout on the left if only because they assume that Obama can’t possibly lose. And to top it all off, the previously demoralized right will finally get the chance to declare something of a victory for their side – something Team Romney hasn’t been capable of doing for quite some while. The debate was a draw (which is really all Romney needed to accomplish in order to “win”). So both sides won, really. And don’t forget about the advertisers on F0x and MS/NBC. In a drawn out race, they will literally have the most to gain.

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  7. tas (593 comments) says:

    I missed the first half an hour. By the time I tuned in, Obama was holding his own, I did not leave with the impression that there was a clear winner. I felt that Romney didn’t differentiate himself from Obama much: he defended social security and medicare; he said he would replace obamacare with something that sounded rather similar. I wasn’t impressed and I doubt the polls will move, but, hey, I missed a fair chunk and I am not a normal person.

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  8. Chuck Bird (4,682 comments) says:

    Obama misses his teleprompter.

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  9. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Don’t you just have to love it.
    Talk about rats jumping off a sinking ship.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/3/hurt-obama-debater-making-jimmy-carter-look-awesom/

    Even CNN viewers had it 67-25 Romney.

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  10. Redbaiter (7,605 comments) says:

    “Perhaps DPF is more attuned to liberal chatter than conservatives.”

    I would say that would be correct.

    Like Whale, most of the talking posts they raise on the US elections seem to be sourced from liberal outlets.

    Weird I reckon. Kind of like they’ve deliberately walled themselves off from Conservative viewpoints.

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  11. RRM (9,445 comments) says:

    If you manage to somehow block your ears to the 1% of nutters on either side who are making 99% of all the hysterical claims about how repugnant the other team’s candidate is, you are left with the awful realisation that… both of them are pretty bland, vanilla flavoured guys with very risk-averse policies. Hard to get excited about either of them.

    Is there much of a population of swing voters in the USA, or are they all pretty tribal?

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  12. Pete George (22,804 comments) says:

    Ex-fact USA President, what a way to choose the most powerful person of the most powerful country in the world.

    Both Romney and Obama did just what the sponsors wanted, attracting an audience back for episode two.

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  13. Chuck Bird (4,682 comments) says:

    “Ex-fact USA President, what a way to choose the most powerful person of the most powerful country in the world.

    Both Romney and Obama did just what the sponsors wanted, attracting an audience back for episode two.”

    What is a better way – supply them both with teleprompters?

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  14. BlairM (2,286 comments) says:

    I don’t think I’ve seen such a lopsided debate since Helen Clark pwned Bill English. It was a slaughter. Obama recovered a little after the first half hour, but the damage was already done. Best moment was when Obama tried to claim he had some lame-ass legislation before congress, and Romney said incredulously “But you’ve been President for four years!”

    Obama looked weak. He stammered and hesitated. He bowed his head like a naughty schoolboy whenever Romney started calling him out on his crap. He looked like this was all just a waste of time for him and that he wanted to be somewhere else. Whereas Romney, by contrast, was confident, assured, and Presidential. He looked like he actually had a plan to fix things. I think you will see movement in polling from this.

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  15. DJP6-25 (1,268 comments) says:

    Thank God Romney won the debate. I hope he makes good on his threat to dump PBS.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  16. Reid (15,942 comments) says:

    What needs to happen in these debates is to setup a website for people to submit questions, and those are voted on.

    Then moderators are nominated, one from the left and one from the right. Those moderators are also voted on.

    Those questions and those moderators are what forms those debates.

    Not that I personally care, both sides are bad. Worse than that in fact.

    But if you don’t want vapid superficial bullshit then turn it into a bearpit.

    The last thing that the voters get to nominate, to make it really interesting, is how the losing candidate gets to be punished at the end of the debate and once again, everyone gets to vote on that, and whatever is determined has to happen, live on TV, even if it means being torn apart by wild animals which is probably one of the things that will be nominated.

    The only thing the candidates get to decide is what body armour to wear, lest they lose.

    Remember (in the spirit of Romney who quoted the Declaration of Independence in one of his statements):

    “When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.” – Jefferson

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  17. Sonny Blount (1,845 comments) says:

    Pete George (14,834) Says:
    October 4th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
    Ex-fact USA President, what a way to choose the most powerful person of the most powerful country in the world.

    Both Romney and Obama did just what the sponsors wanted, attracting an audience back for episode two.

    Your dissing a debate covering topics of policy as a part of the political process?

    You just hit a new level of moron.

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  18. flipper (3,550 comments) says:

    You are far too kind to Obama DPF. So much so that I question whether you watched, undistracted, the whole debate.

    Obama is an economic illiterate who trades on the Harvard “name”.

    This US election is about the economy, the economy, the economy – jobs! (Say, did you note that the US is now equal with Spain on state spending (40+%) v GDP? )

    Foreign Affairs? Obama Zip Romney 10. I await his explanation of the Lybian disaster with interest.

    In the meantime we have mad Joe Biden v Ryan. Lord help the Dems. Biden won’t.

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  19. Sonny Blount (1,845 comments) says:

    Apologies and embarrassment for poor grammer

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  20. markblackham (13 comments) says:

    It reminded me of the first debates between key and goff in the last election. Key appeared to feel he shouldnt need to be there debating this ‘bozo’. Incumbency can do that to you. The later debates though, Key got his mojo back. I think obama will do the same.

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  21. iMP (2,236 comments) says:

    I gave it to Romney 10-2. I agree with BlairM, it was slaughter.

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  22. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    They were both fucking hopeless. Mitt only won because Barack dozed off – not because he was the better debater.

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  23. Andrei (2,500 comments) says:

    Well no one picked this.

    Really?

    The big O is an empty suit.

    Romney took him to the woodshed.

    Too late perhaps Obama’s legacy might well be WW3

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  24. Sonny Blount (1,845 comments) says:

    From twitter:

    “That wasn’t a debate so much as Mitt Romney just took Obama for a cross country drive strapped to the roof of his car”

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  25. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    “The big O is an empty suit.”

    So is Mitt Romney. They are both completely fucking hopeless.

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  26. Left Right and Centre (2,819 comments) says:

    Sonny Blount

    *Apologies and embarrassment for poor grammer*

    grammar?

    Geez… I hope Obama doesn’t turn into ‘oh, bummer’. He’s cool man.

    Hey, at least he’s got the black vote sewn up. I’m sure that 90% of blacks didn’t vote for Obama in 2008 based purely on his skin colour alone. Would it have been more if his mother wasn’t white?

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  27. Adolf Fiinkensein (2,793 comments) says:

    David, you’ve been spending too much time with blinkered pinkos.

    It was a full scale rout. A game changer. You saw what happens when a a flake is coached by a fake.

    You reckon it won’t affect the polls? It already has. Have a look at the at the major networks’ polling of independents.

    For the first time Mr Romney was able to connect with a very large audience without the usual biased filter of the Obamaphile media who, by the way, are beside themselves.

    I could not have wished for a better result.

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  28. Fletch (6,021 comments) says:

    Off memory it is on foreign policy where Obama should be stronger

    Really? Obama’s foreign policy is a disaster.
    He has gone around trying to appease Islamic countries; bowing to the Saudi King etc, and hoping that this will make America look more appealing to them. What has really happened is that the U.S is now perceived as weak, U.S embassies have come under attack, Obama has weakened the alliance with Israel (the only Democracy in the Middle East) and Obama’s foreign policy in in shambles.

    Obama doesn’t know how to make friends with the leaders of different countries. He’s a narcissist who thinks he can persuade by the force of his personality.

    He is useless.

    In truth, I expect Romney to be even stronger on foreign policy than he was on domestic topics.

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  29. Pete George (22,804 comments) says:

    Religious nutters are not just on the right:

    cintra wilson ‏@xintra
    RICH PEOPLE: Poverty isn’t laziness. If you got through a season of The WIRE and you still vote for Mitt, you are simply going right to hell

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  30. Manolo (13,357 comments) says:

    His own sycophants and ass-lickers are disappointed: http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/10/live-blogging-the-first-presidential-debate-2012.html

    The comments from DPF confirm his impeccable blue-dog democrat credentials, if he were a US blogger.

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  31. Reid (15,942 comments) says:

    I think we all have fixed opinions that weren’t changed by this. The real question is, which opinions were?

    I’d hypothesise quite a few. Lots of US floaters must have had a gutsful of Obama. He has been incredibly useless toward his base and those US voters inclined to float to him last election.

    Romney I’m picking, will get a 3-5% uptick from this. Unstable, will depend on the next debate. Not that I care, but my view doesn’t count here.

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  32. Manolo (13,357 comments) says:

    The blacks in the US vote along racial lines, so they will favour the incompetent Obama who offers food stamps and all sort of freebies and welfare benefits.

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  33. berend (1,633 comments) says:

    I’m not sure Obama was that bad. But he lacked a bit of fire perhaps.

    But it doesn’t matter. Both candidates believe in pretty big government.

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  34. Pete George (22,804 comments) says:

    Both candidates believe in pretty big government.

    Understatement of the thread.

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  35. Chuck Bird (4,682 comments) says:

    “Not that I care, but my view doesn’t count here.

    Everybody should care.

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  36. Manolo (13,357 comments) says:

    But it doesn’t matter. Both candidates believe in pretty big government.

    True if we’re talking of Clark and Key.

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  37. Pete George (22,804 comments) says:

    The next debate could be completely different, depending on how they do their hair.

    This is both amzing and hilarious: https://twitter.com/Alex_Ogle/status/253745068199010304/photo/1

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  38. Lindsay Addie (1,129 comments) says:

    Michael Moore isn’t happy either:
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/oct/4/picket-michael-moore-obama-what-happens-when-u-pic/

    Amongst his angst ridden tweets is:
    “This is what happen when u pick John Kerry as your debate coach.”

    Suck it up Moore your boy got licked.

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  39. iMP (2,236 comments) says:

    The Democrats are already going ballistic over Obama’s poor performance. This is a must watch over at MSNBC. Hilarious.

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2012/10/04/democrat-eviscerates-obama-over-debate

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  40. Fairfacts Media (371 comments) says:

    I thought Andrew Sullivan’s comments were hilarious.
    The Obamaphiles in the blogosphere are truly out of touch, including those on the ‘right.’

    Even the BBC’s Obamphiliac US correspondent is upset Romney won.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19825146

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  41. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    I am not convinced Obama’s poor showing will have much effect on his supporters. Some of us have long observed Obama as having no substance at all. He was created by the left wing pop media and will remain in office as long as they want him there. Americans will do the same as Kiwis do. They will do as they are told.

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  42. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    “The blacks in the US vote along racial lines, so they will favour the incompetent Obama who offers food stamps and all sort of freebies and welfare benefits.”

    Wow, Manolo, you’re an awful prick.

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  43. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Wow, Manolo, you’re an awful prick.

    If the truth does not fit your politically correct narrative, then its your thinking that has to change, not the facts Contrarian.

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  44. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    Intrade: Obama 66 – Romney 33

    http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=743474

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  45. Bob R (1,336 comments) says:

    ***Well no one picked this.***

    Huh? Obama’s own campaign people were trying to downplay the debates beforehand, saying Romney is an excellent debater and Obama tends to give long winded answers.

    Sadly, the media will soon get back to their job of getting Obama elected so he need not worry.

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  46. Longknives (4,454 comments) says:

    “Michael Moore isn’t happy either..”

    Considering Moore (and every other salivating leftie) was pretty much fellating Obama at the last election- A Black President was apparently going to cure the World of all it’s ills…

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  47. TheContrarian (1,074 comments) says:

    “If the truth does not fit your politically correct narrative, then its your thinking that has to change, not the facts Contrarian.”

    ““The blacks in the US vote along racial lines, so they will favour the incompetent Obama who offers food stamps and all sort of freebies and welfare benefits.”

    Alright then, I can play this game:

    ““The whites in the US vote along racial lines, so they will favour the rich Romney who offers tax breaks and all sort of freebies and cooperate welfare benefits.”

    Both comments are fucking stupid. Mine hypothetical, Manolo’s apparently genuinely held. WTF is wrong with you people? Are you so lacking in political nous, so ready to jump on the ideological bandwagon that you lose critical thinking ability? Some of you weird freaks are no better than those at The Standard.

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  48. Johnboy (14,973 comments) says:

    What happens when a Chimp is in charge of the USA!

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  49. PaulL (5,873 comments) says:

    Yup. Stupid generalisation. Up there with “the women in Australia will vote for Gillard.” Which wouldn’t be true either, because a bunch of women won’t. Just like a bunch of blacks in USA didn’t vote for Obama.

    Romney’s problem is that he is weak with:
    – Blacks
    – Latinos
    – Women

    Sure, some of those groups he’s only 5% down, but if the only group that vote you more than 50% are middle aged white males, you’re in trouble. If he came out with some strong immigration policies he’d change the game – that would get a chunk of the Latino vote and some of the female vote. Not stupid policies, but perhaps simple ones like:
    – If you’ve lived in the USA more than 10 years, no convictions and you’re employed, here’s your green card
    – Sensible drug and border policies – less focus on soft drugs, less focus on building fences and the like

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  50. Lindsay Addie (1,129 comments) says:

    Is this photo snapped immediately after the debate a candidate for a caption contest?

    http://cdn.washingtonexaminer.biz/cache/r620-f366f40a01a5917f4c85c3c187874318.jpg

    Mrs O looks like she’s ready to eat someone alive!!

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  51. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    The focus group Fox assembled for the debate.

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  52. cha (3,779 comments) says:

    CNN polling group, white southerners over 50.

    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/10/03/top12.pdf

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  53. Kea (11,878 comments) says:

    Dear oh dear Contrarian calm down !

    It is a simple fact that Obama supporters played the race care. big time, in order to get him elected. (remind us what that Nobel Peace Prize was for? )

    You can’t go getting all precious about people commenting along racial lines, when race has so clearly been used to his advantage. I have yet to find an Obama supporter that considers him on the content of his character and not the color of his skin.

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  54. Lazybum (259 comments) says:

    Reminds me of Key in debate 1 of 2008 against Klarkula.

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  55. Ed Snack (1,737 comments) says:

    The other problem, contrarian, is that those who identify as “black” in the US and who vote, are polled as being 97% + Obama voters. There’s precious little evidence that any significant group of “white” identifying people in the US vote for specifically for “the white man”, but there’s very good evidence that a significant chunk of the “black” vote do just that, vote along race based lines.

    The odd thing is that the republicans do have some quite talented black people moving up and standing for significant positions, such as Mia Love for example. Some these gave quite good speeches at the Republican convention…but somehow, the MSM coverage completely ignored every black speaker in their coverage. If it had been done to the Democrats I’m sure the screams of “Racist” would have been long and loud, but as it was only the republicans, and why, we know that they’re racists anyway, nobody complained at all. Oh, except quite a few republicans, but, as they’re racists anyway, that don’t count !

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  56. Ed Snack (1,737 comments) says:

    Another completely different point. This just might be an important break point. For the first time on the MSM, Romney portrayed himself as he chose, not as the dour, unlikable sort that the MSM had been at pains to present. It might have more impact than otherwise it might. especially as simultaneously it exposed the completely fabricated aura around Obama, the “smartest man in the room” most certainly wasn’t, and the juxtaposition was very noticeable to any who watched.

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  57. Sonny Blount (1,845 comments) says:

    The relevant point to whether Black voters are choosing the Black candidate based on his skin colour, is how many Black voters usually vote for a White Democrat as opposed to how many voted for Obama.

    Did Bill Clinton get close to 97% of the Black vote?

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  58. Lazybum (259 comments) says:

    the kenyan was looking for his tele prompter all night. it was nowhere to be seen.

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  59. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    Thank God Romney won the debate. I hope he makes good on his threat to dump PBS.

    PBS programming is mostly funded by private donations. Ending the government subsidy will not kill it. If you’d ever watched it, you would know this. Every flagship PBS programme has a short promo at the beginning which lists all the charitable and philanthropic organisations that paid for it.

    What Romney is talking about is defunding the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. It’s what funds about 1/5 of the budget of the various PBS stations. Losing that would be difficult, but I imagine that many of the same private organisations that provide most of the funding will step in.

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  60. emmess (1,368 comments) says:

    Whole debate

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  61. Tom Jackson (2,458 comments) says:

    The blacks in the US vote along racial lines, so they will favour the incompetent Obama who offers food stamps and all sort of freebies and welfare benefits.

    Up until now, I hadn’t pictured you as one of the pointy hat types.

    Most American Jews also vote Democratic, and it’s a good bet that the vast majority of them will cast a ballot for Obama. Do have any similar anti-semitic remarks you’d like to share?

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  62. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Right on Tom.

    And most American Hispanics also vote Democratic.

    How do we twist that into being anti-Semitic?

    Come on, you can do it!

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  63. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    My take on the debate was one guy working hard to put across facts, the other inventing any convenient lie that came to mind at the time.

    Having said that, Obama’s main problem lies at the beginning of his term when he refused to go for a big bang stimulus. But that simply reflects his natural instincts which are very conservative.

    No matter who wins the election, the general public of the US will continue to be poorly served by their political rulers.

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  64. Kevin (1,122 comments) says:

    Treaty gate meeting. Fight racism

    Monday 8th October
    Remuera Rotary Club Auckland
    Place: Remuera Bowling Club, Dromorne Road (100m down on right from Market Rd).
    Speech time: 6.30 for 6.40pm start. Finishes 7.10pm.
    Dinner option: 5.30 for 6.00pm if you want to join the Rotarians for a buffet dinner.
    Dinner ticket: $30. Book a ticket with colinrwilson@xtra.co.nz, stating your name and address.
    Lots more Treatygate background here: http://www.johnansell.wordpress.com.

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  65. V (668 comments) says:

    On the race debate …

    “The election saw increased participation from African Americans, who made up 11.1% of the electorate in 2004, versus 13.0% in 2008.[209] According to exit polls, over 95% of African Americans voted for Obama. This played a critical role in southern states such as North Carolina. 74% of North Carolina’s registered African American voters turned out, as opposed to 69% of North Carolinians in general, with Obama carrying 100% (with rounding) of African-American females and African Americans age 18 to 29, according to exit polling.[210] This was the case in Virginia as well where much higher turnout among African Americans propelled Obama to victory in the former Republican stronghold.[211] Even in southern states where Obama was unsuccessful, such as Georgia and Mississippi, due to large African American turnout he was much more competitive than John Kerry in 2004.[212][213]“

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  66. sparky (235 comments) says:

    Without a doubt, Romney was by far the best in the first debate. He made Obama look very average, he had no answers.

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  67. Manolo (13,357 comments) says:

    The European elites are not happy about the debate’s outcome: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/04/us-europe-us-debate-idUSBRE8930Y520121004

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  68. Manolo (13,357 comments) says:

    The con-man’s excuse, or was it AGW?: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/04/gore-blames-denver-altitude-for-obama-debate-performance/

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  69. Maaik (33 comments) says:

    Imagine, for a second, that you were watching the rugby instead of the debate. Imagine the Japies leading at half-time, due to a lacklustre ABs performance. Now start predicting who is going to win the match.

    Every Kiwi will predict that the ABs will surge back in the last quarter and inflict a crushing defeat on their traditional rivals. Every Saffer will point to the first half and say that they expect more of the same.

    The presidential debates are much the same. All the pro-Obama voices are prediciting a comeback, and all the pro-Romney idiots are predicting that he’ll somehow win the election.

    Any professional sports gambler will tell you that the key is to take the long view – if you don’t know who is going to win before the game, don’t bother betting on it. Long-term performance always beats unexpected bursts of brilliance. It will take a truly terrible campaign by the Democrats to lose this election, and they have just been handed a yellow card – now is the time to up the game, focus and win.

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  70. Brian Smaller (3,989 comments) says:

    @Contrarian – the race card and accusations of being in the KKK. Well done. You should have been a debater.

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  71. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    It is a sad fact that a large majority of New Zealanders would vote Democrat if they could vote in the US election.

    Even large numbers of NZ National Party supporters would vote Democrat.

    i’m not exactly sure why this is, but it is a very, very sad fact.

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  72. Manolo (13,357 comments) says:

    Even large numbers of NZ National Party supporters would vote Democrat.

    Why are you surprised, bereal? Today’s National Party is unabashedly left-of-centre.

    It jettisoned its liberal principles (it started with Bolger) and has continued to drift left since. You have only to look at the (il)liberals void of principles that belong to it: Parata, Kaye, Key, Bridges, Smith.

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  73. iMP (2,236 comments) says:

    The utter delusional shock in the Democrat camp that their “Commander-in-Chief” Mr Super Global Celebrity-

    (I will half the national debt in my first term – now doubled;
    Muslim hatred will fade away – protests in 33 countries;
    I will close Gitmo – still open)

    - has finally been shown up as the sheltered, surrounded-by-adoring-yes-folks Teleprompter Show Pony he is. Just tragic.

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  74. Fletch (6,021 comments) says:

    The reason why DPF “didn’t pick this” is because he doesn’t know Romney; no one does, as the mainstream media have done a good job of giving him the personality they want him to have. It’s a smokescreen.

    What we saw yesterday was the real Romney; one that Obama can’t handle on his own without the media shilling for him and it shows. Plus, Romney has the facts on his side, which Obama does not.

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  75. All_on_Red (1,359 comments) says:

    Quite so Fletch. And importantly 60 million americans saw it too.

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  76. Manolo (13,357 comments) says:

    The Messiah’s spin-doctors at work: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/04/obama-campaign-conducts-damage-control-in-wake-debate/?intcmp=trending

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  77. Manolo (13,357 comments) says:

    Fuel to the fire: http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2509895/#.UG4vTa4zlL7

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  78. RightNow (6,658 comments) says:

    An animated summary – love those Taiwanese

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  79. Lindsay Addie (1,129 comments) says:

    Meanwhile over at MSNBC the Obamaista’s are still having kittens about their messiah getting a hiding:
    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jack-coleman/2012/10/04/maddow-asks-plouffe-if-debate-strategy-was-obama-be-wimp

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  80. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Plus, Romney has the facts on his side

    You can be a funny man, Fletch!

    Facts like:

    1. Half the green energy projects funded by the government have gone broke? The truth is less than 1%.

    2. Facts like a 716 billion cut to Medicaid he bangs on about? The truth is that in reality it is a cut to the money pocketed by the insurance companies and can now be diverted to the consumers ie the sick.

    3. Facts like he can repeal Obamacare and cover pre-existing conditions? The truth is he can’t.

    4. Facts like his energy plan? The truth is that it is risible anyway but, if implemented would lay waste to large tracts of the US and the worldwide climate.

    5. Facts like he can give his rich mates a 5 trillion tax cut without raising the deficit and/or raising revenue from the middle class? The truth is, voodoo economics, my friend.

    Like I said Fletch, you’re a funny man.

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