The Taliban

October 17th, 2012 at 12:00 pm by David Farrar

Stuff reports:

insurgents have said that the Pakistani schoolgirl its gunmen shot in the head deserved to die because she had spoken out against the group and praised US President Barack Obama.

Malala Yousufzai, 14, was flown to Britain on Monday, where doctors said she has every chance of making a “good recovery”.

Pakistani surgeons removed a bullet from near her spinal cord during a three-hour operation the day after the attack last week, but she now needs intensive specialist follow-up care.

Authorities have said they have made several arrests in connection with the case but have given no details.

Pakistan’s Taliban described Yousufzai as a “spy of the West”.

“For this espionage, infidels gave her awards and rewards. And Islam orders killing of those who are spying for enemies,” the group said in a statement.

“She used to propagate against mujahideen (holy warriors) to defame (the) Taliban. The Koran says that people propagating against Islam and Islamic forces would be killed.

“We targeted her because she would speak against the Taliban while sitting with shameless strangers and idealised the biggest enemy of Islam, Barack Obama.”

Yousufzai, a cheerful schoolgirl who had wanted to become a doctor before agreeing to her father’s wishes that she strive to be a politician, has become a potent symbol of resistance against the Taliban’s efforts to deprive girls of an education.

Pakistanis have held some protests and candlelight vigils but most government officials have refrained from publicly criticising the Taliban by name over the attack, in what critics say is a lack of resolve against extremism.

“We did not attack her for raising voice for education. We targeted her for opposing mujahideen and their war,” said the Taliban. “Shariah (Islamic law) says that even a child can be killed if he is propagating against Islam.”

Oh they didn’t shoot the 14 year old girl because she advocates for girls bring educated. They shot her because she criticised the Taliban.

Sick motherfuckers.

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66 Responses to “The Taliban”

  1. RRM (9,834 comments) says:

    Disgusting.

    Time for Pakistan Government to grow a pair and wipe out this scourge.

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  2. kowtow (8,323 comments) says:

    You just have to love the religion of peace and tolerance,and all it’s apologists in the west.

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  3. Longknives (4,690 comments) says:

    No doubt the apologist Obama would claim she brought it all upon herself for ‘offending’ the religion of peace..

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  4. scrubone (3,095 comments) says:

    Love their way of defining a “spy of the west” so widely that basicially, if you oppose them then you’re a CIA agent.

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  5. Lance (2,635 comments) says:

    You need a hobby Longknives. Your starting to sound like Redbaiter.

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  6. Manolo (13,580 comments) says:

    You will have to wait a long time, RRM. The Pakistani SIS is infested with Taliban loyalists and sympathisers.
    This is violent Islam for those foolish enough to believe these animals and savages can be appeased.

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  7. tom hunter (4,732 comments) says:

    Time for Pakistan Government to grow a pair and wipe out this scourge.

    While that’s a hopeful thought it’s not likely to happen since they created the Taliban – or at least supported them – from day one.

    As far as NATO, the UN and the USA are concerned it looks like the Three Cups of Tea approach has not worked. I don’t think anything can, especially with Pakistan involved.

    I see the girl is now getting medical care in the UK. Better off is she just stays there: she sounds like a valuable immigrant and if they don’t want her the USA should take her – or perhaps even us.

    Perhaps that points the way to a solution. Just offer all these girls a chance at life in the West. Don’t allow their families to have a say, just get them the hell out of there and allow their shitty societies to slowly die off due to low birthrates.

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  8. Brian Smaller (4,013 comments) says:

    Actually, they are not sick motherfuckers. They are just being true to their faith. Islam is the sick motherfucker.

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  9. Lance (2,635 comments) says:

    Middle ages loonies in the 21st century.
    Wouldn’t be so bad if they eschewed the evil west’s weapons in favour of bows + arrows etc. But alas they have managed to embrace the worst of all.
    The real give away is that these people thrive on ignorance, poverty, famine and violence. Doesn’t sound like Allah to me from all the descriptions I can see.

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  10. Longknives (4,690 comments) says:

    Any suggestions Lance? Stamp Collecting? Liquid Embroidery??

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  11. simo (150 comments) says:

    Fence it all off, put a neck bracelet on ‘em with 100gms of Semtex, if they get outside 100
    metres of each other, BOOM – problem solved. I can understand why so many troops
    want to go back to this hell hole, gives them plenty of opportunities to keep 70 virgins
    very busy!

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  12. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    What will it take before Western society in general & NZ in particular wakes up & realise that by importing Muslim garbage into our country it is only a matter of time before we start being forced into accepting these actions as normal cultural and/or religious practises?

    The UK & France are stuffed because of their immigration policies. Are we incapable of learning anything from their mistakes?

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  13. cha (3,943 comments) says:

    Sick motherfuckers.

    The EDL reacts to the news that Malala Yousafzai will be flown to the UK for treatment.

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  14. tristanb (1,127 comments) says:

    What will it take before Western society in general & NZ in particular wakes up & realise that by importing Muslim garbage into our country it is only a matter of time before we start being forced into accepting these actions as normal cultural and/or religious practises?

    Many in Western society and NZ know this. It’s just our leaders don’t seem to care.

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  15. Sam Buchanan (501 comments) says:

    Hey – since it seems unpopular here to blame those responsible – the Taliban – when its easier to widen the condemnation to all Muslims/Barack Obama/Pakistan/assorted westerners et al, wouldn’t it be simpler if you folks just laid the responsibility at the feet of ‘human beings’ which the Taliban undoubtedly are? That way one can spread one’s vitriol wider and not have to sweat the details. Just a suggestion.

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  16. Manolo (13,580 comments) says:

    Sorry Sam, but these beasts, the Taliban, are not human beings. In fact, they are sub-human.

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  17. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    Sam Buchanan

    I know that you are only trolling but you will no doubt realise that the Taliban, while fully culpable in this case, are Muslim extremists. Note they are not Christian, Hindu or Bhuddist extremists but followers of the sick cult that is Islam.

    As such it is not hard to make the connection & since the extremists don’t distinguish themselves with pink beards or bells on their burqas it is much easier & safer to treat the whole lot as potential religious head cases.

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  18. tom hunter (4,732 comments) says:

    … if you folks just laid the responsibility at the feet of ‘human beings’ which the Taliban Right-WIng undoubtedly are? That way one can spread one’s vitriol wider and not have to sweat the details. Just a suggestion.

    Because Sam Buchanan – like the rest of the Left – always follows that suggestion.

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  19. markm (113 comments) says:

    The Taliban are sick but not as sick as the Islam religion.
    These creatures committ murder , rape ,dismemberment and many other heinous crimes against woman and children for ” crimes” as simple as wanting an education.

    this is done in the name of someone called Mohammed , who we are supposed to believe is some benign , loving prophet.

    The activities of those acting in his name would say otherwise.

    What we need is the leaders of the muslim world including politicians to categorically state these barbarians are not acting in Mohammeds name and are not representatives of their faith.

    I wont hold my breath

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  20. kowtow (8,323 comments) says:

    Blame the Taliban/human beings?

    The sad fact is throughout the Muslim world this sort of thing is common.And the common denominator is Islam itself.

    I’m suspicious of the MSM coverage which is vastly disproportionate to that given to the blaspheming Christian girl. It’s as if the message they want us to swallow is “Look the Muslims do have girls in education ,and this proves it”. Yeah they do but it’s a novelty that a lot of em don’t like. Boko Haram,Mali,Saudi ………….

    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-the-truth-about-honour-killings-2075317.html

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  21. Paulus (2,607 comments) says:

    The Muslim religion, which is actually a way of life, is Peaceful !!!!!of course.

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  22. RRM (9,834 comments) says:

    All Germans are Nazis, right?

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  23. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    RRM

    Were there no way to readily distinguish Germans from Nazis then avoiding everyone with a German accent would be good advice should you wish to live a long & happy life.

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  24. Kea (12,409 comments) says:

    If we do not like the way things roll in Taliban country, we could always consider leaving.

    They are not over here forcing us to adopt Sharia law.

    How about reporting on the number of “little-girls” killed by OUR occupying forces in the Middle East and Central Asia?

    The fact they do not share our feminist view of the world, does not give us moral authority to invade them. They have been around allot longer than our little social experiment of a country has.

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  25. kowtow (8,323 comments) says:

    Scott chris ,on another thread syas make them all middle class (through taxation no doubt) but this is the problem. Here’s the face of the new middle class of North West Europe.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2218588/Ramjit-Raghav-Worlds-oldest-dad-does-96-does-sex-times-night.html

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  26. Sam Buchanan (501 comments) says:

    “Sorry Sam, but these beasts, the Taliban, are not human beings. In fact, they are sub-human.”

    I thought somebody would say that. Just goes to show this site is just a place for rhetorical flights of fancy rather than anything useful.

    “it is not hard to make the connection & since the extremists don’t distinguish themselves with pink beards or bells on their burqas it is much easier & safer to treat the whole lot as potential religious head cases.”

    Exactly. Given the nasty behaviour of some Christians in Africa (such as the Lord’s Resistance Army) and Buddhists in Burma and Hindu militants in India, it seems best to treat the whole lot as evil. And I suspect some of the vicious cases of child abuse in New Zealand were carried out by atheists. So ‘human beings’ seems the best category to blame.

    “I know that you are only trolling”

    I suppose that depends on you definition – I was being sarcastic for sure – to make the point that people here seem unable to address an atrocity without dragging in everyone else they don’t like as somehow culpable.

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  27. hj (6,918 comments) says:

    Does your analysis extend to Maori Sam? If Maori had ownership of beaches etc could we expect a natural variation amongst individuals or is Maori culture trumps?

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  28. niggly (820 comments) says:

    Serious question, what, if anything is being done to address the Wahhabi “extremism” which I believe is originating out of Saudi Arabia and is a major influence on these groups like the Taliban (by providing funding and educational indoctrination)?

    Eg is the US talking quietly behind the scenes with the Saui leadership (and I say US – forget the UN, Russia or Syria or even the pathetic Western “peace-activists” who are MIA as usual as they are too busy protesting against their own Society’s to actually do anything practical)?

    Or is it something the Saudi leadership ignore because of their brutal place in Islam’s history?

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  29. Sam Buchanan (501 comments) says:

    “Does your analysis extend to Maori Sam? ”

    Not sure what you are asking, but of course there’s natural variation amongst individuals, Maori included.

    BTW there’s never been a suggestion that “Maori should own beaches”, (so far as I know), I guess you are referring to proposals for particular iwi organisations to have particular property rights over the foreshore. I don’t particularly support this by the way.

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  30. kowtow (8,323 comments) says:

    Buchanan

    LRA; no one seriously takes anything they do as being in the name of Christianity. One thing that can be said of Christianity is the New Testament is about love etc .So pull the other one.

    However,the Koran ,which is the literal word of God, is full of war and violence. But this has been had out so many times!

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  31. kowtow (8,323 comments) says:

    niggly

    Saudi wahhabi missionaries and money? Very important and no one talks about it!

    Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are truly enemies of the west.

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  32. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    Sam Buchanan

    …”So ‘human beings’ seems the best category to blame.”…..

    Probably but used as a risk minimalisation tactic it would curtail social engagement considerably. Were a person a wet socialist who saw the world as a melting pot & devoted their life to singing Kumbaya at protests, they would welcome the Islamists into their homes in the name of peace & diversification of the human race.

    On the other hand I & a few others who don’t embrace multiculturalism, religion & other fruitloopery would rather see out our natural lives with a full stocktake of limbs & faculties. As such avoiding demographics given to terrorism & murder seems good commonsense advice.

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  33. Steve Wrathall (283 comments) says:

    Meanwhile the UN-sponsored effort to criminalise criticism of Islam continues. In December 2011 UN Resolution 16/18 called for governments to criminalize “incitement” against religions. This was even supported by the Obama administration, and just last month the US president said at the U.N. “The future does not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam.”

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  34. RRM (9,834 comments) says:

    Here’s a little tale about how “those Muslims are all the same”…

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/7827249/Bamiyan-again-falling-prey-to-Taliban

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  35. Griff (7,517 comments) says:

    fruitloopery
    Nice poetic use of the Language nasska can I use it to go with conservonutter?
    Conservonutter fruitloopery has a certain symmetry dont you think.

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  36. dime (9,856 comments) says:

    rrm – not all muslims are the same. dimes rule is only 90% of them are shit heads.

    youd think W. would be their biggest enemy :D

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  37. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    Griff

    Fill ya boots! :)

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  38. Sam Buchanan (501 comments) says:

    “Saudi wahhabi missionaries and money?”

    The Wahhabi missionaries seem to be a very major, and disruptive, influence in parts Africa such as Somalia and Mali – mostly this influence is ideological rather than material or financial, but it’s certainly important. The ideology is pretty close to the ‘official’ Saudi government ideology (as opposed to the real Saudi state ideology of making money and indulging in luxuries), so it’s unlikely that they are going to crack down on it in any meaningful way.

    “As such avoiding demographics given to terrorism & murder seems good commonsense advice.”

    My experience is that 99 point something of any religion, race or creed are not disposed to murder or terrorism. If this wasn’t the case I’d have been dead long ago.

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  39. hj (6,918 comments) says:

    I’m an agnostic, but I still maintain that Islam holds more overt calls to violence than Christianity (by a long shot). That didn’t stop the Spanish inquisition however, at a time when Gengis Khan had forbidden torture and allowed people to worship their own religion. Perhaps we could conclude that you start with your religious belief (or none) and it is what you make of it.

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  40. Sam Buchanan (501 comments) says:

    “I still maintain that Islam holds more overt calls to violence than Christianity ”

    Dunno if that is quantifiable, most modern Christians seem to be very supportive of institutional (state) violence, but opposed (in theory) to individual violence. Islam is a bit less enamored of the state. I’m not sure how you’d objectively decide that a particular religion is more violent than another.

    “Perhaps we could conclude that you start with your religious belief (or none) and it is what you make of it.”

    That’s for sure.

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  41. tom hunter (4,732 comments) says:

    Islam is a bit less enamored of the state.

    Given the intrinsic lack of separation between church and state in Islam I don’t see how one can possibly make that argument. The basis of everyday Islam, Sharia Law, puts forward a complete prescription for how one is to live one’s life as a Muslim, down to eating, drinking and sex – and the state is there to enforce it. Even from a purely theological point of view there is no render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar’s thought from which such a separation could spring.

    And this is not theory but how Islamic countries operate when they are “pure”, and those which are not – the likes of Ataturk’s Turkey or Saddam’s Iraq – rely on a separation imposed by military force. Even in those countries and places like Indonesia that appear to be modernising, there is a head-nodding acceptance of such claims even when the governments wisely choose not to act on them.

    I’m not sure how you’d objectively decide that a particular religion is more violent than another.

    Now that is an utterly ridiculous statement. I have no candle to hold for any religion but I would suggest that even a simple count of the number of terrorist attacks carried out by Islamic groups in the name of Islam, not to mention the vastly greater number of individual murders for rationale’s such as this case, and the even greater number of calls to violence, would be enough of an objective, quantifiable measure to put that notion to bed. One can certainly trundle back through history to look at the violence excerted by Christians, but the issue is in the here and now, not some measure spread across centuries.

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  42. Sam Buchanan (501 comments) says:

    “I would suggest that even a simple count of the number of terrorist attacks carried out by Islamic groups in the name of Islam, not to mention the vastly greater number of individual murders for rationale’s such as this case, and the even greater number of calls to violence, would be enough of an objective, quantifiable measure to put that notion to bed.”

    So you suggest only counting Islamic terrorism, then say this would be objective? Tricky bit is deciding when an act of violence is motivated by religion – do we consider born-again Christian Timothy McVeigh to have been religiously motivated? Do we consider violence by Muslims when the motivation may be non-Islamic cultural beliefs? Do we consider the presence of chaplains in western militaries to be a sign of religious backing for violence? How about wars waged by religious politicians but with a secular purpose? Do we count the violence by Burma’s rulers when justified by referring to Buddhist teachings but in reality probably simply about power struggles and self-interest?

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  43. Manolo (13,580 comments) says:

    Sam, your dhimmitude is staggering. You’ll be defending vile Islam to the end of the world.

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  44. Manolo (13,580 comments) says:

    The only religion for which liberals make excuses is the most illiberal one, Islam. While they interpret Christianity in the worst possible light, they cast Islam in the rosiest one.

    It is a “great religion,” pronounced Hillary Clinton last week, even as its adherents set fire to embassies and cheered the killing of U.S. diplomats and Navy Seals.

    The more violence Islam produces, the more liberals insist it is “peaceful.” The cravenness would be comic were its implications not so serious.

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  45. tom hunter (4,732 comments) says:

    So you suggest only counting Islamic terrorism, then say this would be objective?

    You really think that piece of sophistry works in a debate? I’ll add the obvious words – and Christian terrorism. But don’t tell me, you’ll be counting Western drone attacks.

    Tricky bit is deciding when an act of violence is motivated by religion

    Well, for example, when an Army major runs around shooting people while yelling Allahu Akbar, I’d suggest that’s a pretty easy decision. But perhaps you’re with the Obama administration, who deemed it to be an act of “Workplace Violence”, a description worthy of Blackadder.

    – do we consider born-again Christian Timothy McVeigh to have been religiously motivated?

    Oh of course. The eternal choice of the left in these debates….

    In the 2001 book American Terrorist, McVeigh stated that he did not believe in Hell and that science is his religion. In June 2001, a day before the execution, McVeigh wrote a letter to the Buffalo News identifying as agnostic. Before his execution, McVeigh took the Catholic sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick.

    No mention of born-again Christianity there I see. Given his statements comparing the destruction of the Murrah building with that of the Death Star he may well have been a believer in The Force.

    As far as the rest of your list is concerned even my left-wing friends now consider that sort of rationalised moral equivalence to be old and tired: amazing what a decade of terrorist attacks can do to change people’s minds. Not you of course. For you it’s still 2001 and facile cliches still have argumentative power.

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  46. Sam Buchanan (501 comments) says:

    Oh good – it’s back to ad hominem attacks – for a minute there I thought we could have a sensible discussion.

    “Well, for example, when an Army major runs around shooting people while yelling Allahu Akbar, I’d suggest that’s a pretty easy decision. ”

    OK – let’s not use difficult examples then, just easy ones. That clears that up.

    “Given his statements comparing the destruction of the Murrah building with that of the Death Star he may well have been a believer in The Force.”

    So if your nuts, religion doesn’t count? We’ll only count sane suicide bombers then. Funny how when you point to Christian or Buddhist violence, people say “Oh they don’t count as Christians/Buddhists” but the same argument doesn’t apply to Muslims. this is objectivity, apparently.

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  47. tom hunter (4,732 comments) says:

    … for a minute there I thought we could have a sensible discussion

    I thought so too, until I saw your example, the long-debunked argument that McVeigh was a born-again Christian, plus all the other equivalence arguments from 2001/2002. Refreshing.

    So if your nuts, religion doesn’t count?

    Well from my perspective believing in The Force is no nuttier. But barbs aside, McVeigh was motivated by things other than religion that sound very similar to those of any number of other terrorist groups in history – fear of the state and revenge against it among them – and I suspect you knew that but threw him into the argument anyway in the hope you would not get called on that standard leftist piece of rubbish.

    Tell me again about how your approaching this argument in good faith on a right-wing blog and have another whine about ad hominem attacks.

    OK – let’s not use difficult examples then, just easy ones. That clears that up.

    Surely the point of Mr Hassan’s example is that – for the Obama administration and any number of lefties – it was very difficult to conclude that the attack was motivated by Islamic beliefs. So difficult that they went with the farcical conclusion that it was “Workplace Violence” instead. But given your standard laundry list I can see why – and if that example is difficult ….?

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  48. simo (150 comments) says:

    No respect for human life what so ever is a good place to rule the line. We are too tolerant and accepting and do not understand the misery they have accepted and perpetrated over last 1000 years….mud floors, no sanitation, no infrastructure and mass murder. They now turn up and use our generations of struggle and graft with contempt like they are owed. 7.62×51 is unfortunately the new medicine, a 1000 years ago it was the sword, plague or pestilence. Nothin’ changed here except the Islamic civilian (armies) have pushed further into Europe than the Islamic armies did around 1040AD, they almost got to Paris but were pushed back. This is their next attempt at destroying Europe that almost destroyed them…Long time between drinks and they will do this. While the Western World messes around with homosexual law reform, privacy, and human rights, they will just outbreed due to their (“still”) subservient female population. Although this could trigger a final solution “scenario”, I’m glad I live in NZ where the only threat is John (Blowfly) Hatfield who pleaded not guilty today for messing around in a car.

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  49. Sam Buchanan (501 comments) says:

    “Surely the point of Mr Hassan’s example is that – for the Obama administration and any number of lefties – it was very difficult to conclude that the attack was motivated by Islamic beliefs. So difficult that they went with the farcical conclusion that it was “Workplace Violence” instead. But given your standard laundry list I can see why – and if that example is difficult ….?”

    I didn’t say this example was difficult – I said it was easy. And I’m afraid I’m not a member of the Obama administration so their idiotic inability to draw conclusions aren’t anything to do with me.

    I agree McVeigh had a number of motivations – and this is why i mentioned him. I suspect if you carefully examined most Muslim terrorists you would find a complex web of motivations. But this seldom happens. Soon as a Muslim acts violently, it is popularly credited to religious motivation, which is not the case when a Christian/Buddhist/Hindu/Atheist does the same. How often does the media go into a spin about ‘Buddhist violence’ when the Burmese junta murders its citizens? (But I guess you’ll consider this a 2001/2002 argument and therefore not worth refuting for some unexplained reason).

    Yup I was approaching this argument in good faith – you are welcome to assume otherwise, but don’t pretend to know what motivates me – it just demonstrates a desire to believe everyone who disagrees with you is a caricature. And I wasn’t ‘whining’ about ad hominem attacks – frankly I couldn’t care less what some idiot calls me on a blog – just remarking that this is the norm around here. Surely you are not going to try and maintain otherwise?

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  50. tom hunter (4,732 comments) says:

    I agree McVeigh had a number of motivations – and this is why i mentioned him.

    You did not just “mention” him sweetie, you said do we consider born-again Christian Timothy McVeigh to have been religiously motivated?. And as I pointed out, if you are anywhere near as informed on this as you imply, you would never have tried to slide that nonsense into the debate to pull the whole but Christians do it too argument. So either you’re ignorant (and it’s only a Wikipedia link away) or you’re just trolling, as one commentator said above.

    And while the likes of Osama Bin Laden and company made all sorts of claims as to their motivations, their own writings and internal discussions made it quite clear that their faith in Islam and their desire for a world of Sharia Law – however fantastical, “nutty” and irrational it may sound to us – was and remains their overriding motivation in carrying out attacks on the West. The rest – like their echoing of Michael Moore and the My Pet Goat scene – is just PR crafted specifically for people like you. It sounds like it worked.

    How often does the media go into a spin about ‘Buddhist violence’ when the Burmese junta murders its citizens?

    About as often as the Burmese junta claims they’re doing it because they believe in Buddha and to advance Buddhism.

    And again I have to say that such a question reveals either obtuseness about the bleeding obvious or bad faith in arguing. Outside of these Islamic debates I’ve not heard anyone, including any left-winger, even implying that “the media” or anybody else might be ignoring the Buddhist aspects of the Burmese junta’s thug behaviour. Their motivations are easy to devine – as are the Islamist terrorists – but in the case of the latter you decide there must be “complicating factors” as well.

    In any case, I guarantee you that the moment I see Presbyterians flying planes into buildings in the name of Our Lord Saviour Jesus Christ, I’ll be asking questions about their faith as well.

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  51. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    Sam Buchanan

    Since there’s a risk that we could get bogged down on what McVeigh, Hassan & the Burmese Buddhists did or did not do there is a short but certainly not exhaustive list of some of the atrocities the barbaric followers of the ‘religion of peace’ have engages in over the past few decades.

    Ref: http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/10/idiot.html#comments Comment at 10.43am.

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  52. wat dabney (3,725 comments) says:

    The Taliban are sick but not as sick as the Islam religion.

    To be fair, the Bible is full of appalling barbaric sickness as well.

    The difference between the Taliban and “Christians” is that the Taliban take their holy book seriously.

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  53. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    More sick motherfuckers are those pilots who drop cluster bombs from 30,000ft, blasting to smithereens thousands of women and children every year.

    Of course, because they drape themselves in the US and Nato flags, that’s bravery.

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  54. Longknives (4,690 comments) says:

    That’s right Luc-
    Taliban= heroic freedom fighters
    USA= Evil capitalist baby murderers

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  55. wat dabney (3,725 comments) says:

    I see Luc is here wanking himself off again with his displays of otherworldly piety and unctuous political correctness.

    How’s that working out for you Luc; rubbing your cock instead of actually having to consider a difficult moral issue such as when it is right and when it is wrong to risk collateral damage?

    In fact, I think anyone who gives a nuanced and informed reply to any moral issues is racist. What do you think, Luc?

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  56. Bevan (3,923 comments) says:

    @ Tom Hunter, 5:18PM. If he doesn’t get that, give up as he is clearly an idiot. He will only try to bring you down to his level and attempt to beat you with experience.

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  57. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Longknives (1,555) Says:
    October 17th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
    That’s right Luc-
    Taliban= heroic freedom fighters
    USA= Evil capitalist baby murderers

    There you go again, Longknives, going all Romneyesque on me.

    I wrote: More sick motherfuckers…

    However, there is a grain of truth in your respective descriptions. You must admit, after 10 years of fighting the greatest military force the world has ever seen, the Taliban haven’t done to badly on the fighting front.

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  58. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    when it is right and when it is wrong to risk collateral damage?

    When the war is either illegal, as in the case of Iraq, or hubristic, as in the case of the extended Afghanistan war, or morally twisted as in the case of the murderous drone attacks in Pakistan, Yemen, Sudan (insert countries I’ve missed), murdering civilians is always wrong.

    I’m sure you would agree if the pretty bomblet was heading towards you and your family.

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  59. OneTrack (3,023 comments) says:

    Luc @ 7:14

    But that is only because the Taliban hide amongst the “civilians” and if the US were really as bad as you like to say, they wouldn’t care about the collateral damage and the Taliban problem probably wouldn’t exist.

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  60. noskire (839 comments) says:

    An email that’s doing the rounds:

    Many Muslims today are not happy!

    They’re not happy in Gaza ..
    They’re not happy in Egypt ..
    They’re not happy in Libya .
    They’re not happy in Morocco ..
    They’re not happy in Iran ..
    They’re not happy in Iraq …….
    They’re not happy in Yemen ..
    They’re not happy in Afghanistan …
    They’re not happy in Pakistan .
    They’re not happy in Syria ….
    They’re not happy in Lebanon .
    So, where are they happy?

    They’re happy in Australia …
    They’re happy in New Zealand.
    They’re happy in the UK ..
    They’re happy in Canada …
    They’re happy in the US .
    They’re happy in France ..
    They’re happy in Germany …
    They’re happy in Italy .
    They’re happy in Sweden ..
    They’re happy in Denmark .
    They’re happy in Norway ….
    So, they’re happy in every country that is not Muslim.

    And who do they blame?

    Not Islam.
    Not their leadership.
    Not themselves.
    THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!
    AND THEY WANT TO CHANGE THEM TO BE LIKE THE COUNTRY THEY CAME FROM WHERE THEY WERE UNHAPPY..

    Excuse me, but have I missed something here?

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  61. F E Smith (3,305 comments) says:

    Actually, with the number of ‘homegrown’ Muslim terrorists that the UK is aware of, it might be brave to say that they are happy in the UK…

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  62. ChardonnayGuy (1,199 comments) says:

    From what I can see, Ordinary Decent Muslims are as sickened and disgusted at that poor young woman’s senseless shooting as the rest of us. Especially those of us who have daughters. What her poor parents must be going through right now…

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  63. Sam Buchanan (501 comments) says:

    “About as often as the Burmese junta claims they’re doing it because they believe in Buddha and to advance Buddhism.”

    They do actually. Perhaps you haven’t been paying attention.

    “Outside of these Islamic debates I’ve not heard anyone, including any left-winger, even implying that “the media” or anybody else might be ignoring the Buddhist aspects of the Burmese junta’s thug behaviour.”

    Likewise.

    “And while the likes of Osama Bin Laden and company made all sorts of claims as to their motivations, their own writings and internal discussions made it quite clear that their faith in Islam and their desire for a world of Sharia Law”

    I quite agree – so long as we are talking about Osama and his mad mates, not just everybody who happens to be Muslim – as several commentators above like to make out.

    “In any case, I guarantee you that the moment I see Presbyterians flying planes into buildings in the name of Our Lord Saviour Jesus Christ, I’ll be asking questions about their faith as well.”

    Right – so once again you are back to the argument that violence only counts if it is the same sort of violence that some Muslims have carried out.

    Nasska – that’s seven acts of violence over 30 years – of course, there’s plenty of violent acts by Muslims you’ve missed, but you’ve also missed all the acts of violence by Buddhists, Christians, Hindus, atheists etc. I think you might have missed the point of this argument. Nobody is arguing Muslims haven’t committed acts of violence, just that these are highlighted in some quarters while other violence is ignored or attributed to other than religious motives. Your example tends to prove this.

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  64. Paulus (2,607 comments) says:

    Understand that US would take her willingly – there are too mant Taliban sympatisers in UK now, so it will be more dangerous for her to stay there perhaps.
    UK is no longer the tolerant society it once was, having been invaded by those who wish to transfer their lifestyle at Uk taxpayers expense.
    Non immigrant UK birthrate 1.8 – Moslem birthrate 8.2 – similar to many other European countries – ask Holland.

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  65. ChardonnayGuy (1,199 comments) says:

    To inject a note of demographic common sense into this thread, according to the most recent New Zealand census, Buddhism is now the second largest NZ religion, followed by Hinduism in third place and then Islam in fourth. Most Kiwi Muslims tend to be just that- well integrated into our society, predominantly into devotional Islam and not at all radical, apart from a small clutch of troublemakers in one South Auckland mosque who got booted out when sanity prevailed. By contrast, the Federation of Islamic Associations of New Zealand seems good, moderate and not at all militant.

    Added to which, one does need to realise that Islam itself isn’t monolithic. There’s the major Sunni/Shia/Alawi denominational divide, and further divides of ethnicity, class and different political preferences. Al Qaeda is at least as anti-Shia as it is anti-Western, and so are the Taliban. There was a nasty bout of religious persecution and ethnic cleansing against the Northern Shia Hazara communities when the Taliban were in charge of Afghanistan. And Sam’s right. While there are good and unselfish Myanmar Buddhist monks who support democratic reform and an end to political corruption, Thailand has regular scandals involving financial misdealings from its saffron-clad high rollers- and they ain’t talking about the wheel of reincarnation there, kids. In Nigeria, there are problems with the anti-modernist Sunni Boko Haram sect, but unfortunately, both its Christian and Muslim communities have histories of mutual sectarian animosities. In India, the ruling Congress Party is multiconfessional, but the centre-right Bharatiya Janata Party opposition is Hindu nationalist, and there have been Hindu/Muslim clashes in that society.

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  66. Sam Buchanan (501 comments) says:

    Article on growing anti-Islamic Buddhism in Burma: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/09/14/buddhist_monks_behaving_badly

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