Lets just hope Mises theories around debt are ‘fairy tales’ eh. They’re seeming pretty real to the rest of the world – why do you think we’re in recession?

“Unemployment doles can have no other effect than the perpetuation of unemployment”
“Assistance granted to the unemployed does not dispose of unemployment. It makes it easier for the unemployed to remain idle”
“All almsgiving inevitably tends to pauperize the recipient”
“It is not capitalism which is responsible for the evils of mass unemployment, but the policy which paralyses its working”

My opinion is that all this welfare is what has really destroyed the family unit – once upon a time these people would have been supported by friends and family. Now ‘society’ – to whom the recipient is anonymous – is expected to pick up the tab. Why would family support family when the government (or everyone else but them) will do it for them? One could expect there to be a correlation between the size of welfare provided and support provided by friends and family. To claim otherwise is disingenuous.

Penny – agree with you regarding corporate welfare. But remember just as the ‘lazy bludgers’ and ‘poor’ are not one and the same, nor is ‘crony capitalism’ and ‘captalism’. There are those who are wealthy because they are providing goods and services that society values (and are free to purchase or reject, unlike state based solutions) as opposed to those who gain wealth through corruption. Food for thought next time you’re campaigning against ‘the rich’ as if they are a homogenous group of greedy corrupt old white men.

Well said.

Not long ago we thrashed the subject of WINZ paying the beneficiary’s rent & power direct & loading the remainder onto a debit card which couldn’t be used to purchase alcohol, cigarettes or Lotto.

Would sure solve a few problems for the couple you describe.

Sterilization for these sort after the first baby…its the only answer. I hate paying for scum losers to breed.

So here’s the rub, she’s pregnant with number 4 and it was no accident. They’ve been trying for over a year. She has 3 boys now and wants a girl. Child Services has already been onto them about maltreatment of the 3 they have but none have been removed. Not abuse mind you, just not well-fed, poorly clothed. So they’re having another kid and of course they do so because they just naturally rely on the govt doling out more money for them to subsist on. Are they living the high life? Of course not. But give them more money and all they’ll do is drink and smoke more, have another kid, and mistreat it too.

There has to be a safety net of course and we can’t punish the kids for the parents’ mistakes, but the current system doesn’t seem to be working either.

Care to explain your ‘corporate welfare beneficiaries’? Are they from the sector that creates employment and wealth in this country, and pays the taxes you want to get your sticky fingers on? Spend the rest of your life trying to kill the goose that lays the golden egg if you wish, but stop inflicting your warped views on the rest of us.

LMAO Ha ha fuck me dude you have just given your location as a leafy suburb. That’s exactly what happens, in many many places around NZ, for many many years

Loads of girls in high schools (used to) time their pregnancies to happen the year after they finish at school. Ask somebody, anybody in WINZ in any of the classic areas; Far North, East Coast etc etc.

You should get out more often

As I have noted previously, many people in this situation suffer from low future time orientation.

Does ” low future time orientation” actually mean anything? I doubt it.

@ RRM,

As I have noted previously, many people in this situation suffer from low future time orientation. They are incapable of using contraception regularly. My modest suggestion is to make contraception shots a condition of eligibility for welfare payments. They would be part of the reciprocal obligation entailed in receiving money from another person/organisation.

http://kidshealth.org/teen/sexual_health/contraception/contraception_depo.html

Awesome, first though lets see her weekly budget before we hand over more of our hard earned cash.
How much goes on smokes, booze or the pokies? Does she have Sky TV? How much is her Internet plan? Or her mobile phone plan for that matter? What is the total she owes on her credit cards? And which bank was dumb enough to give her one?!? And finally how much does she owe to dodgy Sth Akl finance companies?

So what’s your suggestion for fixing this?