These lefties promoting this crap are hung up on ideological fantacies that basically take away responsibility of individuals and transferring it to the state – Marx, Lenin & Stalin will be pleased with their comrades in the Labour & Green parties.

Hard right capitilism and hard left communism have the end result – countries go broke, the very wealthy are protected, and the masses suffer big time. It’s just in communist distatorships where the media is censored and controlled, the rest of world doesn’t see the extent of the suffering.

As I said, I would consider that this is radical, in that such a proposal is fundamentally different to the current status quo in NZ society. Now whether you agree or disagree with it doesn’t alter the fact that it is radically different to what we currently have. That’s all I’m trying to say. Not whether it’s a good idea or a bad idea – that debate has been done to death in other posts.

Hell, some of Labour’s proposals that DPF is mocking aren’t exactly radical. Lower the voting age to 16? We can debate the issues around it, but it ain’t that radical.

When it was introduced, yes Saturday shopping was radical.

Exactly my point graham – civil union [incl. gay] adoption as radical is from a bygone era

bhudson: When it was introduced, yes Saturday shopping was radical.

I think most people would agree that such a proposal would be seen as somewhat “radical” in little sleepy old New Zealand.

graham,

Only as much as being able to shop on a Saturday.

We don’t graham we agree with people being able to adopt their partners children.

Perhaps a kind soul here will compare and contrast these with the remits from the last National Party conference.

To which DPF responded:

[DPF: Nothing radical. They voted to support allowing couples in a civil union able to adopt]

WTF? Allowing couples in a civil union to adopt is not radical? I am assuming that, by implication, this includes gay couples. Whether you agree or disagree with gay couples being allowed to adopt, I think most people would agree that such a proposal would be seen as somewhat “radical” in little sleepy old New Zealand.

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Germany of course does have large international companies, e.g. Volkswagen, Siements, BMW, Mercedes etc and I would presume these are unionised. The majority of German firms, as in most countries, are small. Known as ‘Mittelstand’ and these are the bedrock of the German economy, employing about 70% of the workforce. These companies are not unionised to a great extent, only about 10% of them.

There is a big difference in Germany between works councils, which by law must work with the employer on a ‘basis of mutual trust’ and unions that represent only the employees.

An interesting point is that the old East Germany has less union and work council representation than the West.

Then whoever is in vogue as the most popular on FB gets in parliament, Are they trying to win my people back? I haven’t seen the word Commie’s used for a long time, the reality is that whatever political persuasion you believe in will eventually be subsumed into the coming system. Interesting, giving the 16 year olds the vote. They are the next generation and these new gens will look back at our current system and think “How the hell did it survive that long”

With regard to German Unions, only approx. 19% of the work force is in unions.

But its the most efficient, productive part, right?

‘Gender this and gender that’ has overtaken equality issues and is now marching as socialism in slacks!

http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2006/01/art3full.pdf

You have to treat the left-wing voters like children. First, you tell them that voting for Uncle Shearer will completely f**k the country. They ignore you and do it anyway. The country becomes f**ked, just as you predicted, and the lefties whine and moan “woe is me! Why didn’t someone SAY something….?”

They’re like kids putting a knife into a power-socket – they just HAVE to learn by stuffing up. Nothing else seems to work.

( The sad thing is that their ignorance stuffs things up for everyone else too. )