You say above you are 43 – you were working as a linesman when Telecom was sold… Do you really mean; You were a pimply faced fresh employee in the big state run monopoly that though it was just marvellous while customers were constantly complaining… You had precious little worldly experience (approx 18 years old ????) to judge how well “Telecom” was operating but your boss told you they were fabulous and you had insufficient life experience to judge otherwise….

“Yoza…The phone side of The Post Office was a shambles when it was sold…. “ Bullshit, I was working as a lineman at the time. During that time the system was changing from the old mechanical exchanges to the more modern electric exchanges. The older style exchanges and dial phones were more labour intensive to install and maintain.

Where have I endorsed the totalitarian system throughtout Eastern Europe during the Soviet era? I’ve said before I tilt more toward Libertarian Socialism, I don’t know what you are on about.

bhudson (2,710) Says: at 10:28 pm

“Yoza, You do realise that makes your view completely irrelevant to them, right???”

So only people in the Labour party or prepared to vote for them should be allowed to comment on a thread about them on Kiwiblog. I’m guessing you must believe David Farrar must be going to vote for them as he started a thread about them, otherwise why would he as what he says is completely irrelevant, right???

Even if you had, you would have been one of the totally deluded ones who STILL maintained it was the “anti fascist” barrier designed to keep the west out, despite the fact that you could cross over to the East without any trouble at all – but coming back was a very different story…

Communism is a long game. It’s about social engineering and it takes place of multiple generations.

Given that the fundamental belief of Marxists is that economic relations determine social relations (although that is a crude way of stating it), your take on it seems back asswards. If a communist party has to start widespread cracking of heads and brainwashing people, that’s a sign that its mode of production is not sufficient to sustain a communist society.

You would think that the world’s communists would have noticed that Marx said that communism would develop from the advanced capitalist economies and not from semi-feudal or podunk third-world nations like Russia, Cambodia or China.

The odd thing is that it’s perfectly possible to be a committed communist and to cheer for capitalism. In fact, it would seem to be rational to do so. I guess that’s why the fourth Labour government were so gung ho about free markets.

Last time I voted for Labour was in ’87 just before they sold Telecom

Yoza…

The phone side of The Post Office was a shambles when it was sold…. State run monopolies are like any non state run monopoly… they just feel better to the sheeple to start with because the state runs them and it must be acting in our interest right… wrong – they are still a fricken monopoly and become self serving very quickly. When ‘Telecom’ was sold it was a disaster of a money pit for the tax payers…. thank Labour for selling it enabling competition to creep into the market…

Last time I voted for Labour was in ’87 just before they sold Telecom – never again!.

Yoza,

You do realise that makes your view completely irrelevant to them, right???

Sure.

“Yoza
Explaining is losing. Your comment is indicative of the open warfare that has broken out in Labour.”

I’m not in the Labour party or ever going to vote for them again (I can’t speak for ‘Bill’ at The Standard, but from the communications I have had with him I suspect he is not a Labour supporter or likely to vote for them either). Last time I voted for Labour was in ’87 just before they sold Telecom – never again!.

However,I am interested in the way a right leaning caucus, looks like it is going to have its authourity curbed by a more participatory decision making process and the conditions which led to the evolution of that process.

David Garrett (2,928) Says: at 6:45 pm “Can you believe that Yoza chap is a man of 50?”

43, but I’m not sure how this is relevant.

Reid (12,325) Says: at 6:43 pm “The problem is, as stated by many in recent days, he’s looking at recapturing far-left Gween defectors rather than centrist Labour-National floaters which is what he needs. He’s desperate to get his ratings up but Labour-Gween defector’s won’t be swayed by this, and Labour-National floaters won’t either.”

Something like 30% of eligible voters did not vote in the last election, if I were a party strategist for a left-wing political party looking for potential votes these would be the people I would be going after. I suspect, like the Republicans in the US, the National party is the group that gains the most from people staying away from the polls on election day.

David that comes from Zhou Enlai in 1949, who when asked about the impact of the French Revolution, answered, “It’s too soon to tell.”

Communism is a long game. It’s about social engineering and it takes place of multiple generations. Two generations (40 years) isn’t long, but consider changes wrought in society since the sixties. There are many who argue we are already communist, just a glass-cage version of it and when you see things like the Orwellian states arise in UK, US, the bureaucracy in the EU which destroys sovereignty etc, all of which keeps on happening, despite opposition from principled conservatives, is it so far-fetched.

but that top picture is bloody offensive to animal lovers David.

Not cool.

that sums up so bloody much, more concerned about a tweaked photograph of a cat than anything thats going, dear oh dear

This tells me it’s his baby. He sees this I think as his ticket to success or failure and everything depends on him selling it and if he doesn’t, he’s history.

The problem is, as stated by many in recent days, he’s looking at recapturing far-left Gween defectors rather than centrist Labour-National floaters which is what he needs. He’s desperate to get his ratings up but Labour-Gween defector’s won’t be swayed by this, and Labour-National floaters won’t either. The Gween defectors not only have the Gweens insulation policy to counter this but because most of them are in similar demographics as the National-Labour floaters, the Housing Lotto doesn’t touch most of them because they’re already home-owners. Unless Labour designs it so their kids win one. Which their left wing won’t allow.

Oh dear.

Time for bribe Mark II.

I wonder what it will be?