Could he be a Mana Party member?

November 23rd, 2012 at 2:51 pm by David Farrar

Sandra Cochie at NZ Herald reports:

A man who pointed a rifle at a policewoman in Katikati after telling her “we must eradicate all white people” has been jailed for four-and-half years.

He said it while pissed, but still rather concerning to have a combination of race hatred and firearms. Statements from MPs about white motherfuckers do have an impact on society.

Does anyone (ie GE or DG) know if presenting a firearm at a police officer is a strike offence?

The court was told that Flay had only recently been released from prison when he pointed the firearm at a Katikati police constable in Fairview Rd on July 24.

I wonder what the previous offences were for?

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28 Responses to “Could he be a Mana Party member?”

  1. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    “Does anyone (ie GE or DG) know if presenting a firearm at a police officer is a strike offence?”

    and if not,why not ? That sort of carry on should bring a minimum 10 years in the slammer. No doubt the racist party would quietly agree with the murmurings of the dirtbag.

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  2. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    In the media recently was a conviction (eight years for firing at a cop) I understood it to be first strike in nature.
    Here ’tis:

    http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/15396678/cop-shooter-jailed-for-eight-years/

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  3. Graeme Edgeler (3,280 comments) says:

    Does anyone (ie GE or DG) know if presenting a firearm at a police officer is a strike offence?

    It is, assuming the charge is that in section 198A of the Crimes Act:

    198A Using any firearm against law enforcement officer, etc

    (1) Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 14 years who uses any firearm in any manner whatever against any constable, or any traffic officer, or any prison officer, acting in the course of his or her duty knowing that, or being reckless whether or not, that person is a constable or a traffic officer or a prison officer so acting.

    (2) Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years who uses any firearm in any manner whatever with intent to resist the lawful arrest or detention of himself or herself or of any other person.

    I’m not a fan of the word presenting being used in this context, given the offence in the arms act which deals with presenting:

    52 Presenting firearm, airgun, pistol, or restricted weapon at other person

    (1) Every person commits an offence and is liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 months or to a fine not exceeding $1,000 or to both who, except for some lawful and sufficient purpose, presents a firearm, airgun, pistol, or restricted weapon (whether or not the firearm, airgun, pistol, or restricted weapon is loaded or capable at the time of the offence of discharging any shot, bullet, missile, or other projectile) at any other person.

    (2) Every person commits an offence and is liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 months or to a fine not exceeding $1,000 or to both who, except for some lawful or sufficient purpose, presents at any person anything which, in the circumstances, is likely to lead that person to believe that it is a firearm, airgun, pistol, or restricted weapon.

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  4. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    He was simply drunk and uneducated and a product of new age schooling. My bro told me he started a Te Reo course and started with a student loan. Immediately he started the taught to learn with an angry spirit. Anger was the key to learn. So he stopped with a student loan bill attached. Big lesson. Huge actually. Someone else actually left with him. Both Maori.

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  5. Lazybum (259 comments) says:

    Not sure he votes Mana (good educated guess though. I am more sure though that he does not derive income from a honest days work.

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  6. kowtow (8,175 comments) says:

    Statements about the Treaty ,”historical” grievances ,settlements etc do have an impact on society.

    All on the same continuum as the whitemofo business.

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  7. adamsmith1922 (890 comments) says:

    This is what happens when you have the promotion of racial preference for one group over another.

    Now we have the Pacific Islanders, justifiably in one sense, wanting a degree of preference in Auckland given the statutory preference for Maori.

    When will it end?

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  8. nocommentkiwi (35 comments) says:

    I don’t see why it was necessary to try and tarnish Mana’s reputation or include them in this piece. I understand you’re trying to draw some comparison to Harawira’s emails and this guy’s comments, but the two instances are qualitatively different in context and motivation.

    Pretty much just a cheap-shot.

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  9. David Garrett (6,971 comments) says:

    “qualitatively different in context and motivation”..! Excellent !…Remember to sprinkle that phrase throughout your sociology essays (Do students still do essays these days??)

    When you have a party leader saying the kind of things Hone the Racist says in public – and just imagine what he says in private – how can it be a surprise that clowns like this guy follow the party line, i.e. all Maori problems are down to the Honkey, and we should all “go back where we came from.” Expect more of this.

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  10. nocommentkiwi (35 comments) says:

    Would you suggest that we associate all identity-thiefs with ACT? Or all ACT members with identity-thiefs? I don’t think so.

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  11. Yoza (1,774 comments) says:

    nocommentkiwi (8) Says ( at 3:41 pm): “I don’t see why it was necessary to try and tarnish Mana’s reputation or include them in this piece.”

    This is Kiwiblog and Farrar does have a reactionary audience who are deeply imbued with an acceptance of the doctrine of white supremacy, so anyone who questions the primacy of the master race is targeted for derision and scorn. Hone Harawira is an obvious target, being an uppity Maori who threatens the fantasies with which the owner class and their business class sycophants enjoy regaling one another. By extension the Mana party, being the political vehicle of those fighting for the people at the bottom of the socioeconomic heap, must also be singled out for mockery.

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  12. simonway (381 comments) says:

    Yeah, Mr. Garret, nck has a point. I do wonder if these folks aren’t ACT members. After all, when you have a “law and order spokesman” setting such a bad example, you can’t help but think that ordinary citizens might pay attention and believe that it’s appropriate behaviour.

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  13. nasska (11,138 comments) says:

    nocommentkiwi

    Mr Harawira as an MP & leader of the Mana Party seems to make quite a thing of racism & implied violence. For example:

    1) “White motherf***ers have been raping our lands and ripping us off for centuries….”

    2) “…he “wouldn’t feel comfortable” if one of his children came home with a Pākehā partner,…”

    3) “should be lined up against a wall and shot” referring to Phil Goff.

    Why should you think it unreasonable for the MP for Te Tai Tokerau to be associated with the rantings of one of his constituents given that he himself hasn’t got his tongue under control & promotes racism?

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  14. adamsmith1922 (890 comments) says:

    Yoza go away

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  15. Minnie1972 (42 comments) says:

    Cheap shot nck. There is no real comparison. As for Yoza – “an uppity Maori”? Uppity and inciting racial unrest are, in my world, two very different things!

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  16. Reid (16,213 comments) says:

    Yes nasska he serves a wonderful example for all those young men and women doesn’t he.

    It’s nothing more than they way they’re bought up however. It’s very appealing to be told your situation is not your fault it’s someone else’s. It takes real wisdom to see past that if that’s what you’ve been told since you were a baby and everyone else in your family really does think that. That’s the problem.

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  17. nasska (11,138 comments) says:

    Reid

    Such people as the MP for Te Tai Tokerau are frequently referred to as enablers. In their haste to build a platform for their egos they condemn those they should inspire to a life of mediocrity & worse.

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  18. Yoza (1,774 comments) says:

    adamsmith1922 (789) Says: (at 6:25 pm)

    “Yoza go away”

    No.

    Minnie1972 (41) Says: (at 6:31 pm)

    “Uppity and inciting racial unrest are, in my world, two very different things!”

    The incitement of racial unrest is the direct consequence of one distinct ethnic group bearing the brunt of the intensely class conscious policy objectives imposed on society by an unelected ruling elite. As people like Martin Luther King were well aware class conflict and racial conflict are two sides of the same coin. Exploiting superficial racial differences among the lower tiers of society diverts attention from those who plan and profit off economic policies which are designed to maintain a system of debt peonage among a large swathe of the population.

    Hone Harawira does not incite racial unrest, he gives voice to the widespread anger emanating from the gross inequality and injustice many suffer in this country. This inequality and injustice is caused by the enacting of policies which have the successful effect of stripping wealth out of the general population and concentrating it in the hands of a privileged few.

    When the likes of Farrar, a beneficiary of the contemporary economic paradigm, singles out Hone Harawira or the Mana Party as scapegoats for all manner of social ills he is doing little more than fulfilling his function as a faithful servant of our, predominantly foreign, corporate overlords. Anyone who questions the status quo or is seen as a threat to the dominant power structure will always be blamed for the social disasters those power structures inflict on society.

    The white apartheid government running South Africa liked blaming Nelson Mandela and the ANC for inciting racial unrest, they would refuse accept that their system of white supremacy had anything to do with the problem. All of their media outlets would reinforce their message.

    Different country; same scam.

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  19. Sam Buchanan (502 comments) says:

    Has Harawira ever told Pakeha to “go back where we came from” David? I asked you this before and you didn’t reply.

    “When you have a party leader saying the kind of things Hone the Racist says in public – and just imagine what he says in private”

    So it’s a given that all politicians say worse things in private than in public? Not possible that Harawira, for all his faults, is at least honest?

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  20. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    “he gives voice to the widespread anger emanating from the gross inequality and injustice many suffer in this country. This inequality and injustice is caused by the enacting of policies which have the successful effect of stripping wealth out of the general population and concentrating it in the hands of a privileged few. ”

    You mean like the waitangi tribunal and the treaty gravy train, dollars going to the brown mafia, race based policy and privilage..no wonder the white man is getting angry.

    What a tosser.

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  21. Yoza (1,774 comments) says:

    liarbors a joke (246) Says: ( at 11:09 pm)

    “You mean like the waitangi tribunal and the treaty gravy train, dollars going to the brown mafia, race based policy and privilage..no wonder the white man is getting angry.”

    The ” …treaty gravy train…” is insignificant compared to the amount of wealth stripped out of this country by the likes of Telecom, the former owners of the railways, foreign banks. I agree that “…the white man…” should be “…getting angry.”, but using Maori dissent as a whipping-boy for the trouble brewing in this country is a cynical use of the ignorance generated by decades of establishment disinformation.

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  22. landoftime (35 comments) says:

    No – he would not be a Mana party member. The Mana Party is biculturalism in action with Maori and Pakeha (Sue Bradford and John Minto) working side by side. It’s not a separatist party like the Maori party.

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  23. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    So you are also saying harawira has gone from being a separatist to a biculturalist.

    Give me a break.

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  24. mirihika (2 comments) says:

    Thank you to the few reasonable contributors in this thread who know there’s more to MANA than redneck gossip. We’re an inclusive movement who want a better life for everyone, and lots of like-minded organizations who don’t like the way things are going are now offering support. Any of you who want to find out more are welcome providing you come to learn, not to disrupt. Start with Te Mana on Facebook or our website mana.net.nz

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  25. CharlieBrown (987 comments) says:

    He could have been a john key fan as he prolly believes in forcing race based voting on NZ too.

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  26. David Garrett (6,971 comments) says:

    “…come to learn not to disrupt”…So, your “inclusive” website/party has a similar banning policy to The Standard? No surprise there….

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  27. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    I think we are being infiltrated by mana-ites DG…maybe mirihaka is john hawawira?

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  28. Griff (7,316 comments) says:

    There is a growing band of idiots that believe that a return to the stone age would be the best outcome for New Zealand.
    I hope if they get to uppity we use stone age morality against them. :grin:
    The fact that some of the idiots supported ITI and his attempt to start armed conflict shows the morality of those involved

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