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		<title>By: sparky</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/11/editorials_all_say_early_vote_was_a_mistake.html/comment-page-1#comment-1052034</link>
		<dc:creator>sparky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 16:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen.</p>
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		<title>By: V</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/11/editorials_all_say_early_vote_was_a_mistake.html/comment-page-1#comment-1052029</link>
		<dc:creator>V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2012 10:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It doesn&#039;t end in Feb either, once Shearer is outed next will come his tell-all. 
Thing with that is, although he is a poor leader, most probably consider him a decent bloke, so will be interesting when he spills about the absolute ar*eholes in the Labour party.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It doesn&#8217;t end in Feb either, once Shearer is outed next will come his tell-all.<br />
Thing with that is, although he is a poor leader, most probably consider him a decent bloke, so will be interesting when he spills about the absolute ar*eholes in the Labour party.</p>
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		<title>By: Paulus</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/11/editorials_all_say_early_vote_was_a_mistake.html/comment-page-1#comment-1051623</link>
		<dc:creator>Paulus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 20:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vote in February will not finlise with either Shearer or Cunliffe.
A &quot;compromise&quot; will take place and Andrew Little will get the job, with Robertson up his backside, and Parker barking alongside too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vote in February will not finlise with either Shearer or Cunliffe.<br />
A &#8220;compromise&#8221; will take place and Andrew Little will get the job, with Robertson up his backside, and Parker barking alongside too.</p>
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		<title>By: Nostalgia-NZ</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/11/editorials_all_say_early_vote_was_a_mistake.html/comment-page-1#comment-1051576</link>
		<dc:creator>Nostalgia-NZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wipe your chin Bill, the dimwit bullies got a good thumping.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wipe your chin Bill, the dimwit bullies got a good thumping.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/11/editorials_all_say_early_vote_was_a_mistake.html/comment-page-1#comment-1051574</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 18:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TVB....

&quot;Shearer has to ask someone what he should do next.&quot;

That is why Robertson selected him.  And Shearer asks Trevor and Annette and Phil. The Old World, the ones who lost 2011.

He does not ask Jacinda, Andrew or Parker. He bullies them. Shearer, frustrated by his lack of knowledge of the organisation&#039;s complexity and history has taken to shouting and threatening. Thus compliant MPs are beginning to see Grant Robertson as the nice guy!!!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TVB&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Shearer has to ask someone what he should do next.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is why Robertson selected him.  And Shearer asks Trevor and Annette and Phil. The Old World, the ones who lost 2011.</p>
<p>He does not ask Jacinda, Andrew or Parker. He bullies them. Shearer, frustrated by his lack of knowledge of the organisation&#8217;s complexity and history has taken to shouting and threatening. Thus compliant MPs are beginning to see Grant Robertson as the nice guy!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: tvb</title>
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		<dc:creator>tvb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a period of great instability for the Labour Party.  The problem is Shearer is a front man for other more experienced MPs who are not yet ready to move on.  You get the distinct impression Shearer has to ask someone what he should do next.  The Labour Party is a complex party to lead and it takes someone of exceptional skill and experience to do it.  Shearer is a decent man but he has that Jack Marshall/Bill Rowling quality about him.. However in both those cases they knew their parties very well.  Shearer does not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a period of great instability for the Labour Party.  The problem is Shearer is a front man for other more experienced MPs who are not yet ready to move on.  You get the distinct impression Shearer has to ask someone what he should do next.  The Labour Party is a complex party to lead and it takes someone of exceptional skill and experience to do it.  Shearer is a decent man but he has that Jack Marshall/Bill Rowling quality about him.. However in both those cases they knew their parties very well.  Shearer does not.</p>
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		<title>By: sparky</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/11/editorials_all_say_early_vote_was_a_mistake.html/comment-page-1#comment-1051567</link>
		<dc:creator>sparky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 17:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shearer is such a weak individual, he won&#039;t last. I just don&#039;t see how he can. He looks as though he has stage fright every time he is interviewed, like a scared rabbit. He does not have the ability to be a Leader, I don&#039;t care what he has done in the UN, it doesn&#039;t qualify him in Politics. As for that Hipkins, he is a little creep, such a cocky little Mr No all, that knows nothing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shearer is such a weak individual, he won&#8217;t last. I just don&#8217;t see how he can. He looks as though he has stage fright every time he is interviewed, like a scared rabbit. He does not have the ability to be a Leader, I don&#8217;t care what he has done in the UN, it doesn&#8217;t qualify him in Politics. As for that Hipkins, he is a little creep, such a cocky little Mr No all, that knows nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/11/editorials_all_say_early_vote_was_a_mistake.html/comment-page-1#comment-1051538</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The vote has had the desired effect for Shearer.

I saw Cunliffe coming through Auckland Airport last night and he was exhausted.  He told someone beside him that it was the hardest day of his life and that he is over it. Cunliffe will be back at Boston Consuting in no time.  He will make three times what Parliament pays. 

He has young kids.  Why fly to Wellington every to be insulted by a r*nt like Hipkins?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The vote has had the desired effect for Shearer.</p>
<p>I saw Cunliffe coming through Auckland Airport last night and he was exhausted.  He told someone beside him that it was the hardest day of his life and that he is over it. Cunliffe will be back at Boston Consuting in no time.  He will make three times what Parliament pays. </p>
<p>He has young kids.  Why fly to Wellington every to be insulted by a r*nt like Hipkins?</p>
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		<title>By: pq</title>
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		<dc:creator>pq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 08:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[look like a NZ Nat Govt third term 2014 to me,
 place you bets here. and remember I am stupid but i make money,
place bets now $1000 honoured with Fararr. 
bet on Labour win $1000,
 where are you weaklings like Trotter, bet here]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>look like a NZ Nat Govt third term 2014 to me,<br />
 place you bets here. and remember I am stupid but i make money,<br />
place bets now $1000 honoured with Fararr.<br />
bet on Labour win $1000,<br />
 where are you weaklings like Trotter, bet here</p>
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		<title>By: hj</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/11/editorials_all_say_early_vote_was_a_mistake.html/comment-page-1#comment-1051507</link>
		<dc:creator>hj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 07:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There seem to be some events that are treated like the breaching of a dam/ crossing of a rubicon.... set the panic buttons blaring. In this case it is an appeal to centrist working class.
Funny how NZ First has been &lt;i&gt;sitting&lt;/i&gt; on the reports of the Australian Productivity Commision and Savings Working Group. Now if they were in a coalition government....?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There seem to be some events that are treated like the breaching of a dam/ crossing of a rubicon&#8230;. set the panic buttons blaring. In this case it is an appeal to centrist working class.<br />
Funny how NZ First has been <i>sitting</i> on the reports of the Australian Productivity Commision and Savings Working Group. Now if they were in a coalition government&#8230;.?</p>
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		<title>By: hj</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/11/editorials_all_say_early_vote_was_a_mistake.html/comment-page-1#comment-1051503</link>
		<dc:creator>hj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 07:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TV One &quot;and the people in his [C&#039;s} electorate that we spoke to were dissapointed...&quot;  #1 &quot;I think he got a raw deal&quot; #2, #3, #4... there that proved it]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TV One &#8220;and the people in his [C&#8217;s} electorate that we spoke to were dissapointed&#8230;&#8221;  #1 &#8220;I think he got a raw deal&#8221; #2, #3, #4&#8230; there that proved it</p>
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		<title>By: Pauleastbay</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/11/editorials_all_say_early_vote_was_a_mistake.html/comment-page-1#comment-1051441</link>
		<dc:creator>Pauleastbay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 05:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Everyone voted for David Shearer, yesterday. They would of been to scared to not vote for him, in case he sacked them. How is that a democracy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Remember you are dealing with the species homopolitician, a bred not known for having anything resembling a spine, a species particuarly adept at realising that they depend on a gravey train. A species able to breath and survive while having there mouth and nose planted firmly up someone elses arse, where even the males of the species have nothing resembling a pair of nuts.  Scum- first foremost and last.

There is not one person in that labour rabble excepting O&#039;Connor who remotely appears as likeable, they just look like and appear to be fucking horrible human beings]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Everyone voted for David Shearer, yesterday. They would of been to scared to not vote for him, in case he sacked them. How is that a democracy.</p></blockquote>
<p>Remember you are dealing with the species homopolitician, a bred not known for having anything resembling a spine, a species particuarly adept at realising that they depend on a gravey train. A species able to breath and survive while having there mouth and nose planted firmly up someone elses arse, where even the males of the species have nothing resembling a pair of nuts.  Scum- first foremost and last.</p>
<p>There is not one person in that labour rabble excepting O&#8217;Connor who remotely appears as likeable, they just look like and appear to be fucking horrible human beings</p>
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		<title>By: Nostalgia-NZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nostalgia-NZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 05:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lee C (4,438) Says: 
November 21st, 2012 at 3:52 pm

&#039;If Shearer hadn’t acted, they would be running the same story, basically.&#039;

I get that impression as well, something along the lines of striking while the iron is hot.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee C (4,438) Says:<br />
November 21st, 2012 at 3:52 pm</p>
<p>&#8216;If Shearer hadn’t acted, they would be running the same story, basically.&#8217;</p>
<p>I get that impression as well, something along the lines of striking while the iron is hot.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross12</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sparky  -- those that voted for him just because they thought might otherwise &quot;be sacked&quot; are just gutless. 

 The editorials and many of the commentators such as Brian Edwards and co are just p....d off because they got it horribly wrong with their &quot;predictions&quot; and have been shown up as not being in the know as much as they would like to think are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sparky  &#8212; those that voted for him just because they thought might otherwise &#8220;be sacked&#8221; are just gutless. </p>
<p> The editorials and many of the commentators such as Brian Edwards and co are just p&#8230;.d off because they got it horribly wrong with their &#8220;predictions&#8221; and have been shown up as not being in the know as much as they would like to think are.</p>
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		<title>By: sparky</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/11/editorials_all_say_early_vote_was_a_mistake.html/comment-page-1#comment-1051380</link>
		<dc:creator>sparky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 03:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everyone voted for David Shearer, yesterday. They would of been to scared to not vote for him, in case he sacked them. How is that a democracy. Totally wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone voted for David Shearer, yesterday. They would of been to scared to not vote for him, in case he sacked them. How is that a democracy. Totally wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: bhudson</title>
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		<dc:creator>bhudson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 03:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;If a vote is triggered in February, then I’d say it would be Cunliffe vs Robertson.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hence why Cunliffe’s supporters are laying it on so thick that the anti-democratic behaviour by Camp Shearer has been driven by Mallard, Robertson, Goff and King. They want the the 60% of the weighted vote outside of caucus thinking that Robertson has been trying to subvert the democratic shift that party members voted for on the weekend.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>If a vote is triggered in February, then I’d say it would be Cunliffe vs Robertson.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hence why Cunliffe’s supporters are laying it on so thick that the anti-democratic behaviour by Camp Shearer has been driven by Mallard, Robertson, Goff and King. They want the the 60% of the weighted vote outside of caucus thinking that Robertson has been trying to subvert the democratic shift that party members voted for on the weekend.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 02:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this is starting to look like a story the media is so in love with that it just can&#039;t and doesn&#039;t want to, let go of it.

I think it loves the narrative of &#039;nice&#039; Shearer and &#039;machiavellian&#039; Cunliffe, and nothing either of them do will dislodge that view.

If Shearer hadn&#039;t acted, they would be running the same story, basically.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is starting to look like a story the media is so in love with that it just can&#8217;t and doesn&#8217;t want to, let go of it.</p>
<p>I think it loves the narrative of &#8216;nice&#8217; Shearer and &#8216;machiavellian&#8217; Cunliffe, and nothing either of them do will dislodge that view.</p>
<p>If Shearer hadn&#8217;t acted, they would be running the same story, basically.</p>
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		<title>By: BeaB</title>
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		<dc:creator>BeaB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 02:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Poor bumbleface Shearer pleaded, &quot;Like me, please like me&quot;. Not the look of a leader easy in his own strength. 

Can you imagine John Key prostrating himself like this? 
Not in a thousand years. He sees them off quickly and cleanly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor bumbleface Shearer pleaded, &#8220;Like me, please like me&#8221;. Not the look of a leader easy in his own strength. </p>
<p>Can you imagine John Key prostrating himself like this?<br />
Not in a thousand years. He sees them off quickly and cleanly.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ross Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 02:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David Shearer is an inherently decent guy in the Bill Rowlings mold in wrong place at the wrong time.

History could well judge him as one of the best PMs that Labour never had much like Jim McClay for the Nats.

Meanwhile it&#039;s full steam ahead as Cunliffe and his little helpers head off down the branch line going left leving middle New Zeland with only one choice and wondering who the hell dreamed up that clusterfuck of a housing policy ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Shearer is an inherently decent guy in the Bill Rowlings mold in wrong place at the wrong time.</p>
<p>History could well judge him as one of the best PMs that Labour never had much like Jim McClay for the Nats.</p>
<p>Meanwhile it&#8217;s full steam ahead as Cunliffe and his little helpers head off down the branch line going left leving middle New Zeland with only one choice and wondering who the hell dreamed up that clusterfuck of a housing policy &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Reid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 02:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Labour is in the midst of a power struggle between those who recognise that spending promises have to be paid for and those who do not understand that capital and skills are mobile. &lt;/i&gt;

OK but Cunliffe also knows they have to be paid for. Which means for his personal ambition he&#039;s promising things he knows will damage the country. What a Silent-T.

According to Hootten on RadioNZ Monday Politics, Cunliffe&#039;s has had that nickname all his life, not just when he entered politics. I wonder if that will ever be a question in the Stuff politics quiz? Let&#039;s hope so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Labour is in the midst of a power struggle between those who recognise that spending promises have to be paid for and those who do not understand that capital and skills are mobile. </i></p>
<p>OK but Cunliffe also knows they have to be paid for. Which means for his personal ambition he&#8217;s promising things he knows will damage the country. What a Silent-T.</p>
<p>According to Hootten on RadioNZ Monday Politics, Cunliffe&#8217;s has had that nickname all his life, not just when he entered politics. I wonder if that will ever be a question in the Stuff politics quiz? Let&#8217;s hope so.</p>
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