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Shearer…march to the podium, tear up his speech, ignore the autocue, and say …
“Fuck it, let’s tell the truth. We’ve failed you for four years, and you’re frustrated with that failure, and so am I, and it’s time we faced up to it.
I’m tired of trying to say what somebody else in the caucus wants me to say, and then saying something different later, and ending up saying nothing and going nowhere, that’s not why I returned to this country and got into politics, so here’s what I really feel, and you can decide if you want to hear it, and if you don’t, get somebody else – but at least you’ll know where I stand …”
Australian banks made $772 profit for every person in New Zealand this year – with a large chunk of it heading over the Tasman.
The “super” profits have sparked outcry from unions and the Greens –
– who say the big four Australian banks are milking the New Zealand economy.
The question the Greens should really ask, to start with, is –
How do interest rates and fees for ordinary customers in Australia compare to those in New Zealand?
He is said to give his ministers a lot of freedom and is very relaxed with them, right up to the time he needs to be ruthless, as one insider put it.
Like a soft parent, he doesn’t do a lot of reprimanding of ministers, so that when it does happen, it carries a lot of force.
Key is emphatic that he will fight the 2014 election, dismissing claims by commentators that he has somehow lost his mojo. But that doesn’t stop him talking about legacies.
A masterpiece of dissembling from Young. In the first sentence she reminds us he’s ruthless and therefore not very nice – to contradict his public image. In the second she says he’s soft and NZer’s hate soft PM’s. That’s one main reason why English never got any traction and is the main reason why Rowling never did either. All our leaders always have a streak of hardness. In the third she pretends he might not hang around.
But as storm clouds gather over his leadership, it is shaping as possibly his last.
Members, activists and unionists contacted for this article said over and over that the speech at the Ellerslie racecourse conference centre next Sunday was crucial to Shearer’s grip on the leadership.
His first priority is to convince the party rank and file that “he has what it takes” – and those grassroots members will be looking for a hard-hitting address taking the fight to the Government while outlining a clear and personal view of where he intends to take Labour
Unless he can carry that off, the groundswell in the party is set to break into the open with a push for a leadership challenge, most likely when the caucus meets in February – or even sooner, according to one business lobbyist in close contact with the party.
And Duncan Garner and Colin James have just discussed the same on The Nation.
The Labour conference will be a high pressure occasion for Shearer, perhaps make or break. That doesn’t make it easy for him to come across naturally and express an open and honest self.
It wouldn’t surprise me if the Obama team brought this to light. They are proficient at this. In fact, Obama wouldn’t have got anywhere politically if David Axelrod had not repeatedly dug up divorce records etc of anyone Obama was running against.
Obama’s usual campaign method, used in 100 percent of his races, has been to pry into the private records of his opponents.
Let’s take a romp down memory lane and review the typical Obama campaign strategy. Obama became a U.S. senator only by virtue of David Axelrod’s former employer, the Chicago Tribune, ripping open the sealed divorce records of Obama’s two principal opponents.
One month before the 2004 Democratic primary for the U.S. Senate, Obama was down in the polls, about to lose to Blair Hull, a multimillionaire securities trader. But then the Chicago Tribune leaked the claim that Hull’s second ex-wife, Brenda Sexton, had sought an order of protection against him during their 1998 divorce proceedings.
Those records were under seal, but as The New York Times noted: “The Tribune reporter who wrote the original piece later acknowledged in print that the Obama camp had ‘worked aggressively behind the scenes’ to push the story.” Many people said Axelrod had “an even more significant role — that he leaked the initial story.”
Both Hull and his ex-wife opposed releasing their sealed divorce records, but they finally relented in response to the media’s hysteria — 18 days before the primary. Hull was forced to spend four minutes of a debate detailing the abuse allegation in his divorce papers, explaining that his ex-wife “kicked me in the leg and I hit her shin to try to get her to not continue to kick me.”
After having held a substantial lead just a month before the primary, Hull’s campaign collapsed with the chatter about his divorce. Obama sailed to the front of the pack and won the primary. Hull finished third with 10 percent of the vote.
As luck would have it, Obama’s opponent in the general election had also been divorced! Jack Ryan was tall, handsome, Catholic — and shared a name with one of Harrison Ford’s most popular onscreen characters! He went to Dartmouth, Harvard Law and Harvard Business School, made hundreds of millions of dollars as a partner at Goldman Sachs, and then, in his early 40s, left investment banking to teach at an inner city school on the South Side of Chicago.
Ryan would have walloped Obama in the Senate race. But at the request of — again — the Chicago Tribune, California Judge Robert Schnider unsealed the custody papers in Ryan’s divorce five years earlier from Hollywood starlet Jeri Lynn Ryan, the bombshell Borg on “Star Trek: Voyager.”
Jack Ryan had released his tax records. He had released his divorce records. But both he and his ex-wife sought to keep the custody records under seal to protect their son.
Amid the 400 pages of filings from the custody case, Jack Ryan claimed that his wife had had an affair, and she counterclaimed with the allegation that he had taken her to “sex clubs” in Paris, New York and New Orleans, which drove her to fall in love with another man.
(Republicans: If you plan a career in public office, please avoid marrying a wacko.)
Ryan had vehemently denied her allegations at the time, but it didn’t matter. The sex club allegations aired on “Entertainment Tonight,” “NBC Nightly News,” ABC’s “Good Morning America,” “The Tonight Show With Jay Leno,” and NBC’s “Today” show. CNN covered the story like it was the first moon landing.
(Interestingly, international papers also were ablaze with the story — the same newspapers that were supposed to be so bored with American sexual mores during Bill Clinton’s sex scandal.)
Four days after Judge Schnider unsealed the custody records, Ryan dropped out of the race for the horror of (allegedly) propositioning his own wife and then taking “no” for an answer.
Alan Keyes stepped in as a last-minute Republican candidate.
And that’s how Obama became a U.S. senator. He destroyed both his Democratic primary opponent and his Republican general election opponent with salacious allegations about their personal lives taken from “sealed” court records.
Obama’s team delved into Sarah Palin’s marriage and spread rumors of John McCain’s alleged affair in 2008 and they smeared Herman Cain in 2011 with hazy sexual harassment allegations all emanating from David Axelrod’s pals in Chicago.
It’s almost like a serial killer’s signature. Unsealed personal records have been released to the press. Obama must be running for office!
They didn’t have anything on Romney though, because he was so clean-cut, so they went after his tax records.
Sofia, the stupidity of that article about profits made by Australian banks in NZ, is that it neglects one very important point – How much of that profit was returned to New Zealanders by way of dividends.
I personally received far more than the $772 quoted, by way of dividend, as will have many other kiwis that hold stock in the banks. What about all the Kiwisaver funds that hold stock in the big 4 aussie banks?
This is where the fuckwits that pass for journalists in this country really fail the people. Just printing a Green party press release, without any economic understanding or considering the flipside. Somebody needs to call them out on this.
Re Bob Parker for Mayor..he’s history..toast next years election, him and his bum buddy Tony Marryott have basically been running the show between the two of them and showing a single finger to the ratepayers and Councillors of Christchurch when questioned.
Sorry Bob, Tony..your services are no longer required come 2013. Good riddance and don’t let the door hit both your arses on the way out.
“Fuck it, let’s tell the truth. We’ve failed you for four years, and you’re frustrated with that failure, and so am I, and it’s time we faced up to it….”
They’ve failed us since Douglas left and it’s time they faced up to it!
Labour talk about ‘poverty’ being the underpinning fact in all negative statistics in society, however the poorest youth in NZ are actually ALL at university. Students have next to no income, massive debt, and face the probability of no job in a weakening economy when they leave our universties. From a business point of view, that is a lot of risk on their table. And only business can help fix that.
Poor people under the Clarke Labour government, and when the international market economy was pissing down money, had no net wealth then, so they will certainly not be any better off under the next tax spending labour government in the current international economic enviroment.
Manolo, I agree, it would have been helpful had he written the correct ticket, however the whining of a 33 year old skateboarder who shouldn’t have been skating in the CBD is pathetic. To “Boltme”: You WERE actually in the wrong. Always amazes me how these kind of halfwits whinge to the paper. You got let off the ticket – it was a mistake. What a non story. Yawn…
PS: I must admit an immediate feeling of irritation with a 33 year old skateboarder who has changed his name to “Boltme”… lol
‘After seeing a picture of the individual concerned, this is not the person I identified by a photograph presented to me by the police in the early 1990s, who told me the man in the photograph was Lord McAlpine.’
So the media is now spinning the line that it was all false – which is how they’ll make it go away. Isn’t that clever.
Manolo, people who think need to ask themselves, why would anyone resign these days apart from a politician, because they had an extra-marital affair. I mean so what, is the reaction of most people today.
why would anyone resign these days apart from a politician, because they had an extra-marital affair.
Because they hold a position where sound judgement, and the perception of having sound judgement, is important to the role, the respect of the employees, the respect of the public and respect for the institution
As Glenn Beck correctly predicted from day one, Obama is following the plan of Cloward & Piven, two professors at Columbia University. They outlined a plan to socialize America by overwhelming the system with government spending and entitlement demands. Add up the clues below. Taken individually they’re alarming. Taken as a whole, it is a brilliant, Machiavellian game plan to turn the United States into a socialist/Marxist state with a permanent majority that desperately needs government for survival … and can be counted on to always vote for bigger government. Why not? They have no responsibility to pay for it.
This week Michele Hewitson’s weekly Interview page in the “Weekend Herald” is devoted 100% to one media person (Hewitson)) interviewing another media person (Cameron Bennett). “… I was after a story about his own glittering career.”
In their endless quest for trivia, do our media never deviate from their inane, disproportionate and tiresome adulation of supposed celebrity?
questions (65) Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
No common sense needed, skate boards, bikes, roller blades, (shoes?), are not required to have WOF’s, the officer acted entirely unlawfully in giving the ticket.
Absolutely – of course a skateboard doesn’t need a WOF – however, how did the officer act unlawfully exactly? He made a mistake – the ticket is null, but it’s not “unlawful”.
One Network News reports a survey returned overwhelming support for retaining the monarch as sovereign. Support for a republic dropped to only 19%. Good to see JK once again expressing unequivocal support for retaining the monarchy.
A woman didn’t come home one night. The next day she
told her husband that she had slept over at a girlfriend’s
house. The man called his wife’s 10 best friends.
None of them knew anything about it.
Friendship Between Men:
A man didn’t come home one night. The next day he told his
wife that he had slept over at a mate’s house. The woman
called her husband’s 10 best friends. Eight of them confirmed
that he had slept over, and two claimed that he was still there.
Once upon a time there was a schoolboy who went by the name of Sindafella, and he was soon going to attend his first formal school ball. He lived with his mum and he was gay.
On the day of the school ball he approached his mum and said “Mum, I don’t have anything to wear.” His mum being the mum she was, threw some star dust in the air and POOF – Sindafella was spontanously dressed in a pair of electric blue rhinestone spangled underpants and a pair of red cordial coloured chapps. In his mouth was a flourescent green dummy.
Stuck in his arse was an orange coloured butt plug. As he was about to wave his mother good-bye she said “Enjoy your school ball Sindafella but remember, if you attempt to take out that butt plug or if you don’t return home by midnight, then it will turn into a 3kg pumpkin.” Sindafella acknowledged the advice, waved his mother good-bye, and minced off to the ball.
Midnight came and went, the hands of the clock went through 2am, then 4am, and at 6am in marched Sindafella. His mother being concerned said “Sindafella I am beside myself, are you O.K?” He replied “Yes mum I couldn’t be happier, I have meet a lovely male friend.”
Anyway Nasska, that is the original story of Cinderella and how nursery rhymes came to include peter peter pumpkin eater.
Almost two years ago, I disclosed that Barack Obama had shocked Washington, D.C. insiders by firing his White House Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel, and sending him packing back to Chicago. It was, after all, billionaire Jews that were the mentors and money men for Obama. Yet, here he was asserting his independence from the Zionists…
Sources reveal that the draft report entitled “Preparing for a Post-Israel Middle East,” currently in form as a “talking paper,” formulated by the US Intelligence Community, is in fact making the rounds in Washington. The Neocons and Israel are crazed in anger because of the negative implications of this report for the Zionist Middle East and global agendas. What is in the report reveals what many of the loyal, pro-American Intel specialists in D.C., in the academic community, and among the Pentagon’s military brass privately think and are saying.
President Obama’s actions in refusing to attack Iran and in snubbing Netanyahu, and those of the Chairman of the JCS, General Martin Dempsey, in putting Netanyahu and the IDF in their place, give credence to the fact that America’s attitude and foreign policy strategy regarding Israel is rapidly changing…
…Even if this “talking paper” draft were eventually derailed and discarded as a result of the Zionists’ ongoing frantic efforts to kill it, its draft form would still bear legitimacy because it was originated by respected professionals in the US Intelligence Community, among which are pro-American elements vociferously opposed to Netanyahu and the Israeli crazies. In any event, the findings of the report are critical in that Israel is characterized as both a liability and as a drain on American resources and credibility in the Middle East region and across the globe….
Asking the HARD questions from inside this ‘public’ meeting.
Given Mr Ansell’s background in the ACT Party, how come this ‘ONE LAW FOR ALL’ that Mr Ansell purportedly supports hasn’t applied to the former and current ACT Party Leaders Don Brash and John Banks, who as former fellow Directors of Huljich Wealth Management (NZ) Ltd, equally signed Huljich Kiwisaver Scheme Registered Prospectuses dated 22 August 2008 and 18 September 2009, which contained untrue statements, but were never charged by any regulatory body for this strict liability offence? (s.58(3) of the Securities Act).
For God’s sake woman, what the fuck is wrong with you?
You have raised your ACT Party, ‘ONE LAW FOR ALL’ having not applied to the former and current ACT Party Leaders Don Brash and John Banks, who as former fellow Directors of Huljich Wealth Management (NZ) Ltd, equally signed Huljich Kiwisaver Scheme Registered Prospectuses dated 22 August 2008 and 18 September 2009, which contained untrue statements, but were never charged by any regulatory body for this strict liability offence? (s.58(3) of the Securities Act).
• with the SFO
• the Finance Markets Authority (FMA)
• the former Securities Commission who FIVE times went to Crown Law for advice and FOUR times to an independent QC for advice
• the New Zealand Police
• and Petition 2011/5 of Penelope Mary Bright and 307 others, to the Commerce Select Committee of the New Zealand Parliament and have exonerated John Banks in each of these considerations of your accusations
Penny, you have completely cleared John Banks of any wrongdoing in connection with the Huljich Kiwisaver Scheme Registered Prospectuses dated 22 August 2008 and 18 September 2009
To now continue to seek to change these firm legal opinions which you have elicited from each of these authorities can only lead to the conclusion that you, Penny, are suffering from some mental disposition that is hampering your personal growth.
In that most people who do one thing and get a certain result, repeat the same action and get yet the same fucking result once more, they then tend to move one – change their game plan. Try it, Penny, for our sake, God’s sake, and your own preservation of sanity. Penny, stop being so batshit gay about John Banks. Move 0n …
Joana – If John Banks is in court this week in relation to Dotcom, that may be new and of interest, but the matter referred to above, the Huljich Kiwisaver Scheme Registered Prospectuses, has been examined at Penny’s instigation by FIVE authorities, each establishing John Banks has nothing to answer. There is nothing trite in that, nor in saying now regarding those matters, move on.
The Police Report on Bank’s mayor campaign returns does show an inaccurate return was made and signed by Banks. The problem there is that the Opposition, including Winston, lack the intelligence to frame a Parliamentary Question to reveal that, and his evasion in asking for a donation to be made in $25,000 amounts to be ‘lost’ or ‘anonymous’ among the others he knew to be there.
That is an entirely different matter to Penny’s Huljich obsession – and it is revealed as an obsession since she continues to mention it after she has had FIVE authorities clear Banks’ name.
Well said Yvette. Go back to the water turning on thing Penny. That’s a protest worth following up on. This because you’re attacking a philosophy not one person who has been exonerated by everyone including Santa.