General Debate 13 November 2012

November 13th, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Peter (1,700 comments) says:

    Boom shanka

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  2. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    When will the news break? Shearer standing down, Cunliffe to lead Labour

    Or will Labour break down some more by repeating and continuing failures.

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  3. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Come on Neolibs, pay your bets.

    Romney got thumped.

    I remember Redbaiter trying to tell me that Paul Ryan was a genius.

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  4. Don the Kiwi (1,706 comments) says:

    Rumours of some states wanting to secede from the union – Texas, Arizona, Louisiana……time will tell.

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  5. Elaycee (4,377 comments) says:

    Leftards who en bloc voted Len Brown into the Auckland Mayoralty, have another reason to hold their heads in shame.

    Brown’s latest cock-up: A Car Parking building in Manukau City (heavily promoted by Loony Len and built at a cost of $14 Million of ratepayer money) has a total capacity of 680 spaces but an occupancy rate of only 13%. Parking rates have even been slashed to $1 per hour and $4 per day (earlybird) in an effort to attract customers. But it still hasn’t worked. Yet Len is unrepentant:

    “This project is an investment in the future of Manukau City along with the neighbouring train station and MIT campus currently being built,” he said. “It is an example of our commitment to our growing metropolitan centres across Auckland.”

    A planned $6 million expansion of the carpark has been cancelled.

    Thanks, Len. This fiasco is reason 2,784 why you should never have been allowed to (temporarily) take the reins of our largest City. Your ‘credibility’ has sunk to a fresh nadir.

    You should never be allowed near the City’s cheque book again – unless accompanied by an adult.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10846957

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  6. Fletch (6,296 comments) says:

    Could it really happen?

    According to Daily Caller, there are petitions afoot in 19 States in America to secede from the Union.

    How would Old Glory look with 30 stars instead of 50? As far-fetched as it may sound, the White House might soon be forced by its own rules to examine the question.

    On Nov.7, the day after President Barack Obama was re-elected, the White House’s website received a petition asking the administration to allow Louisiana to secede.

    If 25,000 people sign the petition by Dec. 7, it will “require a response” from the Obama administration, according to published rules of the White House’s online “We the People” program.

    The Louisiana petition has collected more than 12,300 signatures in four days. A separate effort from Texas has 15,400 supporters.

    Similar petitions from 18 other states began arriving Nov. 9, bringing the total — for the moment — to 20.

    The White House website publicly displays petitions that have attracted at least 150 signers.

    “Michael E” from the New Orleans suburb of Slidell penned the initial proposal — the website doesn’t provide last names — in which he asked the Obama administration to “[p]eacefully grant the State of Louisiana to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government.”

    His entire petition consisted of excerpts from the Declaration of Independence.

    “Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,” one portion read, “that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and institute new Government.”

    “Micah H” from Arlington, Texas submitted the petition on behalf of the Lone Star State.

    “The US continues to suffer economic difficulties stemming from the federal government’s neglect to reform domestic and foreign spending,” he wrote.

    Texas, he added, “maintains a balanced budget and is the 15th largest economy in the world,” making it “practically feasible for Texas to withdraw from the union.”

    What began as a pair of parallel stunts appears to have gathered steam. Other than Louisiana and Texas, states with secession-related petitions pending on the White House website now include Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina and Tennessee.

    Three states — Georgia, Missouri and South Carolina are each represented by two competing petitions.

    While most of the petitions mimic the Louisiana effort’s tribute to the Declaration of Independence, Montana’s and Florida’s focus on the same quoted line from Benjamin Franklin: “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

    And a few abandon the Founding Fathers entirely, going off instead on their own less poetic tangents.

    “The Federal Government has imposed policies on Oregon that are not in Oregon’s best intrests [sic],” reads one submitted by “Kristopher W” of Tillamook, Oregon. ”[A]nd we as citizens would respectively and peacably [sic] seperate [sic] ourselves from a tyranical [sic] Government who cares nothing about creating a sustainable future for our children.”

    “just like in 1860,” reads one of the two petitions submitted on behalf of the citizens of Georgia, “the south secede [sic] from the union.”

    “kyle. r” from Cornelia, Georgia added only that in “2012 the state of georgia [sic] would like to withdraw from the USA.”

    “Jason  B” from Harrowgate, Tennessee volunteered only a few words to describe his request for a license to secede. “Helping the people of Tennessee,” he wrote. And nothing more.

    The petitions that followed those from Louisiana and Texas have attracted between 300 and 4,000. Their chances to land on a White House staffer’s desk, probably for a polite guffaw, will expire between Dec. 9 and Dec. 11.

    The White House did not respond to emails seeking comment.

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/11/white-house-website-deluged-with-secession-petitions-from-19-states/

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  7. David Farrar (1,889 comments) says:

    By the way I am aware of bug which is placing lots of white space below the first post. Have asked techos to look at a fix.

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  8. eszett (2,401 comments) says:

    Calm down, Don and Fletch, grab a cuppa before you get all too excited.

    Happens after every election.

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/secission-petitions-filed-20-states-190210006.html

    Here is the same thing after the 2004 election, just from the other side.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2004/11/could_the_blue_states_secede.html

    Just a case of sore losers, so not really a surprise that you jump right on to it.

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  9. iMP (2,366 comments) says:

    Nah, think its more this time Eszett. There is growing discontent with Federal largess. here’s some good oil on the subject.

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/could-the-usa-breakup/
    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2012/11/12/15-states-join-growing-secession-talk/

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  10. eszett (2,401 comments) says:

    Sore-Loser-Wishful-Thinking Syndrome, iMP. Nothing more.

    But hey, if it makes you feel better, I don’t want to burst your bubble.

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  11. flipper (3,991 comments) says:

    Let’s revert, momentarily, to the ETS scam and the criminally insane faction :) that still believe in AGW/CC (see also today’s Stuff for more red melon propaganda) and their main “booster”, the IPCC.

    This from Climate Conversation:

    Veiling an inconvenient truth
    Richard Treadgold| November 12, 2012
    – from a reviewer of the IPCC’s Fifth Assessment Report, in preparation.
    Because of the IPCC’s assinine restrictions against early disclosure, this climate scientist cannot be identified.
    I’m reviewing the 5AR WG I contribution.
    The only thing that should scare the wits out of anyone is how blinkered and defensive the IPCC is.
    Something is very seriously wrong when it’s not until Chapter 10 – which means about 600 or more pages into the finished report – that we find the comment that there’s been no significant warming since 1998.
    (Actually that’s wrong. It’s easy to show that the trend in HadCRUT3 monthly data from January 1997 to July 2012 is flat.)
    I saw no mention of this astonishing admission in
    (a) the Summary for Policy Makers (SPM).
    (b) Chapter 1, which summarises the science.
    (c) Chapter 2, which deals with the atmosphere and surface temperatures.
    Why is this stunning refutation of previous IPCC forecasts of strong warming driven by rising levels of CO2 hidden away in Chapter 10?
    It really is shocking how far the IPCC will go to show warming where none exists.
    Responses to “Veiling an inconvenient truth”

    Peter Fraser says:

    Does this mean AGW is a flatliner? to use the paramedics term Unfortunately I think not. Even thirty years of flat lining will not convince the more rabid warmists, ten years of decline may go some way to quietening them Here is hoping.

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  12. dime (9,868 comments) says:

    “I remember Redbaiter trying to tell me that Paul Ryan was a genius”

    He is :)

    but under your logic, all of the greens must be stupid fucks cause they have never had power.

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  13. Carlos (682 comments) says:

    Key’s poster girl finds life much better in Australia

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10846947

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  14. hj (6,922 comments) says:

    The employment contracts act was seen as a blow to the worker, the blow being from the employer. Nobody considered that given a lack of channeling of worker opinion stubble on the face trendy Pooh bah types would fill the seat taken by the people who drive the buses, undo the nuts and bolts and hammer the nails.
    On the shop floor those dorks at the Standard would go head first into the dumpster.

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  15. dime (9,868 comments) says:

    Carlos – LMAO

    Ms Spashett said Aroha was working in Melbourne and she and Stuart were doing “really, really well over there”.

    And thats enough for a herald headline and story. Thats some quality journalism right there

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  16. Viking2 (11,417 comments) says:

    along with about 250 000 others in the last three years.

    How well is NZ doing again?

    Well Airnz is doing ok from emmigrants and family going visiting. 8O

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  17. Carlos (682 comments) says:

    @ dime

    Exactly! They just put in a lot of guess work as to how well she’s doing. The girl wouldn’t even take their calls. Lol!

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  18. Griff (7,519 comments) says:

    @flipper

    “It’s easy to show that the trend in HadCRUT3 monthly data from January 1997 to July 2012 is flat.)”

    ???? only if you ignore the small rise
    What you really mean too say is the record temperature of 1998 is now totally normal
    To cherry pick one small section of a trend to make noise about and ignore everything else is a typical denial propaganda tactic
    How do you explain the ice melt, warming seas, changes in ecology permafrost shrinking still happening. You don’t you just want to spin statistics Graphic for the mentally challenged http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/NCDC_Escalator.gif

    “ETS scam and the criminally insane faction that still believe in AGW/CC (see also today’s Stuff for more red melon propaganda) and their main “booster”, the IPCC.”

    Lets blame political party’s governmental departments and international organisations for producing science we don’t agree with. Totally ignoring that the majority of scientists are not political animals. Make a case for this global conspirawacky you so love Nutter then swap it for one of reids. :grin:

    “Does this mean AGW is a flatliner? to use the paramedics term Unfortunately I think not. Even thirty years of flat lining will not convince the more rabid warmists, ten years of decline may go some way to quietening them Here is hoping.”

    Sixty years of scientifically predicted rising temperatures have not convinced the denial echo chamber :lol: Have a close look at your own standard of proof

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  19. jaba (2,137 comments) says:

    IT’S A 1/4 TO 11 .. has Shearer decided to resign from the leadership yet .. I mean Herr Klark is in town??

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  20. David Garrett (7,112 comments) says:

    Grant Robertson: “I support David 100%”…..that means “gone by lunchtime” doesn’t it?

    Time for a post on the subject from you DPF….

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  21. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    Grant didn’t say which David.

    jaba – it’s a waiting game now. Shearer and the other MPs made standard multi-meaning denials this morning, so it’s anyones’s guess what’s going on – but it must be a very interesting caucus. If Shearer is really in denial as he made out and leadership is not on their agenda at all. It has to be discussed, so implying it wouldn’t is a fib for a start. If not it means there’s a huge elephant in the caucus room.

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  22. Redbaiter (8,554 comments) says:

    “I remember Redbaiter trying to tell me that Paul Ryan was a genius.””

    I am afraid you’re very mistaken.

    I have never shilled for the Republican Party, or had much time for its selections, and I consider it as lost in its original purpose as the NZ Nationals.

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  23. dime (9,868 comments) says:

    NO ONE is as right wing as redbaiter. NO ONE GETS IT!!!!

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  24. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    Shearer disses and dismisses the baying bloggers as he continues to aggravate his and Labour’s ex-supporters: Labour’s ‘whispering’ wolves are howling.

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  25. wreck1080 (3,885 comments) says:

    Gen. David Petreaus could be charged with adultery. … didn’t know it was a crime in the USA (or military only?).

    Personally, if I was a soldier I’d want the best general — I assume Petreaus is the best. Crazy to get rid of him. Or, did this compromise him in some way?

    I just read the headlines and don’t really get the fuss.

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  26. RightNow (6,987 comments) says:

    Yes wreck, it has compromised him.

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  27. RightNow (6,987 comments) says:

    I predict Shearer isn’t going (at least not this weekend). I also surmise at least one blogger has profited on iPredict thanks to speculation about it.

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  28. RF (1,380 comments) says:

    Hang on Shearer is safe. According to him it’s only a few right wing bloggers that want him to go. Labour still loves him… Choke choke.

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  29. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    Only the politically naive look at Farrar’s blog and don’t see the calculation and dog-whistling behind every post…

    Any guesses which blogger would be that hypocritical? Don’t worry, be happy.

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  30. Viking2 (11,417 comments) says:

    Guys, suggestions for your wife for Xmas. (fun stuff)

    http://screencast.com/t/keY9E7OYM

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  31. Elaycee (4,377 comments) says:

    Bob Jones hits the nail on the head (again) with his column titled: It’s retarded and gay not to see funny side of life

    Warning: Put your coffee cup down before reading…. :D

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10846945

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  32. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Why have proven ‘anti-corruption’ civil society ‘whistleblowers not been invited to today’s launch of the NZ National Integrity System Assessment?

    http://www.victoria.ac.nz/home/viclife/events/conferences/new-zealand-national-integrity-system-assessment

    OPEN LETTER TO TRANSPARENCY INTERNATIONAL NZ, THE OFFICE OF THE AUDITOR-GENERAL, VICTORIA UNIVERSITY INSTITUTE FOR GOVERNANCE AND POLICY STUDIES:

    Today, in Wellington, you are ‘launching the New Zealand National Integrity System Assessment.
    Leading us into the future’.

    Your graphic illustrating ‘National Integrity Foundations’, covering ‘Politics – Society – Economy – Culture’ – shows thirteen ‘pillars’ upon which this ‘National Integrity’ is supposedly based.

    These thirteen pillars include:

    Legislature
    Executive
    Judiciary
    Public Sector
    Law Enforcement
    Electoral Management Body
    Ombudsman
    Audit Institution
    Anti-Corruptiion Agencies
    Political Parties
    Media
    Civil Society
    Business

    Having studied your programme, and having checked the backgrounds of your speakers and facilitators, I fail to see one person who could be said to represent ‘Civil Society’?

    (Perhaps not all ‘pillars’ are equal? Perhaps some ‘pillars’ are more significant than others?)

    I say this an a recognised ‘Anti-corruption activist’ / ‘Whistleblower’ who has attended two significant Anti-Corruption Conferences – the Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference in Brisbane in 2009, and the Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference in Bangkok in 2010.

    My track record is proven in fighting for a genuinely ‘open, transparent and accountable’ NZ local and central government and judiciary.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/central-leader/21588/Hubbard-defends-big-water-bills

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10602660

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10655565

    Had I known about this event – I would have made the effort to attend.
    Not only was I not notified – it was only by chance that I even discovered that it was happening.

    However, given my previous treatment by Transparency International NZ – I am not surprised that myself, and other ‘civil society / anti-corruption Public Watchdogs/ Whistleblowers’ were not notified.

    In 2009, not only did Transparency International NZ refuse to accept me (and others) as a member (no reasons were given), but at the November 2009 AGM, after being denied access to the TINZ AGM address by the Attorney-General (which was open to non-members), again – with no reasons given, myself and judicial ‘Public Watchdog’ – Vince Siemer, were arrested for trespass.

    http://kiwisfirst.co.nz/index.asp?PageID=2145845357#transparency-international-new-zealand

    “TRANSPARENCY INTERNATIONAL NEW ZEALAND ORDERS ARREST OF ANTI-CORRUPTION ADVOCATE

    11 December 2009

    In a stinging irony – on United Nations International Anti-Corruption Day no less – Chairman Gerald McGhie of Transparency International’s “autonomous” New Zealand chapter ordered Police to arrest public watchdog Penny Bright for trespassing at its Annual General Meeting on Wednesday. This was despite the government-funded group riding her coat-tails as a watchdog front ostensibly focused on increasing transparency and exposing corruption. Attendees were given pamphlets with the bold heading “CORRUPTION RUINS LIVES – FIGHT BACK”.
    ………………………….
    ________________________________________________________________________________________________

    The Police later dropped the charges – but what sort of purported ‘anti-corruption’ organisation treats genuine ‘anti-corruption activists’ like that?

    ______________________________________________________________________________________________

    It is with some concern that I note the prominent role being played in the establishment of this ‘National Integrity System’ by some of the major accountancy firms, such as Deloitte, KPMG, PwC – who arguably have a vested interest in New Zealand being ‘perceived’ as ‘the least corrupt country in the world’ – when the reality, in my considered opinion, is that New Zealand is actually a corrupt, polluted tax haven.

    For example – to whom is the money going in New Zealand in the establishment of ‘foreign trusts’?

    The role of international accountancy firms has been highlighted by internationally acknowledged experts such as Professor Prem Sikka, with whom I am in regular contact.

    http://www.publishwhatyoupay.no/conference/speaker/prem-sikka

    “Organisation: University of Essex (UK) and the Association for Accountancy Affairs (AABA)
    Prem Sikka is professor of Accounting at the University of Essex, UK. His research on accountancy, auditing, tax avoidance, tax havens, corporate governance, money laundering, insolvency and business affairs has been published in books, international scholarly journals, newspapers and magazines. He has appeared on radio and television programmes to comment on business matters.”

    _____________________________________________________________________________________________

    FYI – I have ‘blown the whistle’, nationally and internationally, and sent the following post around the world on 10 November 2012:

    To members of the international Tax Justice Network / separately to my latest Transparency International Secretariat and individual country ‘chapter’ list / to 70 World Bank folk whose addresses I found on the World Bank website / to all NZ MPs / to all Auckland Council elected reps (council + Local Boards) / NZ and some international media / NZ human rights groups …… etc….

    Transparency International were in the middle of their 15th International Anti-Corruption Conference, and should be announcing any time soon their 2012 ‘Corruption Perception Index’.

    (Which isn’t very transparent – given that it is based upon the subjective opinions of anonymous business people?)
    ……………………………………………….. ”

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  33. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    DICK MORRIS:

    Hillary Clinton let the cat out of the bag this week. She gave a speech at the global initiative — where she said that the elites of the world do not pay their fair share of taxes. She called for global tax reform to make sure that they do pay their fair share of taxes.

    Now what she is referring to is a proposal that is cooking its way up through the European Union and the United Nations. For the UN to impose a global tax on billionaires… it may go down to millionaires… but it is at least billionaires in its proposal.

    [The money] would then go to third world countries to fuel their corruption. Massive transfer of wealth. From people who earned it to people who are about to steal it.

    This is the beginning of Obama’s new second term move to give the UN power to tax the United States. And to force us to give foreign aid by taking our money.

    http://www.reagancoalition.com/articles/2012/20120925008-morris-un.html?fb_action_ids=10151021977247434&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=246965925417366

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  34. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Did Hillary step down for the second Obama administration ?

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  35. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    The Fed is underwriting TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS worth of nothing. Basically, Credit Default Swaps, Collaterallised Debt Obligations etc. If one bank, Bank of America, goes broke, Americans are on the hook for at least 75 TRILLION DOLLARS –
    http://seekingalpha.com/article/301260-bank-of-america-dumps-75-trillion-in-derivatives-on-u-s-taxpayers-with-federal-approval

    Remember where you read it. This is the REAL news

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  36. graham (2,333 comments) says:

    Pete, I very rarely read The Standard as you know, but for some reason I read that entry today. Allow me to respond to Eddie.

    Eddie, you may be pleased to know that I’m pretty damn angry too.

    I’m angry that you and your ilk constantly misrepresent and ouright lie about the facts to suit your own twisted world view. I’m angry that you constantly talk about ‘the elites’ or ‘the privileged’ and manage to infer that anyone who dares to commit the cardinal sin of disagreeing with you is portrayed as ‘elite’ or ‘privileged’. We’ve seen that attitude too many times over recent years. Anybody who disagrees with you, or even voices their support for someone you don’t like, is the enemy. (Darien Fenton versus The Mad Butcher, anybody?)

    I’m angry that you constantly make out that the only honest way to earn a crust is by the blood, sweat, and toil of a blue collar worker, and that anybody who works with their brains is somehow less valuable, if not outright worthless. Those of us who work hard, learn new skills, apply our intelligence and skills, study, and expend time and effort to upskill ourselves are worthless in your eyes. Somehow you manage to neatly sidestep the self-righteous prick that runs your website, the lawyer that works himself into apoplectic fits about those nasty righties, and the other regulars who have never worked at manual labour. They’re on your side, so that’s okay.

    And I’m angry that you constantly bemoan those evil bastard employers, but never ever give them credit for providing jobs, employment, and income; for paying a large chunk of taxes in this country; for basically making this country prosperous. I’m not an employer; I wouldn’t have the guts to take the risk that I might wind up with somebody who has an unrealistic sense of entitlement and an ingrained belief that he should be earning an inflated wage even if he hasn’t got a clue what he’s doing, and believes he’s doing me a favour by deigning to turn up to work.

    I’m angry, Eddie, that you … just … don’t … get … it.

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  37. graham (2,333 comments) says:

    Penny, you probably didn’t get invited because you don’t represent civil society, either.

    In order to represent anybody one must be willing to engage with the people they purport to represent. You don’t.

    Also, you’re not very civil.

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  38. David Garrett (7,112 comments) says:

    Ah Penny…my question again:

    “Do you derive any of your income from a government benefit?”

    In anticpation of your response, No, I dont, and never have.

    Waiting…………………………………………………………….

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  39. dime (9,868 comments) says:

    Hinu – Dick Morris is batshit crazy. He got burned by Clinton back in the day and its clouded his judgment ever since

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  40. dime (9,868 comments) says:

    hinu – from that seeking alpha article

    “Contrary to popular belief, which blames the global financial crisis on subprime borrowers, it was the derivatives, based upon the likelihood that those borrowers would pay their debts, that were the primary catalyst triggering the global economic crisis of 2008.”

    Thats like

    “contrary to popular belief, it wasnt Dime that bankrupted BNZ. It was their expectation that he would pay back the 3 billion he borrowed from them” :P

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  41. RRM (9,839 comments) says:

    :lol: BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! an important conference and, for some UNFATHOMABLE reason, nobody thought to invite Penny?

    It must be time for (yet) another great long passive-aggressive ‘open letter’ then! :-P

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  42. RRM (9,839 comments) says:

    (PS: And “dodgy John” has not gone – when are you going to update your patently false url Penny?)

    (I’m sure I’ve asked you about this before…)

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  43. dime (9,868 comments) says:

    Was listening to Radio Live driving back from lunch.

    I know this goes without saying but goddam willie is as thick as pig shit

    Also, what is with morons who think our prime minister is john KEYS? where the hell did the s come from? i guess they are the same sort of uneducated dimwits who pronounce TH as an F

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  44. Harriet (4,857 comments) says:

    “…..Police arrest public watchdog Penny Bright for trespassing…….what sort of purported ‘anti-corruption’ organisation treats genuine ‘anti-corruption activists’ like that?….”

    What you do Penny would not be classed as ‘activity’…….but rather…….crime! :cool:

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  45. David Garrett (7,112 comments) says:

    Dime: Spot on with both comments. Willie is indeed as thick as …moa shit. Before his ancestors wiped them all out, as part of the fantastic sustainable management of the environment demonstrated by the tangata whenua before the tangati tiriti came along and imposed their western cultural mores and…..sorry, wrong thread!

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  46. graham (2,333 comments) says:

    FYI – I have ‘blown the whistle’, nationally and internationally, and sent the following post around the world on 10 November 2012

    Now that’ll have ‘em shaking in their booties …

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  47. RightNow (6,987 comments) says:

    I sent a message around the world one. Well, I put a note in a bottle and chucked it in the sea when I was 9.
    I bet more people read mine.

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  48. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    This is hilarious. An Obama can with tin opener to help beg supplies from FEMA

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  49. Longknives (4,691 comments) says:

    Dime- That annoys the piss out of me as well. Almost as much as people who call Tui beer “Tuis”-“I’ll have a Tuis thanks”
    (Tui is horse piss anyway…)

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  50. Longknives (4,691 comments) says:

    Unless they are actually getting our Prime Minister mixed up with this guy-

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Keyes

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  51. Harriet (4,857 comments) says:

    First they came for a decent bloke like Shearer…..I wasn’t a decent bloke, so I did nothing……then they came for…….

    The totalatarian streak is on full display now!

    ‘Cos that is what NZ will now get under Labour…………….the entire fucken spectrum of failed ideaologies! :cool:

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  52. David Garrett (7,112 comments) says:

    At least Penny seems to bugger off whenever I repeat my question….If I am not here when she appears chaps, please feel free to pose the same question to her…of course I may be as delusional as her, and her disappearance when the “are you on a benefit” question is pure coincidence….

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  53. chiz (1,135 comments) says:

    Dover Samuels found guilty of driving in a bus lane. At least he was only driving in it, rather than pissing in it.

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  54. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Why have proven ‘anti-corruption’ civil society ‘whistleblowers not been invited to today’s launch of the NZ National Integrity System Assessment?

    http://www.victoria.ac.nz/home/viclife/events/conferences/new-zealand-national-integrity-system-assessment

    You can read the full nine yards here – the full OPEN LETTER I sent to most of those participating in today’s National Integrity System launch:

    THANK YOU INDYMEDIA!

    http://www.indymedia.org.nz/submissions/394

    Penny Bright

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  55. Manolo (13,590 comments) says:

    The beauty of being black: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/12/pa-officials-plan-no-probe-despite-extraordinary-turnout-totals-for-obama-in/

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  56. David Garrett (7,112 comments) says:

    Ah, you are back Penny..

    Do you derive part of your income from a government benefit?

    (NO I do not, and never have)

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  57. Sofia (856 comments) says:

    Penny
    Why have proven ‘anti-corruption’ civil society ‘whistleblowers not been invited to today’s launch of the NZ National Integrity System Assessment?

    and below that, Penny, you write –

    “TRANSPARENCY INTERNATIONAL NEW ZEALAND ORDERS ARREST OF ANTI-CORRUPTION ADVOCATE
    11 December 2009
    In a stinging irony – on United Nations International Anti-Corruption Day no less – Chairman Gerald McGhie of Transparency International’s “autonomous” New Zealand chapter ordered Police to arrest public watchdog Penny Bright for trespassing at its Annual General Meeting on Wednesday.

    – that is why they didn’t ask you – they don’t want you there.

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  58. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    This’ll upset DPF, I believe he quite admires Karl Rove:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/karl-rove-gop-money-civil-war-republicans-2012-11

    There Is A Brutal Civil War In The GOP, And It Looks Like Karl Rove Will Be The First Casualty. Grassroots Republican operatives and Movement conservatives are quickly turning against the GOP Establishment in the wake of the party’s expensive defeat this election cycle.

    Fletch, another on the secession. Imagine being so pissed off you want to end the union. Wow:
    http://www.examiner.com/article/15-states-including-texas-have-filed-a-petition-to-secede-from-the-united-states-1

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  59. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    Dover Samuels found guilty of driving in a bus lane. At least he was only driving in it, rather than pissing in it.

    Yes chiz the bus lane probably had a lucky escape.

    WTF is it with politicians that they think they can make up some stupid story like: I’m a country bumpkin who doesn’t understand; and get away with it? Raising this trivia as a serious point merely wastes the court’s time and is the same disrespectful attitude Hone displays, when he says he’ll use his upcoming court case for his housing protest, as an opportunity to grandstand his current populist cause. What about: respect for one’s position as an MP in terms of upholding civil institutions, don’t either of these mentals, understand?

    Why the fuck do we have to not merely tolerate but even pay these people, who, being lawmakers themselves, trash our laws by treating the just and open administration of them with complete and utter contempt. What the fuck about: setting an example of good behaviour, don’t either of these idiots understand?

    I really hope the second Hone makes one unequivocal move to grandstand like some stupid political statement from the dock, the Judge nails him for contempt and gives him 21 days in prison to think about what he did.

    See if that happened Hone would sit there for 21 days with the media camped outside getting madder and madder and then when he made his next appearance he’d do it again. He just wouldn’t be able to stop, it goes against his whole nature as a warrior. Let’s hope so. You see the beautiful elegant symmetry of the whole affair. No more Hone. Forever and ever.

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  60. Sofia (856 comments) says:

    Dover’s lot don’t own the bus lanes then – recognised by the caught.
    Sort of like Penny is a judicially recognised something, she says

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  61. DJP6-25 (1,376 comments) says:

    iMP 9:02 am. I think little will come of it unless, or until the US falls off the fiscal cliff. then the case for seccession, or a ‘velvet divorce’ between red and blue states might look reasonable.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  62. Viking2 (11,417 comments) says:

    A report by the International Energy Association notes that the US will overtake Saudi Arabia as the world’s leading oil producer by 2017 and will overtake Russia as the leading producer of natural gas in 2015.

    The I.E.A. estimates that electricity prices will be about 50 percent cheaper in the United States than in Europe, largely because of a rise in the number of power plants fuelled by cheap natural gas.

    http://www.interest.co.nz/currencies/61998/opening-bell-where-currencies-start-tuesday-november-13-2012

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  63. wat dabney (3,725 comments) says:

    The secret list of the 28 “experts” at the climate convention, which the BBC used to officially justify bias about global warming, has been discovered (the BBC recently mounted a successful legal challenge to prevent the list being made public.)

    Amongst the “experts” used to justify this corruption of ethics are:

    Blake Lee-Harwood, Head of Campaigns, Greenpeace
    Claire Foster, Church of England
    Li Moxuan, Climate campaigner, Greenpeace China
    Tadesse Dadi, Tearfund Ethiopia
    Ashok Sinha, Stop Climate Chaos
    Andy Atkins, Advocacy Director, Tearfund
    Rafael Hidalgo, TV/multimedia producer
    Cheryl Campbell, Executive Director, Television for the Environment
    Kevin McCullough, Director, Npower Renewables

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/11/12/breaking-the-secret-list-of-the-bbc-28-is-now-public/

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  65. wat dabney (3,725 comments) says:

    Griff,

    To cherry pick one small section of a trend to make noise about and ignore everything else is a typical denial propaganda tactic

    Er, the Hockeystick, the central icon of global warming alarmism and something which you bizarrely still try to defend, was contrived from carefully cherry-picked data. Remember that Mann had a folder named “Censored” on his computer which contained additional data which he had excluded from his infamous chart because when he left it in he didn’t get the hockeystick shape?

    Is it okay for alarmists to cherry-pick then, Griff?

    Why do you claim to deplore cherry-picking on the one hand yet resolutely defend it when it suits your prejudices? Just another example of your complete dishonesty I’m afraid son.

    And the Yamal data-set which was included in those me-too hockeysticks? Same thing. Cherry-picked data which in no way reflects the content of the broader data.

    In fact, cherry-picking is an officially approved alarmist method of creating misleading charts: to quote alarmist “scientist” Rosanne D’Arrigo “cherry-picking is necessary if you want to make cherry-pie.

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  66. Griff (7,519 comments) says:

    So wat you are back to claiming that stolen emails reviewed nine times are proof of fraud
    That is accusation the climate scientists concocted the science. review. no fault found.The denial Eco chamber accuses again.
    including Reviews from

    House of Commons Science and Technology Committee

    Science Assessment Panel

    Pennsylvania State University

    Independent Climate Change Email Review
    a British investigation commissioned by the UEA and chaired by Sir Muir Russell

    United States Environmental Protection Agency report

    Inspector General of the U.S. Department of Commerce

    National Science Foundation

    All finding
    NO evidence of fraud or scientific misconduct. The scientific consensus that global warming is occurring as a result of human activity remained unchanged by the end of the investigations

    Wouldn’t you think after that many inquiries any problems with the science would have been identified. :lol:
    Sane people would find them not guilty after that. Wat just claims its a conspawhacky on the behalf of all the bodies involved
    Wat might just be lacking in critical thinking

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  67. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/7943217/Schoolgirls-binge-drinking-shame

    This is no surprise. Another notch in the all-pervasive feminist agenda which in this narrow example sees girls growing up believing their road to happiness is to act like a boy: hard-drinking, aggressive, competitive, casual sex, the whole works. None of the gentle feminine traits of yore. They’re not relevant, anymore.

    And then they reach their forties and find that maybe they were wrong. Their “career” isn’t after all, worth more than children, they realise. But it’s too late. We’re not there yet, so far most career women still have children. But each generation gets closer to that, doesn’t it.

    This is social engineering. Sinister, isn’t it.

    On social engineering: 5 min U-Tube of KGB officer explaining it:

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  68. wat dabney (3,725 comments) says:

    Griff,

    Let’s be clear shall we; you’re not actually disputing any of the facts I cited are you?

    You’re not disputing that the notorious Hockeystick was concocted from cherry-picked data (in addition to the gross mishandling of the carefully selected data which “mined” for hockeystick shapes)?

    You’re not disputing that the ubiquitous Yamal data-set was a carefully cherry-picked sub-set of the broader collection, which resulted in a totally unrepresentative hockeystick shape?

    You’re not disputing that that global warming “scientist” openly boasted of the cherry-picking technique to create the desired charts?

    No, didn’t think so.

    Since you are so vocal in your oppostion to cherry-picking, can you confirm that you now totally disown the Hockeystick? Can you also confirm that you reject all the me-too hockeysticks which used the cherry-picked Yamal data-set?

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  69. Manolo (13,590 comments) says:

    Looking for leaks? FBI searching lover’s house: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/12/fbi-agent-behavior-questioned-in-probe-that-turned-up-petraeus-affair/

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  70. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    And from George Takei aka Lieutenant Hikaru Sulu this little gem

    “Gay marriage legalized on the same day as marijuana makes perfect biblical sense. Leviticus 20:13: ‘A man who lays with another man should be stoned.’ Our interpretation has just been wrong for all these years.””

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  71. Kea (12,434 comments) says:

    Leviticus 20:13: ‘A man who lays with another man should be stoned.’ lol :) :)

    You just wait until Red gets here Mr !

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  72. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    I was playing a ginga guy at Scrabble.

    As I placed down my last tiles I gloated, “Well that’s it I win.”

    “Well that’s not very fair” He cried, “Using words I’ve never heard of.”

    I said, “I think you’ll find, Sex, Friends and Soul are in the dictionary.”

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  73. Griff (7,519 comments) says:

    Yamal data-set :lol: The research has moved on and includes a lot more data than just the yamal tree rings

    Guess what Wat the hockey stick still there and growing in conclusiveness
    It is warmer today than it has been in the last 2000 years. We have conclusive evidence not limited to the discovery of artifacts made of leather and feather that will not last more than a week being uncovered by ice melt in both the Swiss alps and the Americas dating from pre roman times
    The warmest it got during the MWP is the same temperature as the fifty’s I got that from WUWT :lol: .

    To give you an idea of how much work has been done that confirmed the hockey stick shape of the resent warming compared to Paleoclimate reconstructions here are some papers from only one research organiseation
    NOAA Paleoclimate Network of 92 Temperature Reconstructions and proxy/instrumental data to make reconstructions

    Global and Hemispheric
    Global Temperature, RSL, Ice Volume (δ18O), 1,000,000 Years, Bintanja et al. 2005, Text or Excel
    Global Temperature, RSL, Ice Volume (δ18O), 3,000,000 Years, Bintanja and van de Wal 2008, Text or Excel
    Global Surface Temperature (Geothermal Heat Flow: Boreholes), 20,000 Years, Huang et al. 2008, Text or Excel
    Global & Hemispheric Temperature, NAO, and SOI (Review), 2000 Years, Jones and Mann 2004.
    Global Temperature (PCA: Tree-rings, Ice Cores, Corals, Sediments, Historical), 1000 Years, Jones et al. 1998
    Global & Hemispheric Temperature (Review), Multiproxy, 2,000 Years, Ljungqvist 2009.
    Global Temperature (PCA: Tree-rings, Ice Cores, Corals) and Spatial Distribution, 600 Years, Mann et al. 2000.
    Global Gridded Temperature (Climate Field Reconstruction, Multiproxy), 1,500 Years, Mann et al. 2009 σ
    Global & Hemispheric Temperature (CPS & EIV: Tree Rings, Multiproxy), 2,000 Years, Mann et al. 2008 σ
    Global Temperature (PCA: Tree-rings, Ice Cores, Corals, Historical), 600 Years, Mann et al. 1998 σ
    Global Temperature (Review), Last Glacial Maximum (19-23 KYrBP), Schmittner et al. 2011
    Global Temperature (Glacier Length), 400 Years, Oerlemans 2005
    Global Temperature (Geothermal Heat Flow Analysis: Boreholes), 500 Years, Pollack et al. 1998.
    Antarctic Temperature, EPICA Dome C, (Isotopes: Ice Core) 800,000 Years, Jouzel et al. 2007.
    Antarctic Temperature, Vostok, (Isotopes: Ice Core) 414,000 Years, Petit et al. 1999.
    Northern Hemisphere Temperature (Tree-ring, Ice Cores, Corals), 1000 Years, Ammann and Wahl 2007.
    Northern Hemisphere & Regional Temperature (Age Band Decomp.: Tree-rings), 600 Years, Briffa et al. 2001.
    Northern Hemisphere Temperature (Regression: Tree-rings), 600 Years, Briffa et al. 1998.
    Northern Hemisphere Temperature (Tree-rings, Ice Cores, Historical), 1000 Years, Crowley & Lowery 2000.
    Northern Hemisphere Temperature (RCS and STD: Tree-rings), 1300 Years, D’Arrigo et al. 2006.
    Northern Hemisphere Temperature (RCS: Tree-rings), 1000 Years, Esper et al. 2002.
    Northern Hemisphere Temperature (Ensemble, Carbon Cycle Sensitivity), 1000 Years, Frank et al. 2010.
    Northern Hemisphere Temperature (Least Squares: Tree-rings), 1,500 Years, Hegerl et al. 2007, Text or Excel σ
    Northern Hemisphere Temperature (Boreholes, Tree-ring, Ice Cores, Corals), 500 Years, Huang 2004.
    Northern Hemisphere Temperature (Review), 1000 Years, IPCC Fourth Assessment, Working Group 1, 2007.
    Hemispheric Temperature, NAO, and SOI (Review), 1000 Years, Jones et al. 2001.
    Northern Hemisphere 30°-90° Temperature, (LOC), Multiproxy, 2,000 Years, Christiansen and Ljungqvist 2012 σ
    Northern Hemisphere 30°-90° Temperature, (Composite-plus-scale), Multiproxy, 2,000 Years, Ljungqvist 2010 σ
    Northern Hemisphere 30°-90° Temperature, (LOC), Multiproxy, 1,000 Years, Christiansen and Ljungqvist 2011 σ
    Northern Hemisphere Temperature (PCA: Tree-rings, Ice Cores, Corals), 1000 Years, Mann et al. 1999 σ
    Hemispheric Temperature (Historical, Tree-rings, Ice Cores, Sediment), 2000 Years, Mann and Jones 2003 σ
    Northern Hemisphere Temperature (Wavelet: Sediments, Tree-rings), 2000 Years, Moberg et al. 2005 σ
    Northern Hemisphere Temperature, Warm/Cold Spatial Extent, 1,200 Years, Osborn and Briffa 2006.
    Northern Hemisphere Temperature (Review/Comparison), 600 Years, Rutherford et al. 2005.
    Northern Hemisphere Temperature (Speleothem Layer Thickness), 500 Years, Smith et al. 2006.
    Northern Hemisphere Temperature (Tree-rings), 250 Years, Wilson et al. 2007.
    Local and Regional
    Continental Temperature, Precipitation, and GDD, 6ka and 21ka, Bartlein et al. 2010 σ
    Greenland Temperature, 49,000 Years, Alley 2000
    Greenland Temperature, 4,000 Years, Kobashi et al. 2011, Text or Excel σ
    Greenland Temperature, 1,000 Years, Kobashi et al. 2010, Text or Excel σ
    Arctic Temperature, 1,400 Years, Shi et al. 2012 σ
    Arctic Temperature, 2,000 Years, Kaufman et al. 2009
    Arctic Temperature, 400 Years, Overpeck et al. 1997
    Antarctic Temperature, 200 Years, Schneider et al. 2006 σ
    Dome Fuji, Antarctica Preliminary Temperature, 340,000 Years, Kawamura et al. 2007
    Dome Fuji, Antarctica Temperature, 360,000 Years, Uemura et al. 2012
    Africa
    Lake Malawi, East Africa Surface Temperature, 25,000 Years, Powers et al. 2005 σ
    Lake Tanganyika, East Africa Surface Temperature, 60,000 Years, Tierney et al. 2008, Text or Excel
    Congo River Basin Mean Air Temperature, 25,000 Years, Weijers et al. 2007, Text or Excel format.
    Asia
    China Temperature, 2000 Years, Yang et al. 2002.
    East China Winter Temperature, 2000 Years, Ge et al. 2003 σ
    Beijing, China Temperature, 2650 Years, Tan et al. 2003 σ
    North-Central China Temperature and Precipitation, 530 Years, Yi et al. 2011, Text or Excel σ
    Altai, Siberia Temperature, 750 Years, Eichler et al. 2009, Text or Excel σ
    Taymir, northern Siberia, Summer Temperature, 400 Years, Jacoby et al. 2000.
    Yamal Peninsula, western Siberia, Summer Temperature, 4000 Years, Hantemirov and Shiyatov 2002.
    Kathmandu, Nepal, Pre- and Post- Monsoon Temperature, 550 Years, Cook et al. 2003.
    Hokkaido, Japan Warm Season Temperature, 440 Years, Davi et al. 2001.
    Lake Suigetsu, Japan Temperature, 15,700 – 10,200 YrBP, Nakagawa et al. 2006, Text or Excel format.
    Australia, New Zealand
    Australasia Temperature, 1000 Years, Gergis et al. 2012, Text or Excel σ
    New Zealand Temperature, 270 Years, Xiong and Palmer 2000 σ
    Tasmania Temperature, 3600 Years, Cook et al. 2000
    Europe
    European Gridded and Regional Summer Temperature and Data Visualization, 225 Years, Briffa 1988.
    European Gridded Spring-Summer Temperature, 1400 Years, Guiot et al. 2010, Text or Excel
    European-wide Seasonal Temperature, plus Annual Grid Cell Data Files, 500 Years, Xoplaki et al. 2005, Luterbacher et al. 2004.
    European Pattern Climatology, Gridded Monthly Temp., Precip., 500hPa Height, and Data Visualization, 340 Years, Casty et al. 2007.
    European Alps Temperature, 944 Years, Trachsel et al. 2012, Text or Excel.
    European Alps Temperature and Precipitation Reconstructions, 500 Years, Casty et al. 2005.
    Central Alps Temperature, 2,000 Years, Mangini et al. 2005.
    Central Europe Temperature, 500 Years, Dobrovolný et al. 2010, Text or Excel σ
    Kõszeg, Hungary 392Yr Documentary May-July Temperature, Kiss et al. 2011, Text or Excel
    Central Europe Summer Temperature, 2500 Years, Büntgen et al. 2011, Text or Excel σ
    Germany/Central Europe Temperature, 1000 Years, Glaser and Riemann 2009, Text or Excel σ
    Lago dell’Accesa, Italy January Temperature, 11.7-4.6KYrBP, Finsinger et al. 2010, Text or Excel format.
    Lake Cadagno, Switzerland MBT/CBT Temperature, 11,000 Years, Niemann et al. 2012, Text or Excel.
    Lake Silvaplana, Switzerland VRS Temperature, 775 Years, Trachsel et al. 2010, Text or Excel.
    Lake Silvaplana, Switzerland BioSi/Chironomid Temperature, 765 Years, Trachsel et al. 2010, Text or Excel.
    Lake Silvaplana, Switzerland Chironomid Temperature, 1000 Years, Larocque et al. 2010, Text or Excel.
    Lake Silvaplana, Switzerland Chironomid Temperature, 420 Years, Larocque et al. 2009, Text or Excel.
    Lake Silvaplana, Switzerland Chironomid Temperature, 140 Years, Larocque et al. 2008, Text or Excel.
    Swiss Alps Temperature, 400 Years, Blass et al. 2007, Text or Excel σ
    Switzerland Spring-Summer Temperature, 526 Years, Meier et al. 2007.
    Burgundy Spring-Summer Temperature, 630 Years, Chuine et al. 2004.
    Northern Spain Temperature, 4000 Years, Martín-Chivelet et al. 2011, Text or Excel
    Northern Fennoscandia Spring Temperature, 300 Years, Loader et al. 2011, Text or Excel σ
    Northeastern Fennoscandia July Temperature, 2,000 Years, Bjune et al. 2008, Text or Excel.
    Fennoscandia Summer Temperature, 1,250 Years, Lindholm et al. 2010, Text or Excel.
    Northern Coastal Norway Temperature, 650 Years, Kirchhefer 2001
    Abisko Valley, Northern Sweden Temperature, 10,000 Years, Larocque and Hall 2004, Text or Excel.
    Stockholm Winter/Spring Temperature, 500 Years, Leijonhufvud et al. 2010, Text or Excel σ
    Torneträsk, Northern Sweden, Tree Ring MXD Temperature, 1,500 Years, Grudd 2008, Text or Excel.
    Raufarhofn, Iceland August Temperature, 2,000 Years, Axford et al. 2008, Text or Excel.
    North America
    Baffin Island Summer Temperature, 500 Years, Hughen et al. 2000.
    Baffin Island Summer Temperature, 1200 Years, Moore et al. 2001.
    Baffin Island Summer Temperature, 1,000 Years, Thomas and Briner 2008, Text or Excel σ
    Lake CF8, Baffin Island Chironomid Temperature, 200,000 Years, Axford et al. 2009, Text or Excel.
    Northwest Canada Temperature, 350 Years, Szeicz et al. 1995.
    Northwest Territories Summer Temperature, 2,000 Years, MacDonald et al. 2008, Text or Excel.
    Boreal Canada Regional Temperature, 12,000 Years, Viau ang Gajewski 2009, Text or Excel
    Eastern Beringia Regional Temperature, 25,000 Years, Viau et al. 2008, Text or Excel
    Nunavut July Temperature and Precipitation, 2,500 Years, Peros and Gajewski 2008, Text or Excel.
    Nunavut Summer Temperature, 2,000 Years, Porinchu et al. 2008, Text or Excel.
    Hanging Lake, Yukon July Temperature, 17,000 Years, Kurek et al. 2009, Text or Excel σ
    Canadian Rockies Summer Temperature, 1050 Years, Luckman and Wilson 2005.
    Gulf of Alaska March-May, March-Sept., and April-Sept. Temperature, 400 Years, Wiles et al. 1998.
    Gulf of Alaska January-September Temperature, 1300 Years, Wilson et al. 2007, Text or Excel
    Northwestern Alaska Growing Season Temperature, 2,000 Years, Hu et al. 2001, Text or Excel.
    South-central Alaska July Temperature, 13,500 Years, Clegg et al. 2011, Text or Excel σ
    South-central Alaska July Temperature, 6,000 Years, Clegg et al. 2010, Text or Excel σ
    Western Alaska July Temperature, 39,000 Years, Kurek et al. 2009, Text or Excel σ
    Southern Alaska Summer Temperature, 1,500 Years, Loso 2008, Text or Excel σ
    Wrangell Mountains, Alaska Warm Season Temperature, 400 Years, Davi et al. 2003.
    USA Pacific Northwest Temperature, 250 Years, Wiles et al. 1996.
    East-central Idaho July Temperature Reconstruction, 850 Years, Biondi et al. 1999.
    Southern Colorado Plateau Temperature Reconstruction, 2,262 Years, Salzer and Kipfmueller 2005.
    West N.America Gridded & Regional Summer Temperature and Data Visualization, 400 Years, Briffa et al. 1992.
    Large Scale N.American Temp. and Precip., Description, and Data Visualization, 400 Years, Fritts 1991.
    North American and Regional July Temperature Reconstructions, 14,000 Years, Viau et al. 2006, Text or Excel σ
    Western North American Annual Temperature Reconstruction, 500 Years, Wahl and Smerdon 2012 σ
    South America
    Amazon Basin Temperature, 37,000 Years, Bendle et al. 2010, Text or Excel
    Central Chile Austral Summer Temperature, 1142 Years, von Gunten et al. 2008, Text or Excel format.
    Southern Andes Temperature, Text or Excel format, 350 Years, Villalba et al. 2003.
    Southern South America Gridded Temperature, 1100 Years, Neukom et al. 2010 σ

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  74. thedavincimode (6,712 comments) says:

    That’s great Griff. But what’s the forecast for next week?

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  75. wat dabney (3,725 comments) says:

    Griff,

    As we both know, last time you cited a list of things you claimed supported your position we found that they in fact contradicted you completely.

    There is no doubt you have done exactly the same thing here: cut and pasted a long list of stuff without the first clue as to their content.

    So allow me to repeat:

    You’re not disputing that the notorious Hockeystick was concocted from cherry-picked data (in addition to the gross mishandling of the carefully selected data which “mined” for hockeystick shapes)?

    You’re not disputing that the ubiquitous Yamal data-set was a carefully cherry-picked sub-set of the broader collection, which resulted in a totally unrepresentative hockeystick shape?

    You’re not disputing that that global warming “scientist” openly boasted of the cherry-picking technique to create the desired charts?

    No, didn’t think so.

    Since you are so vocal in your oppostion to cherry-picking, can you confirm that you now totally disown the Hockeystick? Can you also confirm that you reject all the me-too hockeysticks which used the cherry-picked Yamal data-set?

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  76. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    What I want to see from both sides of the AGW divide is total worst-case position papers from both sides. Show everyone just how bad it could possibly get, openly and scientifically, if the worst possible thing happened, up to and including an Earth-Sun collision simulation.

    Until we have that, we know nothing, so let’s all just shut up about it until that information becomes available.

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  77. wat dabney (3,725 comments) says:

    Oh dear Griff,

    Yamal data-set – The research has moved on and includes a lot more data than just the yamal tree rings

    Our friend Griff then provides a long list of studies he assumes illustrates his point. Including this one which deals with, er, Yamal (so yes, he just cut’n’pasted a long list of stuff with no clue as to its content):

    “Yamal Peninsula, western Siberia, Summer Temperature, 4000 Years, Hantemirov and Shiyatov 2002.”

    Interestingly this is a case study in cherry-picking and is examined here:

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/01/response-from-briffa-on-the-yamal-tree-ring-affair-plus-rebuttal/

    Note that when you plot the whole data-set, rather than a carefully cherry-picked sub-set, the graph shows a completely flat temperature rather than the fabricated hockeystick shape.

    Well done Griff. Well done indeed.

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  78. Griff (7,519 comments) says:

    I just answered you can you not read ? yamel is soooo last century :lol: you are hung up on one small series from Siberia and you ignore every other study that does not confirm your bias

    Are you related to penny by any chance? you are just as nutty Your continued reference to the climate emails is the same as penny over banks and co. You continue to deny that the scientist have been cleared.

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  79. wat dabney (3,725 comments) says:

    Oh dear Griff,

    Can you then please exclude from you thoughtlessly cut’n’pasted list all those studies which don’t include the Yamal series.

    Then we can examine what’s left.

    Otherwise you’re left looking a bit of a tit saying that we’re ‘beyond Yamal’ and then citing a load of papers which, you know, include Yamal.

    In the meantime, perhaps you could answer a couple of straight questions rather than doing your utmost to avoid them:

    You’re not disputing that the notorious Hockeystick was concocted from cherry-picked data (in addition to the gross mishandling of the carefully selected data which “mined” for hockeystick shapes)?

    You’re not disputing that the ubiquitous Yamal data-set was a carefully cherry-picked sub-set of the broader collection, which resulted in a totally unrepresentative hockeystick shape?

    You’re not disputing that that global warming “scientist” openly boasted of the cherry-picking technique to create the desired charts?

    No, didn’t think so.

    Since you are so vocal in your oppostion to cherry-picking, can you confirm that you now totally disown the Hockeystick? Can you also confirm that you reject all the me-too hockeysticks which used the cherry-picked Yamal data-set?

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  80. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    If I posted a picture of a real alien, would that stop people talking about AGW?

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  81. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Reid is still labouring under the misapprehension that there is a scientific debate about anthropogenic global warming. There is not.

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  82. RightNow (6,987 comments) says:

    wat, that list of BBC ‘specialists’ was certainly funny, especially the inclusion of Jon Plowman, Head of Comedy

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  83. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    http://mediasportandotherrantings.blogspot.co.nz/2011/09/darien-fenton-finally-does-right-thing.html

    I did it for you reid

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  84. RightNow (6,987 comments) says:

    MWP: as warm or warmer than latter 20th century
    http://www.wsl.ch/fe/landschaftsdynamik/dendroclimatology/Publikationen/Esper_etal.2012_GPC
    http://www.clim-past.net/8/765/2012/cp-8-765-2012.html
    http://hol.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/10/26/0959683612460791.abstract
    http://210.38.138.6:9020/editor/UploadFile/A%201000-yr%20record%20of%20environmental%20change%20in%20NE%20China%20indicated%20by%20diatom%20assemblages%20from%20maarlake%20Erlongwan.pdf

    And we shouldn’t forget http://www.co2science.org/data/timemap/mwpmap.html

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  85. Grendel (996 comments) says:

    the only reason there is no debate milkenmoron is because the followers of AGW have their fingers in their ears screaming lalalalalalala, and deciding because they cannot hear any dissent there isn’t any.

    and lets not forget the giant hypocrisy of all AGW fanatics, demanding that due to the ‘crisis’ we all need to change our habits, but they of course dont mean themselves, so they still fly, drive and burn carbon as much if not more (see your king, mr gore) than the rest of us.

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  86. Griff (7,519 comments) says:

    As I said penny dabney
    Any argument that hinges on the climate emails is founded on a classic denial. Aka a Penny Bright
    As that would mean that all the reviews I posted are corrupt. massive conspiracy theory’s are not really my thing . Reid will discus yours if you look at his alien. :grin:

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  87. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    I did it for you reid

    Thanks Paul. I owe you one.

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  88. wat dabney (3,725 comments) says:

    Oh dear Griff,

    Perhaps you could answer a couple of straight questions rather than doing your utmost to avoid them:

    You’re not disputing that the notorious Hockeystick was concocted from cherry-picked data (in addition to the gross mishandling of the carefully selected data which “mined” for hockeystick shapes)?

    You’re not disputing that the ubiquitous Yamal data-set was a carefully cherry-picked sub-set of the broader collection, which resulted in a totally unrepresentative hockeystick shape?

    You’re not disputing that that global warming “scientist” openly boasted of the cherry-picking technique to create the desired charts?

    No, didn’t think so.

    Since you are so vocal in your oppostion to cherry-picking, can you confirm that you now totally disown the Hockeystick? Can you also confirm that you reject all the me-too hockeysticks which used the cherry-picked Yamal data-set?

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  89. RightNow (6,987 comments) says:

    I don’t think he understands why the statistical methods used were wrong wat.

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  90. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Well said Griff. If current climate science is a gigantic hoax, then it sure explains why it has been so easy to fake the moon landings, set up Lee Harvey Oswald as a patsy, hide the aliens captured at Roswell, plant evidence that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, and conceal the true nature of the rulers of the Earth (I’m still not sure whether they’re Freemasons, Catholics, Illuminate, Rosicrucians, the Bilderberg Group or the PPTA).

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  91. RightNow (6,987 comments) says:

    mikenmild – until the ’90s it was widely accepted that the MWP was warmer than recent temperatures. Were the scientists that contributed to that understanding wrong, or involved in a hoax?

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  92. Grendel (996 comments) says:

    So if its so true Mlik and you clearly believe in it, what are you doing to drastically reduce your carbon footprint? surely not using the internet? thats a frivolous waste, no tv either, no flying anywhere.

    becuase surely if you are a believer in the ‘crisis’ of AGW you would want to be a leader and show the way with reducing your impact.

    or are you another spineless fucking coward who ‘beleives’ but will only do something when you can have those of us who are sceptical forced to reduce our lifestyle, which of course you wont have to do, becuase the party elite never have to live the way they espouse the rest do.

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  93. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Thank you for caring Grendel. I am indeed trying to reduce my ecological footprint. I do not drive a car and travel to work each day by rail or bus. I sort my rubbish for recycling and compost a lot of kitchen and garden waste. I try to buy long lasting stuff and get things repaired rather than throwing them away. I have not travelled by air for over two years.
    These are all very easy things to do. I could do a lot more, I have a feeling that it is kind of wasteful to burn natural gas for my home heating and hot water, but I lack the wherewithal to switch when I have modern fittings and there would be such a long pay back period.
    Please tell me what else I should do.

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  94. Griff (7,519 comments) says:

    You have to believe the echo chamber MM then you absolved of all climate sins.

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  95. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    When I read something on Kiwiblog that seems bat-shit crazy, i often run it through the very helpful RationalWiki site. Amazingly, there is usual a rational explanation that does indeed debunk the nonsense and in such a way that makes it only too apparent that the offender is indeed as thick as pig shit.

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  96. niggly (820 comments) says:

    Go on Reid show us the alien … you know you want to :-)

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  97. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    We all love having a go at ‘mikenmild’, but let’s not forget what he will put back into the environment when he dies & is cremated.

    Water in the form of super-heated steam, oxygen, nitrogen, carbon dioxide, vaporised mercury from his fillings, some dioxins from his chipboard coffin & a load of piss and shit.

    Oh, and some carbonised remains that can be re-cycled into odor-eaters, with a bit of luck. .

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  98. RightNow (6,987 comments) says:

    Haaaaaahahahhahah rationalwiki. Haaaaahahahaha

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  99. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    My car sucks back 10 gallons of gas per day.

    Unfortunately that cancels out the efforts of the eco-warriors.

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  100. RightNow (6,987 comments) says:

    sorry mikenmild, couldn’t stop laughing for a minute there. You do know rationalwiki themselves say:

    “as no one ever thinks they’re being irrational, they’re likely to accuse anyone who disagrees with them as irrational. In principle, this point extends to RationalWiki itself, which declares everyone who doesn’t follow its POV irrational – making the choice of title somewhat unfortunate and ironic.”

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  101. RightNow (6,987 comments) says:

    Monique, that’s nothing compared to an eco-warrior attending a climate conference.

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  102. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Yes, I am aware of the ironic tone; which is one of the reasons that it is such an enjoyable site. You may well be unable to accept your own irrationality, I’m happy to admit my own, and perhaps a few other falibilities or foibles. It must be difficult being right all the time; even being right now must be a bit of a strain.

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  103. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    nasska
    I might not be cremated – burial at sea would be nice.

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  104. RightNow (6,987 comments) says:

    No worries mikey, I enjoyed the laugh, thanks. I did think I made a mistake once, but it turned out I was wrong.

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  105. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    For being a good sport I thought I’d look at your blog – shit it’s just a link to YouTube. There I was just assuming you were another link whore.

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  106. RightNow (6,987 comments) says:

    Hey, it’s a great album though, you got lucky!

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  107. OneTrack (3,024 comments) says:

    mikenmild 9:28 “I could do a lot more, I have a feeling that it is kind of wasteful to burn natural gas for my home heating and hot water, but I lack the wherewithal to switch when I have modern fittings and there would be such a long pay back period.”

    whats this “long payback period”. Thats only for neolibs. You’re supposed to be saving the planet. Get to it.

    Good to hear that you don’t fly. Unfortunately Gareth Hughes and Kennedy Graham have already used your share (and more) so you are still in the negative and will need to cut back some more.

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  108. Manolo (13,590 comments) says:

    Incredible. A terrorist walks free: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/world/radical-cleric-wins-uk-deportation-appeal/story-e6frfkui-1226515581514

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  109. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Do you think he would receive a fair trial in Jordan, Manolo?

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  110. Manolo (13,590 comments) says:

    The power of sex: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/petraeus-mistress-bombarded-whistleblower-emails-article-1.1201051

    No, mikenmild. This vile preacher of the “religion of peace” should be executed on the spot.

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  111. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    I don’t think the UK has capital punishment Manolo, but I’m pretty sure Jordan does – so maybe you are a secret support of Islamic laws.

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