General Debate 14 November 2012

November 14th, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. hj (6,922 comments) says:

    Drivers of Economic Growth in Auckland
    A report prepared for the Royal Commission on Auckland Governance

    Sustainable increases in the wealth and incomes of New Zealanders require economic
    growth. But economic growth alone is not enough to ensure those increases, at least not
    if we use the usual measure (namely gross domestic product) as the yardstick.
    GDP is a measure of the economic value added in a location. GDP increases with
    economic activity, but it indicates nothing about the ownership of the surplus (value
    added) created. For example, if a foreign-owned firm located in New Zealand launches an
    innovative new product and generates extra profit, the wealth/income of New Zealanders
    is affected only to the extent that it pays
    • higher taxes
    • more wages, and/or
    • more for other locally supplied inputs.
    For a range of reasons beyond its current control,1 foreign ownership is a major force
    in New Zealand2 and likely to remain so, at least until the wealth of New Zealanders
    increases significantly. From an economic perspective, this is not a concern in itself.
    However, it suggests that wage rates may be a better indicator of economic growth (as it
    affects New Zealanders) than GDP.

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  2. hj (6,922 comments) says:

    Agglomeration
    There is robust evidence to support the view that larger city/regions are more productive than smaller ones. In addition to international evidence, several local reports have recently identified these agglomeration benefits. In our view, the best of these reports was written by Motu researchers. It found evidence that “localisation” increases productivity but that “urbanisation” decreases it. Localisation refers to physical clustering by similar firms, whereas urbanisation is defined as the co-location of diverse firms. This is an internationally unusual result, and may suggest that greater attention to clustering is warranted in Auckland.
    Given that agglomeration economies appear to exist in Auckland, the size of the resulting benefits is of interest. There is a wide range of size estimates internationally, with most suggesting that doubling the size of a city will increase productivity by between 3% and 8%.

    Drivers of Economic Growth in Auckland
    A report prepared for the Royal Commission on Auckland Governance
    Any productivity boost would help Auckland firms compete more effectively against those in other locations. However, considering the official projection of population growth in Auckland (43% over the next 24 years), even elasticities at the top end of the international range would result in (agglomeration-sourced) productivity gains of only 3% in total, spread over the next two decades.
    Moreover, agglomeration also brings added costs. Large cities also contain forces that drive people away, and there is some Auckland evidence of such an effect for older working age people in our report on the composition and scale of Auckland’s economy. The literature identifies land constraints as a key source of forces pushing people away from cities, and show up in land rents, the cost of commuting, and congestion. The resulting trade-off between the costs and benefits of greater population densities is an issue for regional government, impacting primarily on land-use and transport policy. These are matters on which some policy coordination is clearly warranted.
    In summary, based on the available evidence, it seems clear that modest agglomeration economies will accrue gradually in Auckland, but they will not be a causative force that will transform the regional economy. Moreover, a larger and more dense population on which they rely also imposes costs, notably in the land markets.

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  3. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Come on Neolibs, pay your bets.

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  4. RightNow (6,987 comments) says:

    Did anyone actually accept a bet with you Ham? Why don’t you call them out by name?

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  5. hj (6,922 comments) says:

    So (despite the haste with cut and paste) the benefits of agglomeration on Aucklands economic performance are so so. The real money is made at the coal face of land sales to foreign investors under written by the governments policy of population increase (something approved by the chardonnay socialists who can’t see the wood for the trees).

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  6. Keeping Stock (10,301 comments) says:

    A Freudian slip from Eddie at The Standard; perhaps (s)he should consult the Urban Dictionary as we did…

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/11/tweet-of-day-14-november-2012.html

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  7. bhudson (4,738 comments) says:

    “I am doing a good job as a leader, because Labour has come up in the opinion polls and National have come down.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7945373/Shearer-aims-for-lift-from-housing-plan

    The reek of desperation! And no David, it’s not you but the media that has achieved that.

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  8. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    Labour’s got the potential to re-position Shearer by reshuffling the support team:

    http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2012/11/guess-who-is-rolling-david-shearer.html

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  9. thedavincimode (6,712 comments) says:

    Where is Ace Crime Reporter Manolo on the Shayde Robinson murder trial?

    Why are the Kiwiblog jurors taking so long to empanel themselves? What about the “it was him or me” defence by Robinson as Hadfield was stabbed in the chest while sitting in his driver’s seat? Will this trial turn up the missing boot?

    And does anyone actually think that Russell Brand is funny? What about that voice?

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  10. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    Just when Shearer may have thought he had successfully started down a leadership coup three small comments yesterday may blow up in his face. Bloggers have been dissed, and bloggers are severely miffed.

    Shearer, Cosgrove and Little are getting a pasting all over The Standard (which has had some very god reading over the past few days).

    Bradbury, who was miffed at not being in Bryce Edwards’ spotlight, sums up the social media gaffs:

    Little’s reply to a journalist about the blogs, “The blogs dont get to vote in the labour party, so we dont pay much consideration to it”.

    Clayton Cosgrove’s, “Blogs,who cares about blogs”.

    Shearer’s “I don’t read blogs” and that they are “nonsense”

    …are about as close to a modern day political suicide note as one can get.

    http://tumeke.blogspot.co.nz/2012/11/if-labour-have-finished-mutilating.html

    Whale is also onto it so the hits are coming from across the spectrum. Mallard’s social media own goals may pale into relative insignificance.

    This isn’t just a triple mistake – it’s a glaring example of modern media ignorance within the Labour camp. Bums are being bitten, severely.

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  11. Manolo (13,590 comments) says:

    A picture is worth a thousand words: http://weeklystandard.com/blogs/abc-affiliate-ran-phony-cover-broadwell-book_663264.html

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  12. bhudson (4,738 comments) says:

    Children bear brunt of welfare changes: Group

    A breakdown of the figures from Work and Income show that from July 2010 until August this year, 234 solo parents had their benefits cut, along with 129 on the unemployment benefit who had dependent children. A further eight on unemployment benefit training and seven on the sickness benefit with dependent children also faced sanctions…

    “In a period of high unemployment and rising costs this amounts to state parental neglect.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7947461/Children-bear-brunt-of-welfare-changes-Group

    A small edit there for the benefit of Child Poverty Action Group’s director Michael O’Brien and others, to fix the obvious misprint.

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  13. RightNow (6,987 comments) says:

    I think this was one of Kea’s points in Saturday’s GD. Is it still a racist POV if Kofi Annan says it?

    http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2012/11/12/kofi-annan-reports-african-democracy-a-sham/

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  14. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    Update on Benghazi:

    Good article by a senior analyst:

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/concoughlin/100189203/was-petraeus-forced-out-to-silence-his-account-of-benghazi-killings/

    If Gen Petraeus harboured any thoughts of revenge, then Thursday’s session of the Senate Intelligence Committee’s investigation into the Benghazi killings offered him the perfect platform. It is now clear that there were hundreds of threat warnings circulating before the fatal attack on the Benghazi compound, and yet the Obama administration did nothing to improve security at the consulate. (The British consulate, meanwhile, was closed in the summer following a failed assassination attempt against the British Ambassador, Sir Dominic Asquith.)

    As CIA Director, Gen Petraeus would have all the details of who was responsible for this glaring security breach, and there were many senior members of the Obama administration who had good reason to silence him so they could save their own skins.

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  15. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    15 questions Google used to ask job applicants but had to stop because it was too embarrassing for the candidates:

    http://www.businessinsider.com/15-google-interview-questions-that-used-to-make-geniuses-feel-dumb-2012-11#how-many-golf-balls-can-fit-in-a-school-bus-1

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  16. RF (1,380 comments) says:

    I see that H. Clark still persists in using that airbrushed photo of her looking like a young lady and not the real deal. Vanity with a capital V. Someone buy her a mirror.

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  17. IHStewart (388 comments) says:

    In some remote villages of Zimbabwe, it is believed that a solar eclipse occurs when a crocodile eats the sun. This celestial crocodile, they say, briefly consumes our life-giving star as a warning that he is much displeased with the behavior of man below. It is the very worst of omens.

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  18. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    What happened there? Authorities have not identified the immediate cause.

    Homes destroyed by massive Indianapolis explosion
    Dozens of homes were destroyed and damaged and two people killed after a massive explosion sparked a huge fire in Indianapolis.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9670743/Homes-destroyed-by-massive-Indianapolis-explosion.html

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/11/15083724-two-killed-homes-destroyed-in-huge-indianapolis-explosion?lite

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  19. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    solid discussion on gold vs unbacked fiat currency and fiscal cliff

    http://www.realecontv.com/videos/gold/which-way-gold-.html

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  20. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    http://www.startribune.com/nation/179084911.html?refer=y

    Possible furnace explosion

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  21. hj (6,922 comments) says:

    The Government pays a fortune to people with certain illnesses to provide “biologic” treatment. These have all sorts of side effects such as cancer and sunburn. However:

    http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2011/12/fecal-transplants-work/

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  22. hj (6,922 comments) says:

    @ Ried. Remember the fishing guide and client who died in Te Ureweras? I was surprised as Japanese use gas all the time.

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  23. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvenqcfX1j8

    Just in-case everyone forgot what a pillick this man is…

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  24. dime (9,868 comments) says:

    Hey Bruv – i see your favourite team (NZ Maoris) lost this morning. Poor discipline.

    meanwhile, a bunch of white players sat at home in NZ with noting to do cause they werent born with maori blood and the nzru isnt running an NZ b side.

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  25. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Here we go Kiwibloggers! :)

    FYI

    PRESS RELEASE: ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’ Penny Bright

    “It’s time for NZ Judges to be held accountable to the LAW – starting with Chief High Court Judge Winkelmann.”

    14 November 2012

    PRESS RELEASE: ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’ Penny Bright

    “It’s time for NZ Judges to be held accountable to the LAW – starting with Chief High Court Judge Winkelmann.

    Unbelievably, in New Zealand, ‘perceived’ to be ‘the least corrupt country in the world’, (according to Transparency International’s 2011 Corruption Perception Index http://cpi.transparency.org/cpi2011/results/ ) our Judges are effectively ‘out of control’, and operate in ways that are neither transparent, nor accountable”, says ‘anti-corruption campaigner’ Penny Bright.

    “There is no enforceable ‘Code of Conduct’ for NZ Judges; no ‘Register of Pecuniary Interests’ for NZ Judges and Court proceedings are often not recorded. How can a ‘court of record’ – not keep a record? How can ‘justice be done and be seen to be done’ – when there is no record in Court of WHAT was done?”

    Tomorrow, Thursday 15 November 2012, will be a protest outside the Supreme Court in Wellington, from 9am – 10am and 1pm – 2pm.

    (85 Lambton Quay) http://www.wellingtonnz.com/school_trips/supreme_court_and_old_high_court_building#TB_window

    Here, an unprecedented and historic Court case is being held.

    For the first time in the history of the world – a ‘third party’ publisher is facing six weeks jail for ‘contempt of Court’ for publishing a suppressed judicial decision.

    This third party’ publisher, is arguably NZ’s foremost judicial ‘Public Watchdog / ‘whistle-blower’ Vince Siemer, who exposes the lack of judicial transparency and accountability through his website – http://www.kiwisfirst.co.nz

    Vince Siemer is facing six weeks jail for ‘contempt of court’ for publishing Chief High Court Judge Helen Winkelmann’s decision, that the Urewera defendants were not entitled to trial by jury – a decision which she then suppressed – so that the public were not allowed to know.

    “On what lawful basis can a NZ Judge suppress a decision or the reasons for that decision?” asks Ms Bright.

    “This is the basis of the Appeal which will be heard in the NZ Supreme Court, Thursday 15 November 2012. (SC 37 – 2012). ”

    Vince Siemer is being defended by prominent human rights lawyer Tony Ellis.
    __________________________________________________________________________________________________

    In a New Zealand Herald article by David Fisher, dated 27 October 2012 – “Judges respond to critics”

    – Chief High Court Judge, Justice Helen Winkelmann had this to say:

    “The requirements that judges work in public and that they provide reasons for their decisions provides the best means of accountability. Their decisions can be, and are, the subject of public comment and criticism. Their decisions can be reviewed or appealed. These are the primary means by which judges are held accountable for their decisions.”

    Judges, she says, “are not subject to personal direction; not from politicians, the Ministry or the public, and nor from other judges, such as the head of bench”. It leaves “judges … able to decide a case according to law, free from improper pressure or influence”.

    ……………………………

    Justice Winkelmann warns against any public impulse to make judges’ decisions more “consistent” against a set of predetermined guidelines.

    “Predictability is achieved through the application of the law. It is not possible or appropriate to measure predictability beyond that.

    “If judges do make mistakes these can be corrected on appeal. That is a safeguard against error.”

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10843198

    “Spot the glaring hypocrisy!” says Ms Bright.

    “Can a Judge ‘just make it up’ and make a Court Order, which is not itself based upon the ‘Rule of Law,’ for the suppression of a Judgment?

    We shall see…………….”

    Signatures will also be collected for the following petition – which :

    “Respectfully requests:

    That the House urgently legislate to adopt an enforceable Code of Conduct for the New Zealand
    Judiciary based upon the ‘Bangalore Principles for Judicial Conduct’ which are intended to establish
    standards for the ethical conduct of judges, and include the following underpinning judicial values and
    principles: independence; impartiality; integrity; propriety; equality; competency and diligence.”

    (The ‘Bangalore Principles for Judicial Conduct’, are a ‘Code of Conduct’ made by Judges – for Judges, and are effectively a ‘best practice’ model that could be used here in New Zealand. http://www.ajs.org/ethics/pdfs/Bangalore_principles.pdf )

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/PETITION-Code-of-Conduct-for-NZ-Judges-.pdf

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  26. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    Someone’s left the gate to the asylum open again.

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  27. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    White House Forced to Confront State Petitions to Secede?

    The White House website has been bombarded with petitions that have mushroomed to 31 states moving to secede. The first petition came in from Louisiana the day after Obama’s re-election, and since then a chorus of others have issued their grievances.

    Now, under White House rules stated in its “We the People” program, if 25,000 people sign on by December 7th, a response must be issued. Just a few days after submitting, that number has been reached by the petitions from Texas and Louisiana — with Texas at well over 60,000.

    White house answers back by announcing all seceeders must leave US

    http://www.secretsofthefed.com/w-h-petition-calls-for-stripping-citizenship-and-exile-for-anyone-who-signs-petition-to-secede/

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  28. bhudson (4,738 comments) says:

    Debt leaves NZ banks vulnerable – S&P

    But underpinning the present stable outlook was a rise in household savings relative to income levels and a fall in the appetite for debt, the credit rating agency said. That reduced the vulnerability of households to a worsening economy.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/7949354/Debt-leaves-NZ-banks-vulnerable-S-P

    So it is reducing private debt and increased savings that are maintaining our stable outlook.

    Meanwhile Labour and the Greens want to implement economic policy that would increase household costs (lower NZ dollar = higher cost of imports – including petrol, clothing, some foods and, of course, credit [mortgage interest]) and increase inflation (which would erode the value of peoples’ savings.)

    Somehow they expect people to believe that will be good for our outlook. I guess it would be if you were hoping for a credit downgrade, higher cost of living and reduced business investment…

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  29. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    AGENDA 21: San Diego Residents Face 6 Years In Prison For Washing Their Car

    San Diegans could face 6 years in prison and fines of $100,000 dollars a day for washing their car in the driveway or failing to pick up dog poop under new EPA-mandated environmental regulations related to water quality.

    Although residents of the city are forced to drink toxic waste in their water supply in the form of sodium fluoride, measures imposed as a consequence of the Environmental Protection Agency’s Clean Water Act would turn the most mundane of activities into a criminal offense.

    “California’s latest experiment in faith-based policymaking is being unleashed today on the San Diego public, as regional water-quality officials begin hearings on new regulations that seem crafted to turn most owners of a car, house or dog into criminals within a decade or so. We wish we were exaggerating,” reports the North County Times.

    http://www.secretsofthefed.com/agenda-21-san-diego-residents-face-6-years-in-prison-for-washing-their-car/

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  30. David Garrett (7,112 comments) says:

    Ah Penny…

    “Do you receive any income from a government benefit?”

    (No, I dont)

    Talking of bludgers, some may recall my efforts to find Mr Ure a job with our local septic tank cleaning company, I Suk Up. I had my septic tank cleaned out today. Sadly I am able to report that whatever else he is now doing to fill his days, Ure is not working for I Suk Up (proudly cleaning out septic tanks in Rodney for 25 years). The proprietor – giving a whole new meaning to hands on operator – recalled my efforts on his behalf, but reports that Ure never did apply for the job. His duaghter is still filling in for him.

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  31. krazykiwi (9,186 comments) says:

    Someone’s left the gate to the asylum open again.

    Someone escaped Kiwiblog?!?

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  32. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    Judith Collins has settled with Labour MPs Trevor Mallard and Andrew Little in the defamation case over comments she said linked her to the leaking of an email from former National Party president Michelle Boag over a massive ACC privacy breach.

    In a written statement Mallard and Little said they regretted implying Collins was involved.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/7945377/Collins-settles-defamation-case-with-Labour-MPs

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  33. Manolo (13,590 comments) says:

    The flesh is weak, extremely weak: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/13/top-us-commander-in-afghanistan-gen-john-allen-under-investigation-for-alleged/

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  34. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7949011/Jury-finds-Joel-Loffley-guilty-of-toddlers-murder

    Big tough homy eh…should get double the sentence for bullshitting.

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  35. Pete George (23,479 comments) says:

    The Collins versus Little Mallard case is settled and unspun by Cactus: http://asianinvasion2006.blogspot.hk/2012/11/the-settlement-unspun.html

    Collins may regret that there is no proper apology but that’s the settlement – regret.

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  36. David Garrett (7,112 comments) says:

    Following changes made as part of the “three strikes” Law, a sentence of Life Without Parole (LWOP) is now available to the sentencing judge for this piece of excrement Loffley. I don’t think he will get it.

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  37. axeman (252 comments) says:

    Desperate Climate “Justice” (WTF!) group trying to create relevance, gets a slapping http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/7945631/Industry-hits-back-at-buying-friends-claims

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  38. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    “I don’t think he will get it.”

    Why not ?….aw thats right, its Nil Ziland. I say kill the bastard.

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  39. Griff (7,519 comments) says:

    @ Axe man
    Wanna buy a bridge
    Special this hour! if you buy now I will throw in a second bridge absolutely free. Just send your credit card details to this Hotmail address

    “The companies say they are not “buying” anything – the only reason they have sponsorship budgets is so they can be good corporate members of the Taranaki community. “That’s ridiculous – an absolutely cynical thing to say,” Dennis Washer, the New Plymouth-based New Zealand general manager with oil exploration company AWE, said.”

    Yeah tui
    The sponsorship comes out of their pr budget :grin: To give the locals the warm fuzzies

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  40. axeman (252 comments) says:

    Well gwiff the ultimate keyboard warrior, you can always get out of your ‘all day seat’ and travel down from the north to the Naki and protest in solidarity with your alarmist know nothing comrades. :-) Nah thought not

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  41. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    Good.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7949011/Jury-finds-Joel-Loffley-guilty-of-toddlers-murder

    His Defence Counsel gave a good account of himself on Checkpoint about 5 mins ago. Worth listening to. I don’t agree that Loffley’s not guilty, but he gave a good account.

    Where’s it going to end, this behaviour, for we all know there are other Loffley’s out there, right now. Most of us could tick the recipe off on our fingers.

    RIP JJ. I’m sorry we failed you.

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  42. Griff (7,519 comments) says:

    Ha ha don’t you Know company’s spend money on pr Was the whole concept new to you?

    Your statement
    protest in solidarity with your alarmist know nothing comrades

    Solidarity: To most it’s what comrades do and has connotations of unions and the left. for me it signifies the down fall of communism in Poland

    Alarmist: The prognosis is as the scientist put forward. Am I alarmed not particularly My life expectancy is such that I doubt any significant effect on my life style. In New Zealand the effect will not be catastrophic just inconvenient at least in the next fifty years.

    Know nothing : I think you will find that guys like Mann, Henson and all the thousands of other scientist do not “Know nothing” they have a profound knowledge in their area of their expertise. You do not get phd’s in the weetbix packet

    Comrades: This is my favorite again. Any one who thinks the belief in global warming and climate change has any thing to do with political affiliation is quit frankly right. Climate denial is from conservative right wing usa along with such pearls of wisdom as creation science and if a lady gets raped it is good because god wanted it to happen.

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  43. Kea (12,434 comments) says:

    Any one who thinks the belief in global warming and climate change has any thing to do with political affiliation is quit frankly right. Climate denial is from conservative right wing

    Griff, you contradicted your first sentence with your second.

    The biggest single predictor, of belief in AGW, is left leaning political beliefs. I agree with your central idea that science has nothing to do with politics. But the correlation is very strong, as it is on a variety of issues.

    You are one of KB’s more lucid contributors, so I do actually pause and think about the fact you believe in this doomsday cult. However I am not convinced yet.

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  44. RightNow (6,987 comments) says:

    Gergis turned out to be a bit of a know nothing eh Griff?

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  45. axeman (252 comments) says:

    gwiff thinks the desperate “climate justice” [cough cough] twats’ accusations of “buying friends” is part of his CRITICAL THINKING on the AGW debate. There has got to be a Tui billboard in there. :-)

    gwiff says Alarmist: The prognosis is as the scientist put forward. Am I alarmed not particularly My life expectancy is such that I doubt any significant effect on my life style. In New Zealand the effect will not be catastrophic just inconvenient at least in the next fifty years.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/11/09/peat_ice_age_coming_only_co2_can_save_us/

    Hah. So if this turns out to be incorrect, I expect you will you be sobbing to the blogoshere about “who will apaologise to my grandchildren”?

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  46. RightNow (6,987 comments) says:

    Perhaps I should stop picking on Gergis. Karoly and Neukom were just as dumb.

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  47. Longknives (4,691 comments) says:

    David Garrett- I actually thought of your old sparring partner Philu when I saw that Labour/Green are going to bump up all benefits by $50 a week.
    Phillip will be absolutely creaming himself at the thought of another $50 a week of our ‘rich prick’ money to spend as he likes…(Cannabis)

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  48. Griff (7,519 comments) says:

    I do not believe in a cult except for the one of scientific endeavor. I try not to allow others beliefs affect me unless they have a constructive argument that I can verify on my own. I check sources and apply critical thinking .

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  49. Steve (North Shore) (4,547 comments) says:

    krazykiwi@ 4.07pm
    “Someone escaped Kiwiblog?!?”
    We wish some would escape, but no fun then. You can check out anytime but you can never leave, you know the song

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  50. Kea (12,434 comments) says:

    I do not believe in a cult except for the one of scientific endeavor. I try not to allow others beliefs affect me unless they have a constructive argument that I can verify on my own. I check sources and apply critical thinking .

    Maybe, but do the people informing your views subscribe to the same lofty ideals?

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  51. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    Do you live in the US Griff? Because you sem to be speaking a load of shit. I’m always ready to be convinced otherwise if you have firsthand knowledge of such beliefs.

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  52. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Are you opposed to critical thinking or checking sources on principle Monique, or do you just dislike Griff’s conclusions?

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  53. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    When we now have two four star generals,
    (Petraeus and Allen) mixed up in sex scandals,
    it seems we are dealing with a case of,

    “two many generals taking orders from their privates.”

    (Limbagh)

    P.S. Mrs Kelley is a real spunkrat compared to the very average looking hoe that bought about
    Petraeus’ downfall.

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  54. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Nice to have a good scandal now and then to entertain the populace. Is having an extramarital affair really a security risk, or is there some arrangement in the US to register such things with the FBI.

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  55. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Monique,
    You correctly observe,
    Griff seems to be speaking a load of shit. Of course he is.

    In 3433 posts from Griff he has revealed that his whole act is just a load of shit.
    Nothing new here.

    And by the way, when you have the likes of Mikenmild chiming in in your defence you know
    you have serious problems. Right Griff ?

    Of course, Mikenmild (typical of his ilk) Tries to help his mate by just asking questions.

    This from a tosser who has never addressed a question herself. Ever.

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  56. Longknives (4,691 comments) says:

    “We wish some would escape, but no fun then. You can check out anytime but you can never leave, you know the song”

    Nice Eagles reference but I think it’s more of a case of-
    There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man’s fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination- You’ve just crossed over into…KIWIBLOG!

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  57. Manolo (13,590 comments) says:

    DPF’s favourite for DOD: http://michellemalkin.com/2012/11/13/wapo-kerry-defense-secretary/

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  58. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Look at the totally naive post from mikenmild @ 7.29

    Proving that she has no idea about anything.
    No worldly experience.
    No worldly understanding whatsoever.

    Maybe some other kind person will explain to dear mm why the married head of the CIA having a sexual affair
    may be a potential security problem.

    What an effing moron.

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  59. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    A woman went to her doctor for a follow-up visit after the doctor had prescribed testosterone for her. She was a little worried about some of the side effects she was experiencing. “Doctor, the hormones you’ve been giving me have really helped, but I’m afraid that you’re giving me too much. I’ve started growing hair in places that I’ve never grown hair before.” The doctor reassured her. “A little hair growth is a perfectly normal side effect of testosterone. Just where has this hair appeared?” “On my balls…”

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  60. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    bereal
    Your comprehension skills seem a tad limited, so I shall attempt to rephrase. If you held a position of trust with one of our more secretive agencies, would your vetting be compromised by infidelities per se, or by your attempt to keep secrets from your employers?
    Hint: there is a difference.

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  61. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    It’s probably not much different for the PM in NZ….

    Ref: http://imgur.com/gallery/50Q53

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  62. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    mikenmild,
    no problem with my comprehension skills baby, however i have no idea at all what point you are trying to make @ 8.23
    i can’t understand what you are on about.

    By the way, why is it that your only act is just to ask questions ?

    Lets try and tie it down for you.

    You asked whether the head of the CIA having an affair was really a security risk.

    i pointed out that asking such a question proved that you were a naive, unworldly, article.

    Consider. Maybe the head of the CIA may have been opening himself up to the risk to be blackmailed.

    Now if you can’t grasp that i can’t help you anymore.

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  63. Griff (7,519 comments) says:

    From your link Mr Axeman

    The medieval warmup experienced by northern Europeans from say 900AD to 1250AD seems to have been at least as hot as anything seen in the industrial era. If it was worldwide in extent that would strongly suggest that global warming may just be something that happens from time to time, not something caused by miniscule concentrations of CO2 (the atmosphere is 0.04 per cent CO2 right now; this figure might climb to 0.07 per cent in the medium term).”

    May I address this opinion piece.

    The debate of the historical wpm is not central to climate change except as a noise from the echo chamber
    Yes the scientist are striving to understand past climate.
    The paper linked to in the story talks of a warm period of that we experienced in the industrial era
    would you like to share when the industrial era was

    Minuscule concentration
    As a proportion of green house gas in our atmosphere it is far from your quoted 0.04 per cent
    Total greenhouse gas

    water vapor, 36–70%
    carbon dioxide, 9–26%
    methane, 4–9%
    ozone, 3–7%

    35% of co2 has been by human civilization

    O2 nitrogen and argon are not green house gasses and make up most of the atmosphere. The contribution of green house gas also depends on the strength of the individual components effects Your percentage and all you argument around concentrations of co2 are predictably framed as from the denial nutters. Easily dismissed with open eyed exploration of your link

    People like you are so gullible.

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  64. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    I have a solution:

    Let’s just make the hole in the ozone bigger and let out some of the warming out.

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  65. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    bereal
    “Consider. Maybe the head of the CIA may have been opening himself up to the risk to be blackmailed.”
    Well, yeah, duh. Consider how positive vetting came about after a string of British homosexuals were compromised by the Russkies in the 1940s and 1950s. A reasonably basic principle is that employers who want to rely on your integrity would rather they had the goods on you already. If you are honest with them about your private secrets they will help you if any blackmailer tries it on. They probably can’t help you if the wife catches you at it.
    Does the CIA fire any employee that indulges in an extramarital affair? Or just ones that try to keep secrets that could potentially make them vulnerable to exploitation?

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  66. Griff (7,519 comments) says:

    Gives kiwis a wicked tan
    As you can see from the proportions. the ozone hole does in fact act as a coolant. It has reduced the temperature rise to a degree under its extent. :lol: getting nuked if I go out side is not my idea of nirvana

    Wiki
    The most important reaction of the CFCs is the photo-induced scission of a C-Cl bond:
    CCl3F → CCl2F. + Cl.
    The chlorine atom, written often as Cl., behaves very differently from the chlorine molecule (Cl2). The radical Cl. is long-lived in the upper atmosphere, where it catalyzes the conversion of ozone into O2. Ozone absorbs UV-B radiation, so its depletion allows more of this high energy radiation to reach the Earth’s surface. Bromine atoms are even more efficient catalysts, hence brominated CFCs are also regulated.

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  67. Kea (12,434 comments) says:

    nasska, I remember when they were telling us the “world will end” with the hole in the ozone. It all seems so quaint and credulous now.

    It seems these climate folk are prone to anxiety disorders.

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