General Debate 23 November 2012

November 23rd, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Longknives (4,686 comments) says:

    This ought to be just great for Tourism…

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7985787/Men-perform-haka-before-robbery

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  2. kowtow (7,977 comments) says:

    Such a culturally inappropriate use of the haka.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10849280

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  3. kowtow (7,977 comments) says:

    longknives

    snap

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  4. Pete George (23,357 comments) says:

    The Standard played a significant part in the anti-Shearer pro-Cunliffe campaign over the past two weeks. They vehemently deny any co-ordination or collusion, as usual claiming they are just a bunch of independent people who express their opinions. They also strongly defend their use of pseudonyms.

    But it’s known that multiple people use single pseudonyms, and individuals use multiple pseudonyms. That impacts on any credibility of the principal of the use of pseudonyms.

    And despite denials the use of a pseudonym that kicked off the campaign suggests a close Cunliffe involvement. ‘Eddie’ isn’t David Cunliffe, but…

    [DPF: I agree. I know for a fact Eddie has changed over time. It is very dishonest to have different people use the same pseudonym]

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  5. flipper (3,847 comments) says:

    I’m not a fan of Saunders Unsworth, a group I believe to have pretensions beyond their ability and status, but I have to say “well done” to Mr Unsworth for his email to that eel fool, Joy, at Massey. Unsworth’s point about tenured academics was also well made.

    Now that the Horrible Herald has posted Unsworth’s email (via red russel withone “L” (if only he had studied something other than Jim Anderton) Norman. Wonderful confirmation of the eel’s politics and sense.)), and listed Air New Zealand as one of Saunders Unsworth’s clients, I suppose the airline will be charged with inspiring the affair. I’ll bet the red morons will want to control Air New Zealand’s policies next.

    Whatever, well done Mr Unsworth for telling the eel some real joyful facts of life.

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  6. Lance (2,571 comments) says:

    Crap article of the day from the Hoorald

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10849317

    Booze bottles need warning that they are dangerous….. blaa blaa
    Second to last paragraph
    “The relative said Mr Taunoa had a “breathing problem” that could have contributed to his death.”
    Probably sleep apnea, so anything that causes a deep sleep could have been fatal but of course it is the booze’s fault.

    At least Judith Collins isn’t one to buy into the coroners silly recommendations of warning labels on booze.

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  7. Pete George (23,357 comments) says:

    There should also be warnings on bottled water: “Drinking this way wet your mouth”.

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  8. Lance (2,571 comments) says:

    WARNING
    Inhaling this bottled water may be fatal.

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  9. Pete George (23,357 comments) says:

    [DPF: It is very dishonest to have different people use the same pseudonym]

    Especially when used to hide the indentities of people making political attacks to the extent of trying to overthrow the leader of a party.

    And it’s also dishonest that, knowing pseudonyms are being misused, to claim “But folks, now you know why I insist on making sure that pseudonyms are respected.”

    This is lprent code for “don’t question our use of pseudonyms so it doesn’t show up our duplicity”.

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  10. Elaycee (4,337 comments) says:

    Warning labels? On liquor? FFS!

    What next? A warning on bananas telling you that eating them sideways may result in you choking? And a warning advising against trying to deep throat a carrot because you may throw up? Or don’t use a knife to slice a cucumber because you may cut off your finger???

    Sounds like there is a more urgent need for morons to be warned against breeding more morons… :D

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  11. kowtow (7,977 comments) says:

    Warning labels?

    Yep we sadly live in a society where we must literally be continually warned of each and every conceivable danger. And seen to be doing it.

    All part of the slow, insidious destruction and surrender of personal responsibilty ,growth of the state and loss of common sense.

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  12. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    There are no new stories. Only old ones with different words. It’s all been told before. Army of Darkness:

    http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2012/11/shearer-hail-to-king-baby.html

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  13. James Stephenson (2,097 comments) says:

    @Elaycee

    Awesome, official forehead tattoos: “Caution! Breeding with this person may cause idiot children.”

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  14. dime (9,690 comments) says:

    warning labels for alcohol. just incase Dime didnt realise drinking a litre of vodka could have adverse effects.

    next story on the news – some English chick telling us rodeos need to be banned. they have a petition with 10,000 signatures! WOW! 10,000!! thats AMAZING.

    Then im sure i heard something about a tax increasee being needed blah blah

    everyday we are just pounded with nanny state shit and people insisting on new taxes. what the hell is the end game?

    maybe we should all be in pods like in the matrix. would that make these people happy?

    i think there should be a ban on Dime kicking his toe on things. Surely this can be prevented. it hurts like a bitch

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  15. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    Yes – kowtow –

    It seems they probably think that by doing the Monkey Dance (aka – haka) that theyll get some cultural protection and have a komatua come and rescue them…….

    Idiots.

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  16. Odakyu-sen (528 comments) says:

    “Such a culturally inappropriate use of the haka.”

    To raise one’s spirits and level of aggression before launching on a raid to obtain someone else’s possessions? Seems entirely in accord with its original purpose.

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  17. Elaycee (4,337 comments) says:

    James Stephenson:

    Awesome, official forehead tattoos: “Caution! Breeding with this person may cause idiot children.”

    Brilliant! +1 :D

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  18. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    So Jane Clifton has shifted her affections to the other side now. I’m sure this is old news to many, but to those of us not in the beltway (thanks to deity of your choice) this begs the question of which other pollies has she humped during her long career?

    During her McCully days, or should that be nights, there was a distinct right turn evidenced in her columns to the extent that she became not worth reading due to the usual right wing propaganda trick of the bold assertion entirely lacking in evidence, so another question is does she do the Whale Oil trick of writing to please her current paymaster lover?

    Just wondering while resting on a nice summers day…waiting for the antibiotics to drive the bugs out of my throat and chest.

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  19. dime (9,690 comments) says:

    hey luc – what are you taking to cure your case of “shit for brains”?

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  20. voice of reason (491 comments) says:

    The french are copping it in Melbourne as well as here.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10849339

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  21. kowtow (7,977 comments) says:

    Arab Spring going swimmingly. Morsi ,the new dictator of Egypt .Nothing changes.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/1122/breaking57.html

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  22. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    @Dime thank for your kind words. Right in character. I wonder what you are like in real life: one of those obsequious hand wringers, I guess.

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  23. kowtow (7,977 comments) says:

    Abu Lucy has a throat and chest infection……….. Hamas cock sucking will do that.

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  24. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    Warning label for alcohol? Surely it should be banned altogether. It’s a dangerous and addictive drug that contributes to death. violence and teenage delinquency. Won’t someone think of the children!?!?

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  25. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    barry (1,045) Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 9:27 am

    Yes – kowtow –

    It seems they probably think that by doing the Monkey Dance (aka – haka)…

    Really? Monkey Dance?

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  26. Paulus (2,568 comments) says:

    I entirely agree with Rudman in today’s Herald re Auckland underground rail needed, as said, urgently.
    But as a taxPAYER, not resident in Auckland, or an Auckland visitor (except to the airport from the south) I entirely believe that any cost should be born by the Auckland Ratepayers not the rest of the country’s taxPAYERS.
    Go for it Rudders but pay for the thing yourselves.

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  27. Fletch (6,154 comments) says:

    So, even though the U.S is hugely in debt, Obama is giving $6 billion dollars to Muslim countries for ‘green’ projects.
    WTF is wrong with this guy?

    (CNSNews.com) – The White House announced the federal government will spend $6 billion over four years for a “sustainable energy future” plan with Asian countries that involves loaning tax dollars to other countries to increase their purchasing power for U.S. technology, services and equipment.

    “Recognizing that energy and the environment are among the most pressing issues confronting our region, President Obama, in partnership with Sultan Haji Hassanal Bolkiah of Brunei and President of the Republic of Indonesia Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, today proposed the U.S.-Asia Pacific Comprehensive Partnership for a Sustainable Energy Future,” the White House announced Tuesday as Obama visits Asian Pacific countries.

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/white-house-announces-6-billion-promote-clean-energy-asia

    FrontPageMag comments –

    In theory we’re supposed to get that money back. In practice, we’re giving two Asian Muslim countries 6 billion dollars to buy influence with. Not only will that money be used to help terrorists by empowering Muslim states in the region, but good luck seeing any of it again because there’s actually another tier to this scam.

    Obama is funneling money to Muslim countries so that they’ll buy Green Energy tech from his eco-crony capitalist donors. The shell game is that these companies are on the brink of bankruptcy and Obama is trying to use foreign aid to bail them out.

    http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/obama-to-spend-6-billion-dollars-for-muslim-green-energy/

    Another 4 years of this crap. Gangster government at it’s finest.
    The U.S is fast circling the bowl…

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  28. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    even though the U.S is hugely in debt

    That’s an exaggeration if I ever saw one. It’s only 100% of GDP, is denominated in $US and is mainly owed to domestic investors. And its deficit is tracking down and the profligacy of the Bush years is slowly being reeled in. Tax the rich buggers, cease military adventures, socialize the private medical insurance industry and all will be well, soon.

    And I’d rather they handed out money for green tech purchases than weapons of war!

    Kowtow, you would need to talk to Monique about that. She fantasies about having two Muslim cocks to play with!

    [DPF: 20 demerits]

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  29. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    “Monkey Dance” and now “Gangster government”… lol Whatever could these people be referring to? hmmmmmm

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  30. Fletch (6,154 comments) says:

    Luc, you’re being sarcastic right? :)
    Just making sure

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  31. david (2,557 comments) says:

    While waiting for a green light at an intersection where there were no cars going through in any direction, I heard a news report that a new study shows that traffic in Auckland will slow to walking pace unless the underground rail loop is built. Co-incidentally, the Greens have claimed that traffic densities have reverted to mid 2007 (or some time around then) levels so there is no justification for building roads.

    I don’t think that the highly perspicaceous Kiwiblog readers need it spelled out to them just how much in conflict these two positions are nor how a clue to the remedy lies in the first line of my comment but for those who need help I will type really slowly so that they can catch up.

    I suspect that there is a policy in Auckland’s traffic management to install dumb lights and to operate with timed phases derived from rush-hour measurements as a deliberate method of slowing traffic and increasing petrol usage and particulate pollution in the air. These give benefits to Council to the extent that more revenue will be gained when a regional fuel tax is levied and more control is gained as pollution figures force action and another excuse for forcing motorists off the road is found. Unfortunately the policy also increases the cost of doing business (delivery costs) and wasted time sitting still on empty roads waiting for a light bulb to turn off and another to turn on.

    Was a day when policemen would direct traffic when there was a jam-up and jams were “intelligently cleared” in a way that phased lights can never do. I contend that Auckland’s traffic woes would be easily fixed if they a) removed all the humps from roads that legitimately form part of the roading network but along which you can no longer safely travel at the speed limit. b) introduce “left turn on red” rules whereby if it is safe to turn without disrupting through traffic then you can do so (Ie return some degree of decision-making to motorists and trust them to make wise decisions or suffer the consequences) c) Introduce “flashing orange” lights outside rush hours. This is a form of give-way-to-everyone and as with the left-on-red rule returns decisions to the people on the spot rather than to a clock or computer algorithm. d) disband Auckland’s traffic control departnment and put the staff to work manually directing traffic in the rush hour.

    Bah humbug /rant over/

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  32. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    #susanalbumparty :)

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  33. dime (9,690 comments) says:

    “I wonder what you are like in real life” – well unlike yourself luc im employed. i contribute far more to the coffers than i take out..

    the cool thing with you lucy is we dont have to wonder what you are like. heres what we know:

    60 plus. you hate yourself. “survivor” of abuse from *insert family members name here*, youre creepy, youre naked a lot (probably a result of said abuse), you struggled to hold a decent job, im guessing a breeder.

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  34. Harriet (4,626 comments) says:

    More shit stirring from Stuffstaff-

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/7987473/Tattoo-tash-for-transgender-man

    The very last sentance is a lie, as according to gay health statistics on San Francisco – the most ‘gay friendly’ place on earth – they have the SAME suicide stats as other comparable cities.

    Gay suicide in NZ is NOT caused by discrimination!

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  35. Elaycee (4,337 comments) says:

    The very last sentence is a lie….

    Of course it’s a lie. Because propagandists aren’t interested in facts – only lies they can concoct and spin to suit their (current) agendas.

    For further proof, check out the ‘contributions’ to KB by the Hamas terrorist cheerleader – Abdul Ahmed Luc.

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  36. Weihana (4,496 comments) says:

    Harriet (732) Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    More shit stirring from Stuffstaff-

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/7987473/Tattoo-tash-for-transgender-man

    The very last sentance is a lie, as according to gay health statistics on San Francisco – the most ‘gay friendly’ place on earth – they have the SAME suicide stats as other comparable cities.

    San Francisco is a “liberal” city therefore growing up homosexual shouldn’t be a problem? Seems rather simplistic.

    Children by their nature are prone to group-think and casting out people who do not fit the norm. I don’t think this changes whether it’s Texas or the gay capital of the world. Children reflect the worst of our tribal instincts and I would proffer that growing up gay is an inherently challenging experience for a child as it challenges their ability to “fit in”.

    That a city is liberal does not make their children necessarily enlightened and tolerant and less prone to bullying and gay youth are probably going to be on the receiving end of that nastiness more often than others.

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  37. Lance (2,571 comments) says:

    @Paulus
    Absolutely
    Every region should have to pay for all it’s own roading + project expense.
    Opps that just fucked half the country (and all of the south island).

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  38. Pete George (23,357 comments) says:

    Things are getting bad when The Standard has a Caption Contest like this.
    http://thestandard.org.nz/caption-contest-42/

    Photo looks like it was chosen simply to be a target of abuse. Certainly not funny, it’s terribly sad, really.

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  39. RRM (9,670 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/7989732/Justin-Bieber-escapes-charges

    I thought this was going to be a cool story about Bieber growing a pair and kicking the shit out of some paparazzo, and my respect for him was therefore going to have to go up, big time.

    But no…

    [Bieber] then left the vehicle, charged at Hernandez-Duran and fell after taking a swing at his camera.

    So it sounds like he basically tripped over his own feet and made an arse of himself… disappointing.

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  40. nasska (10,917 comments) says:

    I think you’re getting a bit ahead of things there RRM. As yet no one has been able to substantiate rumours that he has grown his first pubic hair. :)

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  41. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    For further proof, check out the ‘contributions’ to KB by the Hamas terrorist cheerleader – Abdul Ahmed Luc.

    Mullah Abdul Ahmed Luc, to you, punk!

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  42. nasska (10,917 comments) says:

    “Mullah Abdul Ahmed Luc,”….

    Quran in one hand, his trusty AK47 nonchalantly slung from his shoulder the Mad Mullah adjusts the tea towel wrapped round his head. “Allah is Great”, he lisps to his faithful rag tag bunch of fellow lunatics before mounting his camel & heading off into the desert to seek goats to molest.

    Yeah….you’d fit in okay there Luc. :)

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  43. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    And five wives, nasska, that’s the best bit!

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  44. nasska (10,917 comments) says:

    They’d die of frustration. :D

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  45. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    So long as I had a smile on my dial, what’s the problem?

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  46. publicwatchdog (2,319 comments) says:

    (This should be fun! :)

    Here we go Kiwibloggers!

    In case you missed this?

    Can any of you help collect signatures on the SIGNATHON for a couple of hours over this weekend?

    Have YOU ‘switched off Mercury Energy’?
    ____________________________________________________________________________

    PRESS RELEASE: “The Switch Off Mercury Energy community group urges New Zealanders opposed to asset sales to support the nation-wide SIGNATHON this weekend!” Switch Off Mercury Energy Spokesperson, Penny Bright.

    This weekend, 24 -25 November 2012, there is a huge push all over New Zealand by the Keep Our Assets coalition to get the final 80,000 signatures required to help force a Citizens Initiated Referendum on the government’s proposed state asset sales.

    At 300 places, from the top of the North Island to the bottom of the South Island, New Zealanders will have an opportunity to sign this petition, which asks the House of Representatives to hold an ‘indicative referendum’ on the following question:
    “Do you support the Government selling up to 49% of Meridian Energy, Mighty River Power, Genesis Power, Solid Energy and Air New Zealand?”

    This Signathon site has over 300 collection points .

    Those who can help collect signatures at any of these 300 collection points are encouraged to sign on to the one that’s most convenient, and turn up at the location on the day.

    Those who can’t make it to one of the Signathon collection points but still have a bit of time to collect signatures on the weekend are being encouraged to download and print some petition forms for themselves.

    “National – who campaigned in the 2011 election on asset sales – has only 59 out of 121 MPs – which is not a majority. No majority = no mandate for asset sales,” says a Switch Off Mercury Energy Spokesperson, Penny Bright.

    “National were dependent on the votes of ACT Leader John Banks, MP for Epsom and United Future Leader Peter Dunne, MP for Ohariu for the passing of the Mixed Ownership Model Act – which scraped through the House 61 votes to 60.”

    “The Switch Off Mercury Energy community group calls on New Zealanders to consider backing up your signatures for this referendum against asset sales, with further ‘people power’ action that will help stop the proposed sale of the first State-Owned electricity asset under the Mixed Ownership Act – Mighty River Power – by ‘switching off’ Mercury Energy.”

    Mercury Energy is 100% owned by Mighty River Power, which is the first publicly owned state asset the current National Government is trying to privatise. Originally intended to start in September this year, due to public pressure the Government has delayed the sale until March 2013.

    While delayed, asset sales have not stopped. This Switch Off Mercury Energy campaign aims to stop the Government’s first asset sale plans by making Mighty River Power and unattractive investment.

    “Remember, ‘People power’ campaigns DO work!

    In 2008, Contact Energy (already privatised), increased electricity prices 12% and doubled their Directors’ fees. After public outrage they lost over 40,000 customers within six months and their profit was cut in half!

    For more information, on how to ‘Switch Off Mercury Energy’ and recommendations for where to ‘switch’ :

    http://switchoffmercuryenergy.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/SOME-11-September-2012-Switch-off-leaflet6g.pdf ” concludes Ms Bright.

    ______________________________________________________________________________________________

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  47. Steve (North Shore) (4,524 comments) says:

    Nutter alert, I’m off to another channel WOBH

    Attendee: Glenfield Trolley Darby 1995 (got trolleyed real bad)
    Attendee: Fish have brains study 1996 (closed down, lack of Govt funding)

    http://www.thistrollisfuckingmad.com

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  48. Elaycee (4,337 comments) says:

    Ahoy there Penny! So here we go again…. another ‘petition’ launched bearing your name – but destined to end with the same outcome… nothing! (Unless, of course you count satisfying your narcissistic tendencies as being a victory). :(

    But you’re still not answering the previous queries whether you’re the same Penelope Mary Bright who announced to an Auckland meeting (a rally, actually) that she was with the Workers Communist League? You know – the rally was also attended by John Bernard Minto (who, I assume is the ‘dodgyjohn’ who has, according to your website, gone) and also the Socialist Unity Party man, Bill Andersen…

    Is it all coming back to you now? :D

    Elaycee,
    Attendee: Carterton Dog Trials, Taratahi Hotel, 1980.
    Attendee: SIS Reunion Picnic (Location and date withheld).

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  49. RightNow (6,844 comments) says:

    How long before another rocket gets launched at Israel? I give it three weeks.

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  50. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Maybe someone with knowlege of how our parole system works could advise.

    When you have a double murderer (and triple killer) such as Stephen Ralf Stone.
    Who comes before the parole board every year from now on as he has served a pathetic 10 years for 2 murders.

    And he knows where the body of his last victim, Dean Fuller- Sandys was dumped, and will not disclose
    the location so Deans family can give him a proper burial.

    Why would you grant Stone parole ?

    Evidence given at three seperate trials shows that there were 5 people in the car that carried Dean to his
    dumping ground.
    Mark Hendricksen was driving, Stone was in the passengers seat, directing operations,
    3 others in the back seat (names supressed) All of whom confirmed the circumstances in their evidence
    during the trials.

    Why would this piece of shit, Stone, even be condsidered for parole before he reveals where they dumpted Deans body.

    Hendrickson has done his time and has now been released. He wont talk.
    This smart arsed POS Hendricksen said in his evidence at Maneys trial, “There are plenty of holes up in the Waitakeries
    that no one wants to talk about .”

    All the others except Stone were given imunity for their testimony.

    Why would any decent society ever release Stone ?

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  51. Pete George (23,357 comments) says:

    I’ve just met DPF for the first time (he’s down here for NetHui), great to have a chance at last to meet someone whose place I have gatecrashed so much for so long. Had a good chat, mostly listening :)

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  52. nasska (10,917 comments) says:

    I bumped into my mate this morning, looking rather exhausted.

    “Bloody Hell, Dave, you look awful,” I said. “Everything okay?”

    “It’s my wife,” he began. “She’s piling on the weight lately and it’s giving me restless nights.”

    “Got concerns about her health?” I asked.

    “No, mate,” he replied. “We’ve got a really squeaky fridge door.”

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  53. Steve (North Shore) (4,524 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/7989732/Justin-Bieber-escapes-charges

    Looks like a horny lesbian to me

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  54. nasska (10,917 comments) says:

    How to get ahead in life.

    Ref: http://imgur.com/gallery/v3hlp

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  55. Steve (North Shore) (4,524 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10849584&ref=rss

    Oh Boy

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  56. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    RightNow (4,567) Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 7:23 pm
    How long before another rocket gets launched at Israel? I give it three weeks.

    It will be straight after the next remote controlled murder by a drone, or F16, or a killing to kill the time for a bored IDF drugged up crazy.

    Ot maybe just that Israel won’t live up to the terms of the truce, which it never does, anyway.

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