General Debate 26 November 2012

November 26th, 2012 at 8:00 am by David Farrar
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  1. Colville (1,779 comments) says:

    Those fu*king Blackcaps!
    Just when you think they suck they go and spoil it!

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  2. Pete George (21,826 comments) says:

    I don’t known if this is deliberate or inadvertent but it appears as if David Shearer is supporting a campaign to have a party-wide leadership vote (using 40/40/20) in Februrary. Shearer supporting February leadership vote?

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  3. Elaycee (4,081 comments) says:

    Colville (re the Black Caps):

    Just when you think they suck they go and spoil it

    But at least we can ‘depend’ on JetStar – according to the Hoorald, they’ve just cancelled a Christmas Eve flight from Melbourne to Auckland, for ‘safety problems’… and some passengers are rightly pissed because they’ve been offered an alternate flight that arrives in Auckland on….. Boxing Day!

    Another ‘customer service’ shambles courtesy of JetStar. :(

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10849929

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  4. David Garrett (5,150 comments) says:

    Meanwhile, over at Camp NZ First, things are looking a little sticky for weatherman turned poli, Brendan Horan…But wont it look a little hypocritical if Peter’s sacks him for dishonesty when there is still the little matter of $158K of taxpayers money still unresolved?

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  5. Lance (2,311 comments) says:

    Yah gets whats yah pays for…

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10849929

    Actually with JetStar you don’t even get that.

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  6. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    Pete,

    I see there are only two comments on that Robertson post on Red Alert. It would seem that the Labour Party faithful in the blogosphere are not wallowing in Grant’s spin.

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  7. Colville (1,779 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/7997285/Taliban-attack-planner-killed
    Good job I say.
    “revenge” isnt mentioned even once in the article tho.

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  8. joana (1,983 comments) says:

    What is the saying and where does it come from? Revenge is a dish best served cold??

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  9. Colville (1,779 comments) says:

    Served cold?

    I dunno what temp it is at the center of a air to ground rocket warhead explosion but I doubt its cold :-)

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  10. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    “Those fu*king Blackcaps!
    Just when you think they suck they go and spoil it!”

    They still suck. (One good day at the crease doesn’t make up for two seasons of woeful performances)

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  11. All_on_Red (950 comments) says:

    Rumblings from across the ditch indicate Julia Gillard might be rolled this week . It would be a shame if it happens before she has to answer more questions this week.
    Worst Prime Minister in Australia’s history I reckon.

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  12. Keeping Stock (9,791 comments) says:

    @ Longknives – at least it seems that Ross Taylor and Kane Williamson may have taken in some of what Martin Crowe suggested. What they showed yesterday (and I only saw about 45 minutes, just before the tea break) was disciplined batting, playing straight and knuckling down to the job.

    It might not have been pretty, and it might not have been entertaining for anyone other than the cricketing purists. But it was just the kind of application that this blogger has been demanding of our test players. It was good too to see Taylor leading from the front. In the long term, it might be a good plan to relieve him of the ODI and T20 captaincy and just let him focus on leading the test side. He is the best batsman in the team, and at 28 could potentially lead the test side for another five to seven years.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/11/a-letter-to-black-caps.html

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  13. TimG_Oz (883 comments) says:

    I was talking to Michael Klinger and David Hussey last night after the Victoria vs South Australia game. I suggested they follow Luke Ronchi to play cricket for NZ. Hussey said a firm no, but Klinger was not so sure …

    The selectors should start poaching more Aussies I reckon.

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  14. dc (173 comments) says:

    Regarding this post about user-generated content on stuff.co.nz, I posted a script to hide it (would have been quicker but Userscripts took all weekend to create my account).

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  15. Pete George (21,826 comments) says:

    I see there are only two comments on that Robertson post on Red Alert.

    Yes, that’s interesting. The fact that the party vote campaign comment is allowed suggests it might just be a lack of interest at Red Alert now, apart from occasional critical visitors and a handful of regular defenders there’s not much interest there.

    But it was notable that Robertson did a couple of posts (he rarely ventures there), and it has been noticed that he has acknowledged The Standard despite Shearer’s dissing of anonymous blogs as ‘nonsense’.

    Is the leadership trying to reach out to the activists without Shearer being seen to have changed his mind about blogs?

    Or is Robertson trying to build personal brownie points?

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  16. Longknives (4,048 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock- The best thing we could do is ‘relieve’ all our players from the debacle that is T20 ‘Hit and Giggle’.
    Big money or not the skill base of New Zealand’s top cricketers has eroded dramatically since they became involved in this meaningless slogfest circus.
    T20 has no skill factor- it is purely unrefined slogging. Watching our obnoxious gum-chewing top order (self-professed T20 ‘Specialists’) trying to play ‘ramp shots’ and cross the line heaves in the first session of a Test match is embarrassing and insults the legacy of the great test batsmen that have gone before them.
    Oh for a Bruce Edgar, a John Wright or an Andrew Jones to knuckle down and bat for a day or two…
    Now all we get is the self-professed ‘Master Blaster’ McCullum (a VERY poor man’s excuse for Viv Richards) trying to belt everything out of the park in the first session on day one.
    For the love of the game! Can’t New Zealand offer Hashim Amla residency or something?

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  17. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    Taliban attack planner killed

    Ahh so retribution is served. I’d be curious to know how compelling the evidence was against this guy. Shame he couldn’t have been captured and tried in a more civilized manner.

    Still, the West seems quite comfortable with extra-judicial assassination on the whole – so long as it’s only Dirty Ay-rabs on the receiving end.

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  18. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    As for Andrew Hore – well the evidence that this guy is a disgrace to the black jersey seems overwhelming. Seems taking cheap shots at man and helpless wildlife alike is all in a days work for this asshole.

    Guy should be sacked permanently, not the least for the damage he’s done to the All Black brand.

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  19. Manolo (12,637 comments) says:

    Secession is the hot topic in today’s Spain: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/catalonia-test-spanish-unity-separatist-vote-180102975–sow.html

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  20. dime (8,778 comments) says:

    “As for Andrew Hore – well the evidence that this guy is a disgrace to the black jersey seems overwhelming. Seems taking cheap shots at man and helpless wildlife alike is all in a days work for this asshole.”

    god youre a douche bag.

    what he did 7 years ago wasnt great. im sure he regrets it. he paid his debt to society.

    fast forward 7 years he hits a guy so now his career should come to an end?

    such compassion from the girly lefty.

    he should get a long suspension for whaking that dude. the end of his career, i think not.

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  21. Manolo (12,637 comments) says:

    Shame he couldn’t have been captured and tried in a more civilized manner.

    The eternal appeaser you are will be thanking your violent Muslim masters when you prostrate in front of them.

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  22. Grendel (875 comments) says:

    anyone else run into the sad losers trying to shoehorn their politics into peoples social events over the weekend.

    we swung past the hobbit market and there were two saddos trying to annoy everyone with their clipboard, but from the brief time i saw them they got no traction, and in fact most people seemed to think that sad losers wearing suits with clipboards on a sunday must have been the information desk, so they were having to field queries about where the toilets or ATMs were.

    also got accosted in Jville, where one of the losers was outside the mall annoying people, this lot had also decided to deface lots of public property with their sad little home made signs, i helped out by putting them in the appropriate receptacle.

    you have to wonder about the sense of entitlement or superiority that leads someone to think that a nice summer day, when families are out enjoying themselves is the right time to try and barge your politics down their throat.

    the greens and labour have had nearly a year since they lost round 1 (the election) on this minor issue, and they still cannot get enough public support no matter how much they violate the spirit of ‘citizens initiated referendum’ or how much money they spend trying to get signatures. its beyond pathetic.

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  23. Manolo (12,637 comments) says:

    Pravda (!) on the Messiah:
    Recently, Obama has been re-elected for a 2nd term by an illiterate society and he is ready to continue his lies of less taxes while he raises them.

    http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/19-11-2012/122849-obama_soviet_mistake-0/

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  24. voice of reason (491 comments) says:

    “Scott Chris (4,624) Says:

    November 26th, 2012 at 10:37 am
    As for Andrew Hore – well the evidence that this guy is a disgrace to the black jersey seems overwhelming”

    Hardly overwhelming – this will be his first citing. Sure he clocked the welsh lock with a swinging arm and he will probably get a 4-6 week ban, but to label him a disgrace to the All Blacks is pure hyperbole. As for damaging to the All Black brand? I dont think so. The “Brand” as you call it was built by hard, tough uncompromising play over decades including many acts similar to this one. …. Skinner vs Boks, Meads v Catchpole, Meads v Scotland, Fergie v Sid Nomis, Ashworth v JPR, Cowboys Shaw v everyone, Buck v Hugh Williams et all

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  25. Viking2 (10,734 comments) says:

    Anyone else like me, getting sick of reading about Shearer on this blog?
    Mind you its probably and indication that DPF and the Nats are starting to run scared.

    would be much more interested to hear what the Nats. are going to do to get this country moving again rather than vague excuses about business enviorment and all that piss weak blather.
    Still don’t have youth rates for a start.

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  26. Manolo (12,637 comments) says:

    Very, very perceptive of you, Viking.
    The hapless and feeble National Party has performed badly and is counting on an even more pathetic Labour Party to win the next election and continue governing New Zealand.

    No leadership, no vision, no direction: that sums up well Key and Labour lite.

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  27. kowtow (6,717 comments) says:

    Me, no problem with taking out terrorists.

    Problem with operational matters being publicised for public consumption and presumably political capital.

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  28. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    V2′s big idea, youth rates to make our young carry even more of the burden and even while our wealthiest are contributing less.

    Oh, sorry, I forgot cycleways. A little bird told me Obama was very excited about that idea when JK ran it past him last week!

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  29. Scott (1,614 comments) says:

    Further to what Manolo and Viking 2 are saying about national – they appear to have abdicated doing anything meaningful about fixing the economy. Our unemployment rate is the higher since 1999. My understanding is that over 25% of our youth are unemployed. So on the economic front the national government is not doing well.

    On the social front they appear to have abdicated governance in favour of the rainbow wing of the Labour Party. They are allowing gay marriage and very shortly gay adoption to become the law of the land. The select committee hearings on same-sex marriage are chaired by Ruth Dyson Labour with the assistance of Kevin Hague of the Greens.. The national party members of the select committee appear to not want to be there or else seem to be in favour of gay marriage. So basically the Labour Party, despite having lost the last 2 elections, is still running the show on the social front.

    So economically the national government is not helping New Zealand to gain any ground or to get people back to work. On the social front they are asleep at the wheel while Labour is essentially running the show. Can anyone remember why we voted for this government again?

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  30. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    kowtow

    Your terrorist is their freedom fighter. Trite but true.

    The best way to stop our soldiers from getting killed playing was is leave them at home!

    I wonder how many children died in that attack?

    There’s a few mutilated bodies in evidence in this clip:

    [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHYOkCmEjFA&w=560&h=315

    of the slaughter in Gaza that you won’t see in the local news.

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  31. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Can anyone remember why we voted for this government again?

    We got bored with Helen, that’s all.

    Simple folk, down these parts.

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  32. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    Abu Luc

    Watched a few minutes of the propaganda clip you linked to & I now have major concerns for the situation in Palestine…..namely were all the participants paid up members of Actors Equity.

    After the last one where the dead came to life out of camera shot I’d hate to think that there were any scabs working for the socialists.

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  33. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Miko Peled: “The General’s Son”

    Miko Peled is the a former Israeli Army soldier and the son on an Israeli general who was involved in the founding of the country,

    His family, including his father, has a very different version of Israel’s founding. One very different than the garbage history rammed downed the throats of Americans by a careless, cowardly and corrupt US news media.

    http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/israelpalestine/how-israel-came-to-be.html

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  34. Manolo (12,637 comments) says:

    Can anyone remember why we voted for this government again?

    Because some of us thought it would be a departure from comrade Clark and socialist Labour. We were very wrong.

    Key and today’s enfeebled National Party are simply the other side of the coin of the same devalued progressive ideology.

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  35. graham (2,211 comments) says:

    And some of us found that Helen was getting a bit too comfortable after 8 years in the job, and was getting far more dictatorial in year 9.

    I suspect that anybody in the top job will suffer from the same delusions of grandeur after 8 or 9 years.

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  36. dime (8,778 comments) says:

    Dime is over Shearer.

    It is time for National to start doing a bit more. Its all a bit too softly softly for mine.

    Luc – youre always banging on about the rich. how much welfare did you receive this week? just a mean spirited, creepy old nudist who wants to see young people remain unemployed so they wont get in the way of your creepy, and just plain wrong, idealogy

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  37. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    he should get a long suspension for whaking that dude. the end of his career, i think not.

    I’m talking about harm done to the brand ya knuckle dragger – but then, what level of perspicacity would you expect from a WWF fan.

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  38. Manolo (12,637 comments) says:

    Scott Chris, you really are a girl’s blouse, aren’t you?

    Damage to the AB brand? My backside.
    The whole incident will be forgotten in a matter of weeks, which is not to say Hore does not deserve a lengthy suspension.

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  39. dime (8,778 comments) says:

    Damage to the brand?? lol yeah im sure when next negotiating the TV rights sky will say “well, we know you’re the world champions and haven’t lost for 20+ games but andrew hore did whack a guy. so we are taking off 5 million”

    also heard at Adidas HQ “did you see what Andrew Hore did on the weekend?? we need to drop our All Blacks production by 20%. The brand is just damaged”

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  40. kowtow (6,717 comments) says:

    Abu Lucy

    Fuck off with your “freedom fighter” bollocks. Taliban are not freedom fighters. They are fucking terrorists who terrorise and murder the children of their own country. Of course “country” does not apply to these “freedom fighters” as they are fighting for the Mohamedan ideal which we all know is hell on Earth.

    Crawl back under your Islam apologist rock and keep praying for the Caliphate.

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  41. dime (8,778 comments) says:

    “Shame he couldn’t have been captured and tried in a more civilized manner.”

    chrissy is right. forget that its a war and he was killed by an airstrike. two unarmed police people should have turned up. a male and a female. the female dressed in proper islamic attire/ ninja suit. they should have prayed with the man and the very respectfully asked if he would accompany them for questioning. they should have also arranged counseling for his family .

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  42. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Sure nasska, we understand how this works for people like you and other Pallywood inventors: you ‘other’ those who are different from you and you don’t see kids with their heads blown apart – yes, the grey matter is brains of a kid about the same age as my daughter – and no, I don’t wish that fate upon your children, notwithstanding the temptation to descend to you level.

    Readers of this blog will get a much better appreciation for what it’s like under attack from modern armaments and the resilience and bravery of the victims by watching the video above.

    PS Can anyone kindly tell me how I get the youtube vids to pop up in screen format?

    hinamanu – nice link, thanks. Although is it actually an indicator of racism that we have to present white people speaking on these topics instead of the people living through it?

    Here is an analysis by one such person

    http://popular-resistance.blogspot.co.nz/2012/11/gaza-redux-analysis.html

    and the best way to lay bare the lies behind Israel’s mantra that “It’s all about the rockets!” is to study what continues in the West Bank in the complete absence of said rockets.

    For example:

    Israeli attacks on non-violent demonstrations in the West Bank: Israeli forces used excessive force to disperse peaceful protests organized by Palestinian civilians in the West Bank. 2 Palestinian demonstrators were killed; one in Ramallah and the other one in Hebron. Israeli attacks in the West Bank: The Israeli forces conducted 77 incursions into Palestinian communities in the West Bank The Israeli forces abducted 76 Palestinians, including 6 children, ex-prisoner Tha’er Halahla, and two women. 4 Palestinians, including 2 children, were wounded during incursions conducted by Israeli forces. In addition, 2 of the wounded persons were abducted. Full Report
    link to http://www.imemc.org

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  43. Lance (2,311 comments) says:

    @Manolo
    “Damage to the AB brand? My backside.”

    Now I think your backside would damage the AB brand. Peoples eyes would hurt and the mere mention of the AB’s will cause hysterical shrieking.

    But seriously, you are right. Idiotic news beat up.

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  44. Elaycee (4,081 comments) says:

    Abdul Ahmed Lucy:

    Your terrorist is their freedom fighter.

    So the terrorists who flew aircraft into the twin towers were… freedom fighters?
    And the terrorists who flew a plane into the Pentagon?
    And the terrorists who blew up the London underground (and overground)?
    And the terrorists who blew up the train in Spain?
    And the terrorists who blew up the nightclubs in Bali?
    And the terrorists who blew up Mumbai?
    And the terrorists who fired over 1,000 rockets into Israel this year?

    What total bollocks, A. A. Lucy. They were / they are bloody terrorists!

    But if you actually believe your propagandist version, then you’ll really want to purchase the nice Nigerian Financial instruments I have for sale.

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  45. Elaycee (4,081 comments) says:

    Abdul Ahmed Lucy:

    Readers of this blog will get a much better appreciation for what it’s like under attack from modern armaments and the resilience and bravery of the victims…

    Great idea, A. A. Lucy – so here is the link:

    http://www.idfblog.com/

    Note: 933 rockets have been fired by the Hamas terrorists into the sovereign state of Israel since 14th November.

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  46. kowtow (6,717 comments) says:

    Rhetorical question. Why does Abu Lucy not condemn the “freedom fighters” of the Taliban who are murdering fellow Pakistanis in indiscriminate bombings of Shia religious processions?

    http://www.khaleejtimes.com/displayarticle.asp?xfile=data/international/2012/November/international_November885.xml&section=international&col=

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  47. Lance (2,311 comments) says:

    Luc’s freedom fighters that shoot young girls in the head for wanting education for all girls.

    Yea Luc, real heroes.

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  48. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    Lance

    You mean organised resistance to the scum such as depicted in this link? No wonder the simian Taliban are filling their boots.

    Ref: http://imgur.com/timWG

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  49. Reid (15,593 comments) says:

    Luc’s freedom fighters that shoot young girls in the head for wanting education for all girls.

    Whereas others’ freedom fighters use Made in USA artillery shells and 250 lb bombs to kill young girls.

    But that’s different isn’t it. Those are “accidents.” Funny how “accident” after “accident” after “accident” just keeps on happening, and yet, some people persist nevertheless in an almost heroic struggle, in believing that time after time after time after time, it’s always, an “accident.”

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  50. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    Reid

    …”Whereas others’ freedom fighters use Made in USA artillery shells and 250 lb bombs to kill young girls. “….

    Perhaps the jug was boiling or something important came up so that you couldn’t finish the sentence.

    Whereas others’ freedom fighters use Made in USA artillery shells and 250 lb bombs to kill young girls “whose cowardly spineless fathers & uncles hid behind them & the skirts of their mothers while setting up rockets they intended to fire at young Israeli girls”

    There…..FIFY.

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  51. wat dabney (3,463 comments) says:

    Reid,

    By your warped logic the Allied liberation of Europe was morally no different from the barbaric Nazi occupation of same, because of all the collateral deaths it caused; “and yet, some people persist nevertheless in an almost heroic struggle, in believing that time after time after time after time, it’s always, an “accident.””

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  52. Elaycee (4,081 comments) says:

    @nasska: Thanks for that – I was in the middle of correcting the very same error when I saw your comment… :D

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  53. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    And of course as Abu Luc & Reid endlessly tell us the rockets fired by the Palestinians from the cover of schools & mosques always explode harmlessly in paddocks in the countryside.

    Yeah Right! Ref: http://www.algemeiner.com/2012/11/15/3-israeli-civilians-killed-in-gaza-rocket-attack-on-kiryat-malachi-baby-critically-injured-graphic-photos-2/

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  54. Scott Chris (5,682 comments) says:

    By your warped logic the Allied liberation of Europe was morally no different from the barbaric Nazi occupation of same, because of all the collateral deaths it caused

    Ya the Dresden obliteration was morally justified by: But they started it!

    Nasty business war. Everyone behaving badly.

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  55. Reid (15,593 comments) says:

    And of course as Abu Luc & Reid endlessly tell us the rockets fired by the Palestinians from the cover of schools & mosques always explode harmlessly in paddocks in the countryside. Yeah Right!

    Of the 1500 or so fired in response to the offensive: i.e. they wouldn’t have fired 1500 if there wasn’t an offensive, Iron Dome ignored about 700 of them, since they weren’t going to hit anything. Iron Dome tracks the ballistic path and ignores it if it’s going to land in a field or in water.

    Congratulations on finding one innocent Israeli fatality though. They’re much harder to find than the innocent Palestinian human beings who are also tragically murdered by thugs.

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  56. Weihana (4,475 comments) says:

    wat dabney (2,115) Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 3:19 pm

    Reid,

    By your warped logic the Allied liberation of Europe was morally no different from the barbaric Nazi occupation of same, because of all the collateral deaths it caused…

    And Afghanistan and Germany are so similar. :)

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  57. Weihana (4,475 comments) says:

    “whose cowardly spineless fathers & uncles hid behind them & the skirts of their mothers while setting up rockets they intended to fire at young Israeli girls”

    Seems a pretty stupid place to hide. Sure they weren’t just in the same vicinity? Apparently some families like to reside together in the same building. Strange practice indeed.

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  58. Reid (15,593 comments) says:

    By your warped logic the Allied liberation of Europe was morally no different from the barbaric Nazi occupation of same, because of all the collateral deaths it caused; “and yet, some people persist nevertheless in an almost heroic struggle, in believing that time after time after time after time, it’s always, an “accident.””

    wat that’s a complete misrepresentation of my position. See, in WWII the Nazis were the bad guys. This is because they started it. They’re the ones who are the aggressors. Now I’m not sure why people like you fail to see the very elementary fact that in this today in Israel, it’s Israel who is the aggressor. Why people like you hallucinate that Israel is acting defensively, I have no idea, because that’s not what we see in fact happening, all the time. If you were a hysterical gibbering idiot who was deaf and blind I could understand one having this opinion, but I get stunned all the time when I see such a fantasy being not just held but promulgated as a serious argument about how the world really is, by people apparently in all other ways, completely compos mentis.

    I mean the world should not be this way. How can an entire group of people be so sane in every other setting and yet so collectively bonkers on this one area of distorted reality? It’s a fascinating aspect of modern life.

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  59. Manolo (12,637 comments) says:

    While Rome burns these two embrace: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8570426/another-synthetic-cannabis-product-banned

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  60. Manolo (12,637 comments) says:

    … it’s Israel who is the aggressor. Why people like you hallucinate that Israel is acting defensively, I have no idea, because that’s not what we see in fact happening,..

    You’re taking the piss, are you not?

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  61. bhudson (4,720 comments) says:

    No, Manolo, he’s not. Of course the real reason he holds Israel as the aggressor is that its all part of a satanist plot to take over the world and is being led by the illuminati.

    I can’t bring myself to ‘cut & paste’ parts of the plot – you can find it here http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/11/plunket_on_conspiracy_theorists.html#comment-1052443

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  62. Lance (2,311 comments) says:

    LOL
    Reid without fail obfuscates any relevant point made against him.

    I suspect Reid is some lefty politician. He’s slippery enough.

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  63. kowtow (6,717 comments) says:

    Bollocks to Dresden, what about Coventry or Nanking?

    It’s only bad when “we” do it ,isn’t it ? When the others do it ,no problem. Apologists and appeasers.

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  64. Reid (15,593 comments) says:

    Ya the Dresden obliteration was morally justified

    What don’t you guys get about this not being an ethical value judgement issue. It’s a simple question of fact. Very straight-forward. In population control psychology, what has this offensive resulted in? What things good or bad have changed in the psyche of the population you are trying to manage?

    That’s the only question. It’s not an ethical value judgement at all.

    And Dresden wasn’t justified in my view. Not in any perspective. It was straight-out slaughter for little military value. It was payback for the blitz and showed Stalin what the UK was prepared to do. But it wasn’t necessary, not if you know your history, how Churchill weighed the equation and what the military situation was in Dresden.

    Coventry was a failure of the signals intelligence division to jam the navigation beams that particular night. Yes it was bad as was Nanking. That was shocking.

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  65. Elaycee (4,081 comments) says:

    Reid:

    Now I’m not sure why people like you fail to see the very elementary fact that in this today in Israel, it’s Israel who is the aggressor.

    Jesus wept.

    Of course, Reid. The arsewipe Hamas terrorists fire in excess of a thousand rockets over the border into the sovereign state of Israel and yet somehow, you believe Israel (in defending it’s own people and it’s own land from repeated terrorist attacks) is the aggressor…..

    Your poor bugger. Either you’ve really lost the plot or your laptop has been taken over by Abdul Ahmed Lucy… :(

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  66. Rex Widerstrom (5,129 comments) says:

    All_on_Red suggests:

    Rumblings from across the ditch indicate Julia Gillard might be rolled this week

    Well she certainly has her back to the wall. Even though Paul “I’ll do you slowly” Keating had a few choice turns of phrase, as did Mark “conga line of suckholes” Latham (though he never got to be PM) they were aimed at political opponents.

    Gillard has just called the man who’s raised questions about her involvement in a union “slush fund” which used members’ money to buy houses for union officials as:

    a complete imbecile, an idiot, a stooge, a sexist pig and a liar

    I can’t recall a Prime Minister on either side of the Tasman launching such an attack on a member of the public (the delightful and cowardly Ron Mark did, of course, make a comment about me that was probably worse, but he’s amounted to nothing). For someone in that position to resort to that sort of a spray suggests a level of desperation, I would say.

    Audio available here.

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  67. Akaroa (487 comments) says:

    “And Dresden wasn’t justified in my view. Not in any perspective. It was straight-out slaughter for little military value. It was payback for the blitz and showed Stalin what the UK was prepared to do. But it wasn’t necessary, not if you know your history, how Churchill weighed the equation and what the military situation was in Dresden”.

    Read your input with interest Reid, took me right back to when as a four year old in UK my parents used to pick me up and head for the air raid shelters when the ol’ Nazis came over to bomb seven colours of s–t out of our towns and cities.

    Mate, don’t talk to me about Dresden, or Hamburg, or Berlin or Nuremburg or any other of those ‘fine old historic’ German cities. They deserved everything they got, and then some.

    And, BTW, the destruction of Dresden wasn’t only legitimate retaliation for damage and deaths sustained in UK – or “payback’ as you put it. It was to assist the Soviet advance into eastern Germany and to continue with the allied campaign of destroying German infrastructure and – yes, people – so much so that they’d never fall for another Hitler ever again!! And so far they haven’t!

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  68. Ryan Sproull (6,661 comments) says:

    Of course, Reid. The arsewipe Hamas terrorists fire in excess of a thousand rockets over the border into the sovereign state of Israel and yet somehow, you believe Israel (in defending it’s own people and it’s own land from repeated terrorist attacks) is the aggressor…..

    The arsewipe Israeli government bulldozes farms and forcibly evicts people from their land and yet somehow, you believe Hamas (in defending its own people and its own land from repeated attacks) is the aggressor…

    (Sorry, couldn’t help but fix the “its”/”it’s” mistakes in there.)

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  69. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    Since introducing Abu Luc & Reid to the real world has been fraught with problems so far I thought that perhaps a multiple choice question might help to refocus things for them. First study the photo of a rocket intended to kill Israeli civilians being launched from Palestine. Ref: http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/three-die-after-palestinian-rocket-attack-574335.html

    Where was the rocket being launched from?

    a) The deck of a submarine
    b) The middle of a densely populated area
    c) From under the cover of date palms in the middle of a desert.

    If you think that (b) is the correct answer can you tell us in your own words (500 words or less) exactly how Israeli forces can take out the rocket launching site without endangering Palestinian women & children?

    Warning: An honest answer may cause massive cognitive dissonance & a rejection of academic & socialist Islamic propaganda.

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  70. Reid (15,593 comments) says:

    It was to assist the Soviet advance into eastern Germany and to continue with the allied campaign of destroying German infrastructure

    No it wasn’t. Dresden was packed with refugees fleeing the Russians. It was a historic mediaeval wooden city with virtually no defences and nothing strategically significant in terms of war production capability. It was an atrocity same as killing 10,000 Polish Officers in Katyn was an atrocity same as anything the Germans did.

    I don’t understand why people hallucinate that a word like “atrocity” can only ever be applied to someone they don’t like. That’s totally mental. And yet people do it all the time. So what if Churchill committed an atrocity. So what if Stalin did. That’s the question to address. And yet people somehow seem to address this like a child, by pretending nothing atrocious happened. What’s with that, because I don’t get that line of thinking at all.

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  71. Reid (15,593 comments) says:

    If you think that (b) is the correct answer can you tell us in your own words (500 words or less) exactly how Israeli forces can take out the rocket launching site without endangering Palestinian women & children?

    With 0.5 inch sniper rounds at night, using stealth helicopters and infra-red and night vision and everything else the Israelis have freely available to them and I would have been doing this constantly every night, year after year after year since Cast Lead. The only reason it’s difficult to do the same thing at daytime is the RPG.

    During the day you’ve got Iron Dome, which as I said, ignore the ones which aren’t going to hit something which is at least 50% and who cares about them.

    If I thought about and did some research on what hardware the IDF has I bet I could come up with hundreds, yes hundreds of ways to suppress the rockets by punishing the fuck out of the thugs whilst never harming any innocents at all. Why is it none of you people can do this because if I can the IDF sure could as well and they have, of course. But the leadership pursue another route.

    Why can’t you people get this.

    The rockets are never going to stop until Israel, who has all the options and all the power, decides to change its tactics, because they’re not working. They aren’t. No-one sane can possibly hallucinate they’re working. But you mentals, at this point, seem to throw up your hands in despair, turn to look at the people who are doing this in response to stimuli and then you just go completely mental.

    You munt and moan and rend your clothes at the evil tewwowist thugs, which they are, but never ever think about why they do what they do. What the fuck is it, that stops you from thinking about that?

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  72. HB (267 comments) says:

    http://www.yourcashstash.co.nz

    quick and easy way to see if IRD owes you money!

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  73. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    http://blog.greens.org.nz/2012/11/26/safe-mothers-safe-children/

    Metiria Turei saying Hide is being nasty to Mothers/incubators who smother their children.

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  74. Reid (15,593 comments) says:

    Akaroa apologies BTW if my previous seemed abrupt, it wasn’t intentionally so but on re-reading it seems that way, so sorry for that.

    I think at the end of the day Hitler led the Germans down a garden-path. Prior to Hitler the Germans were the most cohesive civilised nation in Europe. He destroyed German Nationalism.

    I once heard someone say that it’s interesting how often someone from outside a nation who comes to lead it, is destructive to it. Hitler, Napoleon, Stalin.

    Hitler as you would know made two inexplicable fatal decisions. The first of course was failing to close the trap at Dunkirk. The second was dividing the army between Moscow and the oil-fields in the Caucuses. Apparently the forces between Moscow and his army which had to that point completely decimated all opposition were very light. Just as Hitler could have easily captured the entire British Army at Dunkirk, he could have taken Moscow. And take Moscow, you take Russia. And he did that, twice.

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  75. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    Reid

    …”With 0.5 inch sniper rounds at night, using stealth helicopters and infra-red and night vision”…..

    Doesn’t seem very practical, nor is a helicopter a very accurate platform to try to take out enemies using snipers. Not totally safe either…..one of those half inch rounds could ricochet & graze one of the poor Palestinians & then the handwringers would get all upset again.

    …”The rockets are never going to stop until Israel, who has all the options and all the power, decides to change its tactics, because they’re not working. They aren’t. “…..

    The Israelis could stop the rockets tomorrow. All they have to do is flatten everything in Palestine that stands more than 300mm high. They have the capability & the longer the Hamas retards keep targeting Israeli citizens the more likely it is to happen. Israel is surrounded by madmen dedicated to its destruction & my guess is that the more ordnance is lobbed over its sovereign borders the more resolute its people & government will become.

    The Palestinian problem is not about Palestine otherwise hostilities would have ended long ago. Rather it is a festering wound kept open by a rabid Islamic ME determined to destroy Israel.

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  76. Reid (15,593 comments) says:

    Doesn’t seem very practical, nor is a helicopter a very accurate platform to try to take out enemies using snipers.

    It is when you do it every night, night after night.

    Israel is surrounded by madmen dedicated to its destruction.

    Something for the Christians amongst us:

    No man is an island,
    Entire of itself.
    Each is a piece of the continent,
    A part of the main.
    If a clod be washed away by the sea,
    Europe is the less.
    As well as if a promontory were.
    As well as if a manor of thine own
    Or of thine friend’s were.
    Each man’s death diminishes me,
    For I am involved in mankind.
    Therefore, send not to know
    For whom the bell tolls,
    It tolls for thee.

    John Doone

    The above applies to them as well as us nasska. We are them.

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  77. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    Reid

    ….” We are them.”……

    A beautiful sentiment worthy of being a filler at the bottom of page 23 of a copy of the Readers Digest being read 16000Kms from the action. When “we” & “them” are at opposite ends of a Qassam rocket such platitudes might stick in ones throat.

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  78. Elaycee (4,081 comments) says:

    @Ryan,

    Pity you didn’t limit your contribution to your self nomination for the role of grammar monitor.

    Because in your attempt to rewrite history, you’ve simply regurgitated the same old, Hamas based propagandist shit that usually oozes from the keyboard of Abdul Ahmed Lucy.

    And, regardless of the name on the keyboard, the propagandist message you promote, is still shit.

    Shalom!

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  79. Reid (15,593 comments) says:

    are at opposite ends of a Qassam rocket such platitudes might stick in ones throat.

    Think if Timaru was being hit by sporadic rocket fire and every year or so we have another fataility. That’s about the scale of it nasska.

    Of course the only time the rocket fire isn’t sporadic is during the time the policies you advocate are being applied.

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  80. Viking2 (10,734 comments) says:

    Ah that magnificant National Govt. with the growth plan again.

    Carter Holt Harvey has informed staff it plans to cut around 70 jobs in Rotorua and Tokoroa before Christmas.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10850083

    and there seem to be plenty that just don’t make the news media. You kinow the one here, one there, don’t replace etc.

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  81. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    Prior to Hitler the Germans were the most cohesive civilised nation in Europe. He destroyed German Nationalism.

    Reid, one of the reasons’ Hitler gained any prominence at all was because there was no feeling of German Nationalism, it had been destroyed after the surrender ending the Great War, he was the one who defederalized the Reich ,centralizing the German government
    The feeling of nationalism that Hitler gave the Germans was one of the reasons they went to war, they wanted land back in Poland and in France that they thought was rightfully theirs.

    Read ” The Rise of Fall of the Third Reich ” by William Shirer, its simply stunning and will clarify a few things

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  82. Steve (North Shore) (4,327 comments) says:

    Seems Abu Luc has become the new magpie. A resident Kiwiblog terrorist – shitstirrer really -
    Troll is the word for Luc Hansen.
    Like fishing Luc? then fuck off and do some in the arab sea

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  83. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    Two diners at a very upmarket licensed restaurant were
    shocked to see on the menu a dish of “manuka-smoked
    possum throats in a tomato sauce.” They summoned a
    waiter to complain.

    Their waiter looked at the menu. Then he threw it down
    and yelled to the owner in the kitchen,

    “Hey, the printers forgot to translate the menu into
    French again!”

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  84. Pauleastbay (5,030 comments) says:

    I took the wife to a disco at the weekend. There was a guy on the dance floor giving it everything he had; breakdancing, moonwalking, back flips, the works.

    My wife turned to me and said, ” See that guy? 25 years ago he proposed to me and I turned him down.”

    I said, “Looks like he’s still celebrating!!

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  85. mikenmild (8,890 comments) says:

    And there I was thinking that Hitler was a product of German nationalist sentiment rising over the previous century.

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  86. nasska (9,549 comments) says:

    A Muslim man in Tehran, who lost his wife in a house fire, has been hailed a hero today after battling through flames to rescue his copy of the Quran.

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  87. Reid (15,593 comments) says:

    Reid, one of the reasons’ Hitler gained any prominence at all was because there was no feeling of German Nationalism, it had been destroyed after the surrender ending the Great War, he was the one who defederalized the Reich ,centralizing the German government

    Oh it was, by the Versailles Treaty. The Germans suffered more than any other European people during the depression until Hitler came along. That was his base. But it wasn’t destroyed.

    What Hitler did is he used that proportion of every population and we have them too, that under the right conditions they will commit barbarism without limit, and he imprinted the guilt of those few onto the proud and hitherto civilised German psyche.

    The feeling of nationalism that Hitler gave the Germans was one of the reasons they went to war, they wanted land back in Poland and in France that they thought was rightfully theirs.

    Set it up. Knock it down.

    IMO, that’s what happened.

    Have you read BTW Chester Wilmot’s book on WWII. The Struggle for Europe is brilliant.

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  88. Manolo (12,637 comments) says:

    A bit excessive, isn’t it? http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/11/26/jamie-foxx-calls-obama-our-lord-and-savior#ixzz2DKou43ep

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  89. mikenmild (8,890 comments) says:

    For Reid’s thesis about the Germans and Hitler to work, one would have to ignore the first part of their bid to conquer Europe – the First World War.

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  90. Viking2 (10,734 comments) says:

    Just for a moment,
    ignore the reality that as Einstein correctly said, “religion is simply childish”, and the fact that space research has now covered billions of miles in every direction without spotting an old bearded bugger in a nightie and sandals, let alone several billion harp-playing angels.
    Let’s pretend instead that there actually is an all-powerful God, able to control earthly events. Well, put yourself in his place, perhaps sitting quietly having breakfast with Mrs God or enjoying a round of heavenly golf, if enjoyment is possible with the certain knowledge of 18 holes-in-one, or whatever God gets his kicks from, and being constantly interrupted by earthly snivelling to change his mind about this and that, which is what prayer essentially constitutes.
    Wonderful though God supposedly is, even he would eventually snap and lash out with a few city-destroying earthquakes, volcanoes, floods and whatnot, and who could blame him? So in the interest of giving God a bit of peace and quiet, everyone of a mystical disposition should show some consideration and knock off this constant skyward braying. It’s not doing you any good.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10850117

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  91. graham (2,211 comments) says:

    Viking2: This would be the article written by Bob Jones, arguing to get rid of our National Anthem, and ending up by equating “national pride” with “gay pride” and sodomy …

    ‘Nuff said.

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