General Debate 27 November 2012

November 27th, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Peter (1,699 comments) says:

    Fracking report to be tabled today:

    http://www.3news.co.nz/Fracking-verdict-tabled-today/tabid/1160/articleID/278213/Default.aspx

    Let’s hope Gareth Hughes is very disappointed.

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  2. Viking2 (11,412 comments) says:

    Just for a moment,
    ignore the reality that as Einstein correctly said, “religion is simply childish”, and the fact that space research has now covered billions of miles in every direction without spotting an old bearded bugger in a nightie and sandals, let alone several billion harp-playing angels.
    Let’s pretend instead that there actually is an all-powerful God, able to control earthly events. Well, put yourself in his place, perhaps sitting quietly having breakfast with Mrs God or enjoying a round of heavenly golf, if enjoyment is possible with the certain knowledge of 18 holes-in-one, or whatever God gets his kicks from, and being constantly interrupted by earthly snivelling to change his mind about this and that, which is what prayer essentially constitutes.
    Wonderful though God supposedly is, even he would eventually snap and lash out with a few city-destroying earthquakes, volcanoes, floods and whatnot, and who could blame him? So in the interest of giving God a bit of peace and quiet, everyone of a mystical disposition should show some consideration and knock off this constant skyward braying. It’s not doing you any good.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10850117

    Now that should give you all something to talk about instead if Arabs, Jews and world fighting.

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  3. TimG_Oz (862 comments) says:

    I’m not sure how many times Reid said “It’s the election” over the last few weeks.

    Even though the argument seemed flimsy at best, this would suggest that he was totally wrong:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/27/world/middleeast/ehud-barak-israeli-defense-minister-to-quit-politics.html?_r=0

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  4. Keeping Stock (10,290 comments) says:

    2010: They were anti-Hobbit.
    2012: They go to the movie premiere and bask on the red carpet.

    The glory of The Hobbit isn’t Labour’s to bask in; their support of the MEAA and CTU almost killed the project in New Zealand. But David Shearer, Grant Robertson and Annette King will be there with bells on tomorrow night. Hopefully the voting public will see the irony in this…

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/11/of-hobbit-haters-and-other-words-that.html

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  5. David Garrett (7,110 comments) says:

    Viking: Oh no! Did you have to? Another GD consisting of 238 comments from warring God botherers and “the rest”

    Peter: We all know that if the PCE said fracking was the best thing since sliced bread and had no environmental impact, the Greens will at best rubbish the report, but more likely slag off the PCE…just as they did with her Report on 1080 which said pretty much “the most effective tool against possums and with a neglible, if any, enviromental impact.”

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  6. kowtow (8,315 comments) says:

    Helen Clark admired the Swedes. Look what “progressive” social policies get you. The comments section is excellent.

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/thomaspascoe/100021481/swedens-insane-anti-discrimination-laws-have-created-a-generation-of-lost-women/

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  7. Ross12 (1,406 comments) says:

    You have to laugh at this connection.

    In this article about newspaper bias in the last election
    http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/15487684/election-coverage-biased-toward-key-study/

    The researcher , Claire Robinson is described as political marketing expert and is an Ass Profrossor in the College of Creative Arts. ( Political Marketing –a creative art , I like it !!!)

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  8. RF (1,380 comments) says:

    Hobbit haters – Shearer, King & Robertson. How do these double standard pricks sleep at night.

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  9. Elaycee (4,372 comments) says:

    @TimG_Oz:

    Whilst your link is on the money, I suspect this will most likely result in a 500 word dissertation from Reid full of such pearls including Doh / Der / mental / tewwowists / it’s the elections / wockets / etc.

    All rather sad. His ‘cure’ for the Hamas terrorist plague is for Israel to turn a cheek to the rain of rockets fired by the Hamas terrorists and to instead adopt a policy of night time, surgical strikes against an enemy that hides behind skirts!

    Others may suggest something more permanent in the fight against Hamas terrorism: KA-BOOM! :D

    Cue: 3, 2, 1…..

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  10. Chuck Bird (4,847 comments) says:

    Interesting Op Ed by Rodney. Sources would be interesting. I wonder if the six children how were killed who were victims of their mother’s suicide were infants or children or unborn children? He should have made that clear. The comment about Maori is very interesting as well.

    Rodney Hide: Government is keeping abusive parents afloat

    Shockingly, 5.4 per cent of all New Zealand children have a substantiated finding of emotional, physical or sexual abuse or neglect by age 5. That’s more than one in 20 children.

    Here’s a quick quiz. You are a child. Who is most likely to kill you. Your mum? Your dad? Stepdad?
    Police have the answer after analysing family violence deaths over the past seven years. The answer is clear.
    It’s your mum. By a long margin.

    You are more than twice as likely to be killed by your mum than your stepdad. Mum is five times more likely to kill than dad.
    It’s not what you would expect. It’s certainly not the sense that you get from the news. That’s because mums who kill their babies go largely unreported.

    Five of the 15 children killed by mum were newborn babies whose mothers concealed their pregnancy and killed their babies immediately on birth. Six children were victims of their mother’s suicide.
    As depressing and as shocking as their deaths are, they don’t make the news. That’s in stark contrast to the news of delinquent stepdads who torture and murder their children and the trials by media and jury that follow.
    It’s not exclusively a Maori problem either, despite the impression the news gives. The killer mums were overwhelmingly non-Maori.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10849715

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  11. Fletch (6,294 comments) says:

    V2, I’d rather they kicked the awful Haka in the head, which is performed at the drop of a had and is somehow supposed to represent NZ. How on earth does it represent modern day NZ? Really.
    Does the U.S whip out an Indian rain dance at every possible opportunity they have to expose themselves overseas? No?

    I think the National Anthem is far more representative that the god-awful haka, which pretty much only represents a sub-culture out of a nation of (now) many.

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  12. Fletch (6,294 comments) says:

    ps, I do agree with this part at the end of Bob Jones tirade –

    Finally, let’s not have any gibberish about national pride. Pride is about accomplishment. It’s like the homosexuals and their ridiculous gay pride sloganising. Sodomy ain’t an accomplishment, any more, I hasten to add before they’re all aflutter, than heterosexual activity is

    Though, I do believe one should have pride in their country.

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  13. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    The David Shambles Show continues. Not only did he stumble all over TV news, he had a student radio interview yesterday in which he said:

    Ah yes, but at the end of the day, the bloggers are not the voters. In fact they’re a long, long way away from the voters, to be perfectly frank.

    When you go round the country and I talk to people, I have a better sense, I believe, than bloggers sitting there in front of a computer, quite frankly. Especially when they are sort of blogging anonymously. I don’t have a, um. I don’t listen to them. I don’t read them. I do what I believe is right.

    Back to the David Shearer problem

    Is anyone here not a voter? Does Shearer have a better sense than anonybloggers?

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  14. Falafulu Fisi (2,179 comments) says:

    Ross12, Dr. Claire Robinson is exactly the type of intimidating useless experts that I posted a video link yesterday in one of the threads regarding late Feynman’s opinion on those pseudo-intellectuals. I pasted it again below.

    Feynman on social sciences

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  15. Falafulu Fisi (2,179 comments) says:

    Does any reader here know of any other song where the bass is faster than the bass cover below of a classic song from the 1980s?

    Crush : BASS COVER

    I believe that this is the fastest bass I’m aware of, unless someone here has heard of something faster?

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  16. Keeping Stock (10,290 comments) says:

    RF said:

    Hobbit haters – Shearer, King & Robertson. How do these double standard pricks sleep at night.

    Very soundly, I should imagine. They probably don’t even see the disconnect, so cloistered are they as Honourable Members of Parliament.

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  17. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    Tim and Elaycee, I don’t see this proves a thing, so what if Barak is resigning? I’ve italicised the relevant bit for you.

    Ehud Olmert, the former prime minister who has spent recent years battling corruption charges, has also apparently decided against a comeback bid right now, leaving Ms. Livni, Mr. Lapid and the current heads of Kadima and Labor to battle it out for the dwindling center-left electorate. Analysts say this landscape is unlikely to change the fundamental dynamic in which right-wing and religious parties win a majority of Parliament seats, and Mr. Netanyahu is widely seen as the most likely to form a new government.

    And bear in mind that I’ve always said too that Israel’s politicians deliberately do things which are destructive to Israel, just like America’s politicians do things destructive to the US. So when looking at it you need to bear both dynamics in mind. But I’m tired of talking about that.

    See this property developer has explained what I’ve been saying about immigration being the reason for the property prices:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10850092

    As he says, it’s been going on for years, dating back to when Hong Kong was being handed back. In the few years before this happened a whole lot of HK people were looking for a bolt-hole so they’d come to Auckland, buy property, often setup one or more of their kids in it, who’d go to school here and they themselves would then return to HK having established a bolt hole if the need arises. And while HK handover has come and gone, this is still what happens. Having either NZ or Aus residency is seen as very desirable. There is a simple fix which is to either change the points system to incentivise settlement in places other than in Akld or a stamp duty.

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  18. bhudson (4,738 comments) says:

    @Falafulu Fisi

    Doesn’t even come close to this wee gem…

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  19. bhudson (4,738 comments) says:

    For Grant Robertson, Annette King, Helen Kelly and all the other little Hobbit-haters like ross69 and Dean Papa…

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/8002142/Misunderstanding-in-Hobbit-spat

    “[Warner Bros] had sent a location scout around England and Scotland to take photos, and they literally had the script broken down to each scene, and in each scene there were pictures of the Scottish Highlands, and the forests in England… and that was to convince us we could easily just go over there and shoot the film,” he told Radio New Zealand.

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  20. James Stephenson (2,152 comments) says:

    I believe that this is the fastest bass I’m aware of, unless someone here has heard of something faster?

    If you want virtuoso bass, there’s only one man to go to: John Entwistle (although I am a huge, huge fan of Mr Kilmister)

    [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPnWDimkZnI&w=420&h=315

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  21. iMP (2,364 comments) says:

    Disturbing media reports coming in from UK and LIbya about the torture and exectuions of homosexual men.

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2012/11/27/homosexuals-being-purged-killed/

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  22. Manolo (13,571 comments) says:

    The long and nefarious arm of Clark’s UN: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/un-seek-control-internet_664018.html

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  23. bhudson (4,738 comments) says:

    Manolo,

    The Minister – Amy Adams – has made it clear that NZ opposes moves to have the ITU govern the Internet. Score one for freedom! (And one less for the UN ‘world government’ agenda.)

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  24. Manolo (13,571 comments) says:

    I do hope Amy Adams does not make a U-turn Nick Smith-style and sells NZ down the river (as the Greenie fifth-columnist did with the ETS tax).

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  25. Falafulu Fisi (2,179 comments) says:

    Bhudson, yes that bass player in that song is faster, but I think that John Entwistle pointed out by James Stephenson is awesome. I talked to the bass player of the Crush song on the night after their re-union concert in Minneapolis in 2010, when I was there for my sister’s funeral and he told me that even the bass in the Crush is not the super-fastest but he had managed during their tours back then to keep up with dancing at the same time and playing the bass, simultaneously. He strapped the bass guitar very tight so it didn’t swing around him when he played and danced at the same time, thus enabling him to hit the bass correctly and on time.

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  26. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    NEW ZEALAND -‘PERCEIVED’ TO BE ‘THE LEAST CORRUPT COUNTRY IN THE WORLD’ – yeah right.

    Where do the corrupt store their ‘ill-gotten’ gains / bribes / ‘dirty’ money?

    In TAX HAVENS.

    Like New Zealand.

    http://www.taxhavens.biz/other_tax_havens/tax_haven_new_zealand/

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  27. Manolo (13,571 comments) says:

    Nutter alert! Nutter alert! Miss Dim has been spotted in the vicinity.

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  28. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    Disturbing media reports coming in from UK and LIbya about the torture and exectuions of homosexual men.

    Yes iMP. Perhaps if some people hadn’t been so keen on NATO taking out Gadaffi this wouldn’t be happening. Still I did try to warn people at the time. The same thing will be happening in Syria, once the west have completed their takeover there and handed it over to Al-Qa’ida, just like they’ve done in Libya and in Eqypt where the MB is just another front.

    It’s surprising it never seems to occur to people who support all of these moves to ask themselves, how come the west is handing govts over to an organisation that they’re supposedly at war with? That question never seems to occur to them.

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  29. James Stephenson (2,152 comments) says:

    @Falafulu – you could also search out a bit of Geddy Lee and Rush, the bassline for the instrumental YYZ springs to mind, but I’m away from youtubeability at the moment.

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  30. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    Just our luck…a world full of public watchdogs & Kiwiblog gets one infected with rabies!

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  31. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    Is anyone else bemused by Hobbitmania?

    I guess it didn’t help that I gave up reading the book after a few pages. The LOTR movies had some local interest but otherwise didn’t do a lot for me.

    And now we have commercial and fan overkill.

    Enjoy it if you like it. Yeah, good on Jackson, it’s good for business and employment etc etc.

    But I don’t know if I’ll bother getting around to watching the movie. There’s far too much of it on TV now as it is, tomorrow looks like being wall to wall, channel to channel. Something best avoided.

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  32. Manolo (13,571 comments) says:

    P.G., I share your views on Hobbitmania.

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  33. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    The Great Levitation

    James Grant speaks

    Asset purchase plans doomed

    Note: If you go to the YouTube page this video appears on, you’ll see the comments section has been flooded with NMTs.

    An NMT is a newly minted troll. Another more commonly used phrase of this: “sock puppet.”

    This means someone who opens a brand new account specifically for the purpose of commenting negatively and/or stupidly on the content.

    Someone is paying people to pose at idiot for the purpose of disrupting intelligent discussion of these topics.

    http://www.realecontv.com/videos/central-banks/the-great-levitation-.html

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  34. James Stephenson (2,152 comments) says:

    P.G., I share your views on Hobbitmania.

    +1. I think my precise words this morning (looking at the Air NZ flying billboard on TV) were “Is it too soon to say I’m completely f-ing over this Hobbit stuff?”

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  35. David Garrett (7,110 comments) says:

    “I did try to warn people at the time…”

    Have you any idea how ridiculous that sounds Reid? Mind you there is precedent for that sort of grandiosity in NZ…the famous opening line of a story in the Grey River Argus in 1914:

    “We have warned the Kaiser before…”

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  36. graham (2,333 comments) says:

    I can understand people not being particularly interested in The Hobbit or The Lord of the Rings, and that’s fine. I read the books years ago and thoroughly enjoyed them, so probably unsurprisingly really enjoyed the LOTR movies as well. Looking forward to The Hobbit.

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  37. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    I see on the left (side of this blog’s home page, that is) that CK is complaining that Metro has defamed her and Whale oil.

    I would think that it would not be difficult to defend oneself against that particular charge!

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  38. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8570944/tourists-attacker-breaches-parole

    Another peaceful native….why wasnt it locked up for 20 years? Why was it on parole?

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  39. Dazzaman (1,138 comments) says:

    Go speed all you want….Bernard Edwards still reigns.

    Le Freak

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  40. Elaycee (4,372 comments) says:

    @Reid: I was wrong. You dissertation turned out to be less than the 500 words I had predicted – you only hit 315!

    And no use of the words: Doh / Der / tewwowist / wocket / mental etc…

    Maybe there is hope for you yet…..

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  41. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    Have you any idea how ridiculous that sounds Reid?

    Well I did David. I’ve explained multiple times Egypt, Libya and now Syria are western-inspired colour revolutions courtesy of Brzezhinsky whose been advising Obama since he first took office.

    The reason I was doing that was not because that was merely an interesting set of facts but because if you accept that thesis as a possibility and then think through the implications of the west doing that in those nations you come up with some important conclusions about how the west and the western media operates. For example, by observing what the govts of both Egypt and Libya now look like, knowing that it’s been the west’s option to have those govts look like anything they wanted to, because that’s how it works when you sponsor a revolution, what does this mean about what the war on terror really in fact is.

    So that was the “warning” I was giving. Poor choice of words perhaps, maybe “flagged” would have been a better word. Not many people I expect picked it up, which is not unusual. But perhaps one or two did.

    …you only hit 315!

    And most of that was about Auckland property prices Elaycee. Even I get sick of talking about the wain of wockets.

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  42. Elaycee (4,372 comments) says:

    Ahoy Penny: Are you going to confirm you are the same Penelope Mary Bright who had previously announced alignment with the Workers Communist League? You know – this happened at the meeting in the Auckland Domain attended by John Bernard Minto and the Socialist Unity Party man, Bill Andersen?

    Yeah right!

    You have all the credibility of a three dollar bill. One with a picture of Abdul Ahmed Lucy to the left of the watermark.

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  43. Peter (1,699 comments) says:

    Bass player here.

    Why does “fast bass” impress? It’s not hard to do. Personally, I prefer tasteful bass.

    And here some is….

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  44. Dave Stringer (188 comments) says:

    God – an interesting concept.
    I heard about a catholic man, who desparately wanted a car. He prayed and prayed and prayed, but nothing happened. THEN he relised that he wasn’t working the way God expected, so he changed his approach. He went and stole the car he wanted from a place far away from where he lived, then he went straight into the confessional and begged forgiveness and absolution from his priest, which were, in the name of God, fully given.

    Now he remains a good catholic, and thanks to his newly acquired skills has all the goodies he can imagine needing, and is absolved of all sin – He believes in God!

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  45. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    US is importing food from Japan that’s considered unfit to eat there

    Americans are the NUCLEAR DUMP for the world…which includes your stomach.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=304451999668247&set=a.225932444186870.49466.225921714187943&type=1&theater

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  46. Dave Stringer (188 comments) says:

    here’s an OLD bass line, played by a youngster in 1962, you might recognise the band :-)

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  47. Harriet (4,848 comments) says:

    Dave Stringer#

    Yep – you just pointed out what most people have known for a long time, that the Catholic Church is relatively benign!

    But then you get the likes of Viking, Big bro, Garret & nasska, whom act as though they are overwhelmed by it all! :cool:

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  48. Dave Stringer (188 comments) says:

    Ah Harriet, perhaps they long for the days when you could BUY your way into heaven by procuring “indulgences” from your priest ! :-)

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  49. Harriet (4,848 comments) says:

    “……Disturbing media reports coming in from UK and LIbya about the torture and exectuions of homosexual men….”

    They are doing the same to Christians too!

    So what’s all the fuss about gays getting strung up early?

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  50. hj (6,915 comments) says:

    An Auckland developer building houses for under $400,000 says Chinese are using property as a ticket into this country because owning real estate increases immigration visa points.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10850092

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  51. David Garrett (7,110 comments) says:

    Ah yes! the old “plenary indulgence” was a fantastic rort by the Holy Mother Church for centuries. Do any bloody thing you like… then purchase the plenary indulgence in a timely fashion – i.e. before it was necessary to administer the last rites, and Bob’s your Uncle! Heaven here I come!

    Harriet: If you are trying to show how erudite you are by use of the word “whom”, do try to get it right…

    “To whom do you refer?”; “…all of whom have been guilty of that particular sin at one time…” ….CORRECT

    “..Garrett and Nasska whom act as though…” … WRONG

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  52. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Bankers Declare U.S. & Europe Conquered

    A recent CNBC clip in which financial analysts admit to viewers that America is under the control of a group of central bankers who are building a world government is a damning insight into how the establishment has dispensed with any pretense of trying to hide their agenda as it is finalized.

    During the video, the host asks guests, “Do we all work for central bankers – is this global governance at last – is it one world – the central bankers in charge….aren’t we all just living and dying for what the central banks do?”

    “To answer your question, we are absolutely slaves to central banks,” responds the guest.

    http://12160.info/profiles/blogs/bankers-declare-u-s-europe-conquered

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  53. graham (2,333 comments) says:

    * sigh * Conspiracy theory day at KB.

    OK, hinamanu, please explain – IN YOUR OWN WORDS – how I, personally, am a slave to “central banks”. Not what CNBC says, not what Americans might or might not be suffering from – ME, personally.

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  54. iMP (2,364 comments) says:

    FOOTAGE of the Oslo Breivik bomb has been made public by the main Norwegian broadcaster. Taken down by YouTube a few mins ago, but you can see it here. I think it’s in the public interest:

    http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2012/11/27/chilling-cctv-of-norways-bomb/

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  55. Harriet (4,848 comments) says:

    David Garrett#

    Yeah your right.

    Anyway, and in anyone’s language, why didn’t you deny what I said?…..are you really overwhelmed by Catholicism?

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  56. Nookin (3,281 comments) says:

    Ms Bright never ceases to astound me.

    This is what the article to which she refers says about NZ

    “New Zealand is one of the safest places to consider when investing abroad. The country has stable political and economical systems. The jurisdiction although it offers offshore services and advantages has not been targeted or black listed as a harmful tax haven. The laws which govern offshore entities in New Zealand are very modern and are up to par with its more developed offshore counterparts. The assets placed in New Zealand offshore entities are well protect by New Zealand laws. The tax haven of New Zealand is very helpful for persons who are considering reducing their tax liabilities.”

    Unfortunately, according to Ms Bright, the combination of safety, political and economic stability, good reputation and laws which compare favourably internationally is wholly undesirable because it will entice naughty people.

    Maybe Penny would be much, much happier with an Italian political system, a Greek economy, a Colombian reputation and a Zimbabwean legal system. That might work keeping out the bad guys, eh Pen? Or were you on a bad acid trip when you linked that post?

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  57. David Garrett (7,110 comments) says:

    “overwhelmed” would be the wrong word Harriet…I DO regard the Roman Catholic church as one of the world’s more evil institutions…I am sure you will be most interested in the revelations to come about more sexual impropriety in the church in New Zealand..Here’s a teaser: They may not be in the same league as the Christian Brothers in Australia, but the Marist Brothers in New Zealand were certainly leaders of the second division…

    And it all got so much more tempting when catholic schools started to go co-ed…..now there’s an even better clue for you…. (not, not me; I clearly was never a pretty boy)

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  58. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    @Graham

    The Federal Reserve and investment banks like J P Morgan, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, Goldman Sachs are colluding through fractional reserve banking, derivatives, high frequency algorithmic trading (sposed to be illegal) and quantitative easing. Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece are only the beginning to a chain event that will soon affect the whole world.

    The financial cliff and Iran/Middle East tensions are all working together, esp as 9/11 truth (first responders denied 9/11 commemoration) is coming to the surface and the US needs a scapegoat in the form of a huge war.

    The US economy affects all the western world and 50 million of its families are on food stamps. These are what camouflage the dire straits and reality of the US economy. No one being seen in huge soup lines.

    At present, many states are sending petitions by citizens to secede from the union. The number of signatures sent mean the White house has to legally recognise and respond.

    The is the new development from the federal govt

    Government Tells NJ Hurricane Victims to Demolish Their Homes Immediately or pay $2,000 Per Week

    https://a4cgr.wordpress.com/2012/11/26/01-1128/

    A further crippling of US citizens

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  59. publicwatchdog (2,516 comments) says:

    Seen this Kiwibloggers?

    27 November 2012: News from CPAG

    Child-poverty documentary a ‘must-see’

    Child Poverty Action Group says a ground-breaking documentary on child poverty in New Zealand is compulsory viewing for all New Zealanders.

    Multi-award winning producer and presenter Bryan Bruce’s Inside Child Poverty documentary will re-screen on TV3 tonight at 9.30pm.

    CPAG spokesperson, Associate Professor Mike O’Brien said,

    “We are delighted that TV3 is re-screening this documentary. It has played a significant role in raising the issue of child poverty in New Zealand. We believe it is a must-see for all New Zealanders.

    “As the documentary says, New Zealanders are good people and we can fix this problem if we choose to. No child in New Zealand should be hungry, cold or ill due to preventable disease.

    Child poverty is not a party political issue; it is a moral and ethical issue. Our politicians need to know that New Zealanders do want to invest in children and their future.”
    Featured in the documentary is CPAG’s ongoing fight for the rights of 230,000 children through legal channels.

    The case is to be heard in Court of Appeal in early 2013. CPAG urgently needs funds to support their action: seehttp://www.cpag.org.nz/infocus/
    http://www.cpag.org.nz

    ______________________________________________________________________________________________

    SOCIAL WELFARE – NOT CORPORATE WELFARE!

    Penny Bright

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  60. thedavincimode (6,691 comments) says:

    Can’t you find a toilet cubicle to post your graffitti in?

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  61. RRM (9,826 comments) says:

    “Dodgy John” appears to be still here…?

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  62. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Also check out John Majors traitorous Maastrict Treaty giving UK sovereignty to Euro bureaucrats who don’t have to pay their enforced taxes. Regardless of who is in Govt in the UK Europe ratifies 3/4 of UK law

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  63. graham (2,333 comments) says:

    @ hinamanu:

    Ah, I understand now.

    You’re nuts.

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  64. David Garrett (7,110 comments) says:

    Penny: How many ml. of largactil are you on per day? Do you prefer the orange or the strawberry flavour?

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  65. graham (2,333 comments) says:

    So Penny, were you really really proud of yourself as you stood side by side with other picketers in September? You know, where you picketed a charity lunch that was aiming to raise money for a new children’s ward at Waitakere Hospital, solely to make a point about John Key.

    Yeah, that must’ve been a heart-warming moment.

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  66. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    @Graham….

    it can all be researched

    check out this girl who went viral. Govts don’t lend from their own reserve banks with low or no interest.

    They lend from private high interest banks which cripples their economy

    12-year old Victoria Grant explains why her homeland, Canada, and most of the world, is in debt. April 27, 2012 at the Public Banking in America Conference, Philadelphia, PA.

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  67. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    “Seen this Kiwibloggers?”

    “Seen this Penny”?…*bends over with pants down*

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  68. graham (2,333 comments) says:

    hinamanu – give it up.

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  69. Colville (2,261 comments) says:

    “Seen this Kiwibloggers?”

    “Seen this Penny”?…*bends over with pants down*

    I think what you mean is this…

    ( )*( )

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  70. Colville (2,261 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8003941/NZ-First-MP-sent-home

    So Peters says….

    His number one priority is to sort this matter out and get the facts before me because that’s something on which my future decision is going to be based…it’s urgent.

    But then …..

    Mr Peters confirmed he was approached two months ago by Horan’s half-brother Mana Ormsby about the allegations

    So its urgent…but he has done zero for 2 months…then all of a sudden when it hits the meadia….

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  71. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    ..love it Colville !

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  72. Manolo (13,571 comments) says:

    Hinamanu, are you a very good impersonator of the deranged Dutch Einstein, a non-descript woman that used to write long tirades against bankers here and the sub-Standard?

    She was a professional as far as conspiracy theories are concerned. Tin-foil hat wearer of the highest order.

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  73. Elaycee (4,372 comments) says:

    @Manolo – you’re right! She was the fruitloop mate of Penny Not-so… now, what was her name?…..

    That’s it! She was trivial rev! 8O

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  74. Manolo (13,571 comments) says:

    The infamous trivialrev, Dutch by birth, Fool by destiny!

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  75. Manolo (13,571 comments) says:

    The Chinese can do it: Tax cut to benefit over 900,000 enterprises
    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2012-11/26/c_132000164.htm

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  76. Colville (2,261 comments) says:

    Manolo, Is $150 a head fair for 6 courses in a private room with desert wine supplied? corkage and coffees included

    Other wines to be supplied by guests (a smiliar gathering to the one you have at Logans I believe?)

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  77. Longknives (4,690 comments) says:

    Regarding ‘Hobbitmania’- I too am over it already. I hope the movie tanks as badly as Jackson’s last few shockers.

    Regarding Basslines- You simply can’t beat John ‘Thunderfingers’ Entwistle.

    Regarding Catholics- Yeah everybody bashes us. But come St Patrick’s day you all seem to desperately want to be one.

    Regarding Penny- Absolutely freaking bonkers….

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  78. Colville (2,261 comments) says:

    What about Andrew Hore longknives…ya love him still?

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  79. Manolo (13,571 comments) says:

    Absolutely, Colville. A fair price for fine food, I reckon.

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  80. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8003941/NZ-First-MP-sent-home

    Oh dear…doesnt look good for Brendy

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  81. Longknives (4,690 comments) says:

    Colville- We all already knew Andrew Hore was an inbred hillbilly moron after his wildlife shooting rampage a few years ago.

    It’s Steve Hansen that is really letting the Adi-black ‘Brand’ down with his pig-headed and blind refusal to accept any wrongdoing. His moaning that ‘The British media are making this a big issue’ and that the incident was simply Hore ‘clearing out another player’ confirms that he is arrogant, out of touch and firmly believes his ‘old boys network’ will make this go away. (Just like the O’Driscoll incident seemingly never happened)
    Hell even former All Blacks are coming out in the media scathing of Hore and that NEVER happens..

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  82. Colville (2,261 comments) says:

    Manolo, thanks. I agree. Have had a toys thrown out of cot today from unexpected sources.

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  83. Longknives (4,690 comments) says:

    And just imagine, if you can, the response from Steve Hansen and co if Dan Carter or Saint Richie had been king hit from behind, left unconscious on the pitch and carted off by ambulance….It would be the outrage of the century!

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  84. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    @Manolo

    Remember…… the EC deniers of the seventies ….. There were tin foil wearers back then too

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  85. Manolo (13,571 comments) says:

    trivialrev (hinamanu), I join you Dutch genius in denouncing the falsity of Moon landings: they never took place.
    Bogus acts and a conspiracy from the ultra imperialist power, the United States.

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  86. Manolo (13,571 comments) says:

    Whanau Ora: an utter waste of taxpayer’s money and a lamentable concession from Labour lite to the racist Maori party: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8571117/whanau-ora-helped-overstayer-peters

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  87. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    Just on the banking issues above, here’s another vid from a senior exec of one of the High Street UK banks who outlines the predatory lending practices endemic in that industry in the UK. Not so bad here but it gets worse yearly. See what I don’t get is if we can fine Casinos and pubs for letting customers go nuts on pokies, then why shouldn’t we be allowed to do it to banks? Sure you can logically argue lenders should look after themselves like all of us already do but if society does it for gamblers and smokers, then why don’t we do it to predatory lenders as well.

    BTW, hinamanu mostly talks about the debt-based fiat money fractional reserve Central Banking system. There are some very good docos that explain that: e.g.

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  88. kowtow (8,315 comments) says:

    longknives

    Not just Paddies Day,but George,Andrew, David , Easter, Christmas and St Valentines too.

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  89. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    kowtow

    In other words, any excuse for a piss up’s a good excuse? :)

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  90. Dave Stringer (188 comments) says:

    What do any of those have to do with the Roman Catholic Church?

    With or without the Pope, Cardinals, Monsigneurs, Bishops and others, they would all be celebrated with verve and vigor, kepp the church out of Christianity if you ask me, Jesus would close them down as fast as the merchants in the temple grounds!

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  91. Lee01 (2,171 comments) says:

    “and the fact that space research has now covered billions of miles in every direction without spotting an old bearded bugger in a nightie and sandals, let alone several billion harp-playing angels.”

    Oh dear.

    Why are most of the people who rant against “religion” on this blog so feeble minded? Is stupidity a requirement for membership in the atheist cult?

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  92. kowtow (8,315 comments) says:

    Dave Stinger,are you serious?
    All those are Church feast days.
    If it weren’t for the ‘Church” that you seek to criticise we mightn’t have heard about Jesus of Galilee and His anti retail antics at the Temple.
    And Church is not just grey men in pointy hats( that’s hierarcy).The Church is all the baptised people,that’s ‘Church’.

    Piss up and catholics? The Trappists kept their best brews for the Big Days ,so yeah,why not?

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  93. Dave Stringer (188 comments) says:

    Lee
    I hope you are not counting me as one of “the people who rant against “religion” on this blog”!
    I am a great believer in believing, I just can’t accept a church that thinks it can sell god’s behaviour for money, and complains of poverty while being one of the richest establishments in the world.
    In the same class I put monks who claim to practice the teachings of Buddah, but drive SUVs and stand for parliamentary seats and quangos.
    To sum my position up. Religion – Good, organisations who preach their own brand of servitude – Bad.

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  94. Longknives (4,690 comments) says:

    Did someone seriously just ask what St Patrick’s day had to do with the Roman Catholic Church? Really??

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  95. Dave Stringer (188 comments) says:

    KowTow

    Church – YES, Roman Catholic Church – not the same as ‘all the baptised people’, indeed, they don’t recognise you as baptised unless it was done by a Roman Catholic Priest! ! ! ! Such a Christian approach to christianity!

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  96. Dave Stringer (188 comments) says:

    Longknives

    ST PAtrick is the patron saint of Ireland – NOT the republic of Ireland – all Ireland, and is recognised by the Anglican Church, as well as several other ‘branches’ of Christianity :-)

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  97. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8003585/Police-officer-in-court-on-assault-charge

    The Manawatu Crown prosecutor appears desperate to get a conviction sometime before Chrstmas.

    Reading this i don’t like his chances.

    He just might be over stretching himself if his prior record this year is anything to go by

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  98. Longknives (4,690 comments) says:

    Dave- St Patrick was a Catholic. Deal with it…

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  99. Lee01 (2,171 comments) says:

    Some momentary wisdom in the wasteland of “discussion” and “debate” on this blog.

    “Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who merely happen to be walking about. All democrats object to men being disqualified by the accident of their birth; tradition objects to their being disqualified by the accident of death.”

    G. K. Chesterton.

    “Whoever says that he “belongs to his time” is only saying that he agrees with the largest number of fools at that moment.”

    “The word “modern” no longer has an automatic prestige except among fools.”

    “Individualism is the cradle of vulgarity.”

    “Truths are not relative. What are relative are opinions about truth.”

    “The left claims that the guilty party in a conflict is not the one who covets another’s goods but the one who defends his own.”

    “Conformism and non-conformism are symmetrical expressions of a lack of originality.”

    “Faith is not knowledge of an object but communion with it.”

    “I distrust every idea that doesn’t seem obsolete and grotesque to my contemporaries.”

    “Many love humanity only in order to forget God with a clear conscience.”

    “Hierarchies are celestial. In hell all are equal.”

    ““Revolution is progressive and seeks the strengthening of the state; rebellion is reactionary and seeks its disappearance. The revolutionary is a potential government official; the rebel is a reactionary in action.”

    “Violence is not necessary to destroy a civilization. Each civilization dies from indifference to the unique values which created it.”

    “Modern man is a prisoner who thinks he is free because he refuses to touch the walls of his dungeon”

    “If one does not believe in God, the only honest alternative is vulgar utilitarianism. The rest is rhetoric.”

    “Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.” The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense. The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man.”

    Nicolas Gomez Davila

    You may all now return to sharing whatever dribbles it’s way out your feeble minds.

    Have a nice day.

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  100. Dave Stringer (188 comments) says:

    Pauleastbay gives us another example of how the mores of society have been changed for the worse. The fact that someone deemed it right to prosecute this policeman for dealing with a, self-confessed, drunk and abusive criminal who was dealt with as he should have been. Somehow I have a feeling that the criminal who brought the prosecution is of the generation that have grown up with no repercussions for their actio0ns beyond being called naughty.
    Surely it’s time we took back our communities from the people who would have it destroyed by protecting the ‘rights’ of those who do wrong above those they damage, hurt or attack in their wronging.

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  101. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    Jesus would close them down as fast as the merchants in the temple grounds

    They were actually bankers Dave. It’s the only time in the Bible where Jesus is violent. What they were doing was exchanging the people’s goods for the only acceptable sacrifice in the Temple, which was the shekel. And every worshipper had to sacrifice. And they were charging outrageous exchange rates, preventing people from accessing G-d.

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  102. Dave Stringer (188 comments) says:

    Longknives (1,813) Says:
    November 27th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
    Dave- St Patrick was a Catholic

    yes, he was also a good man, not thanks to his Roman Catholicism, but due to his upbringing and community. He lived at the hight of the “God for sale” times.

    Incidentally, look up the word Catholic – you’ll see that your comment doesn’t make sense without a word like “Roman” or “Anglo” in front of it :-(

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  103. Dave Stringer (188 comments) says:

    Reid

    I agree

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  104. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decl%C3%A1n_of_Ardmore

    St Patrick was just a Johnny come lately big noter. St Declan brought christianity to Ireland -and do you think he gets a parade and a piss up?, no he bloody doesn’t.

    Its always been about PR and the advertising budget

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  105. kowtow (8,315 comments) says:

    dave,this is going to get tedious. The Roman catholic Church up to the various Protestant reformers was to all intents and purposes the ONLY church in Western Europe,from 400 till say 1450ish!One thousand years.

    So it’s calendar was everyones ,it’s saints were evryones,it’s feast days were evryones. Everyone was Roman Catholic. The Church was the Roman Church. That’s why the Anglicans recognise people like St Patrick,David etc(Anglicans are practically Roman anyway) Their Nicene creed is our Nicene creed.

    “Catholic” means universal and that includes you. And you’re wrong about baptism. I reckon an Anglican baptism would be good enough ffor Rome. And certainly the other 16 or 17 Catholic denominations recognise each other’s rites ,so your blast about RC priest baptism is wrong.

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  106. Fletch (6,294 comments) says:

    I’m not a bass player (I play a bit of guitar) but I like this slinky bass lick from Donald Fagen’s Snowbound. Bass played by his Steely Dan partner-in-crime Walter Becker.

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  107. Longknives (4,690 comments) says:

    What kowtow said…

    And I repeat myself- St Patrick was a Catholic. Deal with it!

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  108. kowtow (8,315 comments) says:

    PEB

    St Declan eh? Well I go with the Old catholic Encyclopaedia. Para 2 throws doubt on Deccie being before Pat.

    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15564b.htm

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  109. Kea (12,380 comments) says:

    Some momentary wisdom in the wasteland of “discussion” and “debate” on this blog.

    Lee01, So you think cut & pasting a few nonsense quotes is “wisdom” ?

    I suggest you forget your pretentious quotes and start thinking for yourself.

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  110. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Kowtow

    Sorry, pre- Patrician Saints, St Declan. Pat jsut rode in on the shirt tails after the hard yards were done

    I liked the idea so much I named a son after him , mind you in our family there are 15 Patricks , 23 Michaels and bulk Andrews , we had to scratch about for someone that wasn’t named 12 times every generation

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  111. kowtow (8,315 comments) says:

    PEB
    We have that problem too!

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  112. Longknives (4,690 comments) says:

    This is great- The Kiwiblog Catholic Men’s Fellowship!
    (Just keep it quiet from old buzzkill Ana Lucia- she’ll have us chanting the Rosary..)

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  113. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    Down on your knees you worthless sinners! :)

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  114. Longknives (4,690 comments) says:

    What’s not to like about Catholicism?

    http://www.forkparty.com/32557/34-hot-nuns-and-church-girls-pics

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  115. Pete George (23,474 comments) says:

    Try hard rumour of ther day, Damien O’Connor tries to stoke old National leadership rumours with the vaguest non-news possible.

    http://yournz.org/2012/11/27/try-hard-rumour-of-the-day/

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  116. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    A wee Irish boy is crying by the side of the road. A man asks “What’s wrong?” Boy says “Me Ma is dead.” “Oh bejaysus” the man says. “Do you want me to get Father O’Riley?” Wee boy replies “No thanks Mister, sex is the last ting on me moind roight now.”

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  117. Steve (North Shore) (4,546 comments) says:

    I’m just seeing the light. The Catholic light, the Anglican light, the Muslim light, the Mormon light, many lights.

    All shit, I turned the light off

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  118. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Longknives (1,816) Says:

    November 27th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
    What’s not to like about Catholicism?

    You mate are going to hell, mind you with your history of punting and liking a beer you are pretty close to being my catholic roll model when I was growing up.

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  119. Reid (16,290 comments) says:

    “Modern man is a prisoner who thinks he is free because he refuses to touch the walls of his dungeon”

    What happens if his face hits it?

    Brilliant pavement art

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  120. nasska (11,277 comments) says:

    Bud Nelson, from New York; flew to Knock Airport in the west of Ireland on business. As he walked down the stairs from the plane onto the runway he noticed a small Irishman standing beside a long table with an assortment of Human Skulls. “What are you doing?” asked the American. “I’m selling skulls”, replied the Irishman. “And what skulls do you have?” said Bud. “Well, I have the skulls of the most famous Irishmen that ever lived!” said the Irishman. “That’s great!” said Bud. “Give me some names!” “Well!” said the Irishman, pointing to various skulls. “That one there is James Joyce, the famous author and playwright, that one there is St. Brendan, the Navigator, that’s Michael Collins the leader of the 1916 rising, and that one there is St. Patrick, the Patron Saint of Ireland…god bless his soul.” “Sorry” said Bud, “But did you say St. Patrick?” “That’s correct!” said the Irishman. “I have to have that!” said Bud and paid him £50.00 in cash. Bud flew back to New York and mounted his Skull on the wall in his Pub. People came from all over America to view this famous Skull. He made a fortune over a five-year period and retired a very rich man. During his retirement, he decided to go back to visit Ireland, the land that made him a fortune. Bud flew back into Knock airport, and while walking down the stairs saw the same Irishman at the bottom of the stairs. “God”, said Bud, “What are you doing?” “I’m selling skulls”, replied the Irishman. “And what skulls do you have today?” said Bud. “Well, I have the skulls of the most famous Irishmen that ever lived!” said the Irishman. “That’s great!” said Bud. “Give me some names!” “Well!” said the Irishman, pointing to various skulls. “That one there is James Joyce, the famous author and playwright, that one there is St. Brendan, the Navigator, that’s Michael Collins the leader of the 1916 rising, and that one there is St. Patrick, the Patron Saint of Ireland…god bless his soul.” “Sorry” said Bud, “But did you say St. Patrick?” “That’s correct!” said the Irishman. “Well!” said Bud, I was here almost 7 years ago and you sold me a Skull a little bit bigger than that one there, and you told me then that the skull was St. Patrick.” “Oh yes!” said the Irishman, “I remember you now! You see… This is St. Patrick when he was a boy!”

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  121. Viking2 (11,412 comments) says:

    Checking out at the store, the young cashier
    suggested to the older woman that she should
    bring her own shopping bags because plastic
    bags weren’t good for the environment. The
    woman apologized and explained, “We didn’t
    have this green thing back in my earlier days.”

    The cashier responded, “That’s our problem
    today. Your generation did not care enough to
    save our environment for future generations.”
    She was right — our generation didn’t have the
    green thing in its day. Back then, we returned
    milk bottles, pop bottles and beer bottles to the
    store. The store sent them back to the plant to
    be washed and sterilized and refilled, so it could
    use the same bottles over and over. So they really
    were recycled. We refilled writing pens with ink
    instead of buying a new pen, and we replaced the
    razor blades in a razor instead of throwing away
    the whole razor just because the blade got dull.
    But we didn’t have the green thing back in our day.

    We walked up stairs, because we didn’t have an
    escalator in every shop and office building. We
    walked to the grocery store and didn’t climb into
    a 300-horsepower machine every time we had to
    go two blocks. But she was right.

    We didn’t have the green thing in our day.

    Back then, we washed the baby’s nappies because
    we didn’t have the throw-away kind. We dried
    clothes on a line, not in an energy gobbling machine
    burning up 220 volts — wind and solar power really
    did dry our clothes back in our early days. Kids got
    hand-me-down clothes from their brothers or
    sisters, not always brand-new clothing. But that
    young lady is right.
    We didn’t have the green thing back in our day.

    Back then, we had one TV, or radio, in the house
    — not a TV in every room. And the TV had a small
    screen the size of a handkerchief (remember
    them?), not a screen the size of the county of
    Yorkshire. In the kitchen, we blended and stirred
    by hand because we didn’t have electric machines
    to do everything for us. When we packaged a fragile
    item to send in the post, we used wadded up old
    newspapers to cushion it, not Styrofoam or plastic
    bubble wrap. Back then, we didn’t fire up an engine
    and burn petrol just to cut the lawn. We used a push
    mower that ran on human power. We exercised by
    working so we didn’t need to go to a health club to
    run on treadmills that operate on electricity. But
    she’s right.
    We didn’t have the green thing back then.

    We drank water from a fountain or a tap when we
    were thirsty instead of demanding a plastic bottle
    flown in from another country. We accepted that
    a lot of food was seasonal and didn?t expect that
    to be bucked by flying it thousands of air miles
    around the world. We actually cooked food that
    didn?t come out of a packet, tin or plastic wrap
    and we could even wash our own vegetables and
    chop our own salad.
    But we didn’t have the green thing back then.

    Back then, people took the tram or a bus, and kids
    rode their bikes to school or walked instead of
    turning their mothers into a 24-hour taxi service.
    We had one electrical outlet in a room, not an
    entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances.
    And we didn’t need a computerized gadget to
    receive a signal beamed from satellites 2,000
    miles out in space in order to find the nearest
    pizza joint.

    But isn’t it sad that the current generation
    laments how wasteful we old folks were just
    because we didn’t have the green thing back then?

    Please forward this on to another selfish old
    person who needs a lesson in conservation from
    a young person.

    Remember: Don’t make old people mad. We don’t
    like being old in the first place, so it doesn’t take
    much to piss us off.

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  122. Viking2 (11,412 comments) says:

    A Canadian Cougar sleeping in a tree.
    This picture was taken near Algonquin Park.
    They look pretty harmless when they are asleep, but don’t be fooled!
    They are said to be quite aggressive and down-right wild.

    http://screencast.com/t/OrAedF59i

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  123. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Couple of times in the past i have wondered why the likes of, say, Scott Chris and Luc Hansen etc. hate
    themselves and their own society so much. i couldn’t get it.
    But today i saw an axiomatic quote that did explain it.

    “There are no limits to white liberal guilt.”

    Now aint that the truth ?

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  124. Viking2 (11,412 comments) says:

    Who said they are white, plenty of green liberal sprinkled among them.

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  125. Viking2 (11,412 comments) says:

    Worst retail conditions in 50 years, says Harvey Norman founder

    by: Katherine Jimenez
    From: The Australian
    November 27, 2012 2:26PM

    VETERAN retailer Gerry Harvey has predicted a wave of retail collapses in the months after Christmas, as struggling stores limp toward the festive sales season.

    Speaking after the company’s annual general meeting, the Harvey Norman chairman said: “You’ve seen more retailers go out of business in the last two years than you have seen in the history of Australia and there are more retailers currently under pressure.”

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  126. Viking2 (11,412 comments) says:

    Trade deficit soars 120pc in Q3 as resources prices slump

    by: Enda Curran
    From: Dow Jones Newswires
    November 27, 2012 3:43PM

    IN a blow to the government’s target of returning a fiscal budget surplus, Australia’s trade deficit more than doubled in the third quarter due to a slump in exports of iron ore and coal, preliminary data released today showed.

    In the three months to the end of September the seasonally-adjusted deficit rose 120 per cent to $4.65 billion, from $2.1 billion in the previous quarter, said the Australian Bureau of Statistics, or ABS.

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  127. Viking2 (11,412 comments) says:

    New Zealand’s economy was in the red to the tune of NZ$718 million in October, Statistics New Zealand said today, with this trade deficit coming in NZ$268 million above the deficit forecast by economists. It’s also way ahead of the NZ$226 million deficit recorded in the same month last year.

    The deficit came as the value of exports dropped NZ$423 million, or 11%, to NZ$3.5 billion last month compared with October last year. Economists noted the monthly deficit was way above the NZ$450 million consensus of their expectations. Westpac economists suggested it would rise even higher in coming months due to Christchurch rebuild related imports, and BNZ economist Doug Steel contrasted the 11% annual drop in export values with a 33% rise in house sales, saying this provided a vivid illustration of the current imbalances.

    http://www.interest.co.nz/currencies/62225/nz-trade-deficit-hits-nz718-mln-october-equivalent-21-exports-and-deficit-nz226-mln

    Not looking too flash around our neighbourhood.

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  128. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    VETERAN retailer Gerry Harvey has predicted a wave of retail collapses

    and he will have been the cause of a fair proportion of them going out of business.

    Bunnings are similar, I go to get a trailer made locally, the engineer tells me, I’d love too but I can’t even put together the axle assembly for what you can buy at Bunnings.

    I go to Bunnings, small trailer for a ride on, wired up $1000. That ,for better or worse is why alot of small business are going tits up.

    Who can compete with a Bunnings or a Harvey Normans who buy units by the thousands?

    I know ,I know, ban all imports and have locals make them supported by the government.. that sounds like a plan

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  129. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    We seem to be plagued with these self hating, New Zealand hating white liberals.

    @ 4.00 on KB today we have some wanker called Mike Joy, who is descrbed as being a “scientist, from Massey university”
    now there is a contradiction in terms, ( A ‘scientist’ , from Massey, LOL )

    Who reckons he has now discovered that New Zealand is not even in the top half of countries internationally for
    being ‘Clean Green.’

    Why do these shitheads hate themselves so much ?

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  130. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    and here we have a total effing idiot.

    http://femm.massey.ac.nz/ourpeople-mikejoy.html
    This loser should to his speciality, pond scum.

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  131. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    read the chapter in this idiots biography linked to above titled “Research.”

    If you can find such pretentious bullshit crap anywhere about any other ‘Scientists’, research
    i’ll go he.

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  132. chiz (1,133 comments) says:

    US considered nuking the moon to intimidate the soviet union.

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  133. RightNow (6,986 comments) says:

    bereal, Death and Joy work together a lot don’t they?

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  134. Viking2 (11,412 comments) says:

    And the biggest risk to the outlook is a slowing Australian economy, hurting New Zealand exports.

    Trade figures out yesterday showed exports to Australia – New Zealand’s biggest market – were down 4.5 per cent in the past year. Australia accounted for about a fifth of New Zealand’s exports, so a slowdown across the Tasman had big implications for exports, especially for manufacturers here.

    The economy is going through its slowest recovery from a downturn in 80 years, and the biggest risk is a slowdown in Australia, according to economic forecasting group NZIER.

    In its latest Quarterly Predictions, NZIER says the trudge out of the gloom would take another two to three years.

    In a slow and patchy recovery, the New Zealand economy is expected to grow 2.1 per cent in 2013 and only slightly better at 2.6 per cent in the following year.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8005903/Slowing-Aussie-economy-seen-as-our-biggest-threat

    It was a red October for exporters, with overseas sales down on the same month last year almost across the board for both key markets and main products.

    International prices for New Zealand’s main exports are lower, and a high dollar – yesterday it was trading at US82.2 cents – is making the situation worse.

    As a result, the trade deficit in October was larger than expected at $718 million because of weaker dairy exports and a slump in aluminium exports.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8005902/Trade-gap-balloon-a-gloomy-portent

    Planet Key doesn’t sem to think so. Been obvious for 2 years and the orbit at the beehive is more about fighting and scrapping about politics than it is aboput NZ.

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  135. Viking2 (11,412 comments) says:

    New Zealand’s trade accounts sank deeper into the red last month. A deficit of $718 million was recorded as the country pulled in $1.21 of imports for every $1 of exports.

    It pushed the annual deficit to $1.4 billion, up from a deficit of $875 million in the year ended September. The previous two October years recorded trade surpluses.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10850380

    New Zealand financial institutions are picking a slower pace of price increases in the coming year and are not betting on the unemployment rate dropping below 6 per cent for two years, according to a Reserve Bank’s survey.

    Respondents in the central bank’s survey of expectations sliced 20 basis points from their one-year median forecast for the consumer price index to 1.77 per cent, below governor Graeme Wheeler’s long-term aim under the policy target agreement, and the two-year ahead median expectation at 2.3 per cent, down by the same amount.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10850317

    Its gunna be tough next year.

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  136. Viking2 (11,412 comments) says:

    Auckland gone mad.
    House prices to skyrocket.
    Time to move out.

    New rules to stop heritage loss could require owners of pre-war homes to prove their case to knock down.

    The Auckland Council is considering a region-wide ban on demolishing tens of thousands of heritage and character homes unless owners can prove they are beyond repair.

    The proposed new rules are based on the Brisbane model and would apply to all pre-World War II houses. Unlike now, every application to demolish or remove a house would be publicly notified.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10850434

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