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Just for a moment,
ignore the reality that as Einstein correctly said, “religion is simply childish”, and the fact that space research has now covered billions of miles in every direction without spotting an old bearded bugger in a nightie and sandals, let alone several billion harp-playing angels.
Let’s pretend instead that there actually is an all-powerful God, able to control earthly events. Well, put yourself in his place, perhaps sitting quietly having breakfast with Mrs God or enjoying a round of heavenly golf, if enjoyment is possible with the certain knowledge of 18 holes-in-one, or whatever God gets his kicks from, and being constantly interrupted by earthly snivelling to change his mind about this and that, which is what prayer essentially constitutes.
Wonderful though God supposedly is, even he would eventually snap and lash out with a few city-destroying earthquakes, volcanoes, floods and whatnot, and who could blame him? So in the interest of giving God a bit of peace and quiet, everyone of a mystical disposition should show some consideration and knock off this constant skyward braying. It’s not doing you any good.
2010: They were anti-Hobbit.
2012: They go to the movie premiere and bask on the red carpet.
The glory of The Hobbit isn’t Labour’s to bask in; their support of the MEAA and CTU almost killed the project in New Zealand. But David Shearer, Grant Robertson and Annette King will be there with bells on tomorrow night. Hopefully the voting public will see the irony in this…
Viking: Oh no! Did you have to? Another GD consisting of 238 comments from warring God botherers and “the rest”
Peter: We all know that if the PCE said fracking was the best thing since sliced bread and had no environmental impact, the Greens will at best rubbish the report, but more likely slag off the PCE…just as they did with her Report on 1080 which said pretty much “the most effective tool against possums and with a neglible, if any, enviromental impact.”
Whilst your link is on the money, I suspect this will most likely result in a 500 word dissertation from Reid full of such pearls including Doh / Der / mental / tewwowists / it’s the elections / wockets / etc.
All rather sad. His ‘cure’ for the Hamas terrorist plague is for Israel to turn a cheek to the rain of rockets fired by the Hamas terrorists and to instead adopt a policy of night time, surgical strikes against an enemy that hides behind skirts!
Others may suggest something more permanent in the fight against Hamas terrorism: KA-BOOM!
Interesting Op Ed by Rodney. Sources would be interesting. I wonder if the six children how were killed who were victims of their mother’s suicide were infants or children or unborn children? He should have made that clear. The comment about Maori is very interesting as well.
Rodney Hide: Government is keeping abusive parents afloat
Shockingly, 5.4 per cent of all New Zealand children have a substantiated finding of emotional, physical or sexual abuse or neglect by age 5. That’s more than one in 20 children.
Here’s a quick quiz. You are a child. Who is most likely to kill you. Your mum? Your dad? Stepdad?
Police have the answer after analysing family violence deaths over the past seven years. The answer is clear.
It’s your mum. By a long margin.
You are more than twice as likely to be killed by your mum than your stepdad. Mum is five times more likely to kill than dad.
It’s not what you would expect. It’s certainly not the sense that you get from the news. That’s because mums who kill their babies go largely unreported.
Five of the 15 children killed by mum were newborn babies whose mothers concealed their pregnancy and killed their babies immediately on birth. Six children were victims of their mother’s suicide.
As depressing and as shocking as their deaths are, they don’t make the news. That’s in stark contrast to the news of delinquent stepdads who torture and murder their children and the trials by media and jury that follow.
It’s not exclusively a Maori problem either, despite the impression the news gives. The killer mums were overwhelmingly non-Maori.
V2, I’d rather they kicked the awful Haka in the head, which is performed at the drop of a had and is somehow supposed to represent NZ. How on earth does it represent modern day NZ? Really.
Does the U.S whip out an Indian rain dance at every possible opportunity they have to expose themselves overseas? No?
I think the National Anthem is far more representative that the god-awful haka, which pretty much only represents a sub-culture out of a nation of (now) many.
ps, I do agree with this part at the end of Bob Jones tirade –
Finally, let’s not have any gibberish about national pride. Pride is about accomplishment. It’s like the homosexuals and their ridiculous gay pride sloganising. Sodomy ain’t an accomplishment, any more, I hasten to add before they’re all aflutter, than heterosexual activity is
Though, I do believe one should have pride in their country.
The David Shambles Show continues. Not only did he stumble all over TV news, he had a student radio interview yesterday in which he said:
Ah yes, but at the end of the day, the bloggers are not the voters. In fact they’re a long, long way away from the voters, to be perfectly frank.
When you go round the country and I talk to people, I have a better sense, I believe, than bloggers sitting there in front of a computer, quite frankly. Especially when they are sort of blogging anonymously. I don’t have a, um. I don’t listen to them. I don’t read them. I do what I believe is right.
Ross12, Dr. Claire Robinson is exactly the type of intimidating useless experts that I posted a video link yesterday in one of the threads regarding late Feynman’s opinion on those pseudo-intellectuals. I pasted it again below.
Tim and Elaycee, I don’t see this proves a thing, so what if Barak is resigning? I’ve italicised the relevant bit for you.
Ehud Olmert, the former prime minister who has spent recent years battling corruption charges, has also apparently decided against a comeback bid right now, leaving Ms. Livni, Mr. Lapid and the current heads of Kadima and Labor to battle it out for the dwindling center-left electorate. Analysts say this landscape is unlikely to change the fundamental dynamic in which right-wing and religious parties win a majority of Parliament seats, and Mr. Netanyahu is widely seen as the most likely to form a new government.
And bear in mind that I’ve always said too that Israel’s politicians deliberately do things which are destructive to Israel, just like America’s politicians do things destructive to the US. So when looking at it you need to bear both dynamics in mind. But I’m tired of talking about that.
As he says, it’s been going on for years, dating back to when Hong Kong was being handed back. In the few years before this happened a whole lot of HK people were looking for a bolt-hole so they’d come to Auckland, buy property, often setup one or more of their kids in it, who’d go to school here and they themselves would then return to HK having established a bolt hole if the need arises. And while HK handover has come and gone, this is still what happens. Having either NZ or Aus residency is seen as very desirable. There is a simple fix which is to either change the points system to incentivise settlement in places other than in Akld or a stamp duty.
“[Warner Bros] had sent a location scout around England and Scotland to take photos, and they literally had the script broken down to each scene, and in each scene there were pictures of the Scottish Highlands, and the forests in England… and that was to convince us we could easily just go over there and shoot the film,” he told Radio New Zealand.
Bhudson, yes that bass player in that song is faster, but I think that John Entwistle pointed out by James Stephenson is awesome. I talked to the bass player of the Crush song on the night after their re-union concert in Minneapolis in 2010, when I was there for my sister’s funeral and he told me that even the bass in the Crush is not the super-fastest but he had managed during their tours back then to keep up with dancing at the same time and playing the bass, simultaneously. He strapped the bass guitar very tight so it didn’t swing around him when he played and danced at the same time, thus enabling him to hit the bass correctly and on time.
Disturbing media reports coming in from UK and LIbya about the torture and exectuions of homosexual men.
Yes iMP. Perhaps if some people hadn’t been so keen on NATO taking out Gadaffi this wouldn’t be happening. Still I did try to warn people at the time. The same thing will be happening in Syria, once the west have completed their takeover there and handed it over to Al-Qa’ida, just like they’ve done in Libya and in Eqypt where the MB is just another front.
It’s surprising it never seems to occur to people who support all of these moves to ask themselves, how come the west is handing govts over to an organisation that they’re supposedly at war with? That question never seems to occur to them.
I can understand people not being particularly interested in The Hobbit or The Lord of the Rings, and that’s fine. I read the books years ago and thoroughly enjoyed them, so probably unsurprisingly really enjoyed the LOTR movies as well. Looking forward to The Hobbit.
Have you any idea how ridiculous that sounds Reid?
Well I did David. I’ve explained multiple times Egypt, Libya and now Syria are western-inspired colour revolutions courtesy of Brzezhinsky whose been advising Obama since he first took office.
The reason I was doing that was not because that was merely an interesting set of facts but because if you accept that thesis as a possibility and then think through the implications of the west doing that in those nations you come up with some important conclusions about how the west and the western media operates. For example, by observing what the govts of both Egypt and Libya now look like, knowing that it’s been the west’s option to have those govts look like anything they wanted to, because that’s how it works when you sponsor a revolution, what does this mean about what the war on terror really in fact is.
So that was the “warning” I was giving. Poor choice of words perhaps, maybe “flagged” would have been a better word. Not many people I expect picked it up, which is not unusual. But perhaps one or two did.
…you only hit 315!
And most of that was about Auckland property prices Elaycee. Even I get sick of talking about the wain of wockets.
Ahoy Penny: Are you going to confirm you are the same Penelope Mary Bright who had previously announced alignment with the Workers Communist League? You know – this happened at the meeting in the Auckland Domain attended by John Bernard Minto and the Socialist Unity Party man, Bill Andersen?
You have all the credibility of a three dollar bill. One with a picture of Abdul Ahmed Lucy to the left of the watermark.
God – an interesting concept.
I heard about a catholic man, who desparately wanted a car. He prayed and prayed and prayed, but nothing happened. THEN he relised that he wasn’t working the way God expected, so he changed his approach. He went and stole the car he wanted from a place far away from where he lived, then he went straight into the confessional and begged forgiveness and absolution from his priest, which were, in the name of God, fully given.
Now he remains a good catholic, and thanks to his newly acquired skills has all the goodies he can imagine needing, and is absolved of all sin – He believes in God!
Ah yes! the old “plenary indulgence” was a fantastic rort by the Holy Mother Church for centuries. Do any bloody thing you like… then purchase the plenary indulgence in a timely fashion – i.e. before it was necessary to administer the last rites, and Bob’s your Uncle! Heaven here I come!
Harriet: If you are trying to show how erudite you are by use of the word “whom”, do try to get it right…
“To whom do you refer?”; “…all of whom have been guilty of that particular sin at one time…” ….CORRECT
“..Garrett and Nasska whom act as though…” … WRONG
A recent CNBC clip in which financial analysts admit to viewers that America is under the control of a group of central bankers who are building a world government is a damning insight into how the establishment has dispensed with any pretense of trying to hide their agenda as it is finalized.
During the video, the host asks guests, “Do we all work for central bankers – is this global governance at last – is it one world – the central bankers in charge….aren’t we all just living and dying for what the central banks do?”
“To answer your question, we are absolutely slaves to central banks,” responds the guest.
This is what the article to which she refers says about NZ
“New Zealand is one of the safest places to consider when investing abroad. The country has stable political and economical systems. The jurisdiction although it offers offshore services and advantages has not been targeted or black listed as a harmful tax haven. The laws which govern offshore entities in New Zealand are very modern and are up to par with its more developed offshore counterparts. The assets placed in New Zealand offshore entities are well protect by New Zealand laws. The tax haven of New Zealand is very helpful for persons who are considering reducing their tax liabilities.”
Unfortunately, according to Ms Bright, the combination of safety, political and economic stability, good reputation and laws which compare favourably internationally is wholly undesirable because it will entice naughty people.
Maybe Penny would be much, much happier with an Italian political system, a Greek economy, a Colombian reputation and a Zimbabwean legal system. That might work keeping out the bad guys, eh Pen? Or were you on a bad acid trip when you linked that post?
“overwhelmed” would be the wrong word Harriet…I DO regard the Roman Catholic church as one of the world’s more evil institutions…I am sure you will be most interested in the revelations to come about more sexual impropriety in the church in New Zealand..Here’s a teaser: They may not be in the same league as the Christian Brothers in Australia, but the Marist Brothers in New Zealand were certainly leaders of the second division…
And it all got so much more tempting when catholic schools started to go co-ed…..now there’s an even better clue for you…. (not, not me; I clearly was never a pretty boy)
The Federal Reserve and investment banks like J P Morgan, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, Goldman Sachs are colluding through fractional reserve banking, derivatives, high frequency algorithmic trading (sposed to be illegal) and quantitative easing. Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece are only the beginning to a chain event that will soon affect the whole world.
The financial cliff and Iran/Middle East tensions are all working together, esp as 9/11 truth (first responders denied 9/11 commemoration) is coming to the surface and the US needs a scapegoat in the form of a huge war.
The US economy affects all the western world and 50 million of its families are on food stamps. These are what camouflage the dire straits and reality of the US economy. No one being seen in huge soup lines.
At present, many states are sending petitions by citizens to secede from the union. The number of signatures sent mean the White house has to legally recognise and respond.
The is the new development from the federal govt
Government Tells NJ Hurricane Victims to Demolish Their Homes Immediately or pay $2,000 Per Week
Child Poverty Action Group says a ground-breaking documentary on child poverty in New Zealand is compulsory viewing for all New Zealanders.
Multi-award winning producer and presenter Bryan Bruce’s Inside Child Poverty documentary will re-screen on TV3 tonight at 9.30pm.
CPAG spokesperson, Associate Professor Mike O’Brien said,
“We are delighted that TV3 is re-screening this documentary. It has played a significant role in raising the issue of child poverty in New Zealand. We believe it is a must-see for all New Zealanders.
“As the documentary says, New Zealanders are good people and we can fix this problem if we choose to. No child in New Zealand should be hungry, cold or ill due to preventable disease.
Child poverty is not a party political issue; it is a moral and ethical issue. Our politicians need to know that New Zealanders do want to invest in children and their future.”
Featured in the documentary is CPAG’s ongoing fight for the rights of 230,000 children through legal channels.
The case is to be heard in Court of Appeal in early 2013. CPAG urgently needs funds to support their action: seehttp://www.cpag.org.nz/infocus/ http://www.cpag.org.nz
Also check out John Majors traitorous Maastrict Treaty giving UK sovereignty to Euro bureaucrats who don’t have to pay their enforced taxes. Regardless of who is in Govt in the UK Europe ratifies 3/4 of UK law
So Penny, were you really really proud of yourself as you stood side by side with other picketers in September? You know, where you picketed a charity lunch that was aiming to raise money for a new children’s ward at Waitakere Hospital, solely to make a point about John Key.
Colville- We all already knew Andrew Hore was an inbred hillbilly moron after his wildlife shooting rampage a few years ago.
It’s Steve Hansen that is really letting the Adi-black ‘Brand’ down with his pig-headed and blind refusal to accept any wrongdoing. His moaning that ‘The British media are making this a big issue’ and that the incident was simply Hore ‘clearing out another player’ confirms that he is arrogant, out of touch and firmly believes his ‘old boys network’ will make this go away. (Just like the O’Driscoll incident seemingly never happened)
Hell even former All Blacks are coming out in the media scathing of Hore and that NEVER happens..
And just imagine, if you can, the response from Steve Hansen and co if Dan Carter or Saint Richie had been king hit from behind, left unconscious on the pitch and carted off by ambulance….It would be the outrage of the century!
Just on the banking issues above, here’s another vid from a senior exec of one of the High Street UK banks who outlines the predatory lending practices endemic in that industry in the UK. Not so bad here but it gets worse yearly. See what I don’t get is if we can fine Casinos and pubs for letting customers go nuts on pokies, then why shouldn’t we be allowed to do it to banks? Sure you can logically argue lenders should look after themselves like all of us already do but if society does it for gamblers and smokers, then why don’t we do it to predatory lenders as well.
BTW, hinamanu mostly talks about the debt-based fiat money fractional reserve Central Banking system. There are some very good docos that explain that: e.g.
What do any of those have to do with the Roman Catholic Church?
With or without the Pope, Cardinals, Monsigneurs, Bishops and others, they would all be celebrated with verve and vigor, kepp the church out of Christianity if you ask me, Jesus would close them down as fast as the merchants in the temple grounds!
Dave Stinger,are you serious?
All those are Church feast days.
If it weren’t for the ‘Church” that you seek to criticise we mightn’t have heard about Jesus of Galilee and His anti retail antics at the Temple.
And Church is not just grey men in pointy hats( that’s hierarcy).The Church is all the baptised people,that’s ‘Church’.
Piss up and catholics? The Trappists kept their best brews for the Big Days ,so yeah,why not?
I hope you are not counting me as one of “the people who rant against “religion” on this blog”!
I am a great believer in believing, I just can’t accept a church that thinks it can sell god’s behaviour for money, and complains of poverty while being one of the richest establishments in the world.
In the same class I put monks who claim to practice the teachings of Buddah, but drive SUVs and stand for parliamentary seats and quangos.
To sum my position up. Religion – Good, organisations who preach their own brand of servitude – Bad.
Church – YES, Roman Catholic Church – not the same as ‘all the baptised people’, indeed, they don’t recognise you as baptised unless it was done by a Roman Catholic Priest! ! ! ! Such a Christian approach to christianity!
Some momentary wisdom in the wasteland of “discussion” and “debate” on this blog.
“Tradition means giving votes to the most obscure of all classes, our ancestors. It is the democracy of the dead. Tradition refuses to submit to the small and arrogant oligarchy of those who merely happen to be walking about. All democrats object to men being disqualified by the accident of their birth; tradition objects to their being disqualified by the accident of death.”
G. K. Chesterton.
“Whoever says that he “belongs to his time” is only saying that he agrees with the largest number of fools at that moment.”
“The word “modern” no longer has an automatic prestige except among fools.”
“Individualism is the cradle of vulgarity.”
“Truths are not relative. What are relative are opinions about truth.”
“The left claims that the guilty party in a conflict is not the one who covets another’s goods but the one who defends his own.”
“Conformism and non-conformism are symmetrical expressions of a lack of originality.”
“Faith is not knowledge of an object but communion with it.”
“I distrust every idea that doesn’t seem obsolete and grotesque to my contemporaries.”
“Many love humanity only in order to forget God with a clear conscience.”
“Hierarchies are celestial. In hell all are equal.”
““Revolution is progressive and seeks the strengthening of the state; rebellion is reactionary and seeks its disappearance. The revolutionary is a potential government official; the rebel is a reactionary in action.”
“Violence is not necessary to destroy a civilization. Each civilization dies from indifference to the unique values which created it.”
“Modern man is a prisoner who thinks he is free because he refuses to touch the walls of his dungeon”
“If one does not believe in God, the only honest alternative is vulgar utilitarianism. The rest is rhetoric.”
“Modern man calls walking more quickly in the same direction down the same road “change.” The world, in the last three hundred years, has not changed except in that sense. The simple suggestion of a true change scandalizes and terrifies modern man.”
Nicolas Gomez Davila
You may all now return to sharing whatever dribbles it’s way out your feeble minds.
Pauleastbay gives us another example of how the mores of society have been changed for the worse. The fact that someone deemed it right to prosecute this policeman for dealing with a, self-confessed, drunk and abusive criminal who was dealt with as he should have been. Somehow I have a feeling that the criminal who brought the prosecution is of the generation that have grown up with no repercussions for their actio0ns beyond being called naughty.
Surely it’s time we took back our communities from the people who would have it destroyed by protecting the ‘rights’ of those who do wrong above those they damage, hurt or attack in their wronging.
Jesus would close them down as fast as the merchants in the temple grounds
They were actually bankers Dave. It’s the only time in the Bible where Jesus is violent. What they were doing was exchanging the people’s goods for the only acceptable sacrifice in the Temple, which was the shekel. And every worshipper had to sacrifice. And they were charging outrageous exchange rates, preventing people from accessing G-d.
dave,this is going to get tedious. The Roman catholic Church up to the various Protestant reformers was to all intents and purposes the ONLY church in Western Europe,from 400 till say 1450ish!One thousand years.
So it’s calendar was everyones ,it’s saints were evryones,it’s feast days were evryones. Everyone was Roman Catholic. The Church was the Roman Church. That’s why the Anglicans recognise people like St Patrick,David etc(Anglicans are practically Roman anyway) Their Nicene creed is our Nicene creed.
“Catholic” means universal and that includes you. And you’re wrong about baptism. I reckon an Anglican baptism would be good enough ffor Rome. And certainly the other 16 or 17 Catholic denominations recognise each other’s rites ,so your blast about RC priest baptism is wrong.
Sorry, pre- Patrician Saints, St Declan. Pat jsut rode in on the shirt tails after the hard yards were done
I liked the idea so much I named a son after him , mind you in our family there are 15 Patricks , 23 Michaels and bulk Andrews , we had to scratch about for someone that wasn’t named 12 times every generation
A wee Irish boy is crying by the side of the road. A man asks “What’s wrong?” Boy says “Me Ma is dead.” “Oh bejaysus” the man says. “Do you want me to get Father O’Riley?” Wee boy replies “No thanks Mister, sex is the last ting on me moind roight now.”
Bud Nelson, from New York; flew to Knock Airport in the west of Ireland on business. As he walked down the stairs from the plane onto the runway he noticed a small Irishman standing beside a long table with an assortment of Human Skulls. “What are you doing?” asked the American. “I’m selling skulls”, replied the Irishman. “And what skulls do you have?” said Bud. “Well, I have the skulls of the most famous Irishmen that ever lived!” said the Irishman. “That’s great!” said Bud. “Give me some names!” “Well!” said the Irishman, pointing to various skulls. “That one there is James Joyce, the famous author and playwright, that one there is St. Brendan, the Navigator, that’s Michael Collins the leader of the 1916 rising, and that one there is St. Patrick, the Patron Saint of Ireland…god bless his soul.” “Sorry” said Bud, “But did you say St. Patrick?” “That’s correct!” said the Irishman. “I have to have that!” said Bud and paid him £50.00 in cash. Bud flew back to New York and mounted his Skull on the wall in his Pub. People came from all over America to view this famous Skull. He made a fortune over a five-year period and retired a very rich man. During his retirement, he decided to go back to visit Ireland, the land that made him a fortune. Bud flew back into Knock airport, and while walking down the stairs saw the same Irishman at the bottom of the stairs. “God”, said Bud, “What are you doing?” “I’m selling skulls”, replied the Irishman. “And what skulls do you have today?” said Bud. “Well, I have the skulls of the most famous Irishmen that ever lived!” said the Irishman. “That’s great!” said Bud. “Give me some names!” “Well!” said the Irishman, pointing to various skulls. “That one there is James Joyce, the famous author and playwright, that one there is St. Brendan, the Navigator, that’s Michael Collins the leader of the 1916 rising, and that one there is St. Patrick, the Patron Saint of Ireland…god bless his soul.” “Sorry” said Bud, “But did you say St. Patrick?” “That’s correct!” said the Irishman. “Well!” said Bud, I was here almost 7 years ago and you sold me a Skull a little bit bigger than that one there, and you told me then that the skull was St. Patrick.” “Oh yes!” said the Irishman, “I remember you now! You see… This is St. Patrick when he was a boy!”
Checking out at the store, the young cashier
suggested to the older woman that she should
bring her own shopping bags because plastic
bags weren’t good for the environment. The
woman apologized and explained, “We didn’t
have this green thing back in my earlier days.”
The cashier responded, “That’s our problem
today. Your generation did not care enough to
save our environment for future generations.”
She was right — our generation didn’t have the
green thing in its day. Back then, we returned
milk bottles, pop bottles and beer bottles to the
store. The store sent them back to the plant to
be washed and sterilized and refilled, so it could
use the same bottles over and over. So they really
were recycled. We refilled writing pens with ink
instead of buying a new pen, and we replaced the
razor blades in a razor instead of throwing away
the whole razor just because the blade got dull.
But we didn’t have the green thing back in our day.
We walked up stairs, because we didn’t have an
escalator in every shop and office building. We
walked to the grocery store and didn’t climb into
a 300-horsepower machine every time we had to
go two blocks. But she was right.
We didn’t have the green thing in our day.
Back then, we washed the baby’s nappies because
we didn’t have the throw-away kind. We dried
clothes on a line, not in an energy gobbling machine
burning up 220 volts — wind and solar power really
did dry our clothes back in our early days. Kids got
hand-me-down clothes from their brothers or
sisters, not always brand-new clothing. But that
young lady is right.
We didn’t have the green thing back in our day.
Back then, we had one TV, or radio, in the house
— not a TV in every room. And the TV had a small
screen the size of a handkerchief (remember
them?), not a screen the size of the county of
Yorkshire. In the kitchen, we blended and stirred
by hand because we didn’t have electric machines
to do everything for us. When we packaged a fragile
item to send in the post, we used wadded up old
newspapers to cushion it, not Styrofoam or plastic
bubble wrap. Back then, we didn’t fire up an engine
and burn petrol just to cut the lawn. We used a push
mower that ran on human power. We exercised by
working so we didn’t need to go to a health club to
run on treadmills that operate on electricity. But
We didn’t have the green thing back then.
We drank water from a fountain or a tap when we
were thirsty instead of demanding a plastic bottle
flown in from another country. We accepted that
a lot of food was seasonal and didn?t expect that
to be bucked by flying it thousands of air miles
around the world. We actually cooked food that
didn?t come out of a packet, tin or plastic wrap
and we could even wash our own vegetables and
chop our own salad.
But we didn’t have the green thing back then.
Back then, people took the tram or a bus, and kids
rode their bikes to school or walked instead of
turning their mothers into a 24-hour taxi service.
We had one electrical outlet in a room, not an
entire bank of sockets to power a dozen appliances.
And we didn’t need a computerized gadget to
receive a signal beamed from satellites 2,000
miles out in space in order to find the nearest
But isn’t it sad that the current generation
laments how wasteful we old folks were just
because we didn’t have the green thing back then?
Please forward this on to another selfish old
person who needs a lesson in conservation from
a young person.
Remember: Don’t make old people mad. We don’t
like being old in the first place, so it doesn’t take
much to piss us off.
A Canadian Cougar sleeping in a tree.
This picture was taken near Algonquin Park.
They look pretty harmless when they are asleep, but don’t be fooled!
They are said to be quite aggressive and down-right wild.
Couple of times in the past i have wondered why the likes of, say, Scott Chris and Luc Hansen etc. hate
themselves and their own society so much. i couldn’t get it.
But today i saw an axiomatic quote that did explain it.
Worst retail conditions in 50 years, says Harvey Norman founder
by: Katherine Jimenez
From: The Australian
November 27, 2012 2:26PM
VETERAN retailer Gerry Harvey has predicted a wave of retail collapses in the months after Christmas, as struggling stores limp toward the festive sales season.
Speaking after the company’s annual general meeting, the Harvey Norman chairman said: Youve seen more retailers go out of business in the last two years than you have seen in the history of Australia and there are more retailers currently under pressure.
Trade deficit soars 120pc in Q3 as resources prices slump
by: Enda Curran
From: Dow Jones Newswires
November 27, 2012 3:43PM
IN a blow to the government’s target of returning a fiscal budget surplus, Australia’s trade deficit more than doubled in the third quarter due to a slump in exports of iron ore and coal, preliminary data released today showed.
In the three months to the end of September the seasonally-adjusted deficit rose 120 per cent to $4.65 billion, from $2.1 billion in the previous quarter, said the Australian Bureau of Statistics, or ABS.
New Zealand’s economy was in the red to the tune of NZ$718 million in October, Statistics New Zealand said today, with this trade deficit coming in NZ$268 million above the deficit forecast by economists. It’s also way ahead of the NZ$226 million deficit recorded in the same month last year.
The deficit came as the value of exports dropped NZ$423 million, or 11%, to NZ$3.5 billion last month compared with October last year. Economists noted the monthly deficit was way above the NZ$450 million consensus of their expectations. Westpac economists suggested it would rise even higher in coming months due to Christchurch rebuild related imports, and BNZ economist Doug Steel contrasted the 11% annual drop in export values with a 33% rise in house sales, saying this provided a vivid illustration of the current imbalances.
And the biggest risk to the outlook is a slowing Australian economy, hurting New Zealand exports.
Trade figures out yesterday showed exports to Australia – New Zealand’s biggest market – were down 4.5 per cent in the past year. Australia accounted for about a fifth of New Zealand’s exports, so a slowdown across the Tasman had big implications for exports, especially for manufacturers here.
The economy is going through its slowest recovery from a downturn in 80 years, and the biggest risk is a slowdown in Australia, according to economic forecasting group NZIER.
In its latest Quarterly Predictions, NZIER says the trudge out of the gloom would take another two to three years.
In a slow and patchy recovery, the New Zealand economy is expected to grow 2.1 per cent in 2013 and only slightly better at 2.6 per cent in the following year.
New Zealand financial institutions are picking a slower pace of price increases in the coming year and are not betting on the unemployment rate dropping below 6 per cent for two years, according to a Reserve Bank’s survey.
Respondents in the central bank’s survey of expectations sliced 20 basis points from their one-year median forecast for the consumer price index to 1.77 per cent, below governor Graeme Wheeler’s long-term aim under the policy target agreement, and the two-year ahead median expectation at 2.3 per cent, down by the same amount. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10850317