General Debate 28 November 2012

November 28th, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Peter (1,712 comments) says:

    Housing affordability saga: Bob Jones

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10848596

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  2. Keeping Stock (10,339 comments) says:

    Hot on the heels of Claire Robinson’s review of 2011 election coverage, the Herald shows that loaded political coverage is anything but a one-way street…

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/11/media-balance.html

    And interestingly, Justice Ronald Young seems to be seeing right through the Maori Council’s kite-flying exercise; not that you’d know it until the very end of the Herald story, which is hopelessly slanted.

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  3. Tauhei Notts (1,712 comments) says:

    This morning’s New Zealand Herald is good for two reasons;
    (a) The shark photo on A3 is breathtaking.
    (b) Rick Mirkin’s letter to the editor on A36 is thought provoking.

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  4. Pete George (23,562 comments) says:

    A claim that Shearer slam-dunked Key in question time yesterday:

    David Shearer had Key on the back foot today in the House over Labour’s housing policy. It’s a good policy, and Key’s long-winded explanations didn’t answer Shearer’s pointed questions; even Speaker Lockwood Smith sat Key down for going on too long and off the point. Key had to be rescued …

    Mike must have been on a different channel. This gets an award for try-hard spin cringe.

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  5. Reid (16,454 comments) says:

    What is wrong with the sub-editor who came up with this headline? In the first few paras, this story explains what the Hobbit subsidies cost ($60m) and how many jobs it created (3000).

    Then in the next few paras Wussel makes up a number ($100m) and another number (2000) AND THIS BECOMES THE HEADLINE FOR THE STORY.

    What’s the matter. Does the subie think everyone is so stupid our brows would furrow if we had to calculate 60m/3000 so let’s make it a nice round number which everyone understands?

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8005932/50-000-each-for-film-jobs-Greens

    It’s moments like these you think back to smug superior comments from Edwards and Ralston and Shearer about bloggers having no facts, mere opinion, in complete contrast to real journalism.

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  6. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Reid,

    The media aren’t going to call their political darling on that, now are they?. Jobs costing thousands – complete nonsense!

    The govt is not paying WB to produce the films in NZ – they are agreeing to take less tax. If they had not given the incentives, the income from the movies and the tax would have been zero. As would have been the jobs, each with their own tax, spending and saving. Because the films would not have been produced here.

    Russel talks about printing money to stimulate the economy through govt spending [a bad idea], yet he doesn’t acknowledge the stimulus to the economy by agreeing to take less tax from WB and thereby having the movies produced here.

    He is a duplicitous shyster

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  7. Morgy (172 comments) says:

    Yesterday in question time, Heatley and Parker were having a maths debate. Heatley asked how were they going to produce 1 house an hour 7 days a week blah blah blah…..Parker then questioned that math and tried through a point of order to point out that that equation over 20 years would produce somewhere over 650,000 houses. Did I hear that right? Parker used the same figure in his last supplementary to Heatley to which Heatley answered, we will let the media work that one out.
    Correct me if I am wrong because I must be. For Parker to come up with that number is beyond beleif. 24 houses a day for 10 years = 87360 houses. Am I missing something here?

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  8. Keeping Stock (10,339 comments) says:

    Quite so bhudson. I’m just blogging on the Dom-Post’s editorial of this morning, and doubtless DPF will do likewise. One could never call the Dom-Post shills for John Key and National, but the leader writer leaves no room for doubt about who the winners and losers were in the dispute of two years ago.

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  9. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    @Morgy: You are missing nothing. Your math is correct.

    But bullshit math has been inherent in Labour for years – why should they want to stop it now?

    And, of course, you can expect the MSM to point out their errors later today….

    Cue: Tui Billboard.

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  10. Yvette (2,820 comments) says:

    Further to Reid’s comment –
    Taxpayers have reportedly shelled out more than $500 million in the past decade subsidising Hollywood productions like Sir Peter Jackson’s Lord of the Rings trilogy. The Hobbit is expected to snare as much as $60 million in subsidies.

    Some taxpayer money went reportedly to tourism promos preceding international screenings of films – actual cash – but other “subsidies” are forgone tax and so isn’t money shelled out, not a cent paid over so, without any distinction between the two Government involvements, Greens comments and the article repeating them is a fucking waste of time.

    Likewise there are three HOBBIT films, so “The Hobbit is expected to snare as much as $60 million in subsidies” means $180 million altogether, or only $20 million each – only 40% of what the Greens claims per film?

    A ‘news’ item not even worth the paper it isn’t written on.

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  11. Reid (16,454 comments) says:

    He is a duplicitous shyster

    He believes his own b.s. and he’s so naive he doesn’t know it’s b.s. How anyone can seriously urge QE on this economy based on the fact the US is doing it with their economy, and not be challenged by the media on it, is a mystery (but not surprising). We are, like every western nation, very poorly served by our Fourth Estate.

    Meanwhile…

    Maori Council lawyer Felix Geiringer this morning challenged John Key’s claim no one owns water and said the Prime Minister had misled the public on that point…

    The council argues it is unlawful for the Government to sell shares in the company because that would affect the Government’s ability to make redress for any Maori ownership claims over the Waikato River and other water bodies.

    But Mr Key has dismissed the council’s claims a number of times, saying his Government’s view was that under common law no owned the water in rivers, lake and other water bodies.

    But this morning Mr Geiringer said Mr Key was wrong, and his statements were an “error of law” and “meaningless”…

    …However, Justice Young challenged Mr Geiringer’s claims, asking him repeatedly to explain how Mr Key’s statements were an error of law. That led to a heated exchange which ended only when Justice Young told an increasingly frustrated Mr Geiringer to” take a deep breath and count to 10″ and to “remember where you are”.

    Maybe Felix needs to learn that just because Maori are allowed to make up the law out of thin air in the Waitangi Tribunal, this doesn’t mean Maori are allowed to do the same thing in other courts. Honestly they’re like children aren’t they. I can’t wait till Hone tries to make a political statement from the dock when his case is heard. I wonder how long he’ll be locked up for contempt of court.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10850304

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  12. Morgy (172 comments) says:

    Thanks Elaysee. I need to point out an error in my post. 10 years not 20 years.

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  13. david (2,557 comments) says:

    Morgy (@9:05), Parker’s math ability needs to be soundly and loudly mocked.

    What I believe he did is to go: 24*7*365*10 = 613,200 thereby inflating the answer by a factor of 7.

    Correct sum is 24*365*10 = 87,600, or 24*7*52*10 = 87,360 (unadjusted for leap years)

    What is the old saying, better to keep your mouth shut and be suspected of being a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

    cheers

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  14. Keeping Stock (10,339 comments) says:

    @ Morgy/Elaycee – David P is not the only Labour MP named David who struggles with numbers. The House was in a state of mirth yesterday when David C interjected on Steven Joyce “You can’t do numbers” from his new seat on the back bench; oh, the irony :D

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  15. Morgy (172 comments) says:

    Totally agree David. He kept on with it too over a period of time…nuts. John Armstrong has it here http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10850422

    @KS, yes saw that. Very funny!!

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  16. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    Wow.
    The Green’s bill for registering lobbyists has reared its ugly head – in Brisbane! And it’s the Liberal/National Party promoting it!

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/newman-government-introduces-bill-to-place-onus-on-lobbyists-to-declare-contacts-rather-than-ministers/story-e6freoof-1226525376208

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  17. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    KS,

    Perhaps it was actually a wail in anguish at him being unable to do so himself, rather than an accusation levelled at Steven Joyce

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  18. Yvette (2,820 comments) says:

    Revealing my ignorance –
    Over on WHALEOIL what does the frequent use of ‘Ctd’ in post headlines mean?
    Another blog, but one I gather people from here read.

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  19. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Yvette,

    ‘Ctd’ stands for ‘continued’ – a further post related to something he had posted earlier

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  20. Reid (16,454 comments) says:

    Speaking of journos, someone working at the Chinese Communist Party newspaper may get a nasty surprise sometime later today…

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/8007313/China-falls-for-Onion-joke-about-dictator

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  21. Pete George (23,562 comments) says:

    A claim that The Standard is outperforming the Press Gallery:

    The Press Gallery are accorded by convention special privileges, protections and access us ordinary bloggers don’t have, yet increasingly it’s obvious that as a whole we’re doing the better job.

    And they suggest…

    No political journalist should be allowed to serve more than six years sequentially AND 33% of their total career in the Parliamentary Press Gallery. Any longer than this and you become embedded in the system, you become part of the story rather than a recorder of it.

    If that rule was applied at The Standard then lprent, Redlogix and a few others would be well in retirement.

    Confused double standards abound. Redlogix – not!

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  22. RF (1,398 comments) says:

    Just to keep the AB / Hore saga going.. its a pity the AB coaches or even Hore etc have not made a statement showing some regret for the unfortunate incident. Not an admission of guilt but clearly something happened. This will be sorted tomorrow.

    The silence does not reflect well on the AB camp as all it is doing is firing up the opposition.

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  23. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    RF, be a bit silly for Hansen to comment before the hearing.

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  24. Pete George (23,562 comments) says:

    RF – I agree. It’s obvious Hore did something badly wrong, impossible to deny that.

    They could acknowledge that and still contest the charge on intent – ie he may claim he didn’t mean to hit, or hit like that. Or try to reduce the penalty due to a good record.

    But it’s clear Hore was at least reckless, and that it impacts on the integrity of the All Blacks. And that silence aggravates things.

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  25. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Everything you ever wanted to know about the 9/11 conspiracy theory in under 5 minutes.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgrunnLcG9Q

    TRANSCRIPT: On the morning of September 11, 2001, 19 men armed with boxcutters directed by a man on dialysis in a cave fortress halfway around the world using a satellite phone and a laptop directed the most sophisticated penetration of the most heavily-defended airspace in the world, overpowering the passengers and the military combat-trained pilots on 4 commercial aircraft before flying those planes wildly off course for over an hour without being molested by a single fighter interceptor.

    These 19 hijackers, devout religious fundamentalists who liked to drink alcohol, snort cocaine, and live with pink-haired strippers, managed to knock down 3 buildings with 2 planes in New York, while in Washington a pilot who couldn’t handle a single engine Cessna was able to fly a 757 in an 8,000 foot descending 270 degree corskscrew turn to come exactly level with the ground, hitting the Pentagon in the budget analyst office where DoD staffers were working on the mystery of the 2.3 trillion dollars that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had announced “missing” from the Pentagon’s coffers in a press conference the day before, on September 10, 2001.

    Luckily, the news anchors knew who did it within minutes, the pundits knew within hours, the Administration knew within the day, and the evidence literally fell into the FBI’s lap. But for some reason a bunch of crazy conspiracy theorists demanded an investigation into the greatest attack on American soil in history.

    The investigation was delayed, underfunded, set up to fail, a conflict of interest and a cover up from start to finish. It was based on testimony extracted through torture, the records of which were destroyed. It failed to mention the existence of WTC7, Able Danger, Ptech, Sibel Edmonds, OBL and the CIA, and the drills of hijacked aircraft being flown into buildings that were being simulated at the precise same time that those events were actually happening. It was lied to by the Pentagon, the CIA, the Bush Administration and as for Bush and Cheney…well, no one knows what they told it because they testified in secret, off the record, not under oath and behind closed doors. It didn’t bother to look at who funded the attacks because that question is of “little practical significance“. Still, the 9/11 Commission did brilliantly, answering all of the questions the public had (except most of the victims’ family members’ questions) and pinned blame on all the people responsible (although no one so much as lost their job), determining the attacks were “a failure of imagination” because “I don’t think anyone could envision flying airplanes into buildings ” except the Pentagon and FEMA and NORAD and the NRO.

    The DIA destroyed 2.5 TB of data on Able Danger, but that’s OK because it probably wasn’t important.

    The SEC destroyed their records on the investigation into the insider trading before the attacks, but that’s OK because destroying the records of the largest investigation in SEC history is just part of routine record keeping.

    NIST has classified the data that they used for their model of WTC7′s collapse, but that’s OK because knowing how they made their model of that collapse would “jeopardize public safety“.

    The FBI has argued that all material related to their investigation of 9/11 should be kept secret from the public, but that’s OK because the FBI probably has nothing to hide.

    This man never existed, nor is anything he had to say worthy of your attention, and if you say otherwise you are a paranoid conspiracy theorist and deserve to be shunned by all of humanity. Likewise him, him, him, and her. (and her and her and him).

    Osama Bin Laden lived in a cave fortress in the hills of Afghanistan, but somehow got away. Then he was hiding out in Tora Bora but somehow got away. Then he lived in Abottabad for years, taunting the most comprehensive intelligence dragnet employing the most sophisticated technology in the history of the world for 10 years, releasing video after video with complete impunity (and getting younger and younger as he did so), before finally being found in a daring SEAL team raid which wasn’t recorded on video, in which he didn’t resist or use his wife as a human shield, and in which these crack special forces operatives panicked and killed this unarmed man, supposedly the best source of intelligence about those dastardly terrorists on the planet. Then they dumped his body in the ocean before telling anyone about it. Then a couple dozen of that team’s members died in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan.

    This is the story of 9/11, brought to you by the media which told you the hard truths about JFK and incubator babies and mobile production facilities and the rescue of Jessica Lynch.

    If you have any questions about this story…you are a batshit, paranoid, tinfoil, dog-abusing baby-hater and will be reviled by everyone. If you love your country and/or freedom, happiness, rainbows, rock and roll, puppy dogs, apple pie and your grandma, you will never ever express doubts about any part of this story to anyone. Ever.

    This has been a public service announcement by: the Friends of the FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA, SEC, MSM, White House, NIST, and the 9/11 Commission. Because Ignorance is Strength.

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  26. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    a recent speech at an event for the European Forum For New Ideas, former U.S. National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski expressed that “populist activism” and the “resistance” movement were hindering the globalist march towards a new world order.

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  27. RF (1,398 comments) says:

    Colville. 10.28am

    Disagree. A simple sorry – we will look into it, would have defused it. As I said before thats not an admission of guilt – just doing the right thing..

    How many times have you seen sportsmanship on the field where the “offender” has come up to the victim to see if hes OK. There was a guy out cold face down in the dirt but no obvious concern from Hore. I know Hansen is a boof head but thought that the others were better.

    If it had been McCaw down and out – Our SAS would have been deployed.

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  28. Colville (2,268 comments) says:

    RF, I think time and place for a statement from Hore is after hearing. “sorry for that what I did and harm I caused, I am taking this (long ban) on the chin.”

    I believe Hore meant to give him a twack but not lay him out, he deserved a twack but not hospital.

    Well they have certianly tried to lay McCaw out havent they? and Higgenbottom doesnt even regret it. Greyling got 3 (?) weeks.

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  29. Reid (16,454 comments) says:

    hinamanu I advise you to give it up, because as I said a few days ago everyone who wants to know about 911, the Fed and all the other things you seem to think are “news,” has already familiarised themselves with them. Those who don’t want to know are, apparently, quite happy to live in profound and utter ignorance about how the world really does in fact work.

    I suspect this may frustrate you, as it used to for me. How can people be and willingly remain so profoundly blind on such important, nay critical, topics, I used to wonder to myself. The answer is that they don’t do it on purpose, there is a psychological mechanism called cognitive dissonance at play here which is purposely and masterfully used by the people who commit these acts to manipulate the public into behaving like blind and particularly stupid sheep. And the public don’t even know they are being played like a violin, all the time. Consequently they are quite happy to dwell in ignorance indeed they get all emotive and hysterical at suggestions such as you make, to pull themselves out of it. This is the cognitive dissonance mechanism playing out before your very eyes, when people make derisory and ignorant remarks as to the veracity of the material. It doesn’t matter how well the material is laid out, whether it’s a 3 hour long doco or a 5 min overview replete with clear and present facts and evidence. None of this is acceptable to the ignorant and particularly stupid sheep because their ignorance is based on emotion and ego. All of us, every single human being has a frame of reference as to how their worlds work. This is what you’re coming up against, when you post this material. You’re effectively telling them their whole worldview is wrong, and the more intelligent the person, the less acceptable this suggestion is to them, because intelligent people know (or think) they are intelligent and therefore, how could they possibly not understand how the world works. All their friends and everyone they know all think the same thing as they do, therefore how could they possibli be wrong? This is what runs through their minds when they read suggestions like the ones you post. And this general tendency is exacerbated when the person who is reading it is a political animal as well. Because politicos, which includes all of us, pride themselves on being especially astute in this area, which is why you get a much more vehement reaction here, than you would if you posted the same material on say, the Herald’s website.

    As I say this used to frustrate me until I realised that the only possible way this can be overcome is when people come to the material themselves when they’re in a frame of mind to look at it seriously and this doesn’t happen very often. It takes a major political event, to prompt someone to start on this journey, and what happens on a regular basis such as developments in the Iran field or Syria or Israel, don’t constitute such an event. The next 911 we have, which my prediction is will be a dirty nuke in some US mid-west city, may or may not prompt some to embark on this journey, but nothing else will.

    It’s a shame, but there we have it. I get the sense BTW you’re starting out on this journey which I’ve been on for over a decade now. For your own edification you should look into the mind control techniques the US got out of some of the scientists, including Mengele, in Operation PaperClip. Most of the sheep hallucinate that Mengel’s experiments with twins etc were just pure sadism for no purpose, they have failed to realise, because no one has told them, that they were designed to understand how to turn human beings into pure decompartmentalised mind controlled slaves. The MK Ultra program which some sheep hallucinate has been closed down because the CIA has told them it has been, was and is based on Mengele’s research. Two very good resources for this are:
    http://intheknow7.wordpress.com/ and
    http://mindcontrolblackassassins.com/

    You should also look into the alien field. Again most of the sheep hallucinate this couldn’t be because surely someone somewhere would have talked by now. What the sheep fail to appreciate is that people who have been involved in this field have in fact talked about it and some of them have been killed or had family members killed, as a result of their revelations. The Project Camelot site which I gave over the weekend is a very good resource for this and the Pete Peterson interview is a very good example of what goes on, that we are never told about. After that interview he refused to say anymore and his wife was killed.

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  30. Manolo (13,768 comments) says:

    Shame on Gillard’s government: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/backbench-revolt-forces-pm-to-drop-israel-support-20121127-2a61d.html

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  31. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    RF- This excellent article pretty much sums the situation up.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/our-experts/8005843/Hansens-silence-says-a-lot-about-NZ-rugby

    I’m actually more disgusted with Hansen’s arrogant ‘it’s a media beat-up’ claims than I am with boofhead Hore himself…

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  32. Manolo (13,768 comments) says:

    Bob Jones on housing:
    I’m picking we’re about one generation away from protesters marching in the street with placards proclaiming it’s a natural human right for annual luxury world cruises for everyone, just as they do now about housing.

    I probably shouldn’t mention that for when John Minto reads this – and I’m reliably informed he’s an avid fan of this column and secretly supportive of my varying assertions on this and that – in line with his general progressive outlook, he’ll be out pronto with his megaphone and rag-tail mob demanding precisely such cruises. And fair enough, too.

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  33. flipper (4,060 comments) says:

    Keeping Stock….

    On the specious water ownership/rights claim…you missed just one point.

    The antics of Cull and Gheiringer[sic] (related to late Erich, per chance? ) show how sernsible J.Kery was to decline tyo cover Maori legal cistsd oin this challenge,

    It is essential that the Government does NOT back down on that refusal.

    Ron Young is a perceptive, hard nosed and fair judge. Early days, but I would not be placing any money on a “maori” win.

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  34. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Reid,

    Are you able to provide us all with a critique on Suppressed Inventions by Jonathan Eisen?

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  35. kowtow (8,470 comments) says:

    You couldn’t make this stuff up.
    First PETA and now ZETA. The animal fucker says morality has no plce in law,well I beg to differ.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2238608/Germany-expected-bring-old-law-prevents-sex-animals.html

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  36. lastmanstanding (1,297 comments) says:

    Just on Shearers housing policy If my math is correct there would need to be 27 houses COMPLETED every day that 7 days a week for 10 years to get to 100,000 houses. Given a house takes say 12/15 weeks to complete that would require 108 houses in progress at any one time.
    I wonder how many houses are in progress at any one time at present

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  37. kowtow (8,470 comments) says:

    Manolo

    Gillard, Israel and Muslim immigration.

    Labour are shit scared of losing seats due to the Muslim demographic,isn’t immigration wonderful?

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/gillard_rolled_and_hamas_will_celebrate/

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  38. flipper (4,060 comments) says:

    Longknives et al……
    I understand where you are coming from, but I have a few problems with Reason , not least his family connection to the infamous John Reason.
    But some other points should be made and noted:

    • The British media have always rounded upon the All Blacks for any “perceived” misdemeanour.
    • That same media has studiously ignored British, Australian and South African thuggery as some folk have named it, such as, for example but not limited to, Martin Johnson’s off the ball king hit on Justin Marshall.
    • There are usually two causes of on field “thuggery” – retaliation and cheating by the aggrieved party. There were numerous examples of this from Welsh on Sunday morning – examples that went “unpunished” by the ABs.
    • It is clear that the Welsh player was running interference on the ABs and intent on entering the ruck from the wrong side. That does not excuse the swinging arm- head high tackle (please do not insult me by saying it was a punch). Hore would have spent 10 minutes in the bin had he been seen, but even then, the hypocritical, twits like Reason [sic] and Rattue would continue to bleat.
    • The ABs management are not unaware of the media bias in the UK. They also have a process to follow under IRB rules.
    • And before the wussies jump up and down, just think about McCaw (Cooper, Cooper, Greyling, Higginbottom et al).
    • Above all, think about Rougerie’s attempt to blind McCaw during the RWC final. Rougerie even escaped a citing because of the “rules”.

    :)

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  39. kowtow (8,470 comments) says:

    Sorry to go back to the sicko animal story,here’s the Speigel take on it. Apparently it’s been legal in germany since 1969,who would have legalised that?
    It’s legal in Denmark!
    I looked up “zoophilia” in my 2006 Oxford and it’s not there.Animal fucking has always been “bestiality” and a crime. Is “zoophilia”an attempt to make the practise respectable?

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/germany-plans-to-outlaw-sex-with-animals-a-869402.html

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  40. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    fcuk Im so over this hobbit shite…

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  41. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    “He said sex with pets wasn’t demeaning to the animals, and that they make it evident if they’re not interested.”

    Bawhahah! Im sure they do ! You can imagine it ” not tonight woof..Ive got a headache woof woof “.

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  42. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    Trouble is Reid, Hinamanu etc;
    Whenever I have looked into these conspiracy theories (over many years) it inevitably comes down to uneducated or discredited persons opinion that a conspiracy exists against world leading experts who say the accusers facts are not just wrong but woefully ignorant.

    The saddest thing is the experts are then ad hominem attacked, abused and sometimes their lives are threatened. So I come to the generalization the conspiracy theorists are nutters.

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  43. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    kowtow

    Does the Vatican have a policy on bestiality?

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  44. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    kowtow (3,249) Says:
    November 28th, 2012 at 12:06 pm

    Manolo

    Gillard, Israel and Muslim immigration.

    Labour are shit scared of losing seats due to the Muslim demographic,isn’t immigration wonderful?

    Yes, it is, I agree wholeheartedly.

    I liked the bit in the article by slimeball racist Bolt about how a vote in favour of a Palestine state would act to isolate the US and Israel – in fact, just look at the voting records and one can see that the US and Israel do that all by themselves!

    So brave, ex-colonial Australia will again gang up with the arch-colonialists, US, Canada, Australia (only abstaining, I know, pathetic), (and New Zealand?) to continue to perpetuate the sin of colonialism that DPF insists exists only in history.

    It’s going to be a proud day at the UN for those nations!

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  45. kowtow (8,470 comments) says:

    nasska

    Twould be a sin .

    But I’m no expert on matters theological or legal. Look up “catechism” .

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  46. hinamanu (2,352 comments) says:

    Just found out about the search engine ‘start page’

    blocks google and spy search tracking of your IP

    Much like Scroogle which has been taken down and which libraries will not let you access

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  47. thedavincimode (6,759 comments) says:

    nasska

    Yes it does. As per boy bothering the policy is don’t get caught.

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  48. calendar girl (1,232 comments) says:

    flipper @ 12:15 – A well-reasoned comment (sorry about the awful pun). I support your view of the matter. Hore was clearly at fault, but we are being subjected to sustained faux outrage from certain English rugby media, indicative of an attempt to influence the judiciary. Mark Reason (and his father before him) are past masters at it.

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  49. Pete George (23,562 comments) says:

    Those who aren’t totally engrossed in the strange stuff going on in Wellington might be interested in this:

    Seas rising faster than expected; low areas threatened

    Sea levels are rising 60 percent faster than U.N. projections, threatening low-lying areas from Miami to the Maldives, a new study says.

    The report, issued during U.N. talks in Qatar on combating climate change, also said temperatures were creeping higher in line with U.N. scenarios, rejecting hopes the rate had been exaggerated.

    “Global warming has not slowed down, (nor is it) lagging behind the projections,” said Stefan Rahmstorf, lead author at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research that compared U.N. projections to what has actually happened from the early 1990s to 2011.

    The study said sea levels had been rising by 3.2mm a year according to satellite data, 60 percent faster than the 2mm annaul rise projected by the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) over that period.

    “This suggests that IPCC sea-level projections for the future may also be biased low,” the authors from Germany, France and the United States wrote in the journal Environmental Research Letters.

    http://www.odt.co.nz/news/world/236931/seas-rising-faster-expected-low-areas-threatened

    No worries, I live at 100 metres above sea level.

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  50. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    Good that you were on the spot to help us out Davinci. When ‘kowtow’ abdicated the Catholic portfolio of knowledge he left us all hanging & nervous that a spot of sheep shagging could see otherwise worthy Catholics stalled at St Peter’s gates.

    After wading into Ref: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/index/a.htm I was a little disturbed that there was no mention of ‘bestiality’ nor ‘zoophilia’. Indeed the only catechism that seems to throw any light on the subject states:

    2457 Animals are entrusted to man’s stewardship; he must show them kindness. They may be used to serve the just satisfaction of man’s needs

    Depending on how hard up the faithful are for a root the “satisfaction of man’s needs” may give them a little wriggle room.

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  51. kowtow (8,470 comments) says:

    nasska you really are a tedious bore.

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  52. Reid (16,454 comments) says:

    Are you able to provide us all with a critique on Suppressed Inventions by Jonathan Eisen?

    No sorry bhudson, not something I’ve deeply looked into but there are many youtubes of water powered cars. I’m a big Tesla fan myself and some of the stuff he was doing was absolutely amazing. The conjecture is that HAARP is a weaponised offshoot of some of his discoveries. His car, powered entirely by zero-point energy, sits in a museum.

    Whenever I have looked into these conspiracy theories (over many years) it inevitably comes down to uneducated or discredited persons opinion that a conspiracy exists against world leading experts who say the accusers facts are not just wrong but woefully ignorant.

    Bear in mind that world leading experts might have a vested interest in saying that Lance. This is precisely how they got AGW off the ground. Funded research that “proved” it and refused to fund studies that disproved it which has resulted in many many totally honest and genuine people including scientists, being garden-pathed. I agree in the field there are a lot of kooks and idiots but some of them are put there deliberately. Straw men. Setup a ridiculous proposition, proceed to knock it down. Pretend that has addressed the issue. Even some of the best known ones like Alex Jones and David Ike are claimed to be disinformation agents. I don’t know because I don’t source any of their stuff, but that is what is claimed.

    It’s almost like there’s a threshold, like a Rubicon which the mind has to cross before this starts to fall into place. I looked at 911 every night for months and months before finally, one night I had the epiphany that, despite what I knew, it may in fact actually be true. Not necessarily, but just possible it might be. But until then my mindset was exactly the same as most of yours.

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  53. Pete George (23,562 comments) says:

    Latest Roy Morgan poll:

    National Party to 45% (down 0.5%)
    Maori Party 1% (down 1%)
    ACT NZ 0.5% (unchanged)
    United Future 0.5% (unchanged)

    Labour is 31.5% (down 1%)
    Greens are 13.5% (up 3%)
    New Zealand First 6.5% (up 1.5 %)
    Mana Party 0% (down 1%)
    Conservative Party of NZ 1.5% (unchanged)
    Others 0% (down 1%).

    Doesn’t mean much. Shearer hasn’t demolished Labour, they ease a bit more than National but within the margin for error.

    Greens and NZF up.

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  54. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    His car, powered entirely by zero-point energy, sits in a museum.

    Brilliant.

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  55. RF (1,398 comments) says:

    Wellington has turned on the good weather. Now waiting for the celebs to arrive. It’s going to be interesting to see how the 3 Hobbit Haters from Labour get received by the masses who are pro Peter Jackson. We are on the world stage so now watch the rent a mob protestors fuck up our image. What was Comrade Clark’s expression.. The haters and traitors.

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  56. Manolo (13,768 comments) says:

    When will the bastard go? http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/11/27/hugo-chavez-headed-back-to-cuba-for-medical-treatment/

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  57. Pete George (23,562 comments) says:

    Haters and wreckers – see a bit of Kiwiblog history:
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2004/05/haters_and_wreckers.html

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  58. Manolo (13,768 comments) says:

    Callow (and gullible) youth. http://www.people-press.org/2012/11/26/young-voters-supported-obama-less-but-may-have-mattered-more/

    In NZ many of them are easy prey for the Luddites.

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  59. RF (1,398 comments) says:

    PG. Thank you.. Haters & Wreckers. I stand corrected. What charming people who frequent the left – Goblins, who also hate Hobbits.

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  60. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    A blogger writes in 2004..he sums it up well and nothing appears to have changed…we just dont learn

    “Charles Kuipers Says:

    May 5th, 2004 at 9:05 am
    I don’t normally find myself in agreement with Helen Clark on very much but I really feel her decription of these protesters is pretty much right on. Seems to me to be the same old names popping up at these things all the time.

    I cannot speak for all NZ’ers of course, but I will say this:
    Years ago I felt that in some cases Maori had been dealt with in the past unfairly and that in these cases, they should be recompensed and amends made, if this didn’t create a whole lot of new injustices in the process. I don’t feel that way any longer. For years these people have adjitated, stirred, moaned and threatened violence to get what they want, to the extent that we now have a whole different set of laws and standards applying to Maori. Just try, as a non-Maori to get permission to March across the Auckland harbour bridge, disrupt Wellington traffic or fish protected or undersized species and see where it gets you. We have recently had the case of a Maori group flouting the resource management act and local bylaws by setting up a fish farm up East Cape.

    Every year the demands grow and there is no end to it. We have already had the confiscation of private farm land in NZ to assuage Treaty of Waitangi claimants, something they said would never happen. These people do not want an end to the claims or a ceiling put on the amount to be paid out. That would put a stop to the gravy train.

    Their leaders are arrogant racists, people like Tariana Turia who view all of the rest of NZ as “aliens” to be pushed into the sea. I well remember the Maori leader who, in the late 80′s walked onto a marae and exhorted all Maori to “kill a white”. To my knowledge, she went unpunished for that remark. They want to live in the past, but they want to do it with taxpayer money.

    The foreshore bill actually gives Maori everything they could ask for; the ability to use the beaches and seabed for commercial purposes without the necessity of going through the whole permit process the rest of us have to put up with; and the ability to veto the applications that others make for the same purposes. All they have to say is that they traditionally used that part of the coast line for a certain purpose and they are in. The only thing it does not give them is private title. If they get that, it is only a matter of time before the public are stopped from accessing NZ’s beaches and rivers, or will have to pay for that access.

    The bottom line is that NZ is a borderline third world country with some of the lowest per capita incomes in the developed world. We can no longer afford to pay to molly coddle one particular race in preference to all others living here. It’s divisive, inflammatory and racist. Its apartheid, something that we criticised South Africa roundly for in the 1980′s. It has got to stop.”

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  61. publicwatchdog (2,593 comments) says:

    What’s your view on this one Kiwibloggers?

    28 November 2012

    Open Letter to NZ Prime Minister John Key: “Please confirm that NZ is going to support Palestine becoming a
    UN ‘non-member observer state’

    Dear Prime Minister,

    Please confirm that in line with the following stated position on the NZ Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade (MFAT) website, that New Zealand is going to support the bid by the Palestinian Authority for Palestine to become a UN “non-member observer state” at the UN General Assembly meeting on Thursday 29 November 2012.

    http://www.mfat.govt.nz/Foreign-Relations/Middle-East/2-Arab-Israeli-conflict.php

    Middle East

    Arab – Israeli Conflict: New Zealand Position

    Since the beginning of the Arab – Israeli conflict, New Zealand has sought to approach the issue even-handedly, seeking a solution that provided for a Jewish/Israeli and a Palestinian state on the land of the former British mandate of Palestine. This policy has its origins in our commitment to the 1947 United Nations (UN) partition resolution on Palestine (Jewish state, Arab state, and internationalisation of Jerusalem) and the 1967 UN Security Council (UNSC) resolution on the need for a just settlement and Israel’s withdrawal from occupied territories.

    The policy has been underpinned through contributions to the UN Truce Supervision Organisation (UNTSO) since 1954 and to the Sinai Multinational Force and Observers (MFO) since 1982. We have also core funded the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees (UNRWA).

    New Zealand continues to advocate for a balanced and constructive resolution of interests, based on the need for a lasting two-state settlement in accordance with UNSC resolutions and subsequent agreements between the two parties. We have sought in our statements in the United Nations to draw attention to the rights and responsibilities of both sides. In particular, while constantly advocating the need for a peaceful two-state settlement, New Zealand has expressed strong opposition to ongoing acts of violent resistance against Israel, while underlining Israel’s own responsibility to act lawfully and with restraint.

    New Zealand is prepared to speak out against actions by any party that are likely to have contravened international law. These include rocket attacks by Hamas and/or other Palestinian militant groups against Israel. Equally, we have spoken out against actions by Israel, including the blockade of the Gaza Strip, and expansion of settlements in the Occupied Palestinian Territory.

    This carefully balanced position is consistent with New Zealand’s international reputation for fair-mindedness. It reflects the value we, as a small country, place on the international rule of law.

    Positions New Zealand takes on resolutions within the United Nations reflect this even-handed, balanced and constructive approach. We acknowledge that, ultimately, a lasting two-state settlement is something that will have to be negotiated between the two principle parties. But the UN and its members have a role to play in promoting dialogue to encourage that negotiated settlement. There is also an important role to play by the UN development and humanitarian agencies in addressing the severe humanitarian hardships, and growing health-related problems, among the Palestinian people, especially women and children.

    New Zealand therefore supports UN resolutions that advance the two-state solution, uphold international law, including human rights and humanitarian law, or call for humanitarian assistance. ”

    ___________________________________________________________________________________________

    THIS IS WHAT IS BEING VOTED UPON:

    COMPLETE TEXT OF DRAFT UN RESOLUTION UPGRADING STATUS OF PALESTINE:

    ………………

    http://www.innercitypress.com/palreso1icpga110812.pdf
    http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=58963

    BACKGROUND INFORMATION”

    FURTHER BACKGROUND INFORMATION:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20299149

    http://www.innercitypress.com/palreso1icpga110812.pdf
    ……………………..

    Penny Bright

    Jacquelyne Taylor

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  62. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    Priest’s Retirement Dinner

    A Priest was being honoured at his retirement dinner after 25 years in the parish. A leading local politician and member of the congregation was chosen to make the presentation and to give a little speech at the dinner.

    However, he was delayed, so the Priest decided to say his own few words while they waited:
    ‘I got my first impression of the parish from the first confession I heard here. I thought I had been assigned to a terrible place. The very first person who entered my confessional told me he had stolen a television set and, when questioned by the police, was able to lie his way out of it. He had stolen money from his parents, embezzled from his employer, had an affair with his boss’s wife, taken illegal drugs, and gave VD to his sister. I was appalled. But as the days went on I learned that my people were not all like that and I had, indeed, come to a fine parish full of good and loving people.’…

    Just as the Priest finished his talk, the politician arrived full of apologies at being late. He immediately began to make the presentation and gave his talk:

    ‘I’ll never forget the first day our parish Priest arrived,’ said the politician. ‘In fact, I had the honour of being the first person to go to him for confession.’

    Moral : Never, Never, Never Be Late

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  63. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    My neighbour was working in his yard when he was startled by a late model car that came crashing through his hedge and ended up in his front lawn.
    He rushed to help an elderly lady driver out of the car and sat her down on a lawn chair.

    “My goodness,” he said with excitement, “you appear quite elderly to be driving.”

    “Well, yes, I am,” she replied proudly. “I’ll be 97 next month, and I am now old
    enough that I don’t even need a driver’s license anymore. The last time I went
    to my doctor, he examined me and asked if I had a driver’s license. I told him
    yes and handed it to him. He took scissors out of the drawer, cut the license
    into pieces, and threw them in the wastebasket, saying, ‘You won’t be needing
    this anymore,’

    so I thanked him and left!”

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  64. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    On the animal abuse theme:Kitten held over bong to make it get high.

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  65. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    i see that one of the most disgusting pieces of shit ever spawned in New Zealand, Mark Lundy,
    is to appeal to the Privvy Council against his conviction for murdering his daughter and his wife.

    i predict that the Council will decline to hear his appeal.

    A silly incompetant pathologist worked out the time of death of Lundys wife incorrectly because of his ignorance.

    The Privvy Council will of course grasp this.

    Helen Clark and Margaret Wilson have much to answer for but extinguishing our right to appeal
    matters to arguably the most august judicial body was one of the many egregious fuckups they made.

    And these two ,Clark and Wilson, will go down in history as contenders as the worst politicians in our country, ever.

    As i have suggested before, a treatise will be written one day reflecting on how the sexuality of these two
    influenced the development of our country.

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  66. Viking2 (11,471 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8009827/Third-white-kiwi-for-Pukaha-Mount-Bruce

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  67. Reid (16,454 comments) says:

    I’ve always had disquiet over Lundy bereal. If he didn’t do it, then who did. But how did he drive to the scene and back again in the times the prosecution claims. Do you know the answer to that?

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  68. HB (321 comments) says:

    is anyone here in the know with regards to the proposed strike action by interislander ferry staff?
    – apparently if a deal is not successfully negotiated they start striking for a week from this Saturday. I am booked for Sunday and return Friday. The news article from a few days ago said it should be sorted by tonight but I can’t find any update.

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  69. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    ‘And these two ,Clark and Wilson, will go down in history as contenders as the worst politicians in our country, ever.’
    Sounds like the start of a very long list. Do you mean worst as in worst ever to attain senior roles? Or worst as in useless at politics?
    I’ll play – how about ranking the 12 PMs of the last 75 years in order from ‘best’ to ‘worst’?

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  70. cha (4,017 comments) says:

    Shit!!.

    Detectives who responded to reports of a shooting at a home in Washington state found a floor-to-ceiling stripper pole, 15 marijuana plants and two angry, five-foot alligators guarding them, police said on Tuesday.

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  71. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    One day, a kindergarten teacher said to the class of
    5-year-olds, “I’ll Give $2 to the child who can tell me who
    the most famous man who ever lived was.”

    An Irish boy put his hand up and said, “It was St. Patrick.”

    The teacher said, “Sorry Sean, that’s not correct.”

    Then a Scottish boy put his hand up and said, “It was
    St. Andrew.”

    The teacher replied, “I’m sorry, Jock, that’s not right either.”

    Finally, a Jewish boy raised his hand and said,
    “It was Jesus Christ.”

    The teacher said, “That’s absolutely right, Marvin, come
    up here and I’ll give you the $2.”

    As the teacher was giving Marvin his money, she said,
    “You know, Marvin, since you’re Jewish, I was very
    surprised that you said Jesus Christ.”

    Marvin replied, “Yeah. In my heart I knew it was Moses,
    but business is business.

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  72. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    I just happened upon this epiphany by a well known conservative economist that reminded me of Bernard Hickey’s conversion to the light side:

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/revenge-of-the-reality-based-community/

    Where is my mate Tom Hunter. He really needs to read this!

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  73. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Reid @ 6.44
    i will indulge you because i feel that you are not a bad bloke.

    The time line of how he could have driven from A to B was based on the incompetent evidence
    of an incompetent young, pathologist, who based his time of death on his interpretation of the digestion
    contents of her stomach contents that he observed.

    Where he fucked up is that digestion rate is effected by the ingestion of fluids,

    This loser pathologist failed to factor in that she had ingested a Litre or so of Coke/etc.
    which will slow down digestion and if not taken into account…..well….

    The FBI have pointed out the glaring fuckup that this kid made.

    So, the whole, ‘i couldnt have travelled that distance, in that time defence.” is crap.

    Need something else, ?

    Brain matter was found on Lundys shirt.

    DNA showed it was his wifes.

    This piece of shit Lundy, should never be released.

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  74. Steve (North Shore) (4,561 comments) says:

    Full moon is tonight. Explains everything, fucking nutbars

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  75. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Hope you have a minder with you Steve

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  76. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    I find the brains on Lundy’s shirt rather compelling evidence.
    Unless, of course, you roll with the defence assertion that it was ‘planted’ by those evil,corrupt police…

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  77. Steve (North Shore) (4,561 comments) says:

    Red Blurt is going strong. One post yesterday by Mahuta, none today.
    Labour is strong

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  78. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    “Full moon is tonight. Explains everything, fucking nutbars”

    Who are you talking about Steve? Surely not us- your fellow Kiwibloggers?

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  79. Reid (16,454 comments) says:

    So, the whole, ‘i couldnt have travelled that distance, in that time defence.” is crap.

    Thanks bereal, appreciate that clarification.

    Brains on his shirt eh?

    If I was his counsel I would have run the Crown vs Zombie defence.

    After all, how can a zombie formulate mens rea?

    And this has nothing to do with the full moon discussion above.

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  80. nasska (11,503 comments) says:

    Q. What is the difference between a werewolf and Kath Delahunty?

    A. The werewolf is only covered in hair when there is a full moon.

    [DPF: 20 demerits]

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  81. big bruv (13,888 comments) says:

    Hey bereal.

    Are you ready to admit that your beloved NZ national rugby team are thugs and their coaches are an embarrassment for not speaking out about foul play?

    Or are you like the rest of the one eyed NZ rugby fans and think that what the hooker did was acceptable?

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  82. Steve (North Shore) (4,561 comments) says:

    I have caregivers Mike. Partner, Daughter and Mother. Partner is just getting me another beer, she is great.
    Tell me how this full moon effects you, then maybe don’t

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  83. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Reid @ 8.32

    i used to give you credit that you might have had a brain.
    i wasted my time.

    Moron.

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  84. Reid (16,454 comments) says:

    No seriously bereal, I realise the gravity of what he did and I’m 100% with you, since you clarified.

    How could anyone possibly do what he did, to his own loved ones.

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  85. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Oh shit, DPF,

    nasskas effort @ 8.33 should have rated a merit of 20 points.

    Guess you need a sense of humour to see the joke.

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  86. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    Nasska- That was worth the 20 demerits! Brilliant!

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  87. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    Q.How do you fit Chris Finlayson, Charles Chavel, Chris Carter and Tamati Coffee on a bar stool ?

    A.Turn it upside down.

    [DPF: 20 demerits]

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  88. bereal (3,137 comments) says:

    Hey big bruv,

    is there any rugby team that you support.
    Why ?

    If not, just shut the fuck up.

    Why can’t you take pride in,

    we are the champions ?

    i’m sick of kiwis shitting on their own international champions.

    What would make you proud of your national team ?

    C’mon, what ?

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  89. Longknives (4,744 comments) says:

    “What would make you proud of your national team ?”

    Maybe if Hansen dropped the ‘This is a media beat-up’ bullshit, grew some balls and actually acknowledged that attacking players off the ball isn’t acceptable?
    The arrogant prat is once again relying on the ‘old boys network’ to make this one magically go away (like the O’Driscoll incident)…Yet ironically he is the first to whine ‘There is no place in the game for this’ when someone as much as sneezes in the direction of Saint Richie McCaw!

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  90. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    They all do Longknives. All coaches excuse their own players but are happy for the respective media pundits to whip up frenzies on a whim. Rugby is a violent, barely controlled game.

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  91. Reid (16,454 comments) says:

    Imagine if they did this in NZ.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2239288/Terrifying-TV-prank-sees-participants-stuck-lift-power–ghost-girl-appears.html?ICO=most_read_module

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