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117 Responses to “General Debate 6th November 2012”
Griff- Am I happy or weird for being first? Does anyone else find it annoying that the MSM actually report shit like a throw away comment about a “gay red shirt” for 3 or 4 days like it’s actually news? Also why are people in this country so short sighted that just because they don’t like this Government then everything is their fault and nothing that was done by any previous Government contributes to the problem. A “Pike River” type disaster was at least 20 years in the making and no previous Government did anything to stop it from happening!
Serious enough for a Green MP (Kevin Haigh) to seek air time among his busy schedule running the country and decry this terrible insult to the gay community. Since when did homosexuals own the word gay and its single, unchallengable meaning?
Sorry for the personal attack it was meant 100% in jest
Many times a comment or conversation can be taken offence at especially if its taken out of context or personally
language changes at times along the generational divide. When I communicate with the young guys I know they take GAY as mostly in a non confrontational way ie we throw gay at each others music and taste in clothes with gay abandon
Having been a health and safety delegate I find that the workers are mostly to blame for unsafe conditions. Imp seeks to blame everyone else but and also seeks the government to make it better by transferring wealth from us the tax payer to those who were responsible for the mine safety on the day-to-day operational level. The guys at the coal face as it were
British slang, today meaning uncool, tacky, unfashionable, worthless… or as a softer expletive, in places where one might use “fuck” as in “naff off”, “naff all”, “naffing about”.
Origins of the word are disputed, but it appears to have come from Polari (gay slang), used to dismissively refer to heterosexual people. It was introduced as a less offensive expletive verb (“naff off”) in the ’70s UK television show, Porridge. “Naff off!” was famously used by Princess Anne in 1982.
Naff the naffing naffers.
Ironically: gay slang used to dismissively refer to heterosexual people.
But the expletive version doesn’t fit, “gay the gaying gayers” doesn’t have the same ring to it.
And in fact I am old enough to know that gay meant something else [happy, frivolous etc] before homosexuals took it over – so bugger them now that teenagers [mainly] have taken it to mean yet something else now.
Kevin Haigh should get Max Key to update him.
[Historic note: behind-the-school-bikesheds joke was something like –
At the party everyone felt merry and gay – then Mary and Gaye went home.
Which was pretty gay – latest use]
“Sure, it would be rash to describe Hurricane Sandy as climate change incarnate. But it does make one wonder just how much longer we can ignore the bigger picture.”
“Standard property & casualty insurance companies have largely been prevented from pricing the full cost of climate change into the premiums their customers pay, mostly due to opportunistic short-term competitors and state regulators loath to allow large increases in premiums. Reinsurance companies — those that insure the insurers — have no such restrictions, and are aggressively reducing their climate risk. They are trying to raise rates on insurers with heavy exposure to coastal regions. The risk affects their bottom line and they are pushing insurance premiums up around the world.”
@ Griff given its owner’s political propensities I wouldn’t trust Bloomberg on any “climate change” reporting. The MAIN problem is in fact states preventing insurance companies recovering full premiums from people building on the coastlines or in the middle of tornado country.
Very well written piece from Bob Jones, except for overlooking one tiny fact- That the paper boy clearly did it…
But hey, lets not let facts get in the way of a ‘feel good’ Rubin Carter-type bullshit story. I wonder if Denzel is available for this one??
The same story line has been repeated in the insurance industry’s own publications.Its a good solid argument from the perception of the right to begin to examine what is actually happening from a non ideological standpoint. At present the usa’s political “culture wars” standpoint encapsulate the problem . If it costs more the market itself will begin to factor climate change into coastal and low-lying developement
only if they are allowed to (and its the development not “climate change” which is the problem). In fact, give the regulatory response a number of insurance companies are just getting out of the market. Again, nothing to do with climate change, everything to do with states preventing firms charging the full risk adjusted cost.
I think there will be less on the left if Obama loses simply because the whole Hope n’ Change (TM) crapola has long since evaporated. They’ll vote for him merely to stop the GOP and out of the usual tribal solidarity – but the disappointment goes deep.
As far as I’m concerned I’ve already laid out how little I think of Candidate Squish, but it’s the old least-worst choice. I’ve also long held that Obama would be the lamest lame duck in US Presidential history if he gets reelected – from day one. And I don’t think he would actually care; it’s always been about the campaign race for him. Governing? That’s for the minions.
As far as the race itself is concerned I think it’s going to be quite exciting, as much for what the Internet delivers to our screens now, as for the race itself. Even a decade ago following a US election was little different than decades past: waiting on some TV jerk to wave his hands across some US map showing blue and red. But now I get to see vote totals second-by-second, right down to the damned counties of the states. It gets one about as close as possible to what the campaign teams are watching and tracking. You can lay out measures, i.e. if Romney loses Buck, Chester, Delaware and Montgomery counties in Pennsylvania by less than 400,000 it probably means he wins the state – and so forth. That’s pretty cool and I’m looking forward to it.
Better than watching Loy’s hurricane tracking blog!
The increasing costs in the natural disaster insurance industry are the direct result of the changing climate
This is acknowledged by the reinsurance industry the direct cost of natural disasters is easy to researched if you do not believe bloomsberg.
There is a point were continual denial is no longer tenable even Romney admits climate change is having an effect
Que: The climate is always changing naturally despite the evidence of the man made role in the present changes
As far as the race itself is concerned I think it’s going to be quite exciting…
Having been excited by the last few presidential contests I’m over it. I haven’t taken much interest in this one and don’t really care who loses.
Romna or Obamey, what does it really matter? Either will be both hobbled and coerced by the US system.
I’ve been disappointed by Obama (albeit with low expectations).
I have reservations about Romney, but have a slight preference towards him just because there’s a slight possibility he will make a real difference that I can’t see coming from the incumbent. But voting in new leaders is political roulette, you simply don’t know how they will perform until they are in office.
Dear Puzzled in Eketahuna
sincere apologies for taking your nom de plume in vain. I was trying to think of a suitable throwaway nickname (like Lonely in Seattle) and that was the first thing that popped into my head. Certainly the puzzled bit fits in this case. Shows you have brand recognition tho’
david in downtown
I’m still puzzled tho’ that we are fed the sort of manure that makes the MSM these days and seem to accept it. Perhaps the thing is that we have little recourse to make our feelings heard. We can’t shout them down and the editors and those who write the juvenile scribble that passes for news (or tries to make the news which is even worse) appear to be answerable to no-one and quite anonymous so they never have to stand behind what they say. Bah humbug
Has the herald gone behind a pay wall? Every time I try to access their site I get snap
It could be my software I just had to reboot windows and reload chrome etc. I may have not updated or loaded something that the herald site needs to run
Thanks hmmokrightitis I will start checking java and the other add ons to chrome to find what I am missing
Time for my programmers hat
I like to see as many versions of the news as possible to help sort the spin from the reality.
The status quo or tweaks as recommended by the Electoral Commission are weighted in favour of incumbent larger parties.
Alistair concludes on coat tailing:
We are currently looking at the imminent demise of United and Act. With Winston Peters entering his tobacco accelerated dotage we will be down to three dominant parties (National, Labour and the Greens) with the two Maori-focused parties at the margins. Eliminating coat-tailing will guarantee the Maori focused parties stay at the margins leaving us with a future of only three political parties in an MMP system – ‘FPP with lipstick’.
Even if Winston and NZF survives that leaves National and Labour probably needing either (or both) Greens and NZF to form a coalition, without theoption of alternative arrnagements with small parties.
And on the threshold:
Reducing the threshold to 3% would allow new political forces to emerge with reasonable ease. Keeping coat-tailing will improve the durability of those emerging political forces which are compatible with either of the two main parties, sustaining the new political forces and generating greater stability once they mature, undeniably a virtuous cycle of political stability and diversity.
I agree that a lower threshold will actually improve stability by enabling more small party options for coalitions. And it improves diversity and democratic representation.
Teenagers haven’t changed the meaning of the word “gay” when they use it to mean bad in some way, any more than they’ve changed the meaning of the word “black” when they use it to mean bad in some way or calling a friend a “fag” for canceling on a party or something. Nor are they radically advancing the evolution of language when they refer to each other as “jewing out on a deal”, for example.
Just another reason Key shouldn’t be taking his linguistic cues from kids.
Shearer said no wrongdoing by the former Labour government was identified.
“But we search our souls as well about whether we could have done more.”
Labour had tightened mining regulations in 2003 and reviewed the sector again in 2008 but the incoming National government had not taken up its recommendations, he said.
Labour’s industrial relations spokeswoman Darien Fenton said Wilkinson should step down from Cabinet altogether.
If a Government Minister resigns, why not the Opposition Spokespersons on the same portfolio, as they have failed too, unless substantial Parliament Questions or media statements show reasonable opposition or safeguard action as they are payed to be?
Otherwise what is a fucking Opposition for?
McKellens opinion on anything political is as relevant as that silly cow Malcolms views on politics…or Lawless or Castle-Spews.
They need to stick to ” pretending ” ( I like that ) and leave the politics to those who have a bit of credibility.
The low-hanging fruit of state-driven industrialisation has been picked. Stagnation lies in wait if the country clings to the dirigiste model. “China has reached another turning point in its development path when a second strategic, and no less fundamental, shift is called for,” they said,
“The forces supporting China’s continued rapid progress are gradually fading. The government’s dominance in key sectors, while earlier an advantage, is in the future likely to act as a constraint on creativity.”
Their report said the country risks hitting the sort of “invisible ceiling” that blighted Latin America in the 1960s and 1970s. Remarkably few states have managed to break out of the middle income trap and jump — as Japan, Korea, and now Chile have done — to the vastly higher per capita income levels of the OECD bloc.
China has used up its catch-up cards, reaching the Lewis Point where the flood of cheap labour from the countryside dries up. It faces a “wrenching demographic change” as the old-aged dependency ratio doubles to North European levels within 20 years.
Manufacturing wages have been rising by 16pc a year for a decade, outstripping productivity. The gains from now on must come the hard way — from inventive dynamism. That is nigh impossible in a top-down system where free thinking is suspect, and party bosses channel credit to pet projects.
the hypocrisy of the left pc brigade over this red shirt thing has been hilarious.
first there has been the utterly unironic posting on facebook by all sorts of people along the lines of “dont insult people and call them names – you dick” or “how dare he insult a group of people – all national supporters are dicks” or “dont be so rude – fuck you”.
then you have the obsession with it all. i for one am glad that JK has managed to get the watermelons so incensed that instead of trying to come up with more goofy economically destructive policies, they are focusing on wearing red shirts and taking photos of it.
Then there are the ways they debate:
when you respond to a lefty friends abusive post, calmly and politely pointing out it is common useage amongst teens (and white trash chicks from the hutt), and its just a word, you get:
1. response – claiming you are a troll. apparently disagreeing with someone is trolling.
2. appeal to authority – one of them will make a statement that your comment is wrong and irrelevant. no attempt at counter argument, just deciding that they are better than you so can write off your argument without having to actually debate it.
3. abuse – usually names, or hilariously – “well im offended, so fuck you”. play the man not the ball.
its fascinating to me how many lefties require and crave and echo chamber, and see any disagreement as ‘the enemy’ who must be crushed no matter what.
and when you really boil it down, its just a word, with multiple meanings, that have changed over the years, said on a shit radio show.
these same people are going to explode with even more rage than usual if Romney wins the election (which is about the only reason i kinda hope he wins, just to see the rage in the followers of the messiah).
Grendel – the Green MPs have been playing it up by wearing red shirts today, and on Facebook there’s a Gay Red Shirt day being promoted for Friday which is getting a lot of support. So many people can make light of this – except John Key of course who is banned from saying anything that might be perceived by anyone as offensive.
PG, i saw the green mps, glad they can use taxpayer money so casually.
i do wonder why the people who are so determined to have gay shirt day did not organise tinkerbell day? or is it yet another case of National never being able to do anything the pc brigade dont like and no labour MP can ever do wrong.
…there’s a Gay Red Shirt day being promoted for Friday which is getting a lot of support
Isn’t that just so completely gay. I mean how can it possibly not be completely gay, in every way. If anything is ever going to be completely and utterly gay in every possible use of that word, this is.
I’m pretty sure one of the lefty education wings will join in soon and then the hysteria will commence because it goes against their campaign in schools to stop young people feeling bad about themselves if they’re gay from hearing from others who aren’t gay, how gay everything is, and that to them is a tewwibwy inhuman thing to do, therefore, in their minds, Key hates children.
Like I said a few days ago, the Beckham reporting is a clue and a tell – IMO this gay day is just another spoke in a concerted PR campaign with all the lefty organ grinders working with double monkeys grinding furiously away trying to destroy Key’s halo. It comes on and builds on the back of the “Key looks tired” news cycle meme. It’s a designed and coordinated softening up perception management offensive from the lefties in the leadup to the next election, IMO.
The Pike River report raises the possibility of over-reaction in the area of govt intervention. I just listened to David Smols CEO of MBIE (Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment) on Checkpoint and one of his soundbites was that while the regime which enabled what happened stemmed back to 1992, perhaps the Dept of Labour was too sanguine in expecting compliance in employers.
And now Checkpoint is talking about an employer-wide regime being considered by a “taskforce” going across all industries.
Let’s get real. This was an industry-wide phenomena at worst, company-specific at best. So other industries are generally fine. But I wouldn’t be surprised if govt over-reacts for political reasons, not practical ones.
There are a lot of piss weak, political correct wowsers on this site.
What are these P C tossers going to say when Fat people object to being called fat ?
Old people object to being called geriatrics ? etc, etc.
How will P.C. champions such as Pete George refine his language then ?
Dear Pete George.
my point is that homos wanted to be labelled ‘gay’
they called themselves ‘gay’
now they object to the name they adopted for themselves.
And they sucked in morons such as you to their game.
And still you dance to the tune they play.
So PC. So very, very PC Pete.
Lets be honest and go back to calling them bum bandits or faggots or homos.
remember loads of readers are like Pete George.
That is far too subtle a post for this crew.
Some morons need to have it smacked right into their head.
Even then PG and his ilk will not get the message.
“The Pike River report raises the possibility of over-reaction in the area of govt intervention.”
Another master of understatement.
We are going to be caned over this for decades. You know … Remember those tax cuts we promised, well um, …. We have a small problem of paying the 10,000 extra bureaucrats we need, to sit on their fat arses, and go to international conferences on workplace equity, ensuring work life balance and psychological safety…..
Bereal. I have to agree with you absolutely 100 fucking percent. The world is too fucking politically correct, A spade is a spade and gay is the cardigan your aunty got for you for Christmas.
Gay is a spectrum which makes a good many of us purple or pink or glitter coloured.
@Viking2- ha ha. (snort)
Bereal- I agree with you on this. The Gay community just love shoving ‘Mardi Gras’ and ‘Rainbow Parades’ down our thoats (excuse the pun) where they dress loudly and flamboyantly and the more shocking the better…This is all part of ‘Gay Culture’.
Yet when someone wears a flamboyant and loud shirt and the PM suggests it looks “a bit Gay” they all scream blue murder??
DEAR DIARY – DAY 1
All packed for the cruise ship – all my nicest dresses, swimsuits, short sets. Really, really exciting. Our local Red Hat chapter decided on this ‘all-girls’ trip. It will be my first one, – and I can’t wait!
DEAR DIARY – DAY 2
Entire day at sea. Beautiful. Saw whales and dolphins. Met the Captain today – seems like a very nice man.
DEAR DIARY – DAY 3
At the pool today. Did some shuffleboard, hit golf balls off the deck. Captain invited me to join him at his table for dinner. Felt honoured and had a wonderful time. He is very attractive and attentive.
DEAR DIARY – DAY 4
Won $800 in the ship’s casino. Captain asked me to have dinner with him in his own cabin. Had a scrumptious meal complete with caviar and champagne. He asked me to stay the night, but I declined. Told him I could not be unfaithful to my husband.
DEAR DIARY – DAY 5
Pool again today. Got sunburned, and I went inside to drink at the piano bar, stayed there for rest of day. Saw Captain, bought me several large drinks. Really is quite charming. Again asked me to visit his cabin for the night. Again I declined. He told me, if I did not let him have his way with me, he would sink the ship… I was shocked.
DEAR DIARY – DAY 6
Today I saved 1600 lives. Twice.
Final Projection: Romney 275 electoral votes to Obama 263 electoral votes
The QStarNews projection of the 2012 presidential race sees Mitt Romney being elected the next president of the United States with 50.67 percent of the popular vote and 275 electoral votes to President Obama’s 48.88 percent and 263 electoral votes.
QStarNews predicts the turnout nationally will includes 36.4 percent Democrats, 36.1 Republicans and 27.5 percent independents. QStarNews predicts turnout will rise by about four percent, or a total of about 131,165,384 voters including about 600,000 for third party candidates and the rest going to Romney and Obama.
Methodology: For EACH state, all of the following information was considered: results from the last four elections averaged together, recent political trends in that state (such as Republicans winning control of both houses of the state legislature in 2010 in Maine and New Hampshire), recent trends in demographic makeup that affect the politics of the state (such as the growth of hispanics in Colorado causing the Democratic Party to become more competitive), and the degree to which one or both of the major campaigns are targetting that state, such as both campaigns making Ohio the most important state and campaigning there more than any other state, and any other relevant political factors and data such as public polls from a variety of pollling firms, as well as data from the QStarNews polls of the presidential race. From all of this information a percentage breakdown of each state is calculated between Romney and Obama. This projection is expected to be spot-on accurate for predicting the outcome in all 50 states and the District of Columbia and close to the actual popular vote.
All the projections and prognosticators agree on the other 39 states and the District of Columbia, leaving the disagreements on which candidate is going to win most of the infamous 11 keys swing states, often referred to as “battleground” states by some. QStarNews and UnSkewedPolls.com have conducted three survey of these 11 keys swing states, including the latest one. Those 11 states are Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin.
Among those states that all seem to agree on in projecting, President Obama leads with 201 electoral votes to Mitt Romney having 191 electoral votes. The Real Clear Politics map with toss-up states, shows those states that are clearly consensus who will win those. Below is the anaylsis of how the 11 keys swing states will fall when all the votes are counted, recounted, litigated, reviewed, recanvassed or whatever else might happen.
The value of transactions across Paymark’s network rose 2.7 last month, compared to October last year, and 0.3 per cent on September. Paymark processes about 75 per cent of all electronic payments in New Zealand. Spending in October 2011 was up 3.7 per cent year on year.
———————————————HMM, how to draw dopey conclusions.—————————–
More people have earn’t a litlle more.
Earthquake payouts have hit the bank
Interest rates have lowered for many
So suddenly we are spending large for Xmas in October!
David Legates, PhD, Delaware state climatologist & assoc. professor of climatology, University of Delaware, asks, “Is our climate changing and if so, are humans responsible?” He answers, yes and no. Climate is always changing; and no, humans are not driving the change. Dr. Legates examines current data and finds warming has leveled off in the past 5 years