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National suggest discussions between parties to reach consensus on MMP changes, David Shearer wants to show ‘leadership’ by putting in a Member’s bill (some time in the future) that may or not eventually be drawn.
Turning his back on attempts at consensus make it more likely there will be no (or minimal) changes made. That would be an own goal by Shearer.
As we reported here, here and here, the Democrats have dusted off their 2004 playbook and are trying to steal the election.
It is happening in Philadelphia now.
The Philadelphia GOP reports that court appointed Minority (read Republican) Inspectors are being thrown out of polling locations in several Wards.
These Inspectors are election officials – again, court appointed — and are reportedly being thrown out by the Head Judges of Elections (these Judges are elected Democrats).
According to the Philadelphia GOP, this has occurred at the following locations:
Ward 32, Div 13
Ward 43, Div 14
Ward 56, Div 1
Ward 56, Div 22
Ward 32, Div 28
Ward 32, Div 28
Ward 12, Div 17
Ward 39, Div 1
Ward 24, Div 9
Ward 18, Div 25
Ward 43, Div 14
Ward 29, Div 18
Ward 65, Div 19
Ward 20, Div 1
Ward 6, Div 11
It looks like the Philadelphia Inquirer is on it. At least the paper’s political writer, Tom Fitzgerald, Tweeted about it.
Looks like the GOP managed to stop it –
As we reported earlier this morning, Obama supporters muscled Republican Election Inspectors in Philadelphia, But the GOP fought and won this initial battle to keep the election fair.
In a written statement, Pennsylvania Republican Party Chairman Rob Gleason announced that the Philadelphia Court of Common Pleas issued an order to seat Republican Minority Inspectors in Philadelphia Polling places:
“This was a shameless attempt from the Obama campaign to suppress our legally appointed Republican poll watchers in Philadelphia and they got caught.
We’ve seen these shenanigans before and it’s clear that Democratic operatives and the Obama campaign are desperate; trying to shield Republican Minority Inspectors who are employees of the City of Philadelphia today from monitoring election activities. It certainly raises the question, what are Democrats doing in the polls that they are working so hard to shield folks from monitoring this election?”
Democratic operatives prohibited 75 legally credentialed Republican election workers from accessing polling places in heavily Democratic areas in Philadelphia. Incidents ranged from judges of elections refusing to seat Republican Minority Inspectors and Clerks, to reports of Democratic election operatives announcing that “No Republicans will be allowed in the polling place.”
As a result, the Pennsylvania Republican Party petitioned the Court to issue formal orders to force Democratic judges of elections to seat Republican minority inspectors and clerks. The Court said that they will issue around 6-12 Orders with approximately 6 – 10 names per Order.
It looks like the Romney campaign, with teams of lawyers in every state, is ready for the full range of shenanigans the Democrats might try as they dust off their old 2004 playbook and try everything to keep Obama President. Team Romney just demonstrated they are well prepared and have left nothing to chance.
Oh, and the new Black Panthers are out intimidating voters again, which last time was an open and shut case agasint them, but who were let off by Eric Holder DOJ without reason.
Hamnida – thats because many tories seem to be fuckwits.
Yes – Ive voted for them in the past but we all make mistakes (but I wont make the ultimate mistake and vote for the left).
There seems to be something missing in the tory brain – and thats the realisation that no one benefits if society doesnt have some rules. The free-for-all approach thats been the main stay of the ‘market-rules’ scheme helps those at the top of the pile in the short run – but its bites their arse in the long run. And its as though they never learn this.
oh no! secondary school teachers are upset with john key over the “gay shirt” comment.
that will make JK take note. especially when they have been so supportive of him.
seriously. what the fuck. Dimes not a homophobe. if some dude wants to do another dude, go for it. fill ya boots. couldnt care less. but this gay mafia can get fucked.
@ dime I think we both know that “school teachers” seizing on this “issue” has nothing to do with gay rights and everything to do with teacher (unions) opposition to Key
The President of the PPTA is Robin Duff and he is gay (taught at my High School). I have no problem with him being gay – the problem is he’s allowing his orientation to cloud his judgement by being hypersensitive to use of the word gay. I coach high school rugby boys – the word gay to them mostly means goofy, nerdy or any miscellaneous fashion faux pas.
If we compiled a list of words that should be banned (or only very carefully used) in case they offended someone how many would we get? Here’s a start:
Ham… Ok it appears that based on your betting average I am the one with the gambling problem. I shall seek help. Perhaps a bottle or 2 to drown my sorrows.
It’s common and not new for offense to be taken from the use of words when no offense was intended.
At primary school I had a firend who was a nice amiable guy who happened to be tall and gangly. We called him Goofy because he looked a bit like Goofy – but I don’t think anyone thought he acted goofily.
It was a suprise when his mother came and complained to the school about his nickname.
Having had very ginger hair I was called a lot of things. I just thought it was something that happened amongst kids and I never felt a need to tell my mother about it.
I’m going for Romney. The polls are all a dead-heat – they are polling those who say they have voted and this may or may not be the case; late voters tend to vote against the incumbent.
Is anyone here going to the annual Labour conference? I would be interested to hear from other Labour supporters as to whether or not they feel the line-up is one worth attending for or just rather average:
Labour Leader, David Shearer, outlines his vision for the country and a future of opportunity.
Judy McGregor, retiring Equal Employment Opportunity (EEO) Human Rights Commissioner and Nigel Haworth, Professor of Human Resource Development at Auckland University speaking on Friday night about new challenges and enduring values.
A wide range of stimulating Spark sessions include Lessons from the Obama Campaign, Dangers of Corporatising NZ’s Health System, ‘So you want a Job?’ discussion with Selwyn Pellet and John Walley
Helen Kelly, President of the Council of Trade Unions, speaking about organisational change and the future for unions on Saturday
@RightNow
Sounds like a personal goal. In that case well done.
Alas my sad story is I am on anti-nausea meds following a dangerous infection with nasty collateral damage. The side effect is all alcohol now tastes like shit. Been like this for months.
I look sadly upon my wife drinking our fine collection of Reds while I have to content myself with lollywater
On the bright side going to pub is bloody cheap now.
Lance, not so much a personal goal as an observation. I make my own beer so generally drink some every day, the 10,000 days include my childhood (when I didn’t drink so often).
Sorry to hear about the taste altering drugs though. I make my beer specifically to suit my tastes (hoppy Pilsners at the moment) – would be a personal calamity not to be able to enjoy them.
“Milton Haira, 25, made a brief appearance before being further remanded in custody without plea until next month.
A charge of assault on Fisher was withdrawn and replaced with a more serious charge of wounding with intent to cause grievous bodily harm.
Haira was also charged with assaulting four teenage girls at the party, all 14, and of threatening to kill three members of the group.”
ppfft , another peaceful native..bring back the death penalty for scum like this.
There seems to be something missing in the tory brain – and thats the realisation that no one benefits if society doesnt have some rules. The free-for-all approach thats been the main stay of the ‘market-rules’ scheme helps those at the top of the pile in the short run – but its bites their arse in the long run. And its as though they never learn this.
barry @ 8:47, there seems to be something missing in the lefty brain, and that’s the realisation that no one benefits if society has too many rules. The rules-everywhere big-govt regulatory approach that’s been the main stay of the ‘govt-rules’ scheme helps those in power feel important in the short run – but it bites their arse in the long run when everyone feels the overwhelming weight of their half-arsed, ill thought-out, bureaucratic, inefficient, impractical, over-bearing and expensive to comply with regulatory framework.
This is the issue we have with the lefty approach barry. I mean what about the 70′s stagflation era when Keynes was applied throughout the entire western world and we ended up with stagflation, don’t lefty’s get about what’s wrong with Keynes? WTF don’t those stupid lefties get about that simple reality: that when Keynes was applied globally with big govt owning everything from coalmines to airlines to electrics etc etc etc etc; that it still didn’t fucking work because of a massive framework of bureaucratic rules. Plus the simple human fact of human nature that if you don’t own the enterprise you operate then you have less incentive to make it efficient and successful. We saw the results of that throughout the world in the 70′s and then in the 80′s we changed it and the world hasn’t looked back.
BTW, most lefties like to conflate the 80′s reforms with the GFC. I hope you won’t make that mistake barry because the simple fact is that conservatives argue for the right amount of regulation and in the 70′s we had too much and in the noughties we didn’t have enough. And personally I’ve explained many times how execrable the whole debacle throughout the 90′s-noughties were, since it all started with Clinton and merely continued with Bush but both of them were real bad news.
So that’s the answer barry, the fact you lefties can’t seem to understand these simple plain facts leads many of us to suspect you aren’t really “advanced thinkers” after all.
BOMBSHELL: OBAMA MAY HAVE ORDERED AMBASSADOR STEVENS’ HIT
Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer said tonight that his sources tell him that Obama was one of the people in the room watching the Benghazi attack go down. Col. Shaffer believes it would have taken an order by the president to intervene or not.
The proposed ethnic business hub in the new CHCh is foolish and racist. Members of one group hoping to be involved are already clamouring for ”govt subsidies ” to reopen in the city.. It is this very group who were predominantly the slum landlords in the pre-earthquake city so their track record is not good..Also , the existing Chinatown in Riccarton is filthy..dirt , rubbish and cigarette buts everywhere. The rodent problem in the city has worsened and will continue if all these unhygenic food outlets are put in the same area..
It has to be breach of the human rights Act too..White people have ethnicity but I doubt whether they were included in the recent ”ethnic” business survey.
@ Hamnida
With all that gambling you do (Lotto etc) I am assuming you would distribute winnings to all in NZ as part of your “everyone is equal” mantra?
I go to Riccarton China Town often myself. I miss Smith’s Mitre 10. I haven’t noticed it being dirty. One will have to go to night classes, however so one can converse with the domiciled parents. “Gidday!” “hyrumph!”
‘wonder what is being decided (on our behalf) by the pointy heads at the Massey University immigration Conference? The idea of increasing the population to 10 million is being mooted by the His Holiness (Professsor Paul Spoonely)? He say population increase makes a place better to live and it must be true or the journalist on Q+ A would have queried it.
Hinamanu:If you live in California, vote YES on Prop 37
Make them label their poisons.
Firstly, GE crops aren’t poisons and aren’t even dangerous. You need to stop reading the propaganda. Secondly, the labels won’t do anything and are meaningless.
Meanwhile, in North Dakota, people also get to vote on this:
Farming and Ranching Amendment, Measure 3
Text: “The right of farmers and ranchers to engage in modern farming and ranching practices shall be forever guaranteed in this state. No law shall be enacted which abridges the right of farmers and ranchers to employ agricultural technology, modern livestock production and ranching practices.”
Liabours ajoke..
So you are happy with low standards. You can’t have gone to Chinatown very often if you haven’t even noticed the cigarettes everywhere. If you go to shopping areas further north in CHCH you will find they are immaculate in comparison to China town.
When did it become acceptable to dump cigarettes everywhere?
chiz
While Key denies using those words, he cannot say what the actual words used were, as it was part of a private conversation…What does that remind me of?
Jesus joana, Go to Chinatown and enjoy the great food.
You only see the ciggy butts if you mope around staring at the ground anyway. You have bigger issues than that in Christchurch. Go have a great feed, a few drinks and get laid. It wont seem so bad in the morning
It reminded me of Key’s difficulties with conversations he never meant to be overheard. Perhaps he will learn to keep such chatter to private places. It’s not much of an issue really. If he said something derogatory about Golden Balls; that’s no biggie. No apology necessary. Only Winston’s going to go on and on about it.
OK, I owe a chocolate fish to someone who is going to blow their arse big time.
But I pay my debts. Hamnida, it is on it’s way via DPF. Te Wharehouse credit card with $3 loaded
A woman went to her doctor’s office where she was seen by a young new doctor. After about four minutes in the examination room, the doctor told her she was pregnant. She burst out screaming and ran down the hallway. An older doctor stopped her and asked what the problem was. She told him her story.
After listening, he had her sit down and relax in another room. The doctor marched down the hallway to the first doctor and demanded “What’s the matter with you? Mrs Smith is 59 years old, has four grown children, seven grandchildren and you told her she was pregnant?!?!”
The new doctor continued writing on his clipboard and without looking up said “Does she still have the hiccups?”
why worry about a few ciggy butts, most people have trouble stepping over the ‘dead hookers’, used syringes and the screeds of national front literature on ChCh footpaths.
In fact a few butts actually make the place look half decent.
Today, after school, two year 11 boys walking home after final assembly.
(paraphrasing based on third hand account)
Boy 1 to boy 2 “Why do you twitch?”
Boy 2 to boy 1 “Why are you so fat?”
Boy 1 punches boy 2 in face.
I laugh (when the tale is relayed to me – by another staff member, no students around).
Also know that kids at school are very sensitive about their sexuality, feeling ‘normal’ and included. And I am at a school that has relatively less bullying (not tolerated) and is fairly accepting to all – especially compared to other local high schools.
I have conflicting feelings. On one hand – ribbing is part of life, HTFU. Other hand, words can (and do) hurt worse than stones.
Compassion and empathy are important. But so is resilience.
Kea
Great food in Chinatown??..you have to be joking..I live with a Chinese chef and like me , he will never eat there..Low standards again. And where do you get laid ? on the footpath?
Key denies calling Beckham ‘thick as batshit’. I guess the next few weeks will see a concerted effort by lefties to find someone to attest they heard him say it. My guess is they’ll find a union member who’ll swear they were there and heard him say it. There’ll be calls for Key to resign. Ultimately the union member will be proven to be lying, but no action will be taken against them because they lied for the cause.
Good comment. There is a difference between remarks that drive suicide attempts & those that build a bit of stamina….the problem is making a judgement call as to where the line should be drawn.
As a survivor of a 1960′s church boarding school education I tend to be a fan of the old adage that “what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger”.
You really need to get out more joana. I have eaten in a few places there. The food was good and we did not get sick. No hookers, dead or otherwise. You really need to lift your eyes out of the gutter, stop listening to your snobby Chinese mate, have a drink and get LAID.
You will note my ideas are much more fun than yours
HB, what to you think will happen when kids leave the artificial fantasy world of a school and move into the real world ?
You are preparing them for a society that does not exist, if they are too sheltered. Kids are cruel little shits, but I suspect nature made them that way for a reason.
Only faggots and commies eat tofu joana. I had a pretty good meal at a place there. My Chinese girlfriend, at the time, thought it was pretty good too and she was not easy pleased !
The real world does not work to politically correct rules. You only have limited success socially engineering kids, even in such a rigidly controlled environment watched over by wild eyed shrill socialists (teachers).
About the only thing that does reflect the real world, is the bullying.
don’t want to freak you out but I have only been a teacher a relatively short time.
I had a few jobs before this.
School is actually pretty similar to the rest.
A surge in foreign deposits with the Reserve Bank has sparked claims it may be printing money, in an attempt to take the heat out of the Australian dollar.
Central bank purchases of Australian dollars are seen as one reason for its strength, with up to 23 of the official institutions from around the globe including the currency in their portfolios.
In research published on Wednesday, UBS strategist Gareth Berry said there was “compelling” evidence to suggest the RBA had taken the unusual step of meeting central bank demand in direct off-market transactions, which would dampen the currency’s strength.
A soldier ran up to a nun. Out of
breath he asked, ‘Please, may I hide under your skirt. I’ll explain
later.’
The nun agreed.
A moment later two Military Police ran
up and asked, ‘Sister, have you seen a soldier?’
The nun replied, ‘He went that way.’
After the MPs ran off, the soldier
crawled out from under her skirt and said,
‘I can’t thank you enough Sister. You
see, I don’t want to go to Afghanistan …’
The nun said, ‘I understand completely.’
The soldier added, ‘I hope I’m not
rude, but you have a great pair of legs!’
The nun replied, ‘If you had looked a
little higher, you would have seen a great pair of balls….I don’t
want to go to Afghanistan either.’
hmmm.
the kids I teach tend to be more left wing than me.
You do realise there are thousands of teachers? We are individuals.
Despite the dogma repeated ad nauseum here.
During the wedding reception in the family mansion, the bride’s
Grandfather slipped her five $100 bills which she concealed in
her glove, since he told her to keep it for “mad money”.
By tradition, the couple spent their first night together in the
family’s historic house. The bride’s Grandmother saw her
sneaking down the stairs later that night, and asked where she
was going. “I left my gloves in the library, Grand-MaMa, and it’s
important that I have them.”
“Oh you youngsters !” the Grandmother sighed. “You march
yourself right back upstairs and grab hold of him with your
bare hands, just like I grabbed your Grandfather!”
November 7th, 2012 at 8:09 am
A Complete Guide To The Ponzi Scheme That Is Suburban America
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/suburban-america-ponzi-scheme-case-study-2011-10?op=1#ixzz2BTH98T2u
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 8:16 am
National suggest discussions between parties to reach consensus on MMP changes, David Shearer wants to show ‘leadership’ by putting in a Member’s bill (some time in the future) that may or not eventually be drawn.
Turning his back on attempts at consensus make it more likely there will be no (or minimal) changes made. That would be an own goal by Shearer.
Shearer madness with MMP Member’s bill. -
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 8:17 am
Down with Winston; down with Shearer….hmmm? Bad for us..?
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 8:18 am
@hj
Vote:Very interesting.
I note the bloody property investment hype has returned via adds on the radio.
I know, lets learn nothing!
November 7th, 2012 at 8:36 am
Looks like being a bad day for Torries across the World.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 8:37 am
Looks like Dems up to their old tricks in the U.S
Looks like the GOP managed to stop it –
Oh, and the new Black Panthers are out intimidating voters again, which last time was an open and shut case agasint them, but who were let off by Eric Holder DOJ without reason.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 8:37 am
I pick Romney by 5 to 25 college votes due to smaller Obama vote turn out and independents leaning Romney. What say you? AND why?
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 8:45 am
East Wellington Superhero – Care for a bet on that?
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 8:47 am
Hamnida – thats because many tories seem to be fuckwits.
Yes – Ive voted for them in the past but we all make mistakes (but I wont make the ultimate mistake and vote for the left).
Vote:There seems to be something missing in the tory brain – and thats the realisation that no one benefits if society doesnt have some rules. The free-for-all approach thats been the main stay of the ‘market-rules’ scheme helps those at the top of the pile in the short run – but its bites their arse in the long run. And its as though they never learn this.
November 7th, 2012 at 8:48 am
@ Hamnida. Already have.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 8:52 am
Anyone else notice that Ham bone appears to have a gambling problem. Regular posts wanting to bet on something.
Perhaps we should take up a collection for a one way ticket to anywhere.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 8:54 am
oh no! secondary school teachers are upset with john key over the “gay shirt” comment.
that will make JK take note. especially when they have been so supportive of him.
seriously. what the fuck. Dimes not a homophobe. if some dude wants to do another dude, go for it. fill ya boots. couldnt care less. but this gay mafia can get fucked.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 8:59 am
I have the odd political bet for fun and a $9 Lotto lucky dip each week. Do a Big Wednesday if the jackpot is over $10,000,000.
So probably a moderate better, no gambling problem.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 9:00 am
@ dime I think we both know that “school teachers” seizing on this “issue” has nothing to do with gay rights and everything to do with teacher (unions) opposition to Key
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Dime at 8.54
Vote:Spot on!
Your eloquence is only exceeded by your wisdom.
The succinct manner in which you sum up those dickwits is appreciated.
November 7th, 2012 at 9:04 am
dime
The President of the PPTA is Robin Duff and he is gay (taught at my High School). I have no problem with him being gay – the problem is he’s allowing his orientation to cloud his judgement by being hypersensitive to use of the word gay. I coach high school rugby boys – the word gay to them mostly means goofy, nerdy or any miscellaneous fashion faux pas.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 9:18 am
If we compiled a list of words that should be banned (or only very carefully used) in case they offended someone how many would we get? Here’s a start:
gay
Vote:black
blond
fat
nerd
goofy
ginger
carrot
November 7th, 2012 at 9:19 am
Grist for the mill:
http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2012/11/between-scylla-and-charybdis-pre.html
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 9:23 am
Ham… Ok it appears that based on your betting average I am the one with the gambling problem. I shall seek help. Perhaps a bottle or 2 to drown my sorrows.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 9:24 am
It’s common and not new for offense to be taken from the use of words when no offense was intended.
At primary school I had a firend who was a nice amiable guy who happened to be tall and gangly. We called him Goofy because he looked a bit like Goofy – but I don’t think anyone thought he acted goofily.
It was a suprise when his mother came and complained to the school about his nickname.
Having had very ginger hair I was called a lot of things. I just thought it was something that happened amongst kids and I never felt a need to tell my mother about it.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 9:25 am
I’m going for Romney. The polls are all a dead-heat – they are polling those who say they have voted and this may or may not be the case; late voters tend to vote against the incumbent.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 9:26 am
The Monsanto/Dow criminals have
succeeded in nearly totally colonizing
the US supply of corn, soybeans, beet
sugar and a handful of other key
crops.
Does they mean they’ve won?
No. Far from it.
First of all, they can’t poison you
and your family without your
permission.
Here’s the info you need to
protect yourself.
Video:
http://www.therealfoodchannel.com/page/20864.html
If you live in California, vote YES
on Prop 37
Make them label their poisons.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 9:40 am
Is anyone here going to the annual Labour conference? I would be interested to hear from other Labour supporters as to whether or not they feel the line-up is one worth attending for or just rather average:
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 9:48 am
Chi Hsu:
That sounds average compared to what Sheare has been saying in speeches to date – same old bland and meaningless political claptrap.
If it’s more of the same it will be distinctly below average in terms of vision and opportunity.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 10:22 am
I’ve gone 10,000 days* without drinking alcohol !!!!
*not consecutive.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 10:30 am
So sensitive, so precious, so delicate: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8560384/key-belittles-queer-youth-teachers
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 10:32 am
@RightNow
Sounds like a personal goal. In that case well done.
Alas my sad story is I am on anti-nausea meds following a dangerous infection with nasty collateral damage. The side effect is all alcohol now tastes like shit. Been like this for months.
I look sadly upon my wife drinking our fine collection of Reds while I have to content myself with lollywater
On the bright side going to pub is bloody cheap now.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Lance, not so much a personal goal as an observation. I make my own beer so generally drink some every day, the 10,000 days include my childhood (when I didn’t drink so often).
Sorry to hear about the taste altering drugs though. I make my beer specifically to suit my tastes (hoppy Pilsners at the moment) – would be a personal calamity not to be able to enjoy them.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 11:08 am
I only wish the outrage being applied to the PM calling a shirt gay could be put to incidents like this.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 11:14 am
“Milton Haira, 25, made a brief appearance before being further remanded in custody without plea until next month.
A charge of assault on Fisher was withdrawn and replaced with a more serious charge of wounding with intent to cause grievous bodily harm.
Haira was also charged with assaulting four teenage girls at the party, all 14, and of threatening to kill three members of the group.”
ppfft , another peaceful native..bring back the death penalty for scum like this.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 11:16 am
There seems to be something missing in the tory brain – and thats the realisation that no one benefits if society doesnt have some rules. The free-for-all approach thats been the main stay of the ‘market-rules’ scheme helps those at the top of the pile in the short run – but its bites their arse in the long run. And its as though they never learn this.
barry @ 8:47, there seems to be something missing in the lefty brain, and that’s the realisation that no one benefits if society has too many rules. The rules-everywhere big-govt regulatory approach that’s been the main stay of the ‘govt-rules’ scheme helps those in power feel important in the short run – but it bites their arse in the long run when everyone feels the overwhelming weight of their half-arsed, ill thought-out, bureaucratic, inefficient, impractical, over-bearing and expensive to comply with regulatory framework.
This is the issue we have with the lefty approach barry. I mean what about the 70′s stagflation era when Keynes was applied throughout the entire western world and we ended up with stagflation, don’t lefty’s get about what’s wrong with Keynes? WTF don’t those stupid lefties get about that simple reality: that when Keynes was applied globally with big govt owning everything from coalmines to airlines to electrics etc etc etc etc; that it still didn’t fucking work because of a massive framework of bureaucratic rules. Plus the simple human fact of human nature that if you don’t own the enterprise you operate then you have less incentive to make it efficient and successful. We saw the results of that throughout the world in the 70′s and then in the 80′s we changed it and the world hasn’t looked back.
BTW, most lefties like to conflate the 80′s reforms with the GFC. I hope you won’t make that mistake barry because the simple fact is that conservatives argue for the right amount of regulation and in the 70′s we had too much and in the noughties we didn’t have enough. And personally I’ve explained many times how execrable the whole debacle throughout the 90′s-noughties were, since it all started with Clinton and merely continued with Bush but both of them were real bad news.
So that’s the answer barry, the fact you lefties can’t seem to understand these simple plain facts leads many of us to suspect you aren’t really “advanced thinkers” after all.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 11:18 am
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/7917089/Maori-seek-urgent-spectrum-hearing
More handouts wanted by the stoneagers..greedy mo/fo’s.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 11:25 am
DPF, are you still posting Parliamentary questions, or have you flagged it? There wasn’t a post for yesterday.
[DPF: I have four helpers, who are doing them for me - for which I am grateful. Not sure why there wasn't one yesterday. Should be one today]
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 11:25 am
A current Lieutenant Colonel talks to Alex Jones
BOMBSHELL: OBAMA MAY HAVE ORDERED AMBASSADOR STEVENS’ HIT
Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer said tonight that his sources tell him that Obama was one of the people in the room watching the Benghazi attack go down. Col. Shaffer believes it would have taken an order by the president to intervene or not.
Vote:
November 7th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Well blow me down- I didn’t know that Pre-European Maori had Radio Frequencies!
Vote:What they didn’t teach me in History at school eh?
November 7th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
The proposed ethnic business hub in the new CHCh is foolish and racist. Members of one group hoping to be involved are already clamouring for ”govt subsidies ” to reopen in the city.. It is this very group who were predominantly the slum landlords in the pre-earthquake city so their track record is not good..Also , the existing Chinatown in Riccarton is filthy..dirt , rubbish and cigarette buts everywhere. The rodent problem in the city has worsened and will continue if all these unhygenic food outlets are put in the same area..
Vote:It has to be breach of the human rights Act too..White people have ethnicity but I doubt whether they were included in the recent ”ethnic” business survey.
November 7th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
@ Hamnida
Vote:With all that gambling you do (Lotto etc) I am assuming you would distribute winnings to all in NZ as part of your “everyone is equal” mantra?
November 7th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
I go to Riccarton Chinatown often Joana and find it tidy enough. Why dont you take a brush and shovel with you next time if the place offends you so.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
A peaceful native: A dangerous man who was granted bail yesterday to go to his son’s funeral has gone missing.
Vote:http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/hawkes-bay/7917545/Attacker-missing-after-funeral-bail
November 7th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
‘Two-party system an illusion, both funded from same source’
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November 7th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Here’s a very interesting vid on AQ Khan – what he did, why and when
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November 7th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Watch this before it get taken down,
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=wq_lhlIn1e0
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
I go to Riccarton China Town often myself. I miss Smith’s Mitre 10. I haven’t noticed it being dirty. One will have to go to night classes, however so one can converse with the domiciled parents. “Gidday!” “hyrumph!”
‘wonder what is being decided (on our behalf) by the pointy heads at the Massey University immigration Conference? The idea of increasing the population to 10 million is being mooted by the His Holiness (Professsor Paul Spoonely)? He say population increase makes a place better to live and it must be true or the journalist on Q+ A would have queried it.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Brian Edwards had a dig at David Garrett on The Nation in the weekend. DG emailed a complaint, and BE bites back.
David Garrett writes to me and I respond.
Not sure if BE has all his facts correct, if not DG will put him right.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Viking2
Vote:Thank you for bringing that You Tube piece to my attention.
Those who haven’t seen it; it is compulsive viewing.
November 7th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Peter George
What else would you expect from a geriatric piece of socialist shit like BE?
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
haha! Very good Viking2.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
V2 @ 1.41 pm. I loved that !!!!
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Gay people do not try and convert you -thats Jehovah Witnesses you are thinking of .
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Key denies insulting Beckham.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Hinamanu:If you live in California, vote YES on Prop 37
Make them label their poisons.
Firstly, GE crops aren’t poisons and aren’t even dangerous. You need to stop reading the propaganda. Secondly, the labels won’t do anything and are meaningless.
Meanwhile, in North Dakota, people also get to vote on this:
A pro-GE ballot measure! Excellent.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
A different blogger.
Vote:http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=wq_lhlIn1e0
November 7th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Donald Trump Freaks Out on Twitter After Obama Wins Election
http://mashable.com/2012/11/06/trump-reacts-to-election/
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Liabours ajoke..
Vote:So you are happy with low standards. You can’t have gone to Chinatown very often if you haven’t even noticed the cigarettes everywhere. If you go to shopping areas further north in CHCH you will find they are immaculate in comparison to China town.
When did it become acceptable to dump cigarettes everywhere?
November 7th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Its Chinatown ffs. Few cig butts lying on the ground aint gona kill ya.. If you want sterile clean and boring go to Westfield Riccarton.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
chiz
Vote:While Key denies using those words, he cannot say what the actual words used were, as it was part of a private conversation…What does that remind me of?
November 7th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
mikenmild
…”What does that remind me of?”….
A private conversation?
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Sex education for the children of religious nutters.
Ref: http://imgur.com/gallery/dZZGS
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Now now nasska the consevonutters just lost in the USA don’t you think they are upset enough today?
Proof of intelligent design http://forthesakeofscience.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/intelligent-design.jpg
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Jesus joana, Go to Chinatown and enjoy the great food.
You only see the ciggy butts if you mope around staring at the ground anyway. You have bigger issues than that in Christchurch. Go have a great feed, a few drinks and get laid. It wont seem so bad in the morning
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Careful Griff, or Fletch will post screeds of denialist stuff about the separation between church and state.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
It reminded me of Key’s difficulties with conversations he never meant to be overheard. Perhaps he will learn to keep such chatter to private places. It’s not much of an issue really. If he said something derogatory about Golden Balls; that’s no biggie. No apology necessary. Only Winston’s going to go on and on about it.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
OK, I owe a chocolate fish to someone who is going to blow their arse big time.
Vote:But I pay my debts. Hamnida, it is on it’s way via DPF. Te Wharehouse credit card with $3 loaded
November 7th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
A woman went to her doctor’s office where she was seen by a young new doctor. After about four minutes in the examination room, the doctor told her she was pregnant. She burst out screaming and ran down the hallway. An older doctor stopped her and asked what the problem was. She told him her story.
After listening, he had her sit down and relax in another room. The doctor marched down the hallway to the first doctor and demanded “What’s the matter with you? Mrs Smith is 59 years old, has four grown children, seven grandchildren and you told her she was pregnant?!?!”
The new doctor continued writing on his clipboard and without looking up said “Does she still have the hiccups?”
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
joana
why worry about a few ciggy butts, most people have trouble stepping over the ‘dead hookers’, used syringes and the screeds of national front literature on ChCh footpaths.
In fact a few butts actually make the place look half decent.
You are a racist wee town aren’t you down there?
One of the reasons I loathe the place.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
“One of the reasons I loathe the place.”
heh..just keep sending down your hard earned taxes for our rebuild thanks very much.
Vote:Fool.
November 7th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
the ‘gay’ shirt thing
I can see both sides.
Today, after school, two year 11 boys walking home after final assembly.
(paraphrasing based on third hand account)
Boy 1 to boy 2 “Why do you twitch?”
Boy 2 to boy 1 “Why are you so fat?”
Boy 1 punches boy 2 in face.
I laugh (when the tale is relayed to me – by another staff member, no students around).
Also know that kids at school are very sensitive about their sexuality, feeling ‘normal’ and included. And I am at a school that has relatively less bullying (not tolerated) and is fairly accepting to all – especially compared to other local high schools.
I have conflicting feelings. On one hand – ribbing is part of life, HTFU. Other hand, words can (and do) hurt worse than stones.
Compassion and empathy are important. But so is resilience.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Kea
Vote:Great food in Chinatown??..you have to be joking..I live with a Chinese chef and like me , he will never eat there..Low standards again. And where do you get laid ? on the footpath?
November 7th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
http://inthehouse.co.nz/node/15904
Key denies calling Beckham ‘thick as batshit’. I guess the next few weeks will see a concerted effort by lefties to find someone to attest they heard him say it. My guess is they’ll find a union member who’ll swear they were there and heard him say it. There’ll be calls for Key to resign. Ultimately the union member will be proven to be lying, but no action will be taken against them because they lied for the cause.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
HB
Good comment. There is a difference between remarks that drive suicide attempts & those that build a bit of stamina….the problem is making a judgement call as to where the line should be drawn.
As a survivor of a 1960′s church boarding school education I tend to be a fan of the old adage that “what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger”.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
You really need to get out more joana. I have eaten in a few places there. The food was good and we did not get sick. No hookers, dead or otherwise. You really need to lift your eyes out of the gutter, stop listening to your snobby Chinese mate, have a drink and get LAID.
You will note my ideas are much more fun than yours
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
HB, what to you think will happen when kids leave the artificial fantasy world of a school and move into the real world ?
You are preparing them for a society that does not exist, if they are too sheltered. Kids are cruel little shits, but I suspect nature made them that way for a reason.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Saw this on fb today.
“Of course gays dress well. They didn’t spend all that time in the closet doing nothing.”
lol
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
If you like MSG , soggy tofu and stale vege..You are welcome.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
in what way do you think school does not reflect the society it is placed in?
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Only faggots and commies eat tofu joana. I had a pretty good meal at a place there. My Chinese girlfriend, at the time, thought it was pretty good too and she was not easy pleased !
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
HB, surely you are trying to be funny !
The real world does not work to politically correct rules. You only have limited success socially engineering kids, even in such a rigidly controlled environment watched over by wild eyed shrill socialists (teachers).
About the only thing that does reflect the real world, is the bullying.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
haha.
Vote:not as shrill as some people on here!
November 7th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
don’t want to freak you out but I have only been a teacher a relatively short time.
Vote:I had a few jobs before this.
School is actually pretty similar to the rest.
November 7th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
7:17PM Wednesday Nov 07, 2012
A surge in foreign deposits with the Reserve Bank has sparked claims it may be printing money, in an attempt to take the heat out of the Australian dollar.
Central bank purchases of Australian dollars are seen as one reason for its strength, with up to 23 of the official institutions from around the globe including the currency in their portfolios.
In research published on Wednesday, UBS strategist Gareth Berry said there was “compelling” evidence to suggest the RBA had taken the unusual step of meeting central bank demand in direct off-market transactions, which would dampen the currency’s strength.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/is-rba-printing-money-to-weaken-dollar-20121107-28y2s.html#ixzz2BWVCAABf
http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/is-rba-printing-money-to-weaken-dollar-20121107-28y2s.html
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
I would be more worried about dicks like this
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10845738
and other gang losers
and their influence on the next generation than me.
I want kids to succeed and be happy.
Vote:They have a different agenda.
November 7th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
A soldier ran up to a nun. Out of
Vote:breath he asked, ‘Please, may I hide under your skirt. I’ll explain
later.’
The nun agreed.
A moment later two Military Police ran
up and asked, ‘Sister, have you seen a soldier?’
The nun replied, ‘He went that way.’
After the MPs ran off, the soldier
crawled out from under her skirt and said,
‘I can’t thank you enough Sister. You
see, I don’t want to go to Afghanistan …’
The nun said, ‘I understand completely.’
The soldier added, ‘I hope I’m not
rude, but you have a great pair of legs!’
The nun replied, ‘If you had looked a
little higher, you would have seen a great pair of balls….I don’t
want to go to Afghanistan either.’
November 7th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
hmmm.
Vote:the kids I teach tend to be more left wing than me.
You do realise there are thousands of teachers? We are individuals.
Despite the dogma repeated ad nauseum here.
November 7th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
An old man was asked,
“At your ripe age, what would you prefer to get -Parkinsons or Alzheimer’s?”
The wise one answered,
“Definitely Parkinsons. Better to spill half an ounce of wine than to forget where you keep the bottle!”
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
A couple was Christmas shopping at the mall on Christmas Eve and the mall was packed.
Walking through the mall the surprised wife looked up and noticed her husband was no where
around and she was very upset because they had a lot to do.
She used her cell phone to call her husband because she was so upset, to ask him where he was.
The husband in a calm voice said, honey remember the jewelry store we went into 5 years ago
where you fell in love with that diamond necklace that we could not afford and I told you that
I would get it for you one day.
His wife said crying, yes I remember that jewelry store.
He said, well I’m in the bar next to it.
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
CONFUCIUS DID NOT SAY…
Man who wants pretty nurse, must be patient.
Passionate kiss, like spider web, leads to undoing of fly.
Lady who goes camping must beware of evil intent.
Squirrel who runs up woman’s leg will not find nuts.
Man who leaps off cliff jumps to conclusion.
Man who runs in front of car gets tired, man who runs behind car gets exhausted.
Man who eats many prunes get good run for money.
War does not determine who is right, it determines who is left.
Man who fight with wife all day get no piece at night.
It takes many nails to build a crib but only one screw to fill it.
Man who drives like hell is bound to get there.
Man who stands on toilet is high on pot.
Man who live in glass house should change clothes in basement.
Man who fish in other man’s well often catch crabs.
Finally CONFUCIUS DID SAY. . …
“A lion will not cheat on his wife, but a Tiger Wood!”
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
The wife called me as she’d had a car crash.
“A car forced me off the road into a Kingdom Hall,” she said.
“Did you get any witnesses?” I asked.
“Yes,” she said, “About sixty five fatalities and twelve injured.”
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Blow Dryer Mishap:
A good lesson
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Bob’s wife caught him blow-drying his pecker this morning and asked him what the hell he was doing?
Apparently, “heating up your breakfast” was not the right answer
Vote:November 7th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
During the wedding reception in the family mansion, the bride’s
Grandfather slipped her five $100 bills which she concealed in
her glove, since he told her to keep it for “mad money”.
By tradition, the couple spent their first night together in the
family’s historic house. The bride’s Grandmother saw her
sneaking down the stairs later that night, and asked where she
was going. “I left my gloves in the library, Grand-MaMa, and it’s
important that I have them.”
“Oh you youngsters !” the Grandmother sighed. “You march
Vote:yourself right back upstairs and grab hold of him with your
bare hands, just like I grabbed your Grandfather!”
November 7th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=424057250983380&set=a.294195490636224.85041.292969390758834&type=1&theater
fantastic
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