General Debate 9th November 2012

November 9th, 2012 at 8:00 am by Kokila Patel
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  1. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    http://nowoccupy.blogspot.com/2012/11/a-defibrillator-wont-work-on-stroke.html

    From the Here=ald. A number of stroke deaths in the news lately.

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  2. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9640825/Christians-persecuted-throughout-the-world.html

    Christians – do they get the same support against persecution as other minorities?

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  3. BillODrees (94 comments) says:

    The GFC is now about five years old. Key & English can no longer use it as an excuse for INCREASED levels of unemployment. Imagine how much worse the unemployment figures would be if the recent 100,000 emigrants returned home.
    Key & English have not got a clue between them.
    The sooner Cunliffe takes over as PM the better.

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  4. Manolo (14,161 comments) says:

    Firing: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/11/08/Boeing-Waits-Till-Day-After-Election-To-Announce-Lay-Offs

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  5. Manolo (14,161 comments) says:

    Key & English have not got a clue between them.

    Neither a spine in their bodies.

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  6. RF (1,487 comments) says:

    Bloody hell .. Has the standard gone off line today. The lefties seem to have migrated over here to trot out their “praise” about JK.

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  7. In Vino Veritas (140 comments) says:

    BillODrees, yes the GFC is five years old. And the world is still suffering, in case you haven’t noticed. Clearly you haven’t, else you wouldn’t have made such an ill thought out comment.
    You surely don’t mean “Print Money” Cunliffe? Just remember, socialism is great, until you run out of other peoples money. (see Greece, they’re having a fine time of it after years of Cunliffe-Harawera-Norman type policies)

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  8. Keeping Stock (9,371 comments) says:

    So; why DID Shane Jones grant Bill Liu citizenship when he knew about Police and Immigration NZ investigations, and when the Dept of Internal Affairs has advised him to decline? It just makes no sense that a Minister would make such a rogue decision knowing the potential for fallout, especially just three months before an election.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2012/11/why-did-you-do-it-shane.html

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  9. Elaycee (4,425 comments) says:

    @RF: Leftards are adherents to the doctrine: If you keep telling the same old lies, chant the same old lines and repeat the same old crap day after day, then sooner or later the gullible in society will start to think that maybe (just maybe) its somehow true.

    Lets face it – they have nothing from the dark side to trot out – and only a card carrying member would express support for silent ‘T’…

    Maybe you should offer some sympathy…. :D

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  10. Keeping Stock (9,371 comments) says:

    BillODrees said:

    The sooner Cunliffe takes over as PM the better.

    There are two problems with your proposition Bill. Firstly, Cunliffe is not yet the leader of the Labour Party, and with almost universal loathing of him in Labour’s caucus, isn’t likely to be any time soon. And secondly, Cunliffe has all the electoral appeal of a pork chop in a synagogue; especially when this video is played with some regularity…

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  11. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    When are you Neolibs going to pay your US election bets?

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  12. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    Ham – I prepaid mine on iPredict. Could have been yours but you priced yourself out of the market.

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  13. Viking2 (11,665 comments) says:

    Ah but Key is “surprised” by the unemployment figures!!!!!
    Really
    What fucking world do these people live in. Doesn’t anyone in the beehive read the news?

    Do they ever talk to anyone that isn’t there to create a positive spin on the happenings.

    Key needs to get on his bike and ride around some of the trails and meet real NZer’s filling in their days of unemployment.

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  14. Viking2 (11,665 comments) says:

    Here is a pointer to what we need to be doing.

    Screw the yanks.
    Lets see the Govt. do something favourable for these guys. Our own company.

    Waikato company Pacific Aerospace has signed an agreement with a Russian company to build 37 aircraft in an $88 million groundbreaking deal for New Zealand.

    The deal with Moscow-based AeroProject 751, whose directors have likened the qualities of Pacific Aerospace’s P750 XSTOL aircraft to the legendary Russian assault rifle, the Kalashnikov, will result in New Zealand-made planes being the first certified light aircraft to operate commercially in Russia’s underdeveloped general aviation sector.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/7926060/Aerospace-sells-planes-to-Russia-in-88m-deal

    That makes us 37 to 4 to the yankess planes with potenetial to sell hundreds more.
    That’s the kinda things we want/need.
    Now about tax breaks to the film industry of yankee land.

    What do we have to do to help these guys ramp up their sales there and production in NZ?
    Key will do fuck all except bind them up in red tape with EPMU as his right hand man.

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  15. Viking2 (11,665 comments) says:

    Won’t be noelibs that don’t pay their bills.
    Labourites and socialists are the ones that do that.
    As you are about to learn.

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  16. East Wellington Superhero (1,139 comments) says:

    @ Hamnida

    I’ve paid mine. As V2 says, it’s lefty fuckwits that don’t pay their bills properly. Or get someone else to.

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  17. bhudson (4,741 comments) says:

    The sooner Cunliffe takes over as PM the better.

    Yes, because Cunliffe will borrow lots of money and increase taxes.

    Like that will stimulate the economy. Hasn’t worked in the UK. Hasn’t worked in the US. And the life of legislated largesse has been proven a resounding failure in Greece.

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  18. Monique Watson (1,062 comments) says:

    It’s slognism Hamnida that you are trotting out. Three years ago you cussed us as neo-cons. Whether neo-lib or neo-con we’re just honest people who wanna succeed in life and don’t wanna fork out for welfare-ism whether it’s the corporate or the bludger kind. As opposed for paying taxes for welfare where it’s needed.

    Capiche?

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  19. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    BillODrees

    Key & English have not got a clue between them.

    Hmm. Lots of people say that here but for reasons that no doubt differ from yours. Would you care to explain what precisely they are doing wrong, and how we will increase employment and create wealth when our trading partners are generally more in the shit than us? Or are you just making stuff up?

    Perhaps your answer is to just increase taxes and then spend the money on … well nothing actually, just like the last time around. If that’s the case, why not just have a big party? We could waste it on a three day bender and have just as much to show for it as we had after you pricks pissed taxpayer money up against the wall for 9 years. At least we could all have a good time.
    Seriously, what did you actually achieve with the billions that were wasted. Talk us through on Health for example. What about the train set? ACC?

    But I digress. Precisely why is it that you consider Key and English don’t have a clue?

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  20. Viking2 (11,665 comments) says:

    Thought for the Weekend.

    by Learn to Social… | 09 Nov 12, 8:41am

    Kim Dotcom said unfortunately the Government wants to invest in roads.
    “In 10-15 years more people will work and shop from home. You don’t need Tarmac you need fibre.” He also said that data storage centers require massive amounts of clean electricity which we have, especially if the Aluminium Smelter leaves. Our future as a nation lies on the internet. Anyone who has children can confirm this- you don’t need an expert! Much of what children, adults and oldies want to do these days is internet related.

    Dunedin could have funded the Pacific Cable with the money we have just wasted on a stadium. A cable would have funded the city and guarenteed a massive increase in tech, design, fashion, retail, construction etc etc jobs throughout NZ!
    But that is blindingly obvious. BUT how could we expect our $1,000,000 PA leaders to figure out what anybody with kids could have told them.

    http://www.interest.co.nz/news/61934/unemployment-rate-rises-unexpectedly-3rd-quarter-row-73-september-highest-march-1999-vs-e#comment-714213

    Now before the dickheads go on they should think about this.

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  21. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    BillODrees is silent T in disguise Im picking

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  22. Viking2 (11,665 comments) says:

    DVN

    Try;
    by Stephen L | 08 Nov 12, 9:17pm

    Top Marks to Berl:
    A change of course is urgently required if New Zealand is to avoid yet another damaging recession. Policy targets need to be refocused on resuscitating the export sector, bringing the current account deficit under control and avoiding deflation.

    http://www.interest.co.nz/news/61934/unemployment-rate-rises-unexpectedly-3rd-quarter-row-73-september-highest-march-1999-vs-e#comment-714213

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  23. Viking2 (11,665 comments) says:

    The number of unemployed people who said they had been looking for work for over a year rose by 10,200 on an annual basis, reflecting increases in both male and female long-term unemployment (4,700 and 5,500, respectively), Stats NZ said.

    “The number has been on the rise since June 2008 and is now at 21,100,” Stats NZ said.

    Over the September quarter the seasonally adjusted NEET rate for youth (measuring those aged 15-24 not in employment, education, or training) increased slightly by 0.3 percentage points to 13.4%, Stats NZ said.

    Since the December 2011 quarter the youth NEET rate has been between 13.1% and 13.5%.

    The number of people ‘underemployed’ – those in part-time employment but wanting more work – was 113,300 in the September quarter, the highest since the end of 2009. It was up from 109,500 in the June quarter and 97,500 in the September 2011 quarter, which would have been affected by the Rugby World Cup.

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  24. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    Figures. If so, he’s clearly still collecting the cornflakes card series on economics.

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  25. Manolo (14,161 comments) says:

    Key should spend less time on inanities (Beckham and others) and more on the economic front.
    He appears aloof and detached, letting his political rivals and events set the agenda.

    Where is the PM?

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  26. Viking2 (11,665 comments) says:

    BERL

    Despite our forecast being almost spot on, it gives us no pleasure whatsoever to see the official unemployment rate rise to 7.3%. Actual official unemployment totalled 170,000 in September, up from 151,200 this time last year.

    Adding to the bleakness is the increase in the number of ‘other jobless’ – that is, those without a job, but who do not meet the strict criteria to be classified as ‘officially unemployed’. The number of ‘other jobless’ has risen from 103,100 a year ago to 125,000 now.

    by SK | 08 Nov 12, 11:28am

    Dont worry about these figures – they are just gay – and the statisticians are thick as bat sh1t anyway!
    SK

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  27. Viking2 (11,665 comments) says:

    You can have a lower $ and a rise in inflation or keep getting screwed by the high dollar.

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  28. flipper (4,327 comments) says:

    So BillOdrees…..
    Can you please enlighten us as to what Cunliffe would do differently from Key-English-Joyce – other than more borrowing and spending ?

    And on spending Mr BoD, can you please remind us of the current employment rates in the UK, Europe and the US (the latter uses a vastly different methodology vis a vis NZ), and their respective levels of Governmet/State indebtedness?
    A clue for you, Mr BoD…
    the USA (which accounts for about 25per cent of the world’s total GDP) is currently running a deficit in excess of 40% of its GDP.

    Come one…let’s from you.

    Sane folks might think our current policy mix is well balanced and responsive to all sections of society, might they not?

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  29. bhudson (4,741 comments) says:

    You can have a lower $ and a rise in inflation or keep getting screwed by the high dollar.

    The inflation, and the rising cost of imports – which include general commodities and credit, not just ‘luxury goods’ – is why you get “screwed by the [low] dollar” too V2.

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  30. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    V2

    The bottom line is that core unemployment wouldn’t be a problem in this country if people followed the work. Instead we allow people to live where they want to even if there are jobs elsewhere. Sales people travel for work. Exectives travel for work. But should an unemployed person travel away from home to follow seasonal work? Oh no, we can’t have that now can we. Best import migrant workers for that stuff.

    Its no different from people bludging on WFF and now arguing for income splitting. Will they shift “downmarket” to a cruddier neighbourhood so that they can live within their means. “Oh no, we need to live here for the childrens’ sakes.” Translation: “Yuk, don’t want to live there. Far better that someone else pays us to breed so we can stay here.”

    You’re also ignoring the fact that given we are a safe harbour and speculated currency, it would take a truck load of printing to have any material impact on our exchange rate. You’re forgetting the impact on borrowing costs also, and so off it goes again …

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  31. Manolo (14,161 comments) says:

    Taking us for a ride, and not bad money if you can get it: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8561635/labour-questions-chief-executives-payout

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  32. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    Ok V2 – I’ll bite:

    Kim Dotcom said unfortunately the Government wants to invest in roads.
    “In 10-15 years more people will work and shop from home. You don’t need Tarmac you need fibre.”

    – We’ve got fibre. We have private companies already doing fibre, as well as the government sponsored UFB ‘initiative’
    Prices for fibre will keep reducing once the infrastructure cost is recouped.

    He also said that data storage centers require massive amounts of clean electricity which we have, especially if the Aluminium Smelter leaves.

    – We have data centres, and private companies keep building more (right here in NZ) as the market demands.

    Dunedin could have funded the Pacific Cable with the money we have just wasted on a stadium. A cable would have funded the city and guarenteed a massive increase in tech, design, fashion, retail, construction etc etc jobs throughout NZ!

    – the reason Pacific Fibre didn’t go ahead is that the business case is poor.
    Southern Cross can increase capacity and decrease prices very easily. Wholesale international bandwidth prices were slashed in the last 12 months, just look at the ISP offerings now. I doubt a $400 million investment could be recouped from the NZ market in less than about 20 years.
    As well as that domestic traffic should increase as a percentage of total traffic usage, partly through more local content (e.g. TV on demand) and partly through big content providers putting nodes into NZ (e.g. Akamai)

    So I’d be more wary of such faith in the BFG if I was you. He’s just another publicity whore.

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  33. BillODrees (94 comments) says:

    Thedavinctnode and flipper.

    I support David Cunliffe’s analysis of the world and domestic situation. And his ideas to improve the lot of all kiwis. Have a good read. http://cunliffe.co.nz/category/speeches/

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  34. bhudson (4,741 comments) says:

    BillODrees,

    The road to Hellas is paved with good intentions…

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  35. Viking2 (11,665 comments) says:

    DVM< really you should do some looking around. Unemployment in Auckland 8.9% You know where the powerhouse of the NZ economy is supposed to be.

    Rightnow, you fail in comprehension. and basic reading. KFibre was a bout across the sea. Pacific failed because Key influences like Key were afraid of the yanks and allowed them to put a stop to progress because the system would have used Chinese equipment which the stoupid Yanks think spy on them. now nothing to do with being in competition with their own suppliers and an election just happening.

    Many years ago we could send meat oversea's but we embraced refrigeration and made that work.
    We need to do the same with fibre and hurry up before someone else see's the benefits. Never mind the fucking yanks. They take and take and never pay our bills and really couldn't give shit about NZ other than a place to hide if things get tough.

    We have huge IT resources and some very successful ones. Time to ramp it up.

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  36. krazykiwi (8,040 comments) says:

    Yes, BillODrees is silent T

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  37. Keeping Stock (9,371 comments) says:

    @bhudson (10.18am) – Comment of the Day :D

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  38. bhudson (4,741 comments) says:

    Pacific failed because Key influences like Key were afraid of the yanks and allowed them to put a stop to progress because the system would have used Chinese equipment which the stoupid Yanks think spy on them.

    V2, your understanding of the Pacfiic Fibre failure is seriously flawed.

    It failed because they were unable to attract sufficient investment and committed contracts (sales). Chinese componentry had nothing to do with it – the Huawei noise was UFB, not Pacific Fibre.

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  39. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    ROFL

    “Rightnow, you fail in comprehension. and basic reading. KFibre was a bout across the sea. ”
    KFibre is a dietary supplement. I’m resisting the other shit you’re spouting, but suggest you get some KFibre for it.

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  40. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    odrees

    Unfortunately, credible economists don’t.

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  41. Manolo (14,161 comments) says:

    The road to Hellas is paved with good intentions.

    Very witty and very good.
    This chap bhudson is very clever. Pity his political leanings, though. :D

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  42. krazykiwi (8,040 comments) says:

    Seriously watered down internet filtering proposal in OZ:

    THE federal government has abandoned its long-standing commitment to introduce a national internet filter and will instead ban websites related only to child abuse.

    Following years of debate about trying to censor the internet, the Communications Minister, Stephen Conroy, said the government would no longer proceed with ”mandatory filtering legislation”. It would, however, use powers under the Telecommunications Act to block hundreds of child abuse websites already identified on Interpol’s ”worst of” list.

    It would be easy to nod and say this is a good thing (because kiddy porn is off-the-scale objectionable), but how long before the blocking parameters are widened, and widened and … until freedom of speech is impacted?

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  43. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    V2

    I’m happy to buy into the notion that rational infrastructural projects are useful in terms of providing employment and opportunity for skill enhancement. They are not in toto, one off blips because they generate annuity returns in the form of commercial opportunity and downstream employment from that, plus of course, tax revenue flowing from this.

    I’m not happy to buy into the notion that we should print money in order to reduce our exchange rate because by the time that has started to have any material effect, we will have a more rooted economy than we do now.

    I remain critical of the notion that it is socially and politically acceptable that people can receive a benefit without being required to consider relocating elsewhere. It’s good enough for employed people to travel regularly in the course of work, and to relocate with their employer. It ought to be good enough for unemployed people to do the same. This is a starting point, not an after thought. Sort that and then look at the resdidual core unemployment issue.

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  44. cha (4,132 comments) says:

    Chinese componentry had nothing to do with it

    Perhaps not

    The sticking point with US authorities was that having Chinese investors in the project meant they would likely require the use of Chinese equipment for use in the cable: “Potentially that was the next issue,” Drury said.

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  45. Fletch (6,517 comments) says:

    Interesting…

    Obama lost every State that required a voter photo I.D.

    Remember all those lawsuits by Democrats demanding that any voter identification laws be repealed. Well, now we know why they filed them. They needed to steal the vote in certain key states so that Obama could be reelected.
    Curiously, Obama lost in every state that requires a photo ID to be produced before voting. A list of closely contested state elections with no voter ID, which narrowly went to Obama include: Minnesota (10), Iowa (6), Wisconsin (10), Nevada (6), Colorado (9), New Mexico (5) and Pennsylvania (20). This amounts to a total of 66 electoral votes. When added to Romney’s total of 205 electoral votes, that would give Romney 271 electoral votes, enough votes to win even without Ohio or Florida.

    Romney also likely had the states of Florida and Ohio stolen from him, which don’t require photo IDs. Ohio requires a non-photo ID. Would a library card do? Florida “requests” a photo ID, but doesn’t require it. So what happens if they request a photo ID and the illegal alien Haitian doesn’t have one? Do they just count the vote anyway?

    http://american3rdposition.com/?p=8416

    Check out the map at the above link showing states that require voter I.D and the eventual blue/red states won by each candidate. They look almost exactly like

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  46. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    krazykiwi – did you know DIA already operates a system in NZ to block kiddy porn?
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/03/the_dia_internet_filter.html

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  47. cha (4,132 comments) says:

    Looks like we’re in for four more years of Fletch’s caterwauling too.

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  48. krazykiwi (8,040 comments) says:

    RN – Yup

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  49. bhudson (4,741 comments) says:

    cha,

    “Potentially that was the next issue” is not describing a problem. It is an opinion which, at best, is making further excuses beyond ‘we couldn’t get investors to give us enough money, or sign up enough customers’

    The subject of Chinese components which did raise significant enough concern to warrant wider commentary was UFB-related. Both here and in Australia. It even had Labour and Clare Curran making noises as I recall. But it was on UFB, not Pacific Fibre.

    As for Drury’s contention. I do not place any credence on that as a genuine barrier to deploying a trans-Pacific cable.

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  50. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    China shows how to solve our housing ‘crisis’
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2229829/Landlord-turns-storey-building-55-capsule-room-homes-China.html

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  51. Elaycee (4,425 comments) says:

    krazykiwi:

    Yes, BillODrees is silent T

    Many a true word is spoken in jest….. :P

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  52. BillODrees (94 comments) says:

    Krazykwi.
    Cunliffe is a public figure. He make speeches and writes commentary. He was elected many times over with a very large personal majority. I very much doubt he needs to go anonymously on to web sites to push his barrow.

    Many, many people read his speeches and recommend them to others. Just like I’m doing to you.

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  53. cha (4,132 comments) says:

    Why capsules when we could have cages.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2084971/Hong-Kongs-cage-homes-Tens-thousands-living-6ft-2ft-rabbit-hutches.html

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  54. Colville (2,318 comments) says:

    billodrees..

    so in leftard maths… 12 less 8 is “almost 5″ ?

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  55. bhudson (4,741 comments) says:

    Cha / V2,

    As a follow-up, I found the article and appreciate that it was reported as fact that the US authorities expressed concerns about Chinese equipment on a cable connecting to the US and that Rod Drury claimed that killed the Pacific Fibre deal after they had been unable to find sufficient investment outside of China.

    http://www.interest.co.nz/business/60485/kiwi-pacific-fibre-cable-project-sunk-us-fears-about-chinese-investment-espionage-it-

    I remain skeptical that it was the deal killer as reported. As reported elsewhere (in this case an op ed on Stuff):

    “Much of that commentary is tainted with self-interest dressed up as national interest and emotion dressed up as analysis.”

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/business/7392800/Plug-pulled-on-Pacific-Fibre

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  56. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    Why there’s such a poor case for competition to Southern Cross Cable:
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/27/southerncross_gets_ciena_gear/
    http://www.ciena.com/technology/wavelogic3/coherent-optical-technology/

    In simple terms, a bit of kit in the right places enables quadruple the bandwidth from the existing fibre.

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  57. bhudson (4,741 comments) says:

    A woman who ripped off more than $90,000 in benefits to provide “security” for her family will spend the rest of her life paying it back – from her benefit.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7928286/Mother-stole-benefit-money-to-help-family

    You would really have to hope that the payments are not counted in any assessment for benefit supplements on the grounds of hardship – that really would be a case of the taxpayers paying themselves back the money she stole from them.

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  58. Viking2 (11,665 comments) says:

    Well been around long enough to have seen this sort of thing happen plenty of times before.

    doesn’t alter the fact that the point made by K Dotcom is correct.

    Its about the future as the past was yesterday and today will be yesterday tomorrow. so, we need a game changer and forward thinking and action.
    Its what about 20 years ago I first started to use email and internet. Iphones were not even on the radar and cellphones were bricks. Condense that kind of development to todays technology and apply it to the current technology and look just five years out and imagine the technology jumps that can and will happen. Virtual reality?

    That’s why the Pacific fibre idea needs doing now or we will get stuck, like America, unable to interact satisfactorily with the world. A situation that seems to suit them. America is only one of our partners in the world and becoming less relevant than it was. A situation that will continue to become so. That’s what frightens the Whitehouse as we influence so much of the Pacific.
    A bit like the situation with Britain except they ditched us for the EU. (now how did that go for then?)
    USA will become less important to us and we need to work towards our new customers.

    Consider this. As our population changes with more ethnic Indians and Asians of various Nationalities the film industry in the USA will become less relevant than Bollywood or Chinawood whatever they call themselves.

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  59. Viking2 (11,665 comments) says:

    Rightnow. Maybe maybe not but why should we be hamstrung by one provider? What happens if that tackle already there faults or get attacked?

    Had my little computer go down the other day. ah I hadn’t done a backup. Shit.

    get the drift.

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  60. Viking2 (11,665 comments) says:

    Wonder how Ms Bennetts program is going with the upsurge in the jobless. Guess that’s worked out well.

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  61. Ross12 (1,483 comments) says:

    BillODrees –the fact that the GFC’s initial bit action started 5 years ago does not mean that the effects of it do not still remain. These things often take a long time to filter through to different parts of the economy especially for a place like NZ which ( other than the finance companies) was not “directly hit”. The main banks came through it quite well , BUT the flow on effects from the mess in Europe especially and the USA are affecting us greatly but have taken time to “get here”.
    So it is quite legitimate for the Govt. to say the GFC effects are still present and affecting employment figures.
    BTW –Don’t think it is all over –watch the UK in the next 12-18mths ( and the rest of Europe.) The total UK debt ( public and private ) as a percentage of GDP is not far from what is was in Iceland before it all hit the fan ther.

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  62. Viking2 (11,665 comments) says:

    by Learn to Social… | 09 Nov 12, 10:58am

    It is not just the immediate jobs from being a world data center, it is also the environment that cheap and blindingly fast internet (Why not free?, McDonalds/Starbucks figured out years ago the benefits free wifi brought to their businesses).

    Build data centres in Dunedin or Invercargill or Christchurch. (Think Seattle or Vancouver). That attracts tech startups and established tech businesses.
    Hi tech business demand good environmental standards, organic food, fashion, the arts, universities/polytechs and access to dventue/outdoors activities.
    We have everything in spades,EXCEPT even mediocre internet (our internet is batshit, but not gay)!
    Its a great, simple and INEXPENSIVE proposal to increase employment opportunities for our children and make a more exciting environment for us oldies. It is certainly more positive than a future based on indoor rugby, 20 story whore houses, casinoes, lotsa booze and overseas ownership of our sorry asses.

    http://www.interest.co.nz/news/61951/90-seconds-9-am-us-stocks-down-again-fiscal-cliff-and-greek-fears-after-key-bailout-decis

    Couldn’t agree more.

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  63. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    Cunliffe is a public figure. He make speeches and writes commentary. He was elected many times over with a very large personal majority. I very much doubt he needs to go anonymously on to web sites to push his barrow.

    Many, many people read his speeches and recommend them to others.

    Heh. That settles it. Welcome aboard Cunners :)

    How are things in your part of town [whisper snigger font] ie New Lynn. What happened to the bro’ accent, or do you save that for New Lynn, you know [nudge, nudge, wink, wink, snigger font] your part of town.

    So what will you do with NZ Rail? :) What was left of the billions you pissed up against the wall?

    BTW, if you fish around a bit you’ll find that your grand contribution to the debate, along with your knowledge of economic history, has been roundly dismantled.

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  64. Viking2 (11,665 comments) says:

    Canterbury scientist makes history

    Friday, 9, Nov, 2012 7:23AM

    A Canterbury scientist has made history and had a taste of the royal treatment in doing so.

    The astronomer has just returned from a working visit to the politically isolated state of North Korea.

    Professor John Hearnshaw was the first western astronomer to make the trip and the first western scientist to visit there in more than 60 years.

    He’d love to go back.

    “The North Koreans are very smart people, very friendly, and they know they’re cut off, they want to stop that isolation. And they went overboard to give me a good time.”

    John Hearnshaw suggests New Zealand takes advantage of the fact we’re such a friendly nation, and makes close ties with North Korea.

    http://www.telstraclear.co.nz/news/news-story.cfm?content_id=843953

    One day, in the future we will trade here. Just like we do with China.

    Fast Broadband will do the trick.

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  65. Manolo (14,161 comments) says:

    They kept it quiet for over a week: http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/08/first-on-cnn-iranian-jets-fire-on-u-s-drone/?hpt=hp_t3

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  66. Viking2 (11,665 comments) says:

    And to add to the argument for more fibre. this just out.

    Google launched a service on Thursday it hopes will push millions of people in the developing world to access the Internet – and Google’s ads – via basic mobile phones.

    Google is launching the service, called Free Zone, first in the Philippines via local carrier Globe Telecom. The service allows phones with an Internet connection but limited functionality to access basic Google products like search, email and its social networking service Google+ for free.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/7928229/Google-reaches-out-to-the-next-billion

    “It’s aimed at the next billion users of the Internet, many of whom will be in emerging markets and encounter the Internet first on a mobile phone, without ever owning a PC,” AbdelKarim Mardini, product manager for Google, told Reuters.

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  67. Redbaiter (10,361 comments) says:

    “Imagine how much worse the unemployment figures would be if the recent 100,000 emigrants returned home.”

    Well, that’s just it isn’t it?

    With all the wealth generators choosing to seek better climes what remains but turgid takers and their multitudinous offspring. No way will the economy improve when anyone with the brains and balls to generate wealth is driven offshore, or else decides to do fuck all because they’re sick of being sponged off by a nation of freeloaders.

    Obama’s re-election shows that a poll tax is imperative.

    Anyone with any true regard for democracy has to support the concept.

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  68. RRM (10,097 comments) says:

    Anyone with any true regard for democracy has to support the concept.

    Remember when you used to attack anyone on these boards who you thought was professing to speak for others besides themselves?

    It’s funny how the seasons change isn’t it?

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  69. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    V2, seriously, you can already get as much bandwidth as you want, for as much as it costs. The problem is people seem to want it to be paid for by somebody else.

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  70. Viking2 (11,665 comments) says:

    rightnow.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/7928229/Google-reaches-out-to-the-next-billion

    It ain’t “free” yet but advertizers will pay the deal.

    It is not just the immediate jobs from being a world data center, it is also the environment that cheap and blindingly fast internet (Why not free?, McDonalds/Starbucks figured out years ago the benefits free wifi brought to their businesses).

    As do most accomodation providers these days.

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  71. Redbaiter (10,361 comments) says:

    Knowing how to defeat the Democrats is easy.

    Now that the electoral system is so corrupt, its how to fix things that is the real challenge-

    http://truebluenz.com/2012/11/09/five-steps-to-defeat-the-democrats/

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  72. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    RB – if only you’d posted that a week ago.

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  73. RRM (10,097 comments) says:

    Pete – did you read Weddy’s article? They are five sensible, practical and easily-accomplished steps.

    One of them is shut down the public education system.

    Another is shut down the news media.

    It’s no wonder Wedbaiter feels such revulsion for the totalitarian ideologies of socialism and communism – what do you reckon he sees every morning in the mirror?

    Weddy should have asked the late, great Gil Scott-Heron for his thoughts on how the poor supposedly pay no tax…

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  74. Paulus (2,707 comments) says:

    Why is the Herald trying to outdown the Sunday Star Times (soon to not exist) ?

    The comment in there regarding Ambrose in salutary – Still on the Ambrose Utu trail eh !!

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  75. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Fascist
    State control of the media ffs red we would not expect that from yoza

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  76. Redbaiter (10,361 comments) says:

    “State control of the media”

    That’s the problem with Kiwiblog.. too many of the commenters are illiterate retards.

    (that’s what happens when you allow the left to control education)

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  77. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    RRM – sorry, those things would take time, he should have posted two weeks ago.

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  78. Redbaiter (10,361 comments) says:

    Actually, it speaks volumes about their crippled political perspectives and their retarded mindset that they automatically perceive of (and think I am advocating) government regulation as providing the only solution or course of action.

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  79. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Facist
    Red seeks a bunch of uneducated surfs with no ability to learn, Control over the media and a Peasant tax
    Reminds me of the way the church used to operate :grin:

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  80. RRM (10,097 comments) says:

    Oh look – YET ANOTHER catholic institution full of violent, murdering sex perverts who enjoy(ed) preying on helpless small children:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/7928932/Unreported-deaths-linked-to-paedophile-brotherhood

    (But it’s OH SO UNFAIR the way people keep criticising the catholic hegemony for all these crimes!)

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  81. Redbaiter (10,361 comments) says:

    Or take Griff for example, an ignorant of history retard who thinks people were completely uneducated until government took over education.

    Little does he know his own illiteracy and ignorance stands as one of the best testaments against the public education system you could ask for.

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  82. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/7928286/Mother-stole-benefit-money-to-help-family

    Thieving scum..stop her benefit and throw her into the street along with her loser scumbag partner

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  83. RRM (10,097 comments) says:

    Of course we’ll need a new government department to decide which news media organisations are “leftist” and execute the shutting-down of them.
    Redbaiter the authoritarian big-gubermint statist eh? ;-)

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  84. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    But wait, there’s more from Aus:

    Detective Chief Inspector Peter Fox, a 30-year veteran with the NSW police force, alleges a cover-up by the Catholic church into child sexual abuse and is calling for a Royal Commission.

    Transcript

    Mirroring police evidence given to the Victorian inquiry into the Catholic Church launched this year, he says in his letter: “Many police are frustrated by this sinister behaviour which will continue until someone stops it.”

    “I can testify from my own experience that the church covers up, silences victims, hinders police investigations, alerts offenders, destroys evidence and moves priests to protect the good name of the church. None of that stops at the Victorian border.”

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-09/officer-peter-fox-claims-catholic-church-covering-up-abuse/4362000

    Fox also claims he was stood down from a related case.

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  85. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Public schools educate the public you do not have to send your kids there. Charter schools and or a voucher to recompense those who do not chose the public system. We do need educated poor people that can at least read and write . Helps stop them going feral.

    I have seen a little TV lately do you consider fox biased Redbaiter ?

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  86. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    “Of course we’ll need a new government department to decide which news media organisations are “leftist” and execute the shutting-down of them.”

    It’ll be easy in Oz – just wait for the government approved media regulator to shut down media outlets there, and any that are left – are left.

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  87. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Functionally illiterate mr Redbaiter :wink:

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  88. Redbaiter (10,361 comments) says:

    I could ask you to quote the words you read in my post that called for government action against the media RRM, but really your lame strawmen arguments and your deranged babbling comments aren’t worth much more than contempt.

    Its why you can’t post at TrueblueNZ. You’re just a complete waste of time.

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  89. Pete George (23,793 comments) says:

    Whale Oil had an interesting post on Fox and the election failures of the right:

    Obviously Fox are influential. They reach a wide audience, and are a major, well-resourced and professionally run national broadcast outlet. But I’m not so sure they’re as damaging to Democrats as Democrats fear, or as helpful to Republicans as Republicans like to think.

    And as the GOP begins the process of sifting through the wreckage of its latest election defeat, it needs to learn a lesson. Just because you’re winning around Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity, it doesn’t mean you’re winning around America.

    More: http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2012/11/dan-hodges-on-fox/

    RB is in a more select bubble of reality denial than Fox.

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  90. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Once you have seen Five Obama is bad stories, listened to the rara when the poles said L,Checked out the pumped and primed bimbos, Thats it There was no content left.

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  91. niggly (832 comments) says:

    Pike River and Green’s duplicity.

    Letter to the Editor of the day. It’s so good it’s worth repeating in full as otherwise people will miss it:

    OPINION: Just a little refresher for the Labour and Green parties. It was in 2000 that the holder of the mining rights for Pike River applied to open-cast-mine the coal. Labour’s partner, the Greens – in particular, then co-leader Jeanette Fitzsimons – had a melt-down. Some old trees needed looking after, even though there are thousands of such trees on the West Coast. It was a given that the land would be returned to pristine order after the mining.

    The holder was told that, to mine, they’d have to dig into the coal vein. So, after two years’ study, the holder said that mining couldn’t be done safely and would wait.

    Another mining company said it could mine safely; the mining permit was passed to it. I remember that it was the first time I’d heard the term ”green mine” and Ms Fitzsimons told the TV cameras that this was ”the way of the future”. Labour signed the final consent for Pike River to go ahead in 2004.

    Labour leader David Shearer and Greens co-leader Russel Norman shouldn’t throw stones in glass houses.

    RICK COSGROVE

    Paraparaumu Beach [abridged]

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/letters-to-the-editor/7926954/Letter-A-consequence-of-no-open-cast-mining

    And even Chris Trotter reminds us (under the veil of attacking rogernomics), Labour aren’t squeakly clean when it comes to Pike River, especially Ms Wilson, Ms Dyson and Mr Mallard. Funny how the MSM aren’t knocking on their doors for accountability …

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/columnists/chris-trotter/7924949/Labour-shares-Pike-River-guilt

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  92. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    Joelle Gergis gets more funding to carry on screwing up:

    DE130100668 Gergis, Dr Joelle
    The University of Melbourne

    The further back we look, the further forward we can see: 1,000 years of past climate to help predict future climate change in Australia.

    Reconstructing 1,000 years of Australia’s past climate will greatly extend our understanding of natural climate variability currently estimated from weather observations. For the first time, Australian climate variations over the last millennium will be used to assess the accuracy of climate model simulations for our region.

    2013 $118,785.00
    2014 $115,920.00
    2015 $117,100.00
    Total $351,805.00

    http://www.arc.gov.au/pdf/DP13/DP13_Listing_by_all_State_Organisation.pdf

    Believe what you like about the climate, but she’s proven herself to be shit at being a scientist. Seems to be quite proficient in obtaining grants though.

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  93. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    More good news from the US election:

    Alan West out.

    Alan Grayson (back) in.

    Kudos to the good US folk who saw the light.

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  94. hinamanu (1,068 comments) says:

    Get the hell out of the US

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ktK-vVOcE8&feature=related

    ‘Get The Hell Out’ Of The U.S. – Rep. West Grilled For Comments

    Congressman Alan West

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  95. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Right now
    I fail to see a point to your post. Such a grant goes to many others to continual our quest for knowledge of the world around us.

    Project Title
    Skilfully planting the trees of light – Manichaean texts in Chinese
    2013 $225,000.00
    2014 $220,000.00
    2015 $220,000.00
    Total $665,000.00
    Primary FoR 2204 RELIGION AND RELIGIOUS STUDIES

    Project Title
    Elliptic curves: number theoretic and cryptographic aspects
    2013 $120,000.00
    2014 $120,000.00
    2015 $120,000.00
    Total $360,000.00
    Primary FoR 0802 COMPUTATION THEORY AND MATHEMATICS

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  96. liarbors a joke (1,069 comments) says:

    http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8561791/nz-wont-sign-up-to-kyoto-2-groser

    Bloody great…but what will klarkula say ?

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  97. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    Griff, I’m not going to go into this too much, but she did a shit job on her last effort and is was rejected by the journal because she did such a shit job. It’s astounding that she yet again gets funding.

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  98. Viking2 (11,665 comments) says:

    Looks like all the scumbags andriff raff treaty grabbers will be out protesting come Monday.

    John Ansell is holding a meeting at Hotel Armitage on Monday.

    A supporter, who declined to be named, says police have informed John that 150 Maori protestors are expected to turn up at the meeting. He is unsure how police found out about the protest.

    http://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/34600-racial-faceoff-tauranga.html

    Are we going to roll over to them. Hell no.

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  99. Griff (8,419 comments) says:

    Would you like me to ?
    Her paper like Watts has not been published yet and the denial sphere is badgering her for her data before publishing.
    Pasting personal smears is a disgusting attack tactic played by people with no answer to the science. Her grant is no more or less than any other discipline would receive for similar work. She is a doctor of Paleoclimatology – The Study of Ancient Climates. If you think she is wrong go get a phd so you can argue with her Not just smear her name

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  100. thedavincimode (6,890 comments) says:

    if only you’d posted that a week ago.

    Heh. PG, his capabilities in the vision and foresight departments are limited to the 20 year master plan. Hence the preference for the 20/20 rear view mirror.

    It seems the spikes in the suspenders he bought from Madam Nippletwister’s House of Alternative Pleasure are digging in too far as usual. He really ought to swap them for a shorter and blunter set.

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  101. Fletch (6,517 comments) says:

    West is asking for a recount. Not surprised.

    Tea Party congressman Rep. Allen West demanded a recount today in his nail-bitingly close re-election race with Patrick Murphy. With 100 percent of precincts reporting, Murphy has a lead of less than 3,000 votes. West’s campaign issued a statement:

    Late last night Congressman West maintained a districtwide lead of nearly 2,000 votes until the St. Lucie County Supervisor of Elections ‘recounted’ thousands of early ballots. Following that ‘recount’ Congressman West trailed by 2,400 votes …
    The St. Lucie County Supervisor of Elections office clearly ignored proper rules and procedures, and the scene at the Supervisor’s office last night could only be described as complete chaos. Given the hostility and demonstrated incompetence of the St. Lucie County Supervisor of Elections, we believe it is critical that a full hand recount of the ballots take place in St. Lucie County. We will continue to fight to ensure every vote is counted properly and fairly, and accordingly we will pursue all legal means necessary.

    To be honest, I think the whole election was rigged, Chicago-style.

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  102. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    Griff,

    Journal of Climate editor Chiang wrote:

    After consulting with the Chief Editor, I have decided to rescind acceptance of the paper- you’ll receive an official email from J Climate to this effect as soon as we figure out how it should be properly done. I believe the EOR has already been taken down.

    Also, since it appears that you will have to redo the entire analysis (and which may result in different conclusions), I will also be requesting that you withdraw the paper from consideration. Again, you’ll hear officially from J CLimate in due course. I invite you to resubmit once the necessary analyses and changes to the manuscript have been made.

    I’m happy to smear her based on what I know, a PhD is clearly no guarantee of competency so you can stick that one.

    It’s a real crack up that it was Climate Audit that discovered what a shit job she did, but rubbing that in your face wasn’t my original purpose. It’s a nice bonus now that you’ve risen to her defence though.

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  103. hinamanu (1,068 comments) says:

    We Know The Secrets of The Federal Reserve
    Obama Bombs Yemen Hours After Winning Reelection

    I have a DREAM Martin Luther King said…….. I have a DRONE Barack said

    http://www.secretsofthefed.com/obama-bombs-yemen-hours-after-winning-reelection/

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  104. eszett (2,450 comments) says:

    To be honest, I think the whole election was rigged, Chicago-style.

    Further evidence of how detached you are from reality, Fletch.

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  105. hinamanu (1,068 comments) says:

    Who Killed Rudy Giuliani?

    The American Conservative: When Ron Paul leaves office in January, he will have been more successful than many of the legislators who spent decades maligning him. Paul’s ideas have gradually gone from marginal to mainstream, and his record shows how much even a single determined man of principle can do to change a movement. In foreign policy especially, the Texas congressman leaves behind a new generation of leaders, both libertarian and conservative, who challenge the disastrous bipartisan consensus.

    A decade ago, only seven Republican members of Congress voted against the Iraq War—six congressmen and one senator. The number of conservative legislators who opposed the war was even smaller still, the redoubtable trio of Jimmy Duncan, John Hostettler, and Paul.

    The other dissenters were moderate to liberal Republicans representing districts where George W. Bush and any policy he proposed—much less sending young Americans to die in a war of choice—would have been deeply unpopular. Lincoln Chafee, the only GOP senator to vote against the authorization of force, was the son of the last great Rockefeller Republican and easily his party’s most liberal member of Congress. Connie Morella of Montgomery County, Maryland represented the most Democratic congressional district held by a Republican.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/who-killed-r

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  106. Fletch (6,517 comments) says:

    eszett, let’s look at the percentages, courtesy, White House Insider –

    Barack Obama netted FEWER Democrat votes in 2012 than were cast in 2008 by 3% points.

    Mitt Romney earned MORE Republican votes in 2012 than were cast in 2008 by 3% points.

    Barack Obama earned FEWER Black votes in 2012 than he did in 2008.

    Mitt Romney by the way, earned MORE Black votes in 2012 than were cast for the Republican in 2008.

    Mitt Romney earned MORE votes from both married men and married woman than were cast for Republicans in 2008, while also improving support among non-married men and woman by 2% from 2008 as well.

    Mitt Romney earned MORE votes among liberals, moderates, and conservatives than were cast for the Republican candidate in 2008 – in fact, this improvement was by a full 7% over 2008 – a very significant improvement.

    Mitt Romney earned more votes from Protestants, Catholics, and Jews than the Republican nominee received in 2008, including a 9-point improvement among Jewish voters alone.
    The two top issues according to voters were the economy and the budget. 

    Mitt Romney earned A 38 POINT ADVANTAGE OVER BARACK OBAMA on the top two issues of the election – and yet Romney was somehow defeated.

    Lastly, regarding the following three personal trait issues – strong leader, shares my values, and has a vision for the future, Mitt Romney DOMINATED Barack Obama among 2012 voters by 45 points.  And lost the election.

    As he says, yet Romney lost? How is that possible?

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  107. Fletch (6,517 comments) says:

    See the table of exit votes, courtesy Washington Post –

    Here is the link to the data via the Washington Post.  It is stunning, some might even say inconceivable, that a candidate improves in such categories as overall votes among Whites AND minorities, is ranked far ahead of their opponent in both the top two concerns among voters, as well as the three most important personal trait issues – and still loses the election.
    That is exactly what happened last night.  Somehow, someway…that is what happened to Mitt Romney – and to all who supported him.
    See link below – and the dramatic shift in Republicans’ favor in 2012 vs 2008.  A shift the resulted in a confounding loss that remains dubious at best…

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/2012-exit-polls/

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  108. Elaycee (4,425 comments) says:

    The NZ Hoorald strikes again with an article titled: Futile search for work leads mum to look at Australia

    So the Hoorald churnalist ‘interviews’ a woman and in return gets this horrible bleat about unemployment and the overall lack of work in NZ and as a result she will have to look for work in Australia.

    Then toward the bottom of the article, it mentions:

    She has applied for numerous jobs, dropped her CV into businesses near her old workplace in Rosebank Rd, and has asked everybody she knows to look for a job for her. She counts herself lucky to have lots of contacts. She is on the Labour Party’s Waitakere electorate committee and is on the national executive of the Engineering, Printing and Manufacturing Union.

    What a coincidence…

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10846101

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  109. Fletch (6,517 comments) says:

    MASSIVE election fraud.

    In Philadelphia locations where GOP inspectors were illegally removed, Obama won over 99% of the vote

    Voter fraud. It’s the real electorate of the Democratic Party.

    Across Philadelphia, GOP poll inspectors were forcibly (and illegally) removed from polling locations. Coincidentally (or not), Mr. Obama received “astronomical” numbers in those very same regions, including locations where he received “over 99%” of the vote.

    Ward 4, which also had a poll watcher dressed in Obama attire, went massively for Obama. Mr. Obama received 99.5% of the vote, defeating Mr. Romney 9,955 to 55.

    Another problem: “Voter turnout in Philadelphia was around 60 percent, according to state election figures.” In these precincts it was well over 90%

    But nothing suspicious about beating the averages in an area where the inspectors just had to be removed.

    Randall Miller, a history professor at St. Joseph’s University, said politicians almost never get 99 percent of the votes anywhere except, perhaps, the towns where they were born.

    He said the Democratic voter turnout effort deserved credit for the president’s success.

    “Ninety-nine percent is extraordinary, and it shows discipline as much as anything else,” he said.

    http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/dems-won-astronomically-in-philly-locations-where-inspectors-were-removed/

    99% ?
    Really?

    Come on. There’s MASSIVE fraud there.
    No doubt in my mind that Obama STOLE this election.

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  110. Fletch (6,517 comments) says:

    Also voter fraud in Cleveland, with Obama winning 100% of the vote!!

    In Cleveland, in some districts he did even better with an astounding 100% of the vote in dozens of locations. For example, in Cleveland’s Fifth Ward, Mr. Obama won districts E, F, and G 1,337 to Mitt Romney’s… 0. And in case you’re wondering, Gary Johnson received more votes than Mr. Romney.

    Well, maybe that’s just a fluke. In the Ninth Ward, Mr. Obama won districts D-G with a paltry total of 1,740 to… 3. Hey, at least Romney got .2% of the vote!

    Okay, what if we look at an entire Ward? No way this trend continues, right? An entire ward. Why not do the First Ward? Obama won that one 12,857 to… 94. This time Romney got .7% of the vote. He’s moving up in the world!

    In total, there are 21 districts in Cleveland where Mr. Romney received precisely 0 votes. In 23 districts, he received precisely 1 vote. And naturally, in one of the districts where Obama won 100% of the vote, there was 100% turnout. What a coincidence!

    By the way, in case you are thinking that Romney did so poorly because maybe those districts were not very populated: Nope.  In those 44 districts, Mr. Obama won 14,686 to 23.  That’s .16% of the vote for Romney.

    But Ohio’s not important in the electoral college, right?

    http://www.punditpress.com/2012/11/what-luck-obama-won-dozens-of-cleveland.html

    Something is ROTTEN.

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  111. eszett (2,450 comments) says:

    As i said before, Fletch, you spend way too much time on Obama-hating echo chambers. Get a life

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  112. Fletch (6,517 comments) says:

    eszett, so how is this not fraud?
    Explain this to me.

    It’s easy to call me an Obama hater, but you’ve changed the subject by turning the attention of your remark to what you think of me without actually addressing the original question of voter fraud.

    DO you actually have anything useful to contribute as regards that?

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  113. Sofia (856 comments) says:

    Monk, who lost his son Michael in the blast, said Key always told families if they produced a safe and credible recovery plan, money was not an issue.
    The experts gave their time to the families for free but their trip was funded by the Climate Change Foundation to write a case study for the United Nations about the tragedy ”to ensure the lessons are viewed with a more international perspective”.

    Nice of the Climate Change Foundation – perhaps
    But what should the UN know beyond the details in a copy of the Pike River Report will tell them?

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  114. RightNow (7,014 comments) says:

    Shoot on sight:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10846262

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  115. leftyliberal (651 comments) says:

    @Fletch: Apply some critical thinking. The wards in question are 97% african american and are low-socioeconomic areas. Romney has polled throughout this campaign at or around 0% within the african american demographic, thus this is not a particularly unusual result.

    I’m sure you’ll find the exact same results the other way around in some wards within Republican-heavy territories.

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  116. MT_Tinman (3,315 comments) says:

    Fantastic stuff!

    I have no doubt for the next four years it will not be Obama is a Kenyan it will be Obama was not re-elected.

    At least it’s a change

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  117. eszett (2,450 comments) says:

    Critical thinking, Fletch.

    Obama won all the swing states, but N.C and won the popular vote by 3m votes.

    But, please, go on, keep on reading those sites and keep on believing what you’d wish to be true rather than what is true.
    Fantasyland is sooo much more comforting than the cold hard truth.

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  118. publicwatchdog (3,112 comments) says:

    Seen this Kiwibloggers?

    The latest from Cronywatch… http://fmacskasy.wordpress.com/2012/11/09/crony-watch-2/

    This ‘revolving door’ is another form of GRAND CORRUPTION which is endemic in New Zealand.

    There should be a ‘quarantine’ period of 18 months / 2 years from the time politicians and senior staff leave the public service to when they take up employment in the private sector in an area where they could be seen to be using their contacts etc…..

    eg: Former Minister of Justice and Commerce – Simon Power – going straight from Parliament to head the Westpac private bank. In Australia – both at Commonwealth and State Government level – that would be illegal.

    The term is ‘post-separation employment’.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/5767710/Simon-Power-to-head-Westpac-Private-Bank

    Simon Power to head Westpac Private Bank
    Last updated 14:20 11/10/2011

    MOVING ON: Justice Minister Simon Power will take over as head of Westpac Private Bank.

    Cabinet minister Simon Power will be taking over as the head of Westpac Private Bank, it was announced today.

    The Rangitikei MP, 41, has been a National MP for 12 years and was tipped as the next party leader until his shock decision to stand down at the November general election.

    Power said he felt he was young enough to have a second career.

    Today, it was announced the commerce and justice minister would head Westpac Private Bank, a subsidiary of Westpac which deals with premium personal customers.
    ……………..
    ________________________________________________________________________________________________

    http://www.icac.nsw.gov.au/preventing-corruption/knowing-your-risks/post-separation-employment/4301

    Post-separation employment

    Post-separation employment is the situation where a public official leaves the public sector and obtains employment in the private sector. The principle underlying the management of post-separation employment is the need to ensure that public sector decisions are made only on their merits and not compromised by extraneous considerations or personal interests.
    The Department of Premier and Cabinet Personnel Handbook refers to this issue in Section 8-12:

    Employees should not use their position to obtain opportunities for future employment. They should not allow themselves or their work to be influenced by plans for, or offers of, employment outside the department.

    The type of employment which may be cause for concern is that which bears a close or sensitive relationship with the person’s former position as a public official. Examples might be regulators who go to work in an industry they formerly regulated, an adviser or chief executive who resigns from the public service to work in the private sector in the area of his or her former expertise, or a former government minister who obtains work as a political lobbyist.

    The risk of corruption is higher if the post-separation work involves contact with the former department, colleagues, or staff of the former public official. For the most part former public officials have no restrictions imposed on the type of employment they can obtain after they leave the public sector, and many post-separation employment problems only emerge after the public official has left public sector employment.

    Corrupt conduct related to the post-separation employment of a public official can occur either before or after the official leaves public employment.

    Corruption risks

    A risk assessment of the management of post-separation employment is likely to identify some or all of the following corruption risks:

    A current public official using their position to obtain an advantage for their future employment.

    A former public official attempting to influence former colleagues to make decisions that favour their new employment or private business.

    A former public official establishing their own business in the same field as the public agency and approaching the agency’s clients for business, using confidential information gained from the agency.

    A former public official becoming a lobbyist for a private organisation or specialist group and trying to gain confidential information or favourable treatment from former colleagues.

    A current public official stealing information, intellectual property, or other resources to develop their own business and/or to enhance employment prospects with other agencies and organisations.
    _______________________________________________________________________________________________

    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

    http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com

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  119. nasska (12,088 comments) says:

    Chorus were going to hire one team of telephone pole installers & the boss had to choose between a team of two Maori guys & a team of two Irish guys. So the boss met with both teams & said “Here’s what we’ll do. Each team will be installing poles out on the new road for a day. The team that installs the most phone poles gets the job.”

    Both teams headed right out.

    At end of the shift, Pat and Mike, the Irish guys, came back & the boss asked them how many they had installed. They said that it was tough going, but they’d put in twelve.

    Forty-five minutes later, Rangi & Wiremu came back in & they were totally exhausted.

    The boss asked, “Well, how many poles did you guys install?” Rangi, the team leader, wiped his brow and sighed, “Wiremu & me, we got three in.” The boss gasped, “Three? Those two Irish guys put in twelve!” “Yeah,” said Rangi, “but you should see how much they left sticking out of the ground!”

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  120. Fairfacts Media (347 comments) says:

    From Instapundit

    In keeping with Professor Jacobson’s warning concerning the media’s “Operation Demoralize” campaign, already in full swing, have you noticed how the role of “Superstorm Sandy” in Obama’s win has now largely been buried by the mainstream media? Other than Chris Matthews’ now infamous praising of God for the political gift the storm provided to Obama, and some mention of the AP’s exit poll data showing 42% of those polled reported being positively influenced to vote for Obama based on his purported stellar handling of the emergency response to the storm, Superstorm Sandy has not found its way into many MSM election post mortems. The reason for that should be readily apparent. The mainstream media’s preferred narrative has predictably changed. Now, the Obama victory is being depicted as the result of America’s widespread disapproval and rejection of Republicans and their extremist, white-focused policies and ideology.

    A week before the election, the in-the-tank-for-Obama MSM was deeply worried that Romney was going to beat their guy, so they played up Superstorm Sandy and the game-changing effect it was having on the election for all it was worth. Suddenly, Chris Christie was someone to be listened to, ad nauseum, rather than being dismissed as a partisan Republican attack dog. However, with Obama’s re-election now safely in the bag, the MSM would prefer that Americans forget that a freak storm probably averted an Obama loss. Obviously, such a loss would entirely preempt “Operation Demoralize,” and the only thing the MSM enjoys more than helping elect Democrats is predicting doom and despair for Republicans.

    “Operation Demoralize” completely falls apart if one considers just how close the margin of victory was for Obama in the four swing states that decided the election, and how Superstorm Sandy almost certainly moved enough votes from Romney to Obama to provide the election of victory. In Florida, with nearly 8.3 million ballots cast, the margin of victory was a mere 52,000 votes. Because this U.S. presidential election was a two person race, a takeaway by one candidate from another represents a two vote swing. Accordingly, if somewhere in the order of 26,000 Floridians, out of 8.3 million, decided that they were changing their vote from Romney to Obama based on his supposed “heckuva job” in relation to the storm response, those voters alone decided Florida’s 29 electoral votes. Given the AP exit poll and its 42% figure for those who claimed the storm influenced their decision to vote for Obama, it’s safe to say that Superstorm Sandy threw far more than 26,000 voters into Obama’s column and out of Romney’s.

    The same argument can be made in Ohio. 5.3 million votes cast, margin of victory: 103,000. If the storm flipped about 52,000 votes or more from Romney to Obama, then no storm meant Ohio would have been a Romney win on election day.

    In Virginia, 3.7 million votes cast, margin of victory: 107,000. If the storm influenced 54,000 voters or more to abandon Romney for Obama, the storm was decisive in converting a Romney win in Virginia to an Obama win.

    In Colorado, nearly 2.4 million votes cast, margin of victory: 113,000. If 57,000 voters or more moved from the Romney camp to the Obama camp based on the storm, then Obama doesn’t win the state if the storm never happens.

    A Romney win in these four states would have given him the election.

    I want to emphasize that these are very small numbers of voters in relation to the overall number of votes cast in these states, and with such a high percentage of voters in the AP poll attributing their vote in large measure to Obama’s positive media coverage from the storm, I don’t think there’s much doubt that Obama loses the election, albeit narrowly, if Superstorm Sandy never happened. But for our illustrious media elites, the truth won’t do, not when such a grand opportunity for another anti-Republican hatchet job has presented itself…

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  121. Fairfacts Media (347 comments) says:

    Oh and Gates of Vienna has collated a raft of election abuses committed by the Democrats that together could be significant.
    http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.co.nz/2012/11/cowards-lose.html

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  122. Fletch (6,517 comments) says:

    Since the election, at least 45 businesses have announced layoffs or job cuts. Including –

    • Energizer –

    The St. Louis-based company said Thursday that it expects to shed about 1,500 employees. When finished, the restructuring should lead to $200 million in pretax yearly savings, Energizer said. It aims to have most of its restructuring steps finished by the end of September 2014.
     
    • Westinghouse –

    Westinghouse Anniston, the contractor responsible for shutting down Anniston’s chemical weapons incinerator, has reduced its workforce by another 50 employees.
     
    • Research in Motion Limited –

    Research in Motion Ltd., the maker of BlackBerry smartphones, laid off about 200 people at its U.S. headquarters in Irving on Wednesday, according to a source close to the company who did not want to be named.
     
    • Lightyear Network Solutions –

    More than one dozen employees at a Pikeville company lost their jobs this week. Officials with Lightyear Network Solutions said they are consolidating offices in Louisville and Pikeville to save money.
     
    • Providence Journal –

    The Providence Journal Co. laid off 23 full-time workers Wednesday as part of a cost-cutting effort, including 16 members of the Providence Newspaper Guild and 7 non-union employees.
     
    • Hawker Beechcraft –

    The company says 240 employees will lose their jobs with the closing of Hawker Beechcraft Services facilities in Little Rock, Ark.; Mesa, Ariz.; and San Antonio, Texas.
     

    • Boeing (30% of their management staff) –

    Boeing Co.BA +1.24% said Wednesday it plans to employ 30% fewer executives at its Boeing Defense, Space & Security unit by the end of 2012 compared to 2010 levels.
     
    • CVPH Medical Center –

    CVPH Medical Center has handed pink slips to 17 employees. The layoffs — nine in management and eight hourly staffers — are part of an effort to “help bolster the hospital’s financial position in 2013 and beyond,” a press release said.
     
    • US Cellular –

    The move will result in 980 job cuts at U.S. Cellular, with 640 in the Chicago area, according to a spokeswoman. The cuts are slightly under 12 percent of the approximately 8,400 total employees U.S. Cellular had at the end of the third quarter.
     
    • Momentive Performance Materials –

    About 150 workers at Sistersville’s Momentive Performance Materials plant will be temporarily laid off later this month, officials said this week.
     
    • Rocketdyne –

    About 100 employees at Pratt & Whitney Rocketdyne, most of whom work in the San Fernando Valley, were laid off Wednesday in response to dwindling government spending on space exploration, the company said. The layoffs were effective immediately, and 75 percent of them came at the facilities on Canoga and De Soto avenues, which employ about 1,100 people. The company has six sites across the Valley.
     

    • Brake Parts –

    The leader of an automotive parts plant in Lincoln County has told state officials that there are plans to lay off 75 workers starting in late December…The layoffs are expected to start Dec. 28 and continue in the first quarter of 2013
    • Vestas Wind Systems –
    Vestas Wind Systems A/S (VWS) is seeking to sell a stake of as much as 20 percent and said it’s reducing headcount by 3,000 to raise the staff cuts by the biggest wind turbine maker to almost a third over two years.
     

    • Husqvarna –

    Husqvarna AB (HUSQB), the world’s biggest maker of powered garden tools, plans to cut about 600 jobs in a move that will save 220 million kronor ($33 million) a year by 2014.
     

    • Center for Hospice New York –

    The Center for Hospice and Palliative Care plans to temporarily lay off as many as 40 employees next year as it embarks on a major renovation of the inpatient unit at its Cheektowaga campus.
     

    • Bristol-Meyers –

    Bristol-Myers Squibb ($BMY) is following up its lackluster third-quarter results with almost 480 layoffs. As Pharmalot reports, the company notified the New Jersey government that it would scale back in Plainsboro, which means the cuts will hit its sales operations.
     

    • OCE North America –

    Trumbull printer- and scanning-equipment provider Oce North America, Inc. will lay off 135 workers in three Connecticut communities, including East Hartford, according to its notice with the state Labor Department.
     

    • Darden Restaurants –

    The company, which was among those who had received an Obamacare waiver in the past, is looking to limit workers to 28 hours per week. A full time employee that is required to have health insurance (lest the employer pay a fine) works 30 hours per week, as defined by the Obamacare law.
     

    • United Blood Services Gulf –

    United Blood Services Gulf South region, the non-profit blood service provider for much of south Louisiana and Mississippi, will lay off approximately 10 percent of its workforce. It was a hard decision to make according to Susan Begnaud, Regional Center Director for the Gulf South region.
    A layoff is tough enough for employees to deal with, imagine hearing the crushing news that your office is shutting down just before Thanksgiving and Christmas…  Here are some of the business closings that were announced in just the past two days:

    Caterpillar Inc. will close its plant in Owatonna Minn.
    Mount Pleasant’s Albrecht Sentry Foods
    The Target store at Manassas Mall Va.
    Millennium Academy in Wake Forest NC
    Target Closing Kissimmee FL Location
    The Andover Gift Shop in Andover MA
    Grand Union Family Markets Closing Storrs Location CT
    Movie Scene Milford Location NH
    Update: TE Connectivity Closing Greensboro Plant – 620 Layoffs Expected
    Gomer’s Fried Chicken in South Kansas City
    Kmart in Homer Glen
    Fresh Market on Pine Street in Burlington
    AGC Glass North America to permanently close its Blue Ridge Plant in Kingsport Tenn.
    The Target store at Platte and Academy in Colorado Springs
    The Roses store on Reynold Road in Winston-Salem NC
    Meanders Kitchen losing its West Seattle location at 6032 California Ave
    Bost Harley-Davidson at 46th Avenue North and Delaware Ave. in West Nashville TN
    Townsend Booksellers in Oakland
    The Kmart store in Parkway Plaza off University Drive in Durham NC – 79 Jobs Lost

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  123. Longknives (4,949 comments) says:

    Fletch- Are those stats confirmed? They seem quite bizarre…..

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  124. Fletch (6,517 comments) says:

    Longknives, see the Daily Job Cut website, updated daily with links they have closures, too. –

    http://www.dailyjobcuts.com/

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  125. mikenmild (12,316 comments) says:

    Wow, massive electoral fraud has to be the only way to explain the US election result, eh? Obsessive much?

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  126. Fletch (6,517 comments) says:

    Like no one complained at all when Bush won against Gore in 2000…

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  127. Francis_X (147 comments) says:

    @ Fletch

    !!!!!?????

    Are you being sarcastic?

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  128. SPC (5,664 comments) says:

    Fletch, the relative comparison would be if 5 businesses laid off staff within days of an election here.

    The pertinent question is how many firms lay off staff in the average week in the USA? And what the average number of firms laying off staff is here each week etc.

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