Pallywood Returns to Gaza

November 17th, 2012 at 11:00 am by David Farrar

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51 Responses to “Pallywood Returns to Gaza”

  1. Psycho Milt (2,412 comments) says:

    “Pallywood” – yes, how funny it is that Palestinians lack a govt and a military to provide professional, high-quality propaganda, so can only provide amateur-hour, home-made equivalents. What an excellent source of humour we can find in the misery of others, if we only have enough generosity of spirit…

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  2. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    Psychos first out with a pathetic straw man.

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  3. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    I wonder if the makers of this little gem have a few rusty ambulances waiting in the wings?

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  4. berend (1,709 comments) says:

    If that guy had been seriously wounded, he would have been killed by how they dragged him around.

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  5. kiwi in america (2,454 comments) says:

    Psycho beat Luc Hansen to the punch. What brought on the attacks from the Israelis? Hamas firing rockets indiscriminately into Israel,…. again. Israel gives Hamas days to stop the rockets and plenty of warning as to who and what they would attack – just enough time for the Palestinians to arrange for innocent women and children to be in the line of fire….again – oh and of course they carried on firing rockets aimed at Israeli women and children whose deaths and injuries are not faked.

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  6. thor42 (971 comments) says:

    **Everything** that the Fakestinians say is lies.
    * Their name. They are (of course) *Arabs*. They are NOT in any way related to the ancient Philistines (who were a sea-going people from Crete and the Aegean islands).
    * Their claims to wanting to be “liberated”. Interesting that Egypt “liberated” (annexed) Gaza and Jordan annexed the West Bank, and no-one raised a peep then. How odd…..
    * Their claim to be the “good guys”, when they have fired thousands of rockets into Israel, have committed hundreds of suicide-bombings there, and brainwash and raise their children to be suicide-bombers too. They are SAVAGES – no other adjective can describe them.

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  7. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    The Arabs of Palestine don’t need their own professional propagandists. Why would they when the BBC,the Guardian,Reuters etc are doing it for them?

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  8. thor42 (971 comments) says:

    Exactly right, kowtow.
    Lord Haw-Haw and Tokyo Rose would be proud of the constant leftwing nonsense pumped out by the organisations that you mentioned.

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  9. Elaycee (4,392 comments) says:

    More Hamas propaganda exposed for the bullshit it is…

    Quelle surprise….

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  10. Yoza (1,875 comments) says:

    The occupation of Palestine is an extension of European imperialism into the 20th century. The Israelis claim to that area is founded on the notion of the racial superiority of the white man and his right of conquest of the inferior brown skinned peoples through the use of superior violent force. The majority of Israeli Jews are the descendants of Europeans who converted to Judaism in the 12th century – http://inventionofthejewishpeople.com/ .

    That the concept of white supremacists occupying Palestine while ethnically cleansing it of the indigenous semitic population finds uncritical support on Kiwiblog speaks volumes for the mindset of your run of the mill Kiwiblogger.

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  11. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    kowtow#

    Quite right.

    Injured and dead Palestinians make better TV than harpooned whales, another lefty invention.

    Funny how Palestine’s so called Arab ‘brothers’ and also being their oil rich neighbours, have left most of them in virtual poverty since 1949. So instead, Palestine is supported by the ‘lefty’ UN – and our fucken taxes.

    Palestinians are just ‘useful idiots’ to the Arabs and the western liberal left – namely so that both camps can eventually destroy both Judism and Christianity.

    Anyway, Israel is ammuned from any and all praise by the lefty media. Why? I’d have no idea. Afterall, Palestinians are welcome and live in Israel.

    The anti-Israeli movement is just another religion! :cool:

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  12. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    yoga shows his/her true colours

    you are one twisted fuck from a fact free zone

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  13. Reid (16,471 comments) says:

    For those who emotionally hallucinate that poor widdle Iswael is only defending herself, here’s the wiki data on Hamas wocket attacks. Over 800 this year, 680 in 2011 and 569 rockets and 289 mortars in 2010.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2010

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2011

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel,_2012

    Thereby proving what I’ve been saying since it started, which is that this is for the January elections, nothing else. No other reason at all, except in the fantasy land of your average zionist who despite the actual data proving this has been going on all the time, still persists in thinking that because Isweal’s a nice guy and nice guy’s don’t kill babies for election purposes just like some out of control tinpot African leader thug would probably do, and call it “collateral damage,” because of that, therefore, ergo, cogito ergo sum, Isweal MUST be doing it for self-defense, just like evewyone in all the newspapers all in fact say, so I’m wight, and my tummy doesn’t hurt like it does when I think Isweal might be wong, that weally weally hurts my tummy when I try to think that. Big ouchies.

    Israel’s leaders are killing innocent people who have done nothing wrong, in order to get themselves re-elected. They are. It can’t be denied. Like I said, if the leader of say Somalia started doing this, the UN and the western world would be outraged, wouldn’t it. Yes it fucking would and you know it. Yet even lefty organs like the NY Times which some of you hallucinate is anti-Israel is not calling this obvious issue of the parallel timing between this and Cast Lead which killed 1440 and both happened at the same time, before elections, four years ago.

    This is without doubt the slaughtering of many innocent human beings for political purposes, and yet many of you bray on about Isweal’s wights. Well what about the rights of those murdered and maimed innocents? They clearly don’t have any rights, in your minds. Possibly in your minds who knows, they’re just a bunch of fucking ragheads, untermenschen. I mean isn’t this ironic, that many of you are so quick to leap on people who you don’t think are paying sufficient attention to the tragedy of the holocaust and yet when Israel treats its neighbouring nation as a bunch of untermenschen, it’s just fine.

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  14. Lance (2,655 comments) says:

    @Reid
    Do you expect anyone to take you seriously with your childish feigned lisp inflections on key words?
    You just look like a dick when you do that. One of Huluns minions.

    The west bank innocents could stop the fucking terrorist, unite and drive the terrorists out… oh right, they voted for them. Damn, who would have thought, actions have consequences, even terrible consequences.

    Your strawmans are a joke, other conflicts don’t involve hundreds of rockets as a provocation.

    Stop the rockets, this goes away.

    If the rockets stop I would join you in telling Israel to stop, but of course they haven’t.

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  15. Reid (16,471 comments) says:

    You do realise Lance your post just proved my point.

    Despite the fact the overwhelming majority of the casualities are innocents, the only thing you can talk about and apparently think about, are Isweal’s wights.

    Poor widdle Iswael, she’s so defenseless. Just a bastion of light amongst the sea of animal hatred. No matter what she does she’s fucked. Oh the poor darling.

    Tell me Lance, when you’re thinking about poor widdle Iswael in the sea of animal hatred, do the faces of any of the murdered children, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters ever appear to you in the crowd?

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  16. Harriet (4,972 comments) says:

    “…..For those who emotionally hallucinate that poor widdle Iswael is only defending herself, here’s the wiki data on Hamas wocket attacks. Over 800 this year, 680 in 2011 and 569 rockets and 289 mortars in 2010……….Thereby proving what I’ve been saying since it started, which is that this is for the January elections, nothing else. No other reason at all, except in the fantasy land…..”

    Killing Jews[or any other humans] just a sport to you Reid?

    Someone shouldv’e belted your mother -just once- while she was pregnant with you…..Now do you get the point ya dumb fuck?

    Grow up Reid!

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  17. kiwi in america (2,454 comments) says:

    Reid
    You left out one key element in your little screed. Why the hell fire rockets in the first place when you know eventually the Israelis will retaliate? And why fire them at civilian populations where innocent civilians reside. Fair enough have a crack at Israeli military targets – its what you do in wars – but if you target Israeli civilians and then hide your weapons and rocket launchers in civilian areas in Gaza the IDF are going to eventually target you. If Israeli politics is what this is all about as you allege then surely the Palestinians would not want to ensure the re-election of Netanyahu by provoking a war that invariably benefits any incumbent Israeli PM who acts decisively to protect Israeli interests.

    Yoza
    Yep all issues seen through the Marxist class warfare lens. The Palestinians were offered their own state in Trans Jordan (now the West Bank) by first the British (under its Mandate post WW1 and the Balfour Declaration), then by the UN in 1947 and then under the Oslo Peace accords in 2000 (97% of what Arafat asked for in terms of territory Ehud Barak agreed to) and each time they said no, that they wanted the whole enchilada and that they were prepared to drive the Jews into the Mediterranean to get it. Benny Morris (described by no less than Noam Chomsky as a non biased Israeli historian) said that the vast bulk of the Palestinian Arabs who left the territory that became Israel in 1948 did so at the behest of the leaders and generals of the various Arab armies tasked with driving out the Jews. A few thousand only were driven out in the fog of war by the military actions of the IDF. If you examine the actual land deeds you will also see that vast sections of what became Israel were legally purchased by Jewish settlers off absentee Lebanese land owners for normal market prices in the pre WW2 period. Sorry – the ethnic cleansing claim is a Palestinian propoganda claim.

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  18. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    “Israel’s leaders are {insert emotive language “killing innocent people who have done nothing wrong” instead of “retaliating”}, in order to get themselves re-elected. ”

    Which is another way of saying the majority of Israelis wanted a harder stance to be taken against these persistent rocket attacks but the leaders were being restrained until now.

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  19. Reid (16,471 comments) says:

    You left out one key element in your little screed. Why the hell fire rockets in the first place when you know eventually the Israelis will retaliate?

    KIA I wouldn’t do it either and I observe the Hamas and Hezbollah leadership do things which bring it down on their own people and I think they do this on purpose sometimes, to get more recruits. But Israel is the entity with vastly more resources, more brainpower, more military power, more everything, Israel is the big boy in this and therefore its Israel who needs to take the lead on how this is managed and she can either do what she does or she can change and if she changes then so will Hamas and Hezbollah.

    My perspective on this was well explained on last night’s GD if you care to check that. Essentially it’s about obtaining an outcome from long term population management and what are the best tactics to use to achieve that. Is the boot on the throat all the time approach currently adopted, working? It’s not, is it. Dealing with this by changing tactics long term is not dropping the big stick, it’s simply ceasing to wield it so brutally, indiscriminately and cynically, as Israel does, all the time, this is just the latest example.

    This is simple logic. It is clearly in Israel’s best interests to change its tactics and this doesn’t weaken its security position it rather strengthens it and this is not fantasy this is simple no-brainer population management psychology.

    So why you people continually defend Israel in these events by pointing to the wockets, completely misses the whole point which is once a few more thousand have been killed:
    how many more young people are likely to want to join Hamas and die for the cause?
    how many less wockets will be fired in 2013-14-15-etc?

    So you simply can’t make a logical argument for defending Iswael when she does this, time and again. You can by all means claim your position is logical, but its really destructive to the state of Israel, not constructive of it. Which is funny, because you’re the ones who claim to be pro-Israel.

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  20. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Weid, as you said “But Israel is the entity with vastly more resources, more brainpower” – more even than you Weid, so you can see why I for one don’t go along with your views.

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  21. Reid (16,471 comments) says:

    you can see why I for one don’t go along with your views.

    Has it ever occured, WightNow, that perhaps Israel’s leaders already know this for its very elementary, but they have calculated that its in their own best interests to maintain the seige mentality amongst the Israeli electorate, for it makes them easier to manipulate because then they can take “patriotic” actions like this which makes more people like them because the leadership is pwotecting them from the sea of animals?

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  22. Reid (16,471 comments) says:

    To reinforce the evidence this is slaughter for electoral purposes, this operation is named Pillar of Cloud specifically to remind the electorate of the way God led them out of the wilderness. Think that’s a coincidence? That has propaganda written all over it, doesn’t it. One thing that some might wonder, is how could the Israeli political leadership who one assumes all claim to be pious in their faith, possibly dare to associate themselves with what God did, which is what this propaganda label is designed to do?

    How could a religiously pious person possibly think that is OK?

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  23. Alan Johnstone (1,087 comments) says:

    “Stop the rockets, this goes away.”

    Can the Palestinian refugees return home if the rockets stop?

    What you mean is stop the rockets and you can return to your life as a defeated people living in a ghetto.

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  24. Reid (16,471 comments) says:

    It is important to have dignified rules while bringing the world to an end.

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  25. RightNow (6,994 comments) says:

    Weid, it’s occurred to me that thousands and thousands of minds have thought about this, over many decades, and calculated all the strategies, tactics and possible outcomes, from all sides. But you, Weid, seem to think that if only they’d listen to you then it would all be resolved amicably.
    But Weid, if 6 million of your people had been slaughtered in recent history then I think, Weid, that as a people you would feel that it was not unreasonable to take serious those threats by all those nations surrounding you to ‘wipe you off the face of the earth’, and to use your superior resources and minds to ensure that such slaughter never happened to your people again.

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  26. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    yoza

    What’s wrong with European imperialism,particularly of the British brand? You’re writing in English, in a democracy,with a standard of living and political system (with all it’s failings)far superior to any country that has not had the benefit of same. Or are you packing your bags and moving to North Korea or Saudi Arabia?

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  27. Reid (16,471 comments) says:

    you, Weid, seem to think that if only they’d listen to you then it would all be resolved amicably.

    WightNow, this isn’t rocket science. If you think I’m wrong, pray tell me which part of my simple elementary argument is factually or logically flawed and wouldn’t produce what I say it would. Go ahead, otherwise accept the logic as it stands, as logic that stands, there it is.

    But to explain why other people don’t talk about it, I’ve mentioned the vested interests behind the politicians which drive that silence and if you can’t also work out the vested interests behind the media like the NYT that drives that silence then look up the ownership structures and you’ll get a clue. This is why people don’t talk about it WightNow.

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  28. DJP6-25 (1,387 comments) says:

    thor42 11:40 am. Got it in one.

    cheers

    David Prosser

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  29. Reid (16,471 comments) says:

    The seige mentality is what the ‘war on terror’ foisted upon all of us and which has wrought the Orwellian changes that have become a mere part of the background of daily life in most western societies – not us yet.

    But think of ‘boil the frog.’

    And whoever said this: “Those who don’t remember history, are condemned to repeat it.”

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  30. Inky_the_Red (759 comments) says:

    Israel finds a reason to kill people in Gaza. Must be an Israeli election coming up

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  31. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Thor42, the Palestinians speak Arabic. The original Arabs have a distinct southern Semite DNA. Most Palestinians have northern Semite DNA.

    Egyptians speak Arabic (as do others in North Africa – descendants of Berbers), but most are descendants of those in Egypt for thousands of years before Arabs turned up with Islam and their language.

    Yoza,

    The people of Israel speak Hebrew a northern Semite language – and the Mizrahi/Sephardim and Ashkenazi share a common northern Semite DNA ancestry. The DNA facts destroy the Khazar myth (even identifying Khazars as European has yet to be established).

    The attempt to de-legitmise the claim of either Jews or Palestinians is invalid. This is the real tragedy, they will just have to co-exist. They share northern Semite DNA ancestry (something they have in common with Lebanese and Syrians).

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  32. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    As for why Hamas would fire the rockets just before an Israeli election.

    Events.

    1. Hizbollah declare they have a drone (after Iran claim to have the technology) by sending it over Israel.

    This provocation of Israel while the Assad regime is under pressure and also affirm Iranian claims to this capacity – and reinforcing Hizbollah’s role as a proxy in the defence of Iranian/Syrian interests.

    2. Israel is shelled from Syrian territory.

    3. Hamas fires rockets, as the Assad regime faces a more united opposition that is finally receiving some western recognition.

    No or limited response to the first two increases the chance of a response to the third. Especially when this is a possible election winner for Netanyahu (who is struggling in the economic debate).

    So who decided his re-election and the loss of lives in Gaza was worth it to push the cause of Arab Moslem unity vs the Zionists (while Assad’s regime struggles and Iran seeks to complete its nuclear development).

    For years some have claimed that Palestinians were the ones sacrificed to a role as a front for war on Israel. It seems Hamas buys into this line and participates in this willingly.

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  33. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    TVNZ1 using the BBC and TV3 using ITV have just fulfilled their role as Pallywood agents. No real reporting or journalism. Just propaganda.

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  34. Yoza (1,875 comments) says:

    kiwi in america (1,766) Says:

    “…vast bulk of the Palestinian Arabs who left the territory that became Israel in 1948 did so at the behest of the leaders and generals of the various Arab armies tasked with driving out the Jews. A few thousand only were driven out in the fog of war by the military actions of the IDF.

    Gideon Levy writing in Haaretz begs to differ: “While we are still desperately concealing, denying and repressing our major ethnic cleansing of 1948 – over 600,000 refugees, some who fled for fear of the Israel Defense Forces and its predecessors, some who were expelled by force – it turns out that 1948 never ended, that its spirit is still with us.”

    Noam Chomsky’s approval of the writings of Benny Morris?<a href=’http://www.chomsky.info/debates/20051129.htm’>Chomsky:“In Morris’s words, “…founded on brute force, repression and fear, collaboration and treachery, beatings and torture chambers and daily intimidation, humiliation and manipulation, along with stealing of valuable land and resources.” Like other Israeli political and legal commentators, Morris reserves special criticism for the Supreme Court, whose record, he writes, “will surely go down as a dark day in the annals of Israel’s judicial system.” ( ….back soon – missus needs me to go to the shops.)

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  35. Yoza (1,875 comments) says:

    SPC (1,498) Says:

    “Yoza, The people of Israel speak Hebrew a northern Semite language – and the Mizrahi/Sephardim and Ashkenazi share a common northern Semite DNA ancestry.”

    Modern Hebrew was developed in the 19th century as a means of coalescing, among disparate groups of Jews, a singular identity. There is a large debate about the resemblance modern Hebrew bears to the more ancient version – although most modern languages are the quite unrecognisable offspring of their ancestral dialect.

    I doubt anything can be proved with DNA considering the sporadic Muslim occupation of large swathes of southern and eastern Europe during the mid to late first millennium on-wards. It would not surprise me if there are groups in New Zealand and throughout Europe, Australia, the US etc… who “…share a common northern Semite DNA ancestry.” yet would not identify with Palestinians or Jews.

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  36. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Yeah sure modern Hebrew was “re-created” but it’s source was the original northern Semite language. The appropriate compromise for those speaking Yiddish, English, French, German and Arabic.

    The DNA evidence is real … and apparently as inconvenient for those who are anti-Zionist as for the pro Zionists.

    The DNA Y chromosome provides a trace back to 2000BCE for northern Semites (the common ancestry with southern Semites – the Arabs of Arabia goes back to 5000BCE).

    So North African Arab presence in Spain and Sicily – either Berber converts to Islam or southern Semite Arab in ancestry and non semetic Turk presence in East Europe does not obscufate the trail.

    Science what a …. to those who need to hold onto a lie. It totally destroyed a few others in its time the British Israel theory and the American cult claiming North Western Europeans were descendants of the lost tribes (none had the necessary northern Semite DNA).

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  37. kowtow (8,487 comments) says:

    A bit of background on the current round of terror from Gaza.
    http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Editorials/Article.aspx?id=291540

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  38. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    This Pallywood thing is just gross. So a guy gets concussed by a blast from a US missile – not an insignificant event – and gets carted out of the way, recovers and wanders back to survey the scene, a bit like Richie McCaw wandering around the fringes while he recovers from his latest date with concussion, and the poor bugger is made out to be some kind of propaganda tool?

    So many sick people making sick points. Go stand beside a Hellfire missile target one day!

    Anyway, I have a beautiful photo on my phone of the Palestinian flag flying proudly on the building housing the US consulate in Auckland, today. Along with my two shoes! I have forwarded it to a couple contacts in the Occupied Palestinian Territories. I hope it gives them cheer.

    Oh, and I see KIA has reappeared after his woeful US election day forecast, although he appears to have dipped into Tel
    Aviv’s Hasbara files again to deliver his junk history. He has even less credibility than his mate Romney!

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  39. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Perhaps DPF would prefer this video that just landed in my inbox:

    http://english.pnn.ps/index.php/politics/3097-pnn-warns-a-painful-video-shows-the-suffering-of-a-palestinian-baby-killed-by-israeli-airstrikes-gaza

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  40. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Luc, everything about this conflict is gross.

    The problem is that those who take sides join in the partisanship of the combatants – this just fuels it all.

    What should happen is that the USA ends its veto on UN recognition of Palestine (another inappropriate use of a veto given the USA promised to restrict veto use to vital national security interests). Then Palestine can exist as a recognised state with known legal borders when negotiating a co-existence peace treaty with Israelms (any border changes mutually agreed). They really do need to negotiate as equals.

    And when Hamas fires rockets, the Egyptian Foreign Minister should say, you expect us to take your side when Israel reacts to your provocation? Why?

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  41. Yoza (1,875 comments) says:

    “The problem is that those who take sides join in the partisanship of the combatants – this just fuels it all.”

    Would you feel justified in applying the same analysis to the former apartheid government of South Africa’s persecution of the indigenous population there?

    The use of the word combatants suggests there is two equal factions facing off against each other when nothing could be further from the truth. We are talking about a regional superpower using some of the planets most sophisticated weaponry against sparsely armed resistance fighters struggling in the squalor of what has been described as the world’s largest open air prison.

    Palestinians have not been relegated to second class citizens; Palestinians have been designated an un-people whose existence can be snuffed out on the whim of their colonial masters in concert with the unquestioning moral, economic, military and logistical support of their Washington sponsors.

    As Tony Judt points out:“The problem is not, as it is sometimes suggested, that Israel is a European enclave in the Arab world, but rather that it arrived too late. It has imported a characteristically late 19th century separatist project into a world that has moved on, a world of individual rights, open frontiers, and international law. The very idea of a ‘Jewish state’, a state in which Jews and the Jewish religion have exclusive privileges from which non-Jewish citizens are forever excluded, is rooted in another time and place. Israel, in short, is an anachronism.”

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  42. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Latter day Western European cultural supremacism from Judt.

    Europe (originator of the nation state out of empire concept that went global in the 20thC) has moved on from the nation state so the (ir) world has?

    A world of individual rights, open borders and international law or a Europe of these values?

    What irony, a European chauvinism that attacked Jews for not evolving into their Christianity and for not being of any nation identity within Europe now attacks them for having a nation state identity outside of Europe.

    Does the rest of the world have individual rights and open borders and as for international law – some nations such as Russia and China take pride in leading a group of nations that thunb their nose at these values and any interference of the international community in the sovereignty of nation states.

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  43. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    One could better argue that it is a world of nation states that are members of the UN – a UN that recognises nation state sovereignty and the right of each to peace and secure borders.

    The argument that any struggle to preserve or establish national identity is the affront that must be sacrificed for the sake of peace is as old as imperial power over peoples and nations.

    Judt, just did not like what nationalism did to Israel – nationalism is a response to threat (and where faith has a national ambition this is exacerbated). Thus saw a better Israel in one that did not struggle against the wider world but appeased it.

    He may see a secular Europe as the way of salvation for those Jews at one with wider humanity and thus propose it for Israel outside of Europe within another multi-national construct. But this is not Europe and there is no mandate from either side for a secular bi-national state.

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  44. BlairM (2,339 comments) says:

    Can you really be a refugee after 64 years? Most of the original “refugees” are dead.

    It is ludicrous to ask for a “right of return” for those who left in 1948. You may as well ask if ten million Germans can go back to Silesia and East Prussia in Poland. You may as well ask if Hungary can have Transylvania back from Romania. Hell, maybe we should settle the matter of the Sudetenland?!

    As long as Gaza continues to wage war, the IDF will insist on waging it back. Good on them.

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  45. Yoza (1,875 comments) says:

    “One could better argue that it is a world of nation states that are members of the UN – a UN that recognises nation state sovereignty and the right of each to peace and secure borders.”

    One could, but then one would have to confront the contempt with which Israel and its Washington sponsor express themselves in defiance of the UN and international law.

    Noam Chomsky:“Like its patron, Israel resorts to violence at will. It persists in illegal settlement in occupied territory, some annexed, all in brazen defiance of international law and the U.N. Security Council. It has repeatedly carried out brutal attacks against Lebanon and the imprisoned people of Gaza, killing tens of thousands without credible pretext.”

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  46. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    As long as Gaza continues to wage war, the IDF will insist on waging it back. Good on them.

    A complete reversal of reality, which points to the great success of Israel’s propaganda machine.

    Eventually, though, all machines go creaky and fall into disuse or collapse completely.

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  47. Griff (7,728 comments) says:

    You guys are mad you will quit happy destroy a successfully society to impose a sick one.
    Give me one ME state that has a better standard of living.
    Democratic, successful, stable and untainted by Muslim theocracy.
    In a perfect world Israeli would do even better if it did not have to wage continuing defensive war against Muslim fanatics.

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  48. Nostalgia-NZ (5,211 comments) says:

    SPC

    ‘And when Hamas fires rockets, the Egyptian Foreign Minister should say, you expect us to take your side when Israel reacts to your provocation? Why?’

    Are you offended that Palestinians reject their imprisonment? Should they merely accept. I’d like to know what you think. Someone else used that argument yesterday but the real words I hear are; that Palestine should accept it’s subjugation.

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  49. Luc Hansen (4,573 comments) says:

    Griff, your fantastic model of a successful society (well disproven by official statistics, but never mind) is one built on colonial theft-by-force, dispossession and exploitation of the native peoples.

    It’s an unpleasant reality that is well past its use by date.

    Furthermore, Palestinians have previously signed up to the international framework for settlement of the conflict, and it is official US policy – albeit one overridden for base electoral purposes – but this model is prevented by the fact that Israel has now de-facto annexed most of the land intended for the Palestinian state.

    This graphical representation of creeping Israeli annexation of the West Bank posted by Bomber cuts through Israel’s racist propaganda:

    http://tumeke.blogspot.co.nz/2012/11/its-israeli-election-time-lets-bomb-gaza.html

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  50. Griff (7,728 comments) says:

    well disproven by official statistics

    Post them.

    Most indexes I know of that take the range of indicators that establish a bench mark for humanity to aspire to rate Israel as first world.

    http://www.sp2.upenn.edu/restes/WSS09.html
    http://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/#/10115111111

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  51. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    nostalgia, my point is that Hamas has objectives that do not include co-existence with Israel and Israel has objectives that do not include a return to pre 1967 borders. Those who pander to their extremism are part of the problem.

    The West Bank Palestinians are quite capable of resisting Israel’s attempt at libensraum and marginalising this internationally. (The Hamas shower now hypervenitlating that their brothers in Egypt can show their anti-Israeli credentials through support for their continuing martydom are their biggest liability). Hamas is offering the Palestinian cause as the means for Islamist solidarity across the region – it cares less about whether this delivers an end to Palestinian suffering and more about whether this makes Palestinians better martyrs for Islam.

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