Same sex marriage submissions

November 16th, 2012 at 2:52 pm by David Farrar

I made my appearance at the Govt Admin Select Committee on Wednesday on Louisa Wall’s Marriage Bill. Some good questions from MPs on both sides of the debate. I expressed sympathy for the MPs and staff who received some 20,000 or more submissions on the bill!

I was amused when at the end, Chair Ruth Dyson said “We’ll see you at our next bill”. I actually don’t  submit on that many bills – but a lot of them end up on Govt Admin Select Cmte. A lot are Justice & Electoral also. Don’t think I have ever made a submission to the Health Select Committee.

also appeared and made some headlines with his views on how allowing same sex marriage is like apartheid. For those who enjoy the views of Gordon, I am happy to link to my 2008 blog which quotes wonderful extracts from his autobiography. The highlight is Chapter 12:

Jetlag does funny thing and I was wide awake in prayer at about 4am one morning in London when the Lord told me that Satan would attack me in Bangkok on the way home.

I had forgotten all about that a couple of days later when I was lying back in 40 degree Celsius heat alongside the swimming pool at the Oriental Hotel in Bangkok enjoying the sunshine. A beautiful girl stripped off topless alongside me and covered herself in suntan lotion before diving in for a swim. She was very much in my thoughts about 20 minutes later when I went back to my hotel room for a much needed nap.

Somewhere between the bedroom and the bathroom, I was physically attacked by an invisible spiritual being. I felt I was being strangled but strangely felt very little fear. The Lord’s warning to me in London suddenly flashed into my mind. I realised that I had been attacked by an unseen spiritual being from the realm of Satan. I am no stranger to demons and have many times, in ministering to people, found it necessary to rebuke spiritual beings in the name of Jesus Christ. The problem was that on this occasion I was incapable of speaking since my voice box appeared to be completely choked off. Inwardly, however, my spirit cried out desperately to God, “Help me!” From within the deep resources of my being a wave of the Holy Spirit rose up through my body and seemed to explode up through my throat and my mouth in a song, from my boyhood days of praise to God. I felt the spiritual being which had me in its grip loose me and leave. I was overcome with joy and went on singing my praise to God for several minutes. I didn’t even know that I still knew that particular hymn of praise!

Oddly, I’ve often had Satan attack me also, when I see a beautiful topless girl rubbing oil over herself. Sadly for me, unlike Gordon, Satan has won the fight on these occasions.

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85 Responses to “Same sex marriage submissions”

  1. gazzmaniac (2,307 comments) says:

    Oddly, I’ve often had Satan attack me also, when I see a beautiful topless girl rubbing oil over herself. Sadly for me, unlike Gordon, Satan has won the fight on these occasions.

    Love it!

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  2. Harriet (4,969 comments) says:

    So!

    Are you also going to list all the nonsense that the gaysex fanaticists and their flock keep saying?

    [DPF: Earlier today I blogged disapproval of the blacklist in the US of someone who just donated to a petition for a referendum. I call them as I see them]

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  3. RRM (9,919 comments) says:

    Idle hands do the devil’s work DPF… ;-)

    I love how he had to retire to his room for a “nap” after said hottie stripped off and oiled herself up right next to him…

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  4. Trouble Man (8 comments) says:

    The only “gaysex fanaticists” are putatively heterosexual hyperconservatives who spend more time thinking about gay sex than open homosexuals.

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  5. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    She was very much in my thoughts about 20 minutes later when I went back to my hotel room for a much needed nap.

    I’m sure she was. A nap indeed.

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  6. Harriet (4,969 comments) says:

    Actually, I’ll take that first part back[ I misread it] as he is right!

    Religion IS what saves gays from that lifestyle, as they can have a ‘whole of life change’. The religions have the best record for helping gays get away!

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  7. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    If it’s only the Gordon Copelands of this world who are opposed to the redefinition of marriage, why is it that GayNZ, one of the most vocal pro-change groups, is so afraid of a referendum on the issue?

    I’ll tell you the answer-

    There is serious opposition to this bill from people from all walks of life.

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  8. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    And I would be really surprised if the topless girl actually happened. There are frequent and highly visible warnings just about everywhere in Thailand, particularly around the pools, about nudity. The Thais are a lovely people, and this is one thing they take really seriously. Up there with keep that drug shit to yourself, and make a negative comment about the king, kiss your freedom goodbye.

    The rantings of a religious nutter.

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  9. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    Ahh.. bhudson, rocking along with Shane Jones..!

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  10. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Red,

    I think you will find it was Gordon Copeland. I’m not sure he would like you calling him that…

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  11. RRM (9,919 comments) says:

    Shane Jones??!?

    Are you implying it may have been a fap, rather than a nap?

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  12. Pete George (23,559 comments) says:

    If it’s only the Gordon Copelands of this world who are opposed to the redefinition of marriage,

    I don’t think anyone claims that. There’s a lot of ordinary people opposed to the bill (as there are for it) – but nutty comments like those from Copeland don’t help the argument he supports. Ridicule can taint a much wider target.

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  13. David Garrett (7,272 comments) says:

    I sometimes make a bit of noise when I have a “nap” like Gordon felt the need to, either with some else if I am lucky or alone if necessary…I suppose someone listening could even interpret said gutteral noise as “praise of God”….

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  14. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    Geez Dave, too much information.

    Already knew you were a wanker.

    Don’t need the sordid detail.

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  15. Urban Redneck (234 comments) says:

    If anyone wants to see where all of this normalization of sexual libertinism is leading, look no further than the homosexual subculture of “bug chasing”. Yes, bug chasers are male homosexuals who proactively seek out being infected with the HIV virus. Reporter Gregory A Freeman reported on this in Rolling Stone magazine back in February of 2006. In the world of these people, the HIV virus is not something to be feared and loathed, instead it is coveted and eroticised. HIV infected semen is like liquid gold to these people, HIV infected men who perform the sodomy are referred to as “gift givers” and infected semen as “bug juice”

    People may wonder would would drive these homosexuals to such extremes, but in reality the answer is quite simple. Male homosexuals are really “pan sexual”, they seek sexual gratification at any time by any means possible, and when you’ve tried everything else from fisting, felching, rimming, scat, golden showers, mud rolling and sado-masochism, then deliberately infecting ones-self with HIV represents the ultimate taboo and sexual rush.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugchasing

    [DPF: Well done you've discovered there are some fucked up gay men. There are also some fucked up straight men. Do you have any research on what the prevalence of bug chasing is? 0.01% maybe?]

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  16. East Wellington Superhero (1,151 comments) says:

    About a month ago (from memory) DPF almost slammed me with demerit points because I criticised him for highlighting foolish anti-SSM people instead of debating the actual issues. DPF said he’d aired the issue from all angles so I went back and checked. Of the 25 articles tagged with “same-sex-marriage” none take a serious look at the opposition’s view on the issue – but there is plenty of time to air the comments/views of idiots.

    Then today, in this post about his oral submission on the bill DPF devotes 75% of the space to Gordon Copeland.

    Given the interesting aspects of this debates free-choices of individuals, so-called “equality”, free religious expression, courts decisions around the world on both sides of the argument, the dearth of robust empirical evidence on this issue, why does DPF feel it necessary lampoon Gordon Copeland instead of actually have debate on this issue?

    [DPF: Stop whining and lying. I did three major articles before the first reading on the reasons I thought the bill should be supported. I blogged my submission which was an ability to debate the issues. I've even given a guest post to someone from the other side. I also blogged earlier today my dislike of what happened in the US to someone who donated to a call for a referendum.

    Of course I mock the views of people who say really stupid things. Not my fault so many of them agree with you. ]

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  17. David Garrett (7,272 comments) says:

    Have you still got your tooled hardhat Russell?

    Got a few pics of you on the brake on some shitty land rig in PNG up on your wall?

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  18. RRM (9,919 comments) says:

    Well, we all know how accurate Wikipedia is.

    Here for example is a page on Wiki claiming that Foghorn Leghorn is “also known as” Nick Wheeler, the lead guitarist of All-American Rejects…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Foghorn_Leghorn.png

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  19. kowtow (8,464 comments) says:

    Yep let’s debate the man ,not the issue.

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  20. RmW (18 comments) says:

    I’d never seen his comments about a topless girl at the Oriental in Bangkok. He must be having a laugh. Having stayed at the Oriental on dozens of occasions there is one thing you would never, ever see at their pool and that is a topless girl. It just would never happen. Either he stayed at another, more sifty, hotel (even then it wouldn’t pass muster anywhere I’ve ever been in Bangkok) or he simply fabricated it to paint some sort of picture of sin.

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  21. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    …”Yep let’s debate the man ,not the issue.”…..

    Might as well…..after all it may delay a few deaths from boredom. We’ve heard the same vacuous arguments repeated ad nauseam by your lot & so far as I can tell you haven’t a single convert to show for your efforts.

    When’s the wedding?

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  22. Chuck Bird (4,883 comments) says:

    “[DPF: Well done you've discovered there are some fucked up gay men. There are also some fucked up straight men. Do you have any research on what the prevalence of bug chasing is? 0.01% maybe?]”

    If the prevalence of bug chasing is 0.01% in homosexual community it would be 0.00001% amongst heterosexuals. We all have heard of a few HIV+ heterosexuals deliberating infecting their partners but has anyone heard of a heterosexual deliberately becoming infected. I sure as hell haven’t.

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  23. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    or he simply fabricated it to paint some sort of picture of sin.

    Hers or his?

    After all, she was still in his thoughts some 20 minutes later.

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  24. David Garrett (7,272 comments) says:

    RmW: Sort of reminds me of those street preachers who were always “really bad bastards” before they found God…

    That excerpt from Gordos autobiography is screamingly funnny though, eh?

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  25. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    Beats me how a food delivery system for babies is so unsettling that it would send a God botherer off to his room for a quiet wank.

    If he saw some of the better tricks involving table tennis balls he’d rub himself raw.

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  26. iMP (2,385 comments) says:

    Spot the insecure worldview:

    1. Generally-speaking Conservatives debate the issues.
    2. Liberals attack those who disagree with them and seek to demonize them personally.

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  27. kowtow (8,464 comments) says:

    nasska…….man of the world,seen it, done it,knows it all!

    How’s yer bum?

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  28. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    …”How’s yer bum?”…..

    Nice of you to ask. “Virginal” would best describe it thanks ‘kowtow’. :)

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  29. Andrei (2,651 comments) says:

    “Gay” marriage is so absurd, off the planet bonkers in fact, that those that support it resort to cherry picking the writings of those who see through this farce to make them seem odd and extreme.

    Th reason is of course there is no rational reason for this absurdity only some vague appeal to the “right” to get married to whoever or whatever you choose.

    Of course “gay” marriage” is usually supported by the same crazies who think that the farts of diary cows in the Waikato are melting the North Pole and other equally lunatic ideas.

    It is all part of the intellectual decline of this country that such silliness is taken seriously and not treated with the attention it deserves – DERISION

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  30. iMP (2,385 comments) says:

    “Oral” “Submission” “Same-Sex.” Double entendre alert.

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  31. wat dabney (3,756 comments) says:

    “Spot the insecure worldview”

    It’s yours, clearly.

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  32. Azreal (15 comments) says:

    It’s people like Gordon Copeland, Urban Redneck and good old Redbaiter that put me off calling myself a “conservative” or “right of centre” as no way do I want to be likened to those God botherers. Yet fiscally and politically I agree with them. It’s a dilemma that I think many of us have. I voted for ACT before they lost the plot, but no way would I vote NZ Conservative party with a fruit loop like Colin Craig running it. Quite honestly I put him in the same category as the mullahs in back blocks Afghanistan. I suspect this is the reason the Republicans lost in the US.

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  33. Azreal (15 comments) says:

    Whoops, sorry Andrei, I forgot to include you in my list of zealots.

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  34. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    Azreal

    You’re not alone. Quite a few of us who haunt this blog are fiscally conservative but socially liberal. Conversely Colin Craig who is touted as the ultimate conservative would be comfortable in any left wing party so long as he was able to force his morality down our throats.

    Don’t worry about Reddy….he’s not really as one with the real world but we keep him as a pet. :)

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  35. coolas (115 comments) says:

    Support marriage equality or we’ll marry your girlfriends.

    http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6846855/gay-men-will-marry-your-girlfriends

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  36. kowtow (8,464 comments) says:

    Someone (sagely) on another post made the point that if more people were socially conservative (like they used to be) ,there wouldn’t be so much taxpayer money going down the shitter, fixing problems the progressive agenda has forced or insinuated into society.

    Social conservativism is a positive. “Progressives” are socialists in drag…….oops, are we allowed to say that any more? Progressives are also against free speech.

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  37. Andrei (2,651 comments) says:

    I guess retaining critical thinking in the face of the moronic mooing mob counts as zealotry in these enlightened times Azreal.

    Not behaving like a reef fish and agreeing the latest stupid fads just because airheads like Ellen Degeneres and Alison Mau want you to go along with them makes one a zealot. Listening to those bubble brains is what makes makes you stupid IMHO and not realizing that the stork doesn’t bring babies but it takes a man and a woman to create them, which is why we have marriage, to encourage men and women to create and raise children not to licence sexual deviancy is a sign of utter craziness of the first order.

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  38. East Wellington Superhero (1,151 comments) says:

    Three DPF follow-up comment on one post. That’s got to be a record. Must have touched a nerve. DPF’s Kiwiblog is probably second-to-none is NZ but I do feel a degree of disappointment with his bias on certain issues.

    Also, I don’t think I was lyin about you lack of debate on this. When I’m off my phone I’ll search for the post you refer to.

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  39. nasska (11,491 comments) says:

    kowtow

    It could also be argued that if we didn’t keep pushing money at problems that develop then 99% of those problems would disappear very quickly. The socialists’ keep bankrolling the actions of ferals & then sit round like stunned mullet wondering why crap behaviour snowballs.

    To be fiscally conservative means letting people take responsibility for their own lives. To be socially liberal is to recognise that we are each given one life, that it is ours to enjoy or ruin & that your opinions & morals carry no more weight than those of any one else.

    As for free speech, I’m all for it…..fill ya boots.

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  40. big bruv (13,887 comments) says:

    “There is serious opposition to this bill from people from all walks of life.”

    While there might be some opposition it is clear that the majority of people in NZ support the bill.

    Get over it.

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  41. Shunda barunda (2,983 comments) says:

    It’s people like Gordon Copeland, Urban Redneck and good old Redbaiter that put me off calling myself a “conservative” or “right of centre” as no way do I want to be likened to those God botherers.

    Why would you be “linked” to anyone? do you struggle to be an individual?

    Yet fiscally and politically I agree with them. It’s a dilemma that I think many of us have.

    The dilemma of being an ignorant intolerant bigot? because that’s what you sound like. I agree it is a dilemma though.

    I voted for ACT before they lost the plot, but no way would I vote NZ Conservative party with a fruit loop like Colin Craig running it. Quite honestly I put him in the same category as the mullahs in back blocks Afghanistan.

    Oh what utter bullshit.
    Mullahs?? seriously?

    If you weren’t so inextricably attached to modern social progressive spin, you might actually find comfort in the fact that all the individuals you mentioned are honest and completely upfront with their beliefs and respective ideology, unlike the social liberals that seem to have ‘Triojan horse making’ down to a fine art and use manipulation and deceit as their modus operandi.

    Your problem is more likely personal insecurity and confusion, with an intolerant disposition toward those with slightly different views, I reckon that’s your real dilemma.

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  42. Lucia Maria (2,428 comments) says:

    It was very brave of Gordon Copeland to make public his struggle with temptation and consequent wrestle with the devil. Having experienced full on a demonic attack myself (I was physically sick for two days afterwards), I can tell you that it’s no mocking matter.

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  43. big bruv (13,887 comments) says:

    “Having experienced full on a demonic attack myself”

    Seems to me that you are still in the midst of it given your disgusting views about IVF and your assertion that Priests should not pass on anything they hear about child abuse during confession.

    Once again you think the corrupt and evil Catholic church is more important than keeping our kids safe from your church and your religion.

    Oh…and as for experiencing a “demonic attack”, well it is a laughing matter. Frankly it is hilarious that you should believe that such a thing exists.

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  44. Ryan Sproull (7,144 comments) says:

    If someone wants to express an urge to do something that is contrary to their personal morality as a demonic attack, what’s the harm? It’s not functionally that much different from thinking, “Oop, gotta resist the neurotransmitters on this one.”

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  45. MrTips (96 comments) says:

    One can only conclude that Farrar’s submission was so boring and mockable, that in a fit of shamed pique, he felt a need to take his humiliation out on Mr Copeland.

    LOL. I love your posts BigBruv. So fantastical and great works of fiction.

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  46. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    “Christians are against abortion. They’re against homosexuals….well who is less likely to have an abortion than homosexuals? Leave these fucking people alone! These are people guaranteed NEVER to have an abortion! You’d think they make natural allies…”

    George Carlin

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  47. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Lucia

    Eating a bad pie is NOT a demonic attack.

    And I must have spoken with a hundred people on the phone and in person today and gues what was not on anyones lips? Gay marriage – no one who has a life and is out there doing normal human stuff gives a flying fuck about this bill, no one.

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  48. hmmokrightitis (1,590 comments) says:

    “Oh…and as for experiencing a “demonic attack”, well it is a laughing matter. Frankly it is hilarious that you should believe that such a thing exists.”

    You’ve clearly not met my ex wifes mother BB. :p

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  49. David Garrett (7,272 comments) says:

    Hmmno: forget your ex wife’s mother…my own bloody mother was bad enough…

    Lucia: did you find yourself compelled to do interesting things with a crucifix, and notice your voice much deeper than usual? While the demon was still in situ I mean…

    Ryan: I believe a psychiatrist would disagree with you…one is resisting something you believe you shouldnt do, the other is suffering from delusions and/or hallucinations…both manifestations of serious mental illness…

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  50. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    Garret, Lucia is a lady and a mother. She deserves better than that. While I don’t expect anything different from the ignorant Bigot Bruv you should know better.

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  51. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    It’s okay to talk to God; that’s prayer. It’s only when he answers that you are suffering from an attack of religious mania.

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  52. chiz (1,144 comments) says:

    Hallucinations are a lot more common than many people think, and they don’t always imply mental health issues.

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  53. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    Indeed; only some forms of extreme adherence to arbitrary dogma actually qualify as forms of psychosis.

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  54. Ryan Sproull (7,144 comments) says:

    Ryan: I believe a psychiatrist would disagree with you…one is resisting something you believe you shouldnt do, the other is suffering from delusions and/or hallucinations…both manifestations of serious mental illness…

    Depends. Evangelical Christians are often told that the feeling you or I would call “resisting something you believe you shouldn’t do” is a demonic attack – as in, that’s what demonic attacks feel like. Nothing seen, no voices heard, just that same feeling.

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  55. the conservative (66 comments) says:

    I just love this nonsense. As so many have said, such as DF, that the world is changing in respect to gay marriage. I read in the Herald that DF said gay marriage won’t even be an issue in 25 years. But that is not the point; to simply say the world is changing is a non-argument. What we have got to look at is the big picture; what the world (New Zealand) will be like in 25 years compared to now. Will gay marriage enhance society or detract from it? To answer that question we only have to look at solo parenting; has that enhanced society? The answer is simply ‘no’ so why do we have to push for more nonsense? At some point we have to learn that discrimination is good; that discriminating against gay marriage will overall benefit society.

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  56. mikenmild (11,247 comments) says:

    When was solo parenting invented again?

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  57. Shunda barunda (2,983 comments) says:

    I spent a lot of time in a Pentecostal church, met lots of pentecostal preachers through my padre father in law, and saw A LOT OF SHIT.

    I have come to the conclusion that 90% of it was due to an incredibly manipulative state that skilled preachers are able to achieve when ‘submission’ is forthcoming from parishioners.

    10% of it is as yet lacking an adequate material explanation.

    I am very reluctant to say that there isn’t a more ‘spiritual’ component to existence, I have seen some very hard to explain occurrences and would never reject the possibility these could be evidence of a spiritual dimension, despite the destructive things I experienced in church.

    We are limited by our biology in how much we can comprehend, we should all remember that and realize there could be more to our existence than currently meets the eye.

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  58. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    What’s with the term “beautiful girl”, how old is Copeland?

    Only “boys” go around without their tops on in hotel pools.

    This makes one question where he saw this person topless before returning to their hotel room “alone”.

    And was this person really female?

    Maybe the wrestling occured once it became apparent this person was pissing like a boy in the bathroom after leaving the bedroom.

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  59. kowtow (8,464 comments) says:

    bigot bruv says a majority of Aotearoans are in favour…….

    the only way,and the right way to test that is,yep,a referedum. So why not?

    Sorry, can’t allow an electorate to decide for itself in a “progressive” democracy now can we?

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  60. the conservative (66 comments) says:

    I just found out the other day that the select committee, for oral presentations, consists of six people; so six people decide if gay marriage is okay or not???? What form of democracy is that? So as Kowtow says, the only way is a referendum.

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  61. SPC (5,619 comments) says:

    Actually they receive submissions on behalf of parliament, report back to it, before MP’s consider (next step) moving onto the next stage of enacting legislation.

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  62. BlairM (2,339 comments) says:

    Were I so inclined, I could use very flowery language to describe my own spiritual struggles, but everyone who seeks to follow Jesus has those, and people who use such language are not so much about glorifying God as they are making themselves the hero in some epic metaphysical struggle. Copeland should get over himself, and judging from some who have been to said hotel, should avoid breaking one commandment to advocate keeping another.

    None of this means that DPF should have regurgitated something up from four years ago to attack him. His submission stands or falls on its own merits. Attacking Copeland’s submission today by mentioning something he wrote four years ago is cowardly. It’s the sort of thing the Left do to avoid debating the issues at hand.

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  63. big bruv (13,887 comments) says:

    “Lucia is a lady and a mother. She deserves better than that.”

    A lady she ain’t.

    Anybody who thinks that heterosexual couples should be denied the benefits of modern science to become parents is sick.
    Anybody who thinks that couples of the same sex should be denied the chance to marry is a bigot.
    Anybody who thinks that they have the right to tell the rest of us how to live because of what is written in a book of fiction is mad.
    Anybody who thinks that it is more important to protect the corrupt and evil Catholic church than it is to protect kids from pedophiles is pure evil.
    Anybody who thinks they have experienced a “demonic attack” should be locked up in a loony bin.

    The only thing that she deserves is for people to point and laugh at her.

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  64. Chuck Bird (4,883 comments) says:

    “Anybody who thinks that couples of the same sex should be denied the chance to marry is a bigot.”

    Anyone who thinks that people who hold a different opinion than them is a bigot is a bigot themselves.

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  65. David Garrett (7,272 comments) says:

    Well, we are all “Up and at ‘em” this morning!!

    I think Russell (Red) is of that generation of men who were fawningly polite in the presence of women (“hey! ladies present!”) but thought of them – except their own mothers of course – as vapid playthings about whom they could and did say anything were they weren’t there..

    But I am well off topic.. Red’s such fun though isnt he? Just as much fun as Ure without the almost uncontrollable annoyance at the ellispis fest that were his posts..

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  66. ChardonnayGuy (1,206 comments) says:

    Er, could I point out that the LGBT community isn’t the only one that dislikes the idea of wasteful binding referenda being used on all and sundry matters of public policy? So does our current Prime Minister, on the basis that they’ve virtually bankrupted the Californian state economy and made it fiscally unmanageable. So does the Maxim Institute, formerly on the Christian Right. So do many conservative Catholics, who don’t like them because of their role in introducing and maintaining access to euthanasia and assisted suicide in Switzerland and the United States.

    And why is that all of the advocates of these things seem to have never served in public office and had positions of allocative responsibility when it comes to public health, education and other social services? Where are the potty plebiscite-mongers going to get the money from? And as I’ve said repeatedly, I object to all CIRs- including the one that Labour and the Greens seem intent on holding on asset sales. I think the CIR Act 1993 was a mistake and it should be repealed, or else limited to genuine areas of public concern like criminal justice policy.

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  67. ChardonnayGuy (1,206 comments) says:

    And let me say I don’t blame some of the centre-right bloggers here for rejecting Colin Craig and his Conservative Party (sic). As I’ve pointed out before, the guy goes both ways :) when it comes to asset sales. The Nats deserve better than to have a prehensile coalition partner who does Vicki Pollard impersonations when it comes to its core fiscal policy ie
    “What’s your stance on asset sales, Mr Craig?”
    “Yeah but no but yeah but no but…”

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  68. Shunda barunda (2,983 comments) says:

    Anyone who thinks that people who hold a different opinion than them is a bigot, is a bigot themselves.

    Well noted.

    It is a real shame that those here that claim to be ‘social liberals’ are in fact usually just ‘arrogant bigots’ with a tendency to scapegoat whole sections of society and join their left wing comrades in the ‘shouting down’ of any and all opposition no matter how civil said opposition actually is.

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  69. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    “Er, could I point out that the LGBT community”

    Oh for fuck’s sake. Change the fucking record will ya.

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  70. Shunda barunda (2,983 comments) says:

    A lady she ain’t.

    Anybody who thinks that heterosexual couples should be denied the benefits of modern science to become parents is sick.

    Anyone that shuts down debate on the philosophy of how science is used is a fool.

    Anybody who thinks that couples of the same sex should be denied the chance to marry is a bigot.

    No actually, anyone that writes the way you just did fits the definition of bigotry perfectly.

    Anybody who thinks that they have the right to tell the rest of us how to live because of what is written in a book of fiction is mad.

    Perhaps, but they do have the right to have their say none the less.

    Anybody who thinks that it is more important to protect the corrupt and evil Catholic church than it is to protect kids from pedophiles is pure evil.

    Yet people are happy to protect big tobacco on ‘principle’.

    Anybody who thinks they have experienced a “demonic attack” should be locked up in a loony bin.

    As should anyone that talks to dogs like they’re people, thinks ‘sensing murder’ is real, believes in chem trails, homeopathy, Feng shui, earthquake weather……….people believe all sorts of crap, most people should be locked up by your definition.

    The only thing that she deserves is for people to point and laugh at her.

    I think that about people that frequent dog shows :)

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  71. ChardonnayGuy (1,206 comments) says:

    And of course, religious social conservatives have never attacked the right to freedom of speech and expression themselves? Two words:
    Patricia Bartlett.
    Also, three more:
    Graham Capill.
    And here’s another one:
    Hypocrites.

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  72. Shunda barunda (2,983 comments) says:

    And of course, religious social conservatives have never attacked the right to freedom of speech and expression themselves?

    So you use this as a justification for removing the rights of others to the same “freedom of speech and expression “?

    You sir, are a bigot.

    Payback is not a valid reason to silence your opposition in a free and liberal society.

    Pour yourself another glass of Chardonnay and have a think about it.

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  73. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    ChatteringGay, you need to educate yourself on the definition of free speech. At the moment, your concept of that valuable entity is apparently no different to that which a child might hold.

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  74. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    I think that same sex couples should be allowed to have children.

    I think that the government should be authorised to video their attempts to do same.

    I think the government could sell such footage to “Histories Greatest Fuckups” or similar on the Living Channel.

    Lets face it we need something on TV that isn’t bloody boring! :)

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  75. Shunda barunda (2,983 comments) says:

    Lets face it we need something on TV that isn’t bloody boring!

    Do what I did then Johnboy, turn the bastard off.

    When the tele signal went digital last month, that was the end of it, no dish = no tv. No more swearing at John Campbell, no more constant background noise, Kids becoming much more creative, reading more and basically a lower stress household.

    The internet provides everything anyone needs for news and information.

    We are now an MSM free household! :)

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  76. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    “We are now an MSM free household!”

    Same here- best thing you can ever do for political clarity.

    (Listening to downloaded version of the Mark Levin Show through my Bluetooth cordless earbuds on my Galaxy Note.)

    TV is just blah.

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  77. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    Quite right Shunda.

    Haven’t watched the peoples channels for years.

    Surprised they haven’t sacked that funny looking little knaff Campbell years ago.

    How the fuck a major peasants entertainer could employ a bloke with eyes as close together as his always had me fucked! :)

    Keep up the good work. Your sprogs will grow up even smarter than you!!! :)

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  78. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    Thought you only listened to Fox Red?

    Fucking commies white noising my reception!!! :)

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  79. Redbaiter (8,823 comments) says:

    I’ve given up on Fox Johnny, too many whining liberals, and O’Reilly is just a boofhead.

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  80. Shunda barunda (2,983 comments) says:

    Keep up the good work. Your sprogs will grow up even smarter than you!!!

    Well I hope so, they will probably have to look after me and the missus in our old age the way things are going! :)

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  81. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    Yes Shunda. Us babyboomers seem to be becoming the new lepers I see! :)

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  82. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    Still love your stuff Red. Stay staunch! :)

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  83. Harriet (4,969 comments) says:

    Johnboy#

    I’ve decided to no longer call myself a hetrosexual – but a natural order sexual! :cool:

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  84. Johnboy (16,529 comments) says:

    I’m happy to take your sexuality in any particular order you see fit Harriet ! :)

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  85. ChardonnayGuy (1,206 comments) says:

    Johnboy: Sweet Gaia, why???!!!

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