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		<title>By: ChardonnayGuy</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/11/taliban_leader_killed.html/comment-page-1#comment-1053341</link>
		<dc:creator>ChardonnayGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sure all of us share that hope, David, but the Taliban and al Qaeda itself are not particularly centralised organisations. They tend to have cellular leadership structures, which may mean that there will be additional casualties in the remaining months of New Zealand&#039;s presence in that theatre.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure all of us share that hope, David, but the Taliban and al Qaeda itself are not particularly centralised organisations. They tend to have cellular leadership structures, which may mean that there will be additional casualties in the remaining months of New Zealand&#8217;s presence in that theatre.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Funny how so many of you take for granted that they got the right man. Reportedly it was an Afghan led operation working on information gathered by the SAS. I&#039;d be curious to know how the investigation was conducted, what with the language barrier and all. Whole thing smells imo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how so many of you take for granted that they got the right man. Reportedly it was an Afghan led operation working on information gathered by the SAS. I&#8217;d be curious to know how the investigation was conducted, what with the language barrier and all. Whole thing smells imo.</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/11/taliban_leader_killed.html/comment-page-1#comment-1053296</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes you are right, I have work tomorrow so do need to go to bed.  You stay up burning union members tithes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes you are right, I have work tomorrow so do need to go to bed.  You stay up burning union members tithes.</p>
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		<title>By: ross69</title>
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		<dc:creator>ross69</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[expat

Thanks for that helpful contribution. It&#039;s past your bedtime.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>expat</p>
<p>Thanks for that helpful contribution. It&#8217;s past your bedtime.</p>
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		<title>By: expat</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/11/taliban_leader_killed.html/comment-page-1#comment-1053294</link>
		<dc:creator>expat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 09:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ross, go and live in Afghanistan yar.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ross, go and live in Afghanistan yar.</p>
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		<title>By: ross69</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/11/taliban_leader_killed.html/comment-page-1#comment-1053293</link>
		<dc:creator>ross69</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 08:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“The Taliban and al-Qaeda remain distinct groups with different goals, ideologies, and sources of recruits; there was considerable friction between them before September 11, 2001, and today that friction persists.”

http://www.cic.nyu.edu/afghanistan/docs/gregg_sep_tal_alqaeda.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“The Taliban and al-Qaeda remain distinct groups with different goals, ideologies, and sources of recruits; there was considerable friction between them before September 11, 2001, and today that friction persists.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cic.nyu.edu/afghanistan/docs/gregg_sep_tal_alqaeda.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cic.nyu.edu/afghanistan/docs/gregg_sep_tal_alqaeda.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: ross69</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/11/taliban_leader_killed.html/comment-page-1#comment-1053289</link>
		<dc:creator>ross69</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 08:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[DPF: Apart from all those who die in terrorist attacks, if the Taliban protected Al Qaeda were left to carry on their work post 9/11]

Actually the Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11...and they don&#039;t particularly like Al Qaeda. You need to read more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[DPF: Apart from all those who die in terrorist attacks, if the Taliban protected Al Qaeda were left to carry on their work post 9/11]</p>
<p>Actually the Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11&#8230;and they don&#8217;t particularly like Al Qaeda. You need to read more.</p>
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		<title>By: Reid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 08:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Pretty sure it was Helen Clark that walked onto the marae at Te Kaha just behind our VC winner, not John Key, just mentioning thats all&lt;/i&gt;

Not the same as breaking the no comment on operations policy Paul. Not the same thing at all.

&lt;i&gt;Nice story Reid. Got any evidence to back it up?&lt;/i&gt;

No but if you factor in the tribal retribution mindset in the Taliban, is the scenario far-fetched? Bearing in mind this IED did happen after the incident where our patrol took prisoners in the original squirmish and handed them over.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Pretty sure it was Helen Clark that walked onto the marae at Te Kaha just behind our VC winner, not John Key, just mentioning thats all</i></p>
<p>Not the same as breaking the no comment on operations policy Paul. Not the same thing at all.</p>
<p><i>Nice story Reid. Got any evidence to back it up?</i></p>
<p>No but if you factor in the tribal retribution mindset in the Taliban, is the scenario far-fetched? Bearing in mind this IED did happen after the incident where our patrol took prisoners in the original squirmish and handed them over.</p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 07:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice story Reid. Got any evidence to back it up?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice story Reid. Got any evidence to back it up?</p>
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		<title>By: RightNow</title>
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		<dc:creator>RightNow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 07:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought it was the media being dicks again Reid, like when they published Apiata&#039;s photo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it was the media being dicks again Reid, like when they published Apiata&#8217;s photo.</p>
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		<title>By: mikenmild</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/11/taliban_leader_killed.html/comment-page-1#comment-1053278</link>
		<dc:creator>mikenmild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 07:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It will take some time to assess whether a changed prime ministerial attitude to some aspects of military security re4ally had that much effect. It&#039;s a valid debating point, Reid, but I don&#039;t know that the answer is that clear yet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will take some time to assess whether a changed prime ministerial attitude to some aspects of military security re4ally had that much effect. It&#8217;s a valid debating point, Reid, but I don&#8217;t know that the answer is that clear yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Pauleastbay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pauleastbay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 07:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reid
&lt;blockquote&gt;There was a reason why even Hulun didn’t capitalise on the SAS’ antics&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Pretty sure it was Helen Clark that walked onto the marae at Te Kaha just behind our VC winner, not John Key, just mentioning thats all]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reid</p>
<blockquote><p>There was a reason why even Hulun didn’t capitalise on the SAS’ antics</p></blockquote>
<p>Pretty sure it was Helen Clark that walked onto the marae at Te Kaha just behind our VC winner, not John Key, just mentioning thats all</p>
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		<title>By: Reid</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/11/taliban_leader_killed.html/comment-page-1#comment-1053274</link>
		<dc:creator>Reid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 07:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From a security perspective there should have been no response at all to this killing. No announcement. No media coverage. Complete silence.

What about this don&#039;t you guys get. There was a reason why even Hulun didn&#039;t capitalise on the SAS&#039; antics. Key, the idiot, decided to do it because it was &quot;boyishly exciting&quot; and &quot;cool&quot; in both his and voters eyes, but he, and most voters, failed to recognise this is Pandora&#039;s Box. You can&#039;t open it a little bit. Fucking d&#039;oh.

What this coverage and whole incident from when it first happened for Key misplayed his publicity hand re: SAS there too, till today shows, is that the public are incredibly naive about the threat profile represented by the modern world. Incredibly naive. If anyone doesn&#039;t think all of this story from when it started up to today, with Key&#039;s naive release, hasn&#039;t penetrated to the most evil people on the planet, they&#039;re kidding. So they&#039;re looking at this and wondering, should we make an example of this, or not.

Let&#039;s not discuss specifics of what they could or could not do but it&#039;s a fact that the highest levels of you know who would have been made aware of this from the first incident. For the killing of ours was revenge for taking some of their prisoner. It was a revenge killing. Now it&#039;s just been escalated by killing someone who has no doubt extremely rare skills which always brings serious attention. This is the security reality. So what Key has done has painted a target on us, which they may or may not chose to enact at any time into the future. Der. And he didn&#039;t even have to, if he&#039;d kept to the same wise policy as practised by every single one of his forebears.

Because if he&#039;d never talked about the SAS he wouldn&#039;t ever have announced the prisoners that were captured for which our soldiers were killed in retaliation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a security perspective there should have been no response at all to this killing. No announcement. No media coverage. Complete silence.</p>
<p>What about this don&#8217;t you guys get. There was a reason why even Hulun didn&#8217;t capitalise on the SAS&#8217; antics. Key, the idiot, decided to do it because it was &#8220;boyishly exciting&#8221; and &#8220;cool&#8221; in both his and voters eyes, but he, and most voters, failed to recognise this is Pandora&#8217;s Box. You can&#8217;t open it a little bit. Fucking d&#8217;oh.</p>
<p>What this coverage and whole incident from when it first happened for Key misplayed his publicity hand re: SAS there too, till today shows, is that the public are incredibly naive about the threat profile represented by the modern world. Incredibly naive. If anyone doesn&#8217;t think all of this story from when it started up to today, with Key&#8217;s naive release, hasn&#8217;t penetrated to the most evil people on the planet, they&#8217;re kidding. So they&#8217;re looking at this and wondering, should we make an example of this, or not.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not discuss specifics of what they could or could not do but it&#8217;s a fact that the highest levels of you know who would have been made aware of this from the first incident. For the killing of ours was revenge for taking some of their prisoner. It was a revenge killing. Now it&#8217;s just been escalated by killing someone who has no doubt extremely rare skills which always brings serious attention. This is the security reality. So what Key has done has painted a target on us, which they may or may not chose to enact at any time into the future. Der. And he didn&#8217;t even have to, if he&#8217;d kept to the same wise policy as practised by every single one of his forebears.</p>
<p>Because if he&#8217;d never talked about the SAS he wouldn&#8217;t ever have announced the prisoners that were captured for which our soldiers were killed in retaliation.</p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 06:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Exactly mm. We basically had to take part and we have done so. We got the result I expected.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly mm. We basically had to take part and we have done so. We got the result I expected.</p>
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		<title>By: mikenmild</title>
		<link>http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2012/11/taliban_leader_killed.html/comment-page-1#comment-1053265</link>
		<dc:creator>mikenmild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 06:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[New Zealand&#039;s achievement in Afghanistan has been to prove our reliability as an ally of the US, UK and Australia. Nothing more, nothing less. Our military has done its job as an effective instrument of state policy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New Zealand&#8217;s achievement in Afghanistan has been to prove our reliability as an ally of the US, UK and Australia. Nothing more, nothing less. Our military has done its job as an effective instrument of state policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 06:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The three kiwis soldiers died for nothing, as did all the other dead soldiers. They have not helped the people, or improved the country, with their occupation. The propaganda we are fed tells us about how the Kiwis have helped improve things. But the interpreters helping the kiwis were not convinced, were they?  

It is a study in failure with no redeeming features at all. The war is unnecessary and pointless. We have failed and failed miserably.

Our people have done what we asked of them and often more. I am not having &quot;a dig&quot; at our service people, only the idiots who sent them there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The three kiwis soldiers died for nothing, as did all the other dead soldiers. They have not helped the people, or improved the country, with their occupation. The propaganda we are fed tells us about how the Kiwis have helped improve things. But the interpreters helping the kiwis were not convinced, were they?  </p>
<p>It is a study in failure with no redeeming features at all. The war is unnecessary and pointless. We have failed and failed miserably.</p>
<p>Our people have done what we asked of them and often more. I am not having &#8220;a dig&#8221; at our service people, only the idiots who sent them there.</p>
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		<title>By: mikenmild</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikenmild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 06:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, well done my lovely boys. Can they come home now?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, well done my lovely boys. Can they come home now?</p>
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		<title>By: Kea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 06:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wonder if the dead Taliban leader was an old ally of the US, from back when they were supporting &amp; arming the Taliban ?

Fickle buggers those Yanks, they pulled the same stunt on their mate Saddam. This changeable and unstable behavior should serve as a caution to the, strict Muslim, Sharia law, major financier of global Islamic extremism and US ally, Saudi Arabia. (Its also where Osama Bin Laden came from, not Afghanistan.) The Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11 and have attacked no one outside of their own boarders.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the dead Taliban leader was an old ally of the US, from back when they were supporting &amp; arming the Taliban ?</p>
<p>Fickle buggers those Yanks, they pulled the same stunt on their mate Saddam. This changeable and unstable behavior should serve as a caution to the, strict Muslim, Sharia law, major financier of global Islamic extremism and US ally, Saudi Arabia. (Its also where Osama Bin Laden came from, not Afghanistan.) The Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11 and have attacked no one outside of their own boarders.</p>
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		<title>By: RRM</title>
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		<dc:creator>RRM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 05:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like to imagine Taliban members go to a very specific hell modelled loosely on their expectations of heaven...

Except that &lt;i&gt;they&#039;re&lt;/i&gt; the virgins, and a pack of seven infidel homosexuals relieve them of their arse cherries, and it happens all over again the next day...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to imagine Taliban members go to a very specific hell modelled loosely on their expectations of heaven&#8230;</p>
<p>Except that <i>they&#8217;re</i> the virgins, and a pack of seven infidel homosexuals relieve them of their arse cherries, and it happens all over again the next day&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pauleastbay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pauleastbay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 05:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dg

Just perhaps it was more the PM down playing any NZ involvement and showing the Taliban that it was locals who did the job, thereby taking some heat off our troops and maybe making them less of a target so they can  operate a bit more discreetly which is how they operated before it became fashionable for their every bowel movement to be on the news.  Just perhaps, maybe]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dg</p>
<p>Just perhaps it was more the PM down playing any NZ involvement and showing the Taliban that it was locals who did the job, thereby taking some heat off our troops and maybe making them less of a target so they can  operate a bit more discreetly which is how they operated before it became fashionable for their every bowel movement to be on the news.  Just perhaps, maybe</p>
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