Of course, there is no logic at all behind such a claim. This is simply you attempting what you believe is a superior insult and put-down. Except it’s not really very good is it.

Saudi people would be shocked at what we allow to happen here. Young women paid by the state to have babies, with no support from the father or his family. Children of those women frequently beaten to death or otherwise mistreated. A huge amount of alcohol related crime costing us billions. I could go on…

We are not an example they would wish to follow. They see us as the uncivilised barbarians. In someways I tend to agree.

your lack of vocabulary clearly marks you as uneducated, and therefore to be pitied, member of the “i’m entitled” class with nothing constructive to say and only abuse to hurl.

Such a shame.

A fucking idiot is what you are.

“I remember when my two sons declared a Universal Right to eat what they chose…While there are one or two horror stories about a woman’s life in Saudi, there are far more stories of women who are respected, well treated and happy.”

Twat.

Their culture is deeply flawed, to put it mildly.

So is ours. Men in NZ are treated with the same degree of inequality, but you just can not see it. We are a deeply anti-male society, where hard line feminist views are regarded as normal.

Here are a few more facts. Saudi men also receive very harsh sentences under the law, but all we ever hear about are the women, from pussy whipped Western men. You also take the typically ill informed and ignorant view that women are the “victims” of strict Islamic law. Many Saudi women would find that offensive DPF. Women can also be conservative Muslims and are no less strict, and in fact, frequently are more so. Women are part of this, not helpless victims that have had Islam imposed on them.

I disagree strongly with the way people are treated there. I am socially very liberal and the place appalls me. But my concern and humanity goes beyond just that part of the population I may want to sleep with. I also think we need to fix the disgusting way men are treated here in NZ, before lecturing to other, far older, cultures. We are hardly going to convince them to change, given what we have on offer. We also have the most angry and unhappy women I have ever met anywhere in the world.

Can I suggest you read the Talmud? THere you will find very detailed instructions on how a man should behave towards a woman, including some interesting instruction on arousal! If you are from a judeochristian based faith, you should know from whence it came.

Before you ask, I am a practicing Gaian.

I followed the link, and the first words that hit my eye were :

“Rights” are a moral concept

So “in olden days a glimpse of stocking was regarded as shocking, now – Heaven knows, anything goes”, and that was written when the idea of a man runnning naked through a public park would have been judged imoral by 99.999999% of the population.

So mate, what exactly are these Human Rights that you think the entire race should embrace.

LUC
as regards the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, I remember when my two sons declared a Universal Right to eat what they chose, as nobody bought the sweets they wanted to eat, and they couldn’t stand the pains of hunger, they soon reverted to what was acceptable in their “community”. Calling something Universal doesn’t mean it is abided by thruout the universe, and more than the Boston Redsox winning the World Series makes them the best team in the world!

ANNIE
I spoke to most of the women whose comments I referred to IN EUROPE! While there asre one or two horror stories about a woman’s life in Saudi, there are far more stories of women who are respected, well treated and happy. The fact that their version of happiness and yours are different doesn’t mean that yourus is right. For instance, the idea that a man can father a child and leave it forever unsupported and dependant om the State would cause most Saudi men and women to shake their heads in disbelief.

As for the “sick male orientalist fantasy started by Burton” I thought the guy’s name was Adam!

Dave Stringer (98) Says:
November 30th, 2012 at 3:56 pm

David
Having lived in Saudi I can tell you that the people who are least offended by the staus of women there are the women themselves.

I met women with degrees from London, New York, Cambridge MA, and many other places, who I expected to rebel against the “place of women” over there. THat fact that they don’t is perhaps explained by the fact that women are, ingeneral, elevated on pedestals and treated as the most precious thing imaginable.

You know, I get really really sick of men who are still in thrall to the rather sick male orientalist fantasy started by Burton. Could these women perhaps not be rebelling because of what would happen to them if they did? Nah, they love it.

DPF, how could you comment on that article without pointing out the root of the behavior is that the Saudis are simply following the teachings of Islam, as described in great detail in the Koran, which is the word of God as taken down by Mohammed and cannot therefore be changed in any way and must be adhered to exactly?

And these kinds of people are some of those that are behind the move for the UN to have control over the internet so they can enforce their views on defaming Islam (i.e. pointing out its grotesqueness) on the rest of us, and not just those within their borders.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gAKE6MwVqyA

Don’t watch, Luc. You’d find it too distressing.

Saudi Arabia is a fanatical nation ruled absolutely by one family. About the world stopped trading with this brutal dictatorship. Oh no we can’t they are nice to West and have lots of oil.

I find the Universal Declaration of Human Rights is a pretty good place to start, Dave.

Best explanation here…

http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=arc_ayn_rand_man_rights