The Hobbit hypocrites

November 27th, 2012 at 1:00 pm by David Farrar

Claire Trevett reports:

Three MPs, including its leadership team of David Shearer and Grant Robertson, will attend the red-carpet premiere of tomorrow despite strong criticism over the deal to appease the movie’s makers, Warner Bros.

The absolute hypocrites. You see it is not as if Labour just opposed the deal at the time – they have attacked it scores and scores of times over the last two years. Labour MPs rail against the deal constantly. Their policy is to reverse it. In fact their policy is to basically turn all contractors into employees, which would absolutely destroy global film production in New Zealand.

Mr Robertson denied it was hypocritical to attend the event after criticising the deal with Warner Bros which included a change to employment law to set out the legal status of film workers as contractors rather than employees. “I remain staunchly opposed to the legislation passed by the National Government in this matter. We thought it was wrong and unnecessary and still do.

Labour still seem unable to understand or accept that restrictive labour laws discourage films like this being made in New Zealand. They think you can have your cake and eat it also. Worse of all they backed the Australian union that instituted a global boycott against The Hobbit against the thousands of Kiwis who gained employment on it.

Normally I am an advocate of civility in politics, but this stinks to hell. If you see the Hobbit hypocrites on the red carpet tomorrow I encourage you to let them know what you think of their hypocrisy.

Mr Robertson said it was appropriate for him to attend – he was the MP for Wellington Central and The Hobbit had employed a large number of people in his electorate.

No thanks to you. Your union backers almost saw the film move overseas – and you backed them – and still do. Grant has a history of not backing his constituents – as when he filibustered his own local bill on behalf of the Royal Society of NZ based in his electorate.

The Green Party also criticised National at the time and a spokeswoman said none of its MPs were going.

Not hypocrites.

In 2010, the stoush was exacerbated by the Actors Unity proposing a “blacklist” on the Hobbit movies to push for a collective contract – a blacklist which was subsequently lifted. Actors Equity has said it was a scapegoat after official papers showed Mr Brownlee had advised that the real concern of Warners was the employment law change rather than a blacklist.

The very change that Labour fights against, and has vowed to repeal. They want contractors to be employees, even if the parties have agreed to be contractors, which is hideously complex and expensive for film productions.

And if you think there was no danger of The Hobbit moving, then read this:

“[Warner Bros] had sent a location scout around England and Scotland to take photos, and they literally had the script broken down to each scene, and in each scene there were pictures of the Scottish Highlands, and the forests in England… and that was to convince us we could easily just go over there and shoot the film,” he told Radio New Zealand.

All thanks to the Australian union and its supporters in NZ.

 

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72 Responses to “The Hobbit hypocrites”

  1. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    > their policy is to basically turn all contractors into employees, which would absolutely destroy global film production in New Zealand.

    The temerity of workers wanting fair pay and decent working conditions. Goodness gracious, giving workers a fair deal would likely bankrupt Warners.

    [DPF: The terms and conditions were better or the same as any other major production. Jackson ever got profit shares for many actors.The vast vast majority of those who worked on the films think they have got a very reasonable deal. It was only a few Australians and their NZ union mates who were trying to screw the production over.]

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  2. Paulus (2,672 comments) says:

    Helen Kelly is going disguised as a Hobbit – but she will be recognised.

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  3. Trouble Man (8 comments) says:

    Didn’t get an invite, then.

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  4. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    > restrictive labour laws discourage films like this being made in New Zealand.

    Hmmm that’s not what Warners have said….they wanted handouts and they got them from this weak government. Why they needed to beg for money is a little unclear. Needless to say they’ll be happy to do the right thing and pay it back if the movie does well.

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  5. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    > Your union backers almost saw the film move overseas

    It doesn’t matter how many times you repeat it, a lie is still a lie.

    [DPF: You seem to think this is true. For me, I do not think Peter Jackson is a liar. If you want to keep calling him a liar, that reflects more on you. But hey dare you to post under your real name – as you are so willing to slander Jackson]

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  6. wat dabney (3,814 comments) says:

    I can only think that ross69 is a shill for big business. He seems so upset that people should have the freedom to be self-employed.

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  7. vto (1,131 comments) says:

    mr farrar, you get less and less worth reading as time passes.

    your posts are so incredibly partisan and filled with half-truths while leaving out huge swathes of other relevant information that is unhelpful to your cause that, well, you just become less and less worth reading.

    each to their own though suppose…

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  8. RF (1,456 comments) says:

    Looks as if we have our own Hobbit Hater here. ross69. Suggest we poke it with sharp sticks to make it go away.

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  9. loonybonkersmad (27 comments) says:

    This is an absolute disgrace.

    Another slap in the face of Unions and workers rights. A flash of knickers from Warner Bros and off they go to the trough, the Three Little Pigs.

    You should be ashamed of yourselves. I always knew politicians were duplicitous scabs and this confirms it.

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  10. Hamnida (905 comments) says:

    Peter Jackson is a traitor and should be put on trial for worker-treason, animal cruelty and tax avoidance.

    I hope it pisses down with rain and razor blades tomorrow as a strong cold Southerly blows his supporters into the harbour.

    Jackson should move to Hollywood as a Key lobbyist and never return to our shores.

    [DPF: Thanks for revealing the depths of your hatred.]

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  11. Russell Brown (405 comments) says:

    Labour still seem unable to understand or accept that restrictive labour laws discourage films like this being made in New Zealand.

    This is the kind of statement that could only be made in ignorance of the labour environment in the world’s major film production markets. It’s absurd to suggest that the law or practices here are “restrictive” by comparison. It simply isn’t true.

    This post is a waste of space.

    [DPF: I didn’t say the current law was restrictive. I said the laws proposed by Labour are. Big difference]

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  12. wat dabney (3,814 comments) says:

    Another slap in the face of Unions and workers rights

    Of course these are not synonymous and, as in this case, are frequently diametrically opposed.

    Here, workers’ rights were strengthened and upheld. It was troughing union leaders who rightly got trounced.

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  13. RRM (10,034 comments) says:

    The temerity of workers wanting fair pay and decent working conditions. Goodness gracious, giving workers a fair deal would likely bankrupt Warners.

    And yet everyone who can be found who’s actually worked for Jackson on these projects seems to be happy?

    The temerity of workers choosing to be in it for themselves, instead of kowtowing to cowardly Australian gangs who are their natural and true masters! :-)

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  14. torro (14 comments) says:

    I’m a film worker and have been for 25 years. We have always been independent contractors, and happy with that. We can negotiate our own contracts, and do so based on our worth to the production. It’s free market. Which means you have to be good at what you do to stay in work. Maybe that’s why we’ve been successful…

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  15. Auberon (873 comments) says:

    Hear hear torro – and long may people like you continue making the industry so successful.

    I hope the Hobbit hating hyprocrites cop a good earful tomorrow.

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  16. Elaycee (4,410 comments) says:

    Hamfisted:

    I hope it pisses down with rain and razor blades tomorrow as a strong cold Southerly blows his supporters into the harbour.

    No invite in your letterbox, Hambone? No surprises.

    But thanks for confirming your status as a union hack. :D

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  17. RRM (10,034 comments) says:

    On a happier note…

    There should be a delicious moment when the Labour trio arrive, and have to front up to their host Sir Peter Jackson as supporters of the unions that did their damnedest to scuttle the whole party.

    He SHOULD kick them out, but I suspect he will be far too gracious for anything like that.

    We can only hope the media cameras observe it :-)

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  18. burt (8,324 comments) says:

    ross69

    Hmmm that’s not what Warners have said….they wanted handouts and they got them from this weak government. Why they needed to beg for money is a little unclear. Needless to say they’ll be happy to do the right thing and pay it back if the movie does well.

    They also got them under Labour for Lord of the Rings. But let me guess – it’s good when the red team do it and bad when the blue team do it.

    It must be hard having to live by a colour rather than via logic and reason – every 3-6 years you need to completely change your principles and make yourself look like a complete muppet – but you do it so well…..

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  19. Cunningham (846 comments) says:

    You only need to look at the angry reaction by workers towards these wanker unionists to see that their views were deeply unpopular even amongst the workers they were supposedly ‘protecting’. As for people like Hamnida you sir are an example of all that is wrong with the left. You just don’t get it do you? The vast majority of kiwis agrered with what the government did yet the left still harp on about it. No wonder they aren’t in government when they are so out of touch. Keep talking though Hamnida as it is amusing watching someone make a complete ass of themselves online.

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  20. bhudson (4,741 comments) says:

    This is the kind of statement that could only be made in ignorance of the labour environment in the world’s major film production markets.

    This is the kind of statement that could only be made in ignorance of the basis on which decisions are made – in this case as to where to film & produce. It is a collection of factors, certain advantages and disadvantages for each option, that weighed against each other to reach the final decision.

    For instance, NZ had disadvantages in terms of distance, relocation/accommodation costs for a sizable group, comparative lack of infrastructure (domestic infrastructure and also international connectivity.) It also didn’t have the extent of Large Budget Film incentives that other options offered. But it did have some LFB incentives and it did have certain advantages around the contracting of resources.

    Undermine the advantages and it changes the overall picture; it shifts the balance between the advantages and disadvantages of filming & producing here – eroding the benefits in doing so.

    It is not about a straight comparison of labour regulations between countries.

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  21. thedavincimode (6,880 comments) says:

    I hope it pisses down with rain and razor blades tomorrow as a strong cold Southerly blows his supporters into the harbour.

    Spreading the socialist love.

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  22. RRM (10,034 comments) says:
    I hope it pisses down with rain and razor blades tomorrow as a strong cold Southerly blows his supporters into the harbour.

    Spreading the socialist love.

    Holy Fark! And he appears to be serious. What a nutter…

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  23. RightNow (7,013 comments) says:

    Imagine if they had got their way, the Hobbit would either have been largely filmed overseas, or would still be held up by industrial action, and vast sums of money would have been extorted from those working on the film.
    At the end of the day, as evidenced by the people who have actually worked on Jackson’s films, the employees would rather not be in a union, not be forced to take any industrial action, not be forced to pay dues, and not have their jobs placed at risk by a group of people they didn’t elect or endorse.

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  24. scrubone (3,105 comments) says:

    > restrictive labour laws discourage films like this being made in New Zealand.

    Hmmm that’s not what Warners have said….they wanted handouts and they got them from this weak government.

    Actually, I don’t think they said either.

    But I’m pretty sure that they made it clear that they did not like the idea that contracts with independent operators could be turned into employees by the court. No one would.

    And yes, the looked for the market that made the most sense financially. We (in this case) did, and hence the money was poured into New Zealand salaries and suppliers and promoted New Zealand’s landscape. That’s what we got out of it, it wasn’t the goverment writing a big fat cheque for nothing and please stop pretending it was.

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  25. RightNow (7,013 comments) says:

    Pretending is all they have left scrubone.

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  26. scrubone (3,105 comments) says:

    I hope it pisses down with rain and razor blades tomorrow as a strong cold Southerly blows his supporters into the harbour.

    Clam down people. It’s not like it’s the first time a left-winger has uttered publically that he wants his enemies to die horrible deaths.

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  27. scrubone (3,105 comments) says:

    I should also point out that encouraging uncivil behaviour doesn’t really help our dialog, but DPF’s comments in the post do seem rather mild having read the pro-union comments.

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  28. thedavincimode (6,880 comments) says:

    scrubbers

    Yes but then history shows that they normally follow through. It’s all for the noble cause you know.

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  29. YesWeDid (1,051 comments) says:

    DPF, your rantings about the Hobbit are getting hysterical.

    Why should the film industry get special tax breaks and special labour laws and not other industries?

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  30. RF (1,456 comments) says:

    Whats Ham Bone on about now – hopes it will be pissing rain and razor blades at the parade. What a sorry sick individual.

    Just proves he supports the nasty party. You know the same party that was against the films being made here yet the leaders want to be involved in the baubles and hype of opening night. HYPOCRISY !!!!!

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  31. RightNow (7,013 comments) says:

    Are you categorically saying that no other industries get special tax breaks and special labour laws YesWeDid?

    And also answer me this, why should ‘the Arts’ get government funding? As one specific example – why should the NZSO be subsidised?

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  32. scrubone (3,105 comments) says:

    Yes but then history shows that they normally follow through. It’s all for the noble cause you know.

    Look out for someone who’s purchased bulk razer blades and hired an airplane then :D

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  33. Bullion (69 comments) says:

    [DPF: The terms and conditions were better or the same as any other major production. Jackson ever got profit shares for many actors.The vast vast majority of those who worked on the films think they have got a very reasonable deal. It was only a few Australians and their NZ union mates who were trying to screw the production over.]
    I don’t think ‘profit shares’ will amount to anything. Successful films like Forrest Gump and Return of the Jedi are yet to report profits, due to ‘Hollywood Accounting’, and has seen Forrest Gump author Winston Groom not get a cent from his ‘profit share’ deal, neither did David Prowse who played Darth Vader. If this is the case with The Hobbit, then Jackson will be doing the screwing.

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  34. scrubone (3,105 comments) says:

    Why should the film industry get special tax breaks and special labour laws and not other industries?

    Because film is:
    1. Mobile (can be done anywhere)
    2. Project based (has a fixed term)
    3. Highly visibile (unlike say… the manufacture of plastic cups)

    If you can name an industry that has those characteristics and doesn’t seek and/or get tax breaks let me know.

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  35. thedavincimode (6,880 comments) says:

    The thing that really irks me about this particular exchange is that I got a warning years ago for suggesting that it would probably be a good thing if Trevor’s brakes failed and he wound up in Lake Taupo during the Great Lake bike race. Yet hamhead can call down all manner of dreadful things upon the innocent populace with impunity.

    This raises an unfortunate question regarding the consistency of the judiciary. In the circumstances, I think it is entirely appropriate that I be granted a free one-time “Go fuck yourself Mallard you odious little prick” card.

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  36. Keeping Stock (10,443 comments) says:

    RRM said

    Holy Fark! And he appears to be serious. What a nutter…

    Quite so RRM. And I do believe that somewhere not so long ago, Hamnida said that he was (or had been) a social worker; God help his clients!

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  37. RightNow (7,013 comments) says:

    tdvm – DPF likes to keep those little toe-rags around for us to ridicule. But I support your bid for the mallard card.

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  38. thedavincimode (6,880 comments) says:

    KS

    Social worker? I wonder if he helped that old bag fleece the taxpayer out of over $200k over the last 20/30 years.

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  39. Enzo (45 comments) says:

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10695662

    See above link. Not a liar? What is he then? First it was the unions’ fault the films might have moved overseas. Then there was no connection between the blacklist and the choice of production base. Now on Morning Report this morning I heard him say he didn’t know what Warner Brothers were thinking. So which is it? Sorry, lies lies lies and I am posting under my real name.

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  40. Nookin (3,473 comments) says:

    “They also got them under Labour for Lord of the Rings. But let me guess – it’s good when the red team do it and bad when the blue team do it.”

    We should also remember that the red team gave something like $30m to that most capitalist institution known as the America’s Cup.

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  41. RightNow (7,013 comments) says:

    Enzo, go back through the KB archives from the time. Or just fuck off.

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  42. greenjacket (487 comments) says:

    “Peter Jackson is a traitor and should be put on trial for worker-treason, animal cruelty and tax avoidance.
    I hope it pisses down with rain and razor blades tomorrow as a strong cold Southerly blows his supporters into the harbour.
    Jackson should move to Hollywood as a Key lobbyist and never return to our shores.”

    Nice to know what Labour Party members really think.

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  43. The Bin Man (6 comments) says:

    TheBin Man will be Wellington for the evening. With a big farking megaphone to greet the troughing Hobbit Hypocrites.
    I can understand Robertson ignoring the hypocrisy to guzzle champagne but you would think Mumbles would want to keep his head down for a few days.

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  44. Dean Papa (784 comments) says:

    lol, poor DPF, what an obsessive little tubby man he is, still working himself up into a lather other this. But I’m struggling to see how these three MPs are hypocrites. IMO they were entitled, indeed duty bound, to oppose any deal that effectively resulted in NZ giving its arse up to Warner bros. Now, if it were the case that the Hobbit movie would really have been taken offshore then maybe there would be a case for calling them hypocrites. But since any such suggestion would be a lie, not matter how many times DPF might care to repeat that lie, I don’t see that there is any case for those three MPs to answer. Kiwiblog, for fair and balanced coverage of the Hobbit, lol!

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  45. RRM (10,034 comments) says:

    Dean Papa (172) Says:
    November 27th, 2012 at 2:50 pm

    lol, poor DPF, what an obsessive little tubby man he is…

    :lol: LOL, you’re new around here aren’t you?
    Methinks you’re about to see how far that style of “argument” gets you.

    Employers are happy, employees and contractors are happy, and as far as we can see the customers are happy too.

    In fact the only people in this story who appear to be unhappy are the unions, whose input was just not required and not wanted. And a few vocal pro-union people like you, who are all twisted out of shape by this.

    Modern labour laws have made 20th century trade unions irrelevant in New Zealand, but their entrenched interests cannot admit this..

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  46. queenstfarmer (782 comments) says:

    Just another epic, hypocritic fail by Labour, and it’s hilarious seeing the likes of Ross69 and Hamnida so stung by the huge success the of the production for NZ’s filmworkers that they are (further) reduced to petty insults.

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  47. Elaycee (4,410 comments) says:

    Let me get my head around this:

    1. Free premiere passes to a movie filmed in NZ and directed by Kiwi icon, Sir Peter Jackson.
    2. Probably free piss and nibbles.
    3. Hoping that Kiwis will have short memories and there will be no calls of: “Labour hypocrisy.”
    4. Probably free piss and nibbles.
    5. Hoping that Kiwis will forget the Union call for a global boycott.
    6. Probably free piss and nibbles.
    7. Hoping that Kiwis will forget Labour’s vehement opposition to the employment Law changes.
    8. Probably free piss and nibbles.
    9. Hoping that Kiwis will forget the support given by Labour to opponents of the film being made here.
    10. Probably free piss and nibbles.
    11. A chance to walk down the red carpet and maybe be noticed by someone (anyone).
    12. Probably free piss and nibbles.

    There are several reasons why Labour MPs would want to completely change their colours and be present at the premiere…

    These reasons are numbered 2, 4, 6, 8, 10 and 12.

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  48. RRM (10,034 comments) says:

    Elaycee –

    Although in fairness, some of us net tax paying, property-owning private citizens would go a certain distance for free piss & nibbles also… ;-)

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  49. Elaycee (4,410 comments) says:

    @RRM: True, but I doubt we’d spend months bagging something only to do a complete U turn when the freebies were being dished out.

    Jeez…. we wouldn’t do that.

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  50. RightNow (7,013 comments) says:

    especially if flights and accommodation are covered too!

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  51. Alan Johnstone (1,087 comments) says:

    I viewed the entire process as a shakedown; The labour laws didn’t stop the LOTR trilogy being made here.

    I stand to be corrected, but I don’t think the labour laws changed between then and 2009 ?

    What changed was the NZD / USD Exchange rate, from 1 NZD = US$0.39 to US$0.80

    That effectively doubled local production costs; WB got $85m of tax breaks from you and me to offset that.

    The labour relations thing was just theater

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  52. Lance (2,721 comments) says:

    Ah – all the unions wanted was fair pay and conditions, just like the Cooks and Stewards in the 1970-80’s.

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  53. ex-golfer (167 comments) says:

    Poor old Ham-fisted and ross69.
    Neither of them would know success if it bit them on the arse.
    Oh well – their poor, sad, bitter lives will get them in the end – while the rest of us enjoy the benefits of our success.
    I just wish both of them would reveal their real names and addresses – that way the poor embittered 3000 or so workers (not to mention the 1000’s of others employed in support industries) that they think they represent can thank them in person for all their hard work supporting the cause comrades.

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  54. Viking2 (11,580 comments) says:

    Matamata is getting all dressed up for the hobbits and was full of Chinese hobit lookers yesterday afternoon.

    Seemingly the leave auckland, visit the hobbitown, have a free piss and go on down to Rotorua.
    All the while looked after by Chinese van drivers.

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  55. Zapper (1,033 comments) says:

    RRM, I probably disagree with 75% of your posts but respect the way you engage nonetheless. It’s threads like these that remind me why, when ross69 and Hamnida show what the real nasty left is all about.

    Congratulations for keeping it clean, when most on the left are in the sewer.

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  56. Viking2 (11,580 comments) says:

    Any way shouldn’t all you trolls be either in Wgtn or on your way there?

    Wellington needs more trolls. han,Luc, pap dean greenjacket, et al your back stabbing foreign mates.

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  57. Ford Anglia (26 comments) says:

    Did the government hand over taxpayer’s money to Warner Brothers, or did WB get to pay less tax and keep more of their own capital? If the former, then the government deserves to be held to account and should reveal the fiscal outcome of the project so the electorate can decide.

    If the latter, the tax payer lost nothing, the government collected some tax – PAYE, ACC, GST at the very least, versus getting no incremental tax at all. Arguably it is an unwelcome dose of governmental favoritism (venture socialism?)

    Is it fundamentally better to collect no tax and have resources idle or unproductive, versus collecting some tax and having the same resources producing and contributing?

    Ford.

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  58. seanmaitland (501 comments) says:

    @Alan Johnstone – how is a tax-break being taken from “you and me”?

    Doesn’t it mean they simply pay less net tax? Given the tax generated from their employment and spending over here is an order of magnitude more than the tax break, your maths is looking very dodgy.

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  59. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    > It’s threads like these that remind me why, when ross69 and Hamnida show what the real nasty left is all about.

    In other words, you don’t like being held to account.

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  60. ross69 (3,652 comments) says:

    > how is a tax-break being taken from “you and me”?

    So if Labour spends billions on building new houses, it’s not actually taking any money from you. You must be in favour of Labour’s housing policy…

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  61. RightNow (7,013 comments) says:

    “In other words, you don’t like being held to account.”

    Account for keeping a job providing industry alive and well? I’ll stick my hand up for supporting that.

    “So if Labour spends billions on building new houses, it’s not actually taking any money from you. You must be in favour of Labour’s housing policy…”

    Duh… does the policy pay for itself? Show your working out when you answer.

    You are so fucking stupid I have to believe you must actually be a Labour MP.

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  62. RightNow (7,013 comments) says:

    So apart from all the times I’ve caught you out lying ross69, which you’ve never ever been able to provide a defense for, I have a test to measure your intelligence.
    It’s easy, it just involves a ruler and two short planks. Or three, or maybe more since I suspect you’re actually thicker than two short planks.

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  63. Ford Anglia (26 comments) says:

    Ross69 – “So if Labour spends billions on building new houses, it’s not actually taking any money from you. You must be in favour of Labour’s housing policy…”

    This statement so devoid of any logic I have to concur with RightNow.
    You must be a Labour MP – possibly heavily inebriated or mentally retarded, therefore quite difficult to identify exactly which one.

    Who is going to foot the bill for Labour’s housing policy?
    The long suffering taxpayer? Or the magical money-printing pixies at the bottom of the garden?
    You should ask Mr Goff. Apparently he has the pixies address.

    You must have been born in Manchester and steeped in proletarian class warfare as an infant to be that bitter and ignorant. What Union do you work for or represent as a matter of interest?

    Ford.

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  64. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    Labour’s housing policy is to build the houses and then sell them to recover the cost – so the bill to taxpayers is zero.

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  65. Ford Anglia (26 comments) says:

    SPC – what about the cost to the taxpayer of a new department with the required bureaucrats (accountants, economists, lawyers, architects, marketing, PR, comms, administrators, clerks, HR, IT and of course, professional Managers) and resources to design, build, manage and execute the policy?

    You know, all the good stuff state-worshiping pantie wearers get moist just thinking about.

    Plus, there has to be an office in every area that construction is taking place for union meetings and other activity.
    How many souls will there be in this new department?

    I am fairly certain all of that does not come free to the taxpayer.
    Government employees are not that charitable.

    Like all fashionable government activities there will be lashings of duplication, inefficiency, incompetence, ineffective management and PSA members (pick any current government activity as validation of those attributes).

    I suppose all of these costs will be passed onto the new home owners in the price of the house?
    How much are you wanting to sell these houses for?
    Will there be any first home buyers who can afford them?

    Of course, taxpayers will not be covering the salaries, cost and expenses of the army of of builders, electricians, plumbers, gas fitters, quantity surveyors, fluro-jacket-hard-hat-wearing-clipboard-carrying health & safety officers, project managers (and sundry) that are required to build a new home.

    Well, probably until the houses start selling at least.
    Private enterprise is not going to do it for free.
    Or will they all become state employees and PSA members as well?

    What happens when a home-owner defaults on their payments and a mortgagee sale does not recover the costs?
    Not the poor taxpayer again?

    But I guess that does not happen in Labour’s “Pixie Hollow” now does it?

    Ford.

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  66. SPC (5,787 comments) says:

    Yes Ford the increased supply will reduce the value of property – thus less CG for those who have invested in property.

    As for your problems – basically a lot of hot air signifying little

    1. It would probably cost government organising the building of 100,000 houses less per house than it would private developers developing them.
    2. yes money is invested up front before the property is sold later. The loan cost is part of the cost of the project passed on in the sale price (as it would be for any other developer – and they would be are looking for a profit on the investment as well, whereas the government is not)
    3. the person buying the house does so with a loan from a bank – that money goes to the government who sells the house. The government’s involvement is over and they have their money. Failure to pay a mortgage to a bank has nothing to do with the money paid earlier to the seller of the house.

    PS Get a warrant of fitness check. It’s not safe to post when tired.

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  67. Pauleastbay (5,035 comments) says:

    Labour’s housing policy is to build the houses and then sell them to recover the cost – so the bill to taxpayers is zero.

    from SPC and he has the gall to to tell others that they shouldn’t comment when tired.

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  68. Manolo (14,086 comments) says:

    The thieving socialists never miss a party where there is free Chardonnay.

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  69. Elaycee (4,410 comments) says:

    Had another read of the comments here this morning – there are some total morons around. Some lowlights here:

    Hamfisted:

    Peter Jackson is a traitor and should be put on trial for worker-treason, animal cruelty and tax avoidance.
    I hope it pisses down with rain and razor blades tomorrow as a strong cold Southerly blows his supporters into the harbour.
    Jackson should move to Hollywood as a Key lobbyist and never return to our shores.

    ross69:

    So if Labour spends billions on building new houses, it’s not actually taking any money from you. You must be in favour of Labour’s housing policy…

    Dean Papa:

    lol, poor DPF, what an obsessive little tubby man he is, still working himself up into a lather other this. But I’m struggling to see how these three MPs are hypocrites.

    On a brighter note, Rightnow made a valid observation in relation to ross69 (10.29pm 27 Nov): You are so fucking stupid I have to believe you must actually be a Labour MP.

    Have to agree with Rightnow… surely these morons (Hamfisted / Dean Papa / ross69) cannot really be that thick. Surely not? It must be an act. Oh shit… It isn’t???

    The poor buggers. 8O

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  70. mikenmild (11,798 comments) says:

    Maybe they just got upset with the usual string of lies DPF repeats on this topic.

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  71. RF (1,456 comments) says:

    Picture this.. The old Tusker King and Ham the Hobbit Hater walking hand and hand down the red carpet today. Bring your own rotten fruit.

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  72. Elaycee (4,410 comments) says:

    milkmilo:

    Maybe they just got upset with the usual string of lies DPF repeats on this topic.

    Best you list these lies that DPF apparently tells, then. And leave out the usual leftist crap that is recited by the Helen Kellys and wannabe actors of this world – stick to facts you can support. After all, that’s what DPF has done! :D

    But please respond during your breaks – we need to try and lift productivity in the public sector. 8O

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