The Panel

November 14th, 2012 at 4:00 pm by David Farrar

I enjoy being a regular guest on Radio NZ’s Panel with and initially was surprised at how many people would mention they hear me on it. Some taxi drivers even recognise me just from my voice. So I’ve always figured it must rate fairly well.

Just been told that The Panel is not only the number one rated talk hour in New Zealand (and has been for some time), it is the number one rated show on all radio for the 4 pm to 5 pm slot. It now ranks ahead of all the music stations.

I understand the latest survey has it with 162,000 listeners on an average weekday. That is pretty massive.

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52 Responses to “The Panel”

  1. Graeme Edgeler (3,290 comments) says:

    Can’t be true. The Kiwiblog comments thread tells me that no-one bothers with state radio.

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  2. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    I wake every morning to red radio. I catch the panel when I can. It is certainly left leaning, but at least the stories and shows have some depth. The Panel usually has a variety of views and that keeps it interesting.

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  3. David Garrett (7,541 comments) says:

    Graeme: I am another one…at least Morning Report. I am on record as saying that the fairest shake I got in my short political career was from so-called Red Radio. Particularly the female journos. Kind of ironic when you think about it…

    But that firkin Mary Wilson…God knows why they allow that shrew to remain on the air.

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  4. boredboy (250 comments) says:

    Haha I love listening to Mary Wilson. She’s a bit of a witch.

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  5. David Garrett (7,541 comments) says:

    Bored: And that’s just the point…you end up listening to HER talking over the people she is “interviewing”. And it’s not just the interviewees who are obfuscating.

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  6. noskire (842 comments) says:

    Slightly OT, but I’m picking Paul Henry to take up Michael Laws’ spot on RadioLive.

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  7. BeaB (2,145 comments) says:

    I like Mary Wilson’s querulous doggedness. I usually like the Panel except when it’s all men and they feel compelled to discuss women’s issues (like the Right in the USA) but I can’t stand the Irish plagiarist, Noelle McCarthy, who seems to have popped up back here again like a bad penny.

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  8. Prince (109 comments) says:

    BeaB – I agree. Similarly I hate when it’s all women and they discuss men’s issues like politics, money and business.

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  9. Redbaiter (9,588 comments) says:

    If it is so popular why the hell does the government have to force non-listeners to fund it??

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  10. gump (1,661 comments) says:

    I’m not surprised DPF gets recognised – he has a very distinctive voice.

    I quite like listening to Rodney Hide’s spot in the evenings.

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  11. bringbackdemocracy (428 comments) says:

    Noskire it’s already been announced that the “blimp” from Wellington (Plonkitt) is replacing Laws.

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  12. gump (1,661 comments) says:

    @Redbaiter

    It’s popular *because* the Government funds it.

    Commercial radio doesn’t generate enough money to cover the cost of producing high quality programmes.

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  13. Redbaiter (9,588 comments) says:

    “It’s popular *because* the Government funds it.”

    Are you retarded?

    The government does not fund it.

    It takes money from taxpayers who would probably rather spend the money elsewhere, and uses that money to pay the costs involved in running what is basically just another radio station.

    There is no moral case for this action at all.

    If you support such a process, you support theft.

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  14. noskire (842 comments) says:

    bringbackdemocracy (67) Says:
    November 14th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
    Noskire it’s already been announced that the “blimp” from Wellington (Plonkitt) is replacing Laws.

    OK.

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  15. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    That will explain why is now so messy live on internet. It just crashes after a few minutes – thats if you can actually get it going. Concert and international work well – but national just seems to freeze up.

    They have gotten rid of some of their more stupid panelists such as that moron Te Radar who may have had some good ideas (I doubt it) but he always got his mouth in gear before his brain was activated.

    Theyre mostly OK now – although there a couple of women with (very) strange ideas (the one from Dunedin seems rather weird and theres another one who has the most annoying laugh – more like a guffow – which on radio isnt that ideal) and there are a couple of men who seem to suffer from the “I dont know and cant make up my mind” syndrome.

    I do like those who have a definite view (even if I dont agree with it) and state their views without apologising and give the reasons why. Its that sort of contribution which make progress.

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  16. nasska (11,797 comments) says:

    Public radio broadcasting in NZ dates back to 1925. I’ll accept that there was probably good reason for the government to be involved ninety years ago in that although private stations would have serviced the main centres they would have never attracted the investment required to broadcast to rural NZ.

    State owned radio was then one of the few conduits for weather, news & even education.

    Those days have well gone & although there may be the odd grain of wheat in the chaff the whole stinking mess of Red Radio & TVNZ is little more than an outlet for left leaning propaganda. As such the taxpayer should not be paying for his/her own indoctrination into socialism.

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  17. barry (1,317 comments) says:

    Gump – if you like Hide – then he regularly on Radio live from 12 to 3pm.

    Radio live has some of the best people on it. Yes Jackson is an insane racist and laws is similar (but I agree with him). Tamahere brings a bit of sense to the afternoon show.
    Hide has been running quite afew afternoons recently. Hes good

    Tamahere and Jackson have a political hour each thursday i think. Usually McCarten and someone from the right.
    they had Key on for an hour then other day – and it dragged out much more info than you get from the siren (Wilson) at 5 on national ( she must hate all of humanity. I bet she pulled legs off frogs when she was young – actually she probably still does it now……and when theyre alive…)

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  18. gump (1,661 comments) says:

    Thanks Barry – I didn’t know Rodney was on Radio Live. I’ll look out for it.

    @Redbaiter

    Your ideology has made you stupid. Taxation isn’t theft – it’s the price we pay to lift ourselves from barbarism. I’m proud of the millions of dollars that my family’s businesses have paid in taxes over the last few years.

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  19. Redbaiter (9,588 comments) says:

    “Taxation isn’t theft – it’s the price we pay to lift ourselves from barbarism.”

    Well I don’t know about you of course but I am quite capable of being a civilised person without needing to rely on government one small bit. Apart from their defence of the realm, and looking after a few records, government has very few real duties.

    You say it distances us from barbarism, but I see it completely the opposite. It is government and the amoral manner in which it acts that retards our escape from barbarism, and your immorality in electing corrupt politicians who will legislate to steal from me to fund your entertainment is a good example of that.

    “I’m proud of the millions of dollars that my family’s businesses have paid in taxes over the last few years.”

    Like all socialists your maths are appalling. Your company did not pay the tax. The people who bought your product did.

    Company tax is just another clueless socialist farce.

    A poll tax is really the only fully equitable and real tax.

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  20. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Your company did not pay the tax. The people who bought your product did.

    This is one very big point that people miss when they are attracted to the idea of taxing “BIG BUSINESS”.

    A business passes its costs onto the consumer. The consumer is you dear reader.

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  21. mikenmild (11,711 comments) says:

    Radio NZ is one of the great things that we have joined together as a nation to pay for. It is in the same category as Te Papa, the NZSO, public libraries, the conservation estate and extravagant military commemorations. Quite simply essential.

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  22. Kea (13,359 comments) says:

    Yes Radio NZ is in the same category as Te Papa. A social engineering tax payer funded indulgence of the left, that promotes a false construction of past events.

    The “joining together part” is something you made up without evidence.

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  23. Redbaiter (9,588 comments) says:

    Thank you for that fact free assertion Mikenmild.

    I will counter that opinion with my own, which is that Radio NZ is vapid communist horse shit and an insult to anyone with a modicum of intelligence.

    But that of course is not the argument. Private Radio stations can be that and nobody will care.

    The issue is that ill mannered uncivilized oafs like you (and others of your ilk) are forcing me to pay for an institution I despise and that has no business being funded by the taxpayer.

    No gentleman would want to participate in such rank unrefined humbug.

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  24. orewa1 (410 comments) says:

    Thank God for National Radio. It is the last bastion of quality journalism in this country. Every show – Morning Report, Kathryn Ryan, et al is high quality.

    I don’t subscribe to the theory that it is partisan.

    Hers a thought. Lets sell off the embarrassingly lightweight TVNZ and use the money saved to strengthen RNZ even further.

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  25. MT_Tinman (3,257 comments) says:

    Of course taxation is bloody theft!

    It is removing individual’s hard earned property by force – how is that not theft?

    It is, unfortunately, legal theft.

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  26. duggledog (1,587 comments) says:

    DPF – have you checked out the Research International website, and their bi-annual survey results for radio.

    You’ll see that the total surveyed does not include RNZ listeners and usually that’s a substantial amount. Obviously public broadcasters don’t need to use the survey as they are not using ‘the book’ to convince advertisers. I bet they show it to the Minister though!

    I’ve been listening to the Panel for years now; it’s timed well to lead in to Checkpoint and is nimble enough to spend time where it’s needed and stray off the reservation too. I love it. To me Jim is untouchable as the host – funny, a true gentleman, plays devil’s advocate, gets to the pips every time (hard to do) and I have absolutely no idea who he would vote for. None at all.

    My only criticism of the Panel is that yes, most of the guests are of one political persuasion only. If you listen long enough (as I have, every day) you tick them off one by one – ‘Now I’m no supporter of John Key but…’, ‘that’s the sort of thing you’d expect from this type of administration’ etc.

    Nonetheless, it’s still very informative AND entertaining. Which is what radio is meant to be.

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  27. David Garrett (7,541 comments) says:

    I actually tend towards Orewa’s view on this one (yes Red, I am a cry baby who quit and ran away blah blah blah….)

    Although the shrill Mary Wilson certainly tests my tolerance …

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  28. slijmbal (1,236 comments) says:

    It has no bloody ads. I’m a true ad hater and will turn over TV if watching live or change radio station to avoid.

    It’s remarkably partisan but publicly funded broadcasting has a history of left leaning around the world as popularism leads to general support in case their funds are risk is my personal theory.

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  29. David Garrett (7,541 comments) says:

    Slijmbal: (God, where do they get these pseuds…) funnily enough, as I have said here before, I always got a very fair shake fronm RNZ..particularly the female journos. which is quite amusing since I am supposed to be a sexist neanderthal..

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  30. mikenmild (11,711 comments) says:

    Ditto. Orewa is right on this one. TVNZ is a total loss. Radio NZ and Maori TV are the only things anything like public broadcasters.

    I’d subscribe if necessary on a similar basis to part funding my enjoyment of other cultural institutions. Meanwhile, I’m happy to pay my share of those institutions along with a range of other things I shall never use but recognise as public goods.

    If anyone really wants to live in a right-libertarian society (I suspect there are small numbers) that has voluntary taxes or only pays for some arbitrarily determined set of ‘limited’ government functions then they should rant and rave on the blogosphere until they convince enough followers to make that a reality. Or move to one of the successful right-libertarian polities that already exist.

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  31. Redbaiter (9,588 comments) says:

    So all those who “like” Radio NZ and consider this to be sufficient reason to force other NZers to pay for it, would be happy to have a tick box on the annual taxation return signifying whether each earner is happy to contribute $200 or whatever it is to RNZ each year, or not, as they choose?

    I mean that would be the civilized and considerate and decent way to deal with the problem wouldn’t it?

    Rather than compulsion by means of the tyranny of the masses/ majority.

    (which majority I am yet to be convinced would exist)

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  32. slijmbal (1,236 comments) says:

    @Garrett

    So we need to base our opinions on your perceived treatment over a handful of hours rather than the thousands of hours of broadcasting.

    Who said politics is for egotists? Obviously got that wrong.

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  33. Left Right and Centre (2,997 comments) says:

    Geez… rating higher than the music stations. Impressive stuff.

    Is that per chance because no-one listens to fucking music stations anymore (except fucktards like me) with all the modern technology to listen to your own music selection?

    The shit for brains airhead sounding semi-literate babysitter radio DJs are the worst:

    *g’day, it’s moron here…. what’s the goss today? blah blah blah wow… over the top fake happy person patter blah blah blah join the conversation blah blah blah we’re giving away bullshit blah blah blah touring this month are these tossers blah blah blah yesterday my flatmate went out on a date with a girl who farts the national anthem but she’s really hot what should he do blah blah blah* SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP YOU CUNT SOUNDING FUCKWITS!!!!!

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  34. mikenmild (11,711 comments) says:

    LR&C
    LOL.

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  35. Redbaiter (9,588 comments) says:

    I download and listen to Mark Levin, almost the only broadcaster worth listening to.

    I would never lower my standards to the extent where I would listen to extreme left state employees pretending to be radio personalities on a station forcibly financed by people who despise them and would never listen to them.

    Anyone who would willingly participate in such an unprincipled farce would have to be possessed of an extremely low moral threshold and therefore would not be someone I would need to listen to.

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  36. David Garrett (7,541 comments) says:

    You’re a hard man Red…tell me, what was your record for uncased open hole?

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  37. mikenmild (11,711 comments) says:

    Good night all, time for this career public servant to hop in bed with a hottie and a drink to listen to Late Edition.

    PS. I hope I don’t dream about Redbaiter’s ‘uncased open hole’.

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  38. Yoza (1,906 comments) says:

    Its difficult to understand how an organisation like Radio New Zealand could be defined as ‘left leaning’ when considering its governing board which includes its chaiman Richard Griffin (National party shill, former press secretary for Jim Bolger), Paul East (former National MP) and a handful of corporate drones from the PR and private radio sphere – little wonder the only person banned from reappearing on ‘The Panel’ is Martin ‘Bomber’ Bradbury after a fairly tepid criticism of John Key.

    Radio New Zealand exists to reinforce establishment dogma by defining what the ruling elite considers the acceptable limits of political dissent. An example of these limits are best illustrated by the ‘Politics’ program after the 11 o’clock news on Mondays – from the right Matthew Hooton (fair enough) and from the left Josie Pagani. The only thing ‘left’ about Josie Pagani is the fact she is not Matthew Hooton.

    I always listen to RNZ with The Panel being a daily highlight, but calling it left leaning just plane delusional.

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  39. hane (69 comments) says:

    Radio New Zealand’s budget in 2010 was $34 million. That means we’re paying about 8 bucks a year each for it not “$200 or whatever” Bedwetter you clueless numpty.

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  40. Redbaiter (9,588 comments) says:

    “Bedwetter you clueless numpty.”

    I admit I was only guessing at the budget, but at least I’m smart enough to know that there are not 4 million taxpayers in NZ you pathetic dumbarse. In fact if you used the figure that represents real taxpayers, ie the comparitively few working in the productive sector, then it would only be about 1/8th of that 4 million, meaning the true figure per real taxpayer (if you’re correct on the budget) is about $65.

    But the cost is immaterial. It is the thought behind the action that is wrong, and its one that because you commies are such amoral scum, you extend right across the board into so many facets of our lives, and that thought is that if you want access to our wallets you merely elect the kind of cowardly left wing politicians who have absolutely no scruples in robbing Peter (me) to pay Paul (you), and they will in return for your vote, willingly enact the necessary legislation to enable this theft.

    Such an abominable corruption of democracy and government.

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  41. big bruv (14,148 comments) says:

    So according to our resident fascist Bedwetter any of us who like RNZ are nothing more than weds under the bed.

    I happen to enjoy RNZ, I do not agree with most of the hosts who are all left wing but like longknives I appreciate that they are adults and not the mindless fuckwits you hear on music radio.

    What I do object to is paying for RNZ.

    The obvious solution is to sell RNZ and have the new owners compete in the private sector for advertising dollars, if the figures quoted for Jim Mora’s show are true then RNZ could make a bloody fortune if they sold advertising.

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  42. Sonny Blount (1,794 comments) says:

    Well all you cultured RNZ fans would have no problem paying $50 each per year to keep the thing going?

    Or would you rather bludge off all the other working NZers who manage to be decent human beings without RNZ telling them how?

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  43. mikenmild (11,711 comments) says:

    Sell TVNZ (if anyone would buy it), recapitalise RadioNZ and make it compete for ongoing funding through NZ On Air or the Ministry for Culture and Heritage. If RNZ can’t make ends meet through that process, it should look for sponsorships or other revenue sources.
    NZSO is a good mix of limited public funding, sponsorship and commercial revenue.
    I’d chip in $50 per year if I could save the equivalent in the undoubtedly vast cost of state-subsidised psychotropic medicine for the likes of Redbaiter.

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  44. nasska (11,797 comments) says:

    mikenmild

    ….”the undoubtedly vast cost of state-subsidised psychotropic medicine for the likes of Redbaiter.”…..

    Where would we be without Pharmac? :)

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  45. Sonny Blount (1,794 comments) says:

    Personally I find the idea of RNZ being informative or cultured laughable. If you have any curiosity about a subject then RNZ is almost certainly going to be a joke source for it.

    I like the free weekly Econtalk with Russ Roberts http://www.econtalk.org/

    I also pay $4 per month for LawTalk with Richard Epstein and John Yoo http://ricochet.com/podcasts/law-talk and I get 2 or 3 other podcasts a week there

    As Red says above Mark Levin is free every day and a lot of fun http://www.marklevinshow.com/sectional.asp?id=32930

    And for story time this is far better than the crap on RNZ http://www.audible.com/

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  46. Sonny Blount (1,794 comments) says:

    So 160,000 listeners means that 9/10 taxpayers pay for the entertainment choice of the other 1/10.

    That’s called theft and cronyism.

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  47. bhudson (4,740 comments) says:

    Radio New Zealand exists to reinforce establishment dogma by defining what the ruling elite considers the acceptable limits of political dissent.

    Interpretation: Because they do not preach the works of Karl Marx they are the puppet of the the ruling class, continuing to brainwash the proletariat, preventing them from rising up against their oppressors and seizing the power that is rightfully theirs.

    Yoza, the reason communism failed is that Marx was wrong.

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  48. David Garrett (7,541 comments) says:

    bhudson: Yoza is apparently a middle aged man…imagine getting to past 40, with everything that has happened in the world since communism collapsed in the 90’s, and STILL believing bullshit everyone else has seen through? Sad really..

    I wonder if he thinks that the second biggest economy in the world – growing at 10% a year or something – is still actually run as a “communist country”?

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  49. Jinky (188 comments) says:

    DG it’s still controlled by the communist party and their ruling body just rubber stamped the appointment of a new president so I’m not sure which political party you believe is in control of the People’s Republic of China?

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  50. Yoza (1,906 comments) says:

    “bhudson: Yoza is apparently a middle aged man…imagine getting to past 40, with everything that has happened in the world since communism collapsed…

    I tend to tilt toward Libertarian Socialism making me more of a Bakuninist than a Marxist. Still, carry on building those strawmen, they’re easy targets and provide an adequate level of challenge for you two.

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  51. Pentagrid (4 comments) says:

    @ Redbaiter, another way of saying what you’re saying is that RNZ should only do unpopular programs? Weird.

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  52. expat (4,050 comments) says:

    I wonder what the demographic profile of listeners is for weekdays @4pm? When I catch the tail end of the show occasionally it makes me think of retired folk drinking tea in kitchen enjoying the weak afternoon winter sun and yes weak afternoon winter sun is a description of most of the discussion on the show as well (mine host excepted natch).

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